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CattieBrie
04-29-2003, 07:29 AM
What is J-rock/J-pop? I'd never heard of it until I joined this board and I keep seeing all of these posts about it and I've become curious.

Koumori
04-29-2003, 08:51 AM
Japanese rock and pop music. Often when people talk about "J-rock" they'll be referring more specifically to the so-called visual kei bands, for whom style is equally or more important than substance (Dir en Grey, Malice Mizer, etc.) and are thus of more interest to cosplayers.

alt_shorty
04-29-2003, 03:11 PM
HEY! dir en grey and malice mizer's substance goes waaaaaaaaaay beyond there style!!!

XLainoftheWired
04-29-2003, 03:18 PM
::snicker::





...the candy bar

Yui
04-29-2003, 05:02 PM
Yes, please do not start a arguement..."equally" was a key word - is was not meant to be insulting, I don't think.

Basically, the visual kei aspect implies that there is a specific, passionate connection between themes in the musical style, lyrics and imagery. All portions of such are blended and inseparable, and the VK bands -do- appeal more to cosplayers as there exists a greater possibility of interaction - especially for non-Japanese-speaking people. The other interesting note of VK bands is that they adopt a particular persona that they carry throughout their careers; they aren't just talented musicians, they have made themselves into a character for their continuing story-telling.

Um, I'm sure you've experienced Japanese music on some level, somehow already. If you're ever interested in anything specific, don't be afraid just to ask. ^_-

soshi
04-29-2003, 05:45 PM
the term jrock does *not* cater to visual kei bands. the term jrock is very, very simple. the "J" is for "Japanese" and the "rock" is for "rock music". I am not sure how the term came to be. American/European rock music and Japanese rock music are the same except for what language the bands speak.

Yui
04-29-2003, 07:04 PM
Wow, that's the first I've heard American and European rock clumped together. I think all three places have an evident difference in focus that affects most of the music - some people can tap into the energy of all three, while other people prefer an origin area over the other. It's like a mystical aspect that can't be too scientifically quanified. I mean, I say I like Japanese over English because I don't like to be distracted by the words or whatever, but it's more than that, because I think deeper down, I don't care if I can understand the lyrics or not. There's a lot of English sneaking into Japanese rock, afterall, and it doesn't bother me. But then there's the other side like Oblivion Dust - where even in the few songs that are in Japanese, it just doesn't feel like j-rock to me. So things like that lead me to believe that more a sense of place, a strong cultural connection (even when mimicing other cultures) is most important to music.

& there's a mag called J-Rock...I'm guessing they came up with the term? I kinda thought it existed before them, tho.

Oh, but soshi's right to clarify (always trying to steer us back on track there with confusing tangent tactics. ^_-) I wasn't trying to lump all j-rock under VK, as many of them are not; I was just expanding on Koumori's comment as to what VK is. This was almost too broad to cover...I was just taking care of the aspect I was most qualified to speak of. And then there's j-pop, which I don't mind, but am not really qualified to comment much on myself.

soshi
04-29-2003, 07:50 PM
I don't think there's a distinct tune to rock music from different places. yeah, Asian bands have a higher tendancy to put traditional Asian music somewhere in a song or two... but I mean, you could play a hide or Dir en grey song on the radio here, and no one would tell the difference. I know, I've tried it. ^^; only a few people noticed the language difference - you'd be amazed how few people actually listen to the lyrics in songs.

I lumped American and European rock together because most of the English speaking rock music I listen to is from Britain. heh.

Koumori
04-29-2003, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by soshi
the term jrock does *not* cater to visual kei bands. the term jrock is very, very simple. the "J" is for "Japanese" and the "rock" is for "rock music". I am not sure how the term came to be. American/European rock music and Japanese rock music are the same except for what language the