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smallrinilady
04-10-2007, 07:16 PM
so i'm thinking up a new design for a cosplay

i was thinking of doing etna from disgaea

i know she's already dressed up skimpy enough as it is
but i was thinking i could add things to make her look even more sexy

but i was wondering would people critize becuase it isn't authentic?
or is sex appeal just that popular?



anyways, so i was wondering people's opinion
do you rather see a costume that was purely AUTHENTIC?
or do you like a changed up more sexified costume?




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HA HA HA, ok ok i get the point
for those who were wondering how to make it any more sexy
the reason why is becuase i'm making this costume out of vinyl
and since it doesn't stretch, i wanted a way to be able to put the costume on without having to struggle into it
instead I was thinking about putting on some lace up extentions
sp i can tie it up on the side for both the top and bottom piece, instead of trying to have to climb into the skirt, or try to fit the top piece over my head and over my shoulders.

it started off as a convinent factor
just the lace up idea also presents a ever more provocative look which gave me other ideas


question: would your opinion change if it wasn't etna? I saw a rei and askua duo that made a really sexfied outfit, and it got a lot of hits

penny_dreadful
04-10-2007, 08:14 PM
I don't mind variations in a costume-- heck, in a costume that's been done a million times, unique touches can be refreshing-- but in this case I would not advise trying to make it "sexier". Why bother if it's already skimpy? It'd just make you appear to be trying too hard.

My personal feeling is that altering costumes with sex appeal in mind is better left to exotic dancers. If you have your own pole at the club, fine, but don't bother at cons. Not like there won't be enough people paying attention to you as it is.

--PD

allthatsgeek
04-10-2007, 08:22 PM
I'm just gonna stay out of this one, seen this argument go down a few too many times to get involved tonight.

Angathol
04-10-2007, 08:22 PM
Etna's costume is skimpy enough as it is, so why change it, really? It will just look like a cry for attention, IMO. Fellow cosplayers generally appreciate an accurate recreation of an existing design more than a sexed-up version of the same design.

Rat-Face
04-10-2007, 08:25 PM
No sexy Etna. That's part of her character anyhow.

Scoti
04-10-2007, 08:30 PM
Who's otufit is 100% "purely AUTHENTIC"? everyone uses different types of fabric and different shades of colours so I wouldn't worry about that aspect. Cosplay is another extention of creativity so I don't believe that everything has to be 100% accurate anyway.

Generally I don't like "sexified" outfits because some people tend to take their new design WAY too far. there is a fine line between sexy and trashy and in this case less is not more.

Moon_Fish
04-10-2007, 08:30 PM
How could you even make her outfit even more sexy or skimpy than it is now?...It's already only two black strips of fabric covering her.

KittyCanuck
04-10-2007, 08:39 PM
but i was wondering would people critize becuase it isn't authentic?
or is sex appeal just that popular?


Quite the opposite. "Sexing up" characters is not really popular, outside people who themselves do SnJ, and many people see it as just a demand/cry for attention. It never improves the original costume.

Especially for one that's already so skimpy. Why go out of your way to change it?
People won't care if it's not 100% "authentic down to the last stitch" , but they probably will care (and not in the good way) if you "sex up" an already skimpy character for no reason at all.
If you make the original costume, and do a good job, more people will respect your effort than if you made it slutty for no reason. ^_^

FeelLikeRain
04-10-2007, 08:59 PM
*predicts thread-gone-ness in ... not long from now -- ah well*

I'll just go ahead and say that I'd MUCH rather see a kickass, accurate costume that's made as true to the original character design as possible, than ten 'concept'/'altered'/etc. costumes of that same character. Some people do a good job on altering a character design to put an 'original' spin on it ... but they're in the minority, it seems. Most people just make some incredibly unoriginal 'original' version of [insert character here]. And most of the time, my eyes just skip right over said cosplayers. :/ I'd have to agree that you may well come off as desperate for attention if you're looking to 'sex up' a character, especially one whose outfit is skimpy as it is.

Brittany Bunny
04-10-2007, 09:10 PM
*shrug*

Do what you want; nobody else will be wearing it. If you have the body for it then go for it.

As for "looking desperate for attention", all cosplayers are desperate for attention, hence why they make overly sparkly Amano costumes and post pictures of themselves on the internet.

SecretSoliloquy
04-10-2007, 09:23 PM
If you have the body for it then go for it.

I hate that phrase. I do happen to have quite a nice physique, but that doesn't make me want to show it off any more than is necessary to stay cool in the summertime. I don't think anyone 'has the body' for some of the clothing and costumes I see around. Whether you are in shape or not, the human body is not, to me, one of God's more beautiful creations. The costumes I gravitate towards reflect that.

Cadmium Polyphony
04-10-2007, 09:28 PM
Do what you want; nobody else will be wearing it. If you have the body for it then go for it.

Take that logic and transfer it to a gun-toting NRA skinhead;

"You've got the weapons; may as well use them."

Your logic is flawed.

ChaosButterfly
04-10-2007, 09:31 PM
I would actually say accuracy (particularly with already skimpy costumes) is best. "Sexifying it up" can make you come off as an attention-whore at best, a con-skank at worst. At least most of the costumes that are skimpy are remotely tasteful/cute when done right.

Kesra
04-10-2007, 09:35 PM
I think a sexified version of an already skimpy costume would be right along the lines of trashy. If you can find a way to keep it sexy but not as skimpy...then power to you! But otherwise it isn't likely to turn out right.

Bahzi
04-10-2007, 09:46 PM
I don't see why there's any need to make that costume any skimpier than it already is. I don't like any kind of modifying on costume designs unless it's done to make the costume more flattering on someone, like if you're bigger and need to make a skirt longer or something, but I especially think "sexifying" a character is a really bad idea.

Queen Anime 99
04-10-2007, 09:53 PM
Could you put a third choice, "either"? Because I wouldn't mind taking a picture of an authentic or sexed-up version. I saw a beautiful SNJ Kakashi. And even though it was sexy, it was very nice and creative (It was an SNJ that I could actually see Kakashi wearing).

DivineSage
04-10-2007, 10:27 PM
...Are you kidding? Etna's costume is hardly a costume as it is, what could you do to make it sexier? Walk around naked?

I honestly don't think this costume needs much "sexifying", just make it accurate and there you go.

will [ishida]
04-10-2007, 10:30 PM
This thread is the funniest thing on the internet.

Cadmium Polyphony
04-10-2007, 10:52 PM
You know, making a costume sexier can actually be more than just taking more of the costume away.

The concept of sexuality is often based on the individual perception, and the enticing aspect of that, is what the person perceiving the object or person in question, cant see.

So sometimes, adding more clothing, in just the right spots, with just the right fit, might make a costume sexier.

tfcreate
04-10-2007, 11:03 PM
Isn't the charater Etna supposed to be.... like 12? @@;
Not really appropriate.....
TFC

Sorahana
04-10-2007, 11:09 PM
Yea, I don't think "sexifying" it anymore is a good idea. Everyone else pretty much summed it up. Etna's outfit is already skimpy, I don't know how her outfit could get any skimpier.

Jen-neko
04-10-2007, 11:12 PM
I'm kinda with the other people as far as, "WTF? How can you even make it any 'sexier'?" There's, like, hardly any material there to begin with. I mean, the only method I can think of involves sheer fabric, but I can just see con security escorting you off the premises... >_>;;

Also, I think there's a difference between SnJ and "sexifying" something. To me, SnJ is more along the lines of something like 'femme Vash' than anything. All it is is a female version of a normally male character, ne? Yes, it can be tasteful, or blatantly "OMG, lookit mah boobies!", but the point remains that it's essentially a 'femme' version.

So, yeah. Authentic is better, IMO. If you're willing to put the effort into something to make it look as close to the real thing as possible, it really shows, and people will respect you more for it.

Cadmium Polyphony
04-10-2007, 11:15 PM
So, yeah. Authentic is better, IMO. If you're willing to put the effort into something to make it look as close to the real thing as possible, it really shows, and people will respect you more for it.

Well, dont go nuts.

People will no doubt like the costume, but not give a flying fook about the person themself.

Jen-neko
04-10-2007, 11:17 PM
Well, whatever. I would personally respect someone more for doing a good job accuracy-wise than just throwing something together all willy-nilly.

The fact remains, however, that less is NOT more in this case.

Danzikumaru
04-11-2007, 01:34 AM
You know, making a costume sexier can actually be more than just taking more of the costume away.

The concept of sexuality is often based on the individual perception, and the enticing aspect of that, is what the person perceiving the object or person in question, cant see.

So sometimes, adding more clothing, in just the right spots, with just the right fit, might make a costume sexier.

You don't even need to change the costume.

Poses, facial expression, and body language in general can go MUCH further to change the sex appeal of a character than the clothing they wear. A person can be completely nude and not be sexy at all if they are using their body language to convey a different thought or feeling.

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Miyabi-
04-11-2007, 01:50 AM
What do you mean by "sexy" touches in changing Etna's costume? That thing is already skimpy..what more do you need woman? ^_^

Now, if we're talking touches like say...making the costume out of something like shiny vinyl instead of matte vinyl or making something sparkly...those can be nice touches that can make the costume more sexy but still sticking to the original design.

If you're thinking of making some plunging cleavage or shortening that hemline then you've crossed the line from "sexy" to "zomg-i-want-attention" IMO. And I know you probably didn't intend to, but the way the poll question itself was worded suggests that you're only in it for the attention you'd get by doing something based on sex appeal.

To answer the question though...I almost never take pictures of skimpy "original" costumes. As stated before, I think they're usually a cry for attention and I refuse to give it. :-P

Patastrophic
04-11-2007, 01:57 AM
The only way you could "sexy up" Etna's costume is to make it a black-and-white thong and dental floss bikini, and I believe you would be asked to change into more appropriate attire.

CreativeGuy
04-11-2007, 02:05 AM
Keep it authentic. Get recognition for your skills, not for wearing something more skimpy than the real deal. Thats the first thing people will notice.

Sure everyone that cosplay's does it for some sort of attention. If you dress in a costume thats out of the ordinary and you're going to conventions but want to hide your costume, well, thats a little bit wacky. Theres at least a minimum amount of attention received when in costume whether you like it or not.

With that said, making a skimpy costume is on a bit of a different level than just making a costume 'right'.

Making a skimpy costume is a way to get attention on it being skimpy and you showing more skin, rather than keeping it true to the character.

I'll just be blunt and blunt not to offend, but to help since you asked..

Making a even more skimpy version of this
http://www.rpgfan.com/fanart/2003/12-27/neiera-04.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/Disgaea_Etna.png
http://img.gkblogger.com/blog/imgdb/000/000/016/471_2.jpg
http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/300W/i/2003/42/6/9/fanartDisgaea___Etna_002.jpg

is going to raise a lot of 'attention whoring' flags.

Wow. Really... how much more skin do you need to show?

I will say this, it is cool that you thought enough about it to at least get some other opinions on it, even if you choose to do it or not.

Karisu-sama
04-11-2007, 04:45 AM
Whose attention do you want to attract? Your audience will vary.

There are loads and loads of people who are impressed by accuracy, but there are still quite a number of people (usually guys) who like to see "sexiness" in a girl's costume, hang the accuracy. And, as some people have noted, no matter how accurate a skimpy costume may be, some people will think the choice of skimpiness is definitely a bid for "a certain kind" of attention (never mind what they think of the motives of the artist who designed the character in the first place.)

Hey people, smallrinilady said "ADD" to the costume, so perhaps she is NOT thinking of making it any skimpier. Aside from adding attitude... high heels? (Yes, I know that's a major cliche...)

I might note otherwise, though, that if one is as young as that character is drawn to appear, IMO it is inappropriate to be wearing that little in public at a con; it's a "pedo-magnet".

Miyabi-
04-11-2007, 06:01 AM
Other "sexy" touches could be things such as make-up.
Etna's a demon right? Why not give her "firey" eye make-up? Or wear a gold toned shimmer lotion? Or maybe some red glitter in her hair? or red sparkly nails with rhinestones? ^_^
Those are things that could give the outfit a little "oompf" without sacrificing the original design or making people think you're wanting the wrong kind of attention.

ChaosButterfly
04-11-2007, 11:10 AM
Other "sexy" touches could be things such as make-up.
Etna's a demon right? Why not give her "firey" eye make-up? Or wear a gold toned shimmer lotion? Or maybe some red glitter in her hair? or red sparkly nails with rhinestones? ^_^
Those are things that could give the outfit a little "oompf" without sacrificing the original design or making people think you're wanting the wrong kind of attention.

True! And considering she calls herself "Beauty Queen Etna," I can actually see those kinds of additions.

The adding of anything like curves though would detract from the character as she's like a 5,000 year-old demon, I doubt she's growing anymore, and there are major shots taken at the fact that she is flat.

Envel
04-11-2007, 01:25 PM
I personally have to disagree with making Etna "sexier".

I know that she wears a skimpy outfit, but she has the body of a 13-year-old.

However, it also depends on which Etna you're talking about. If you're doing the Disgaea 1 Etna, then no, I would completely disagree, but if you're doing the Disgaea 2 Etna, then I could understand your dilemma. Etna's Disgaea 2 design is MUCH sexier/skankier (I don't mean this in a bad way, please don't take it as such) than her first outfit, so if you wanted to sexify that, then I think that would be a much better idea.

I personally would like to see more "accurate" Etnas. I've seen a ton of Etnas, and I have yet to see one that her entire ensemble impressed me. If you're willing to take the time to make the wig, then to me, that would be MUCH more impressive than changing the design at all.

Gothic_Catboy
04-11-2007, 04:01 PM
Go with Authenticity.

People haven't learned their lesson with all the Sexy no whatthe**** clones of all the Naruto characters you see wandering the cons with no clothes (or shreads of decency) left.

If you want to impress, go authentic. Otherwise, it's almost conwhoredom.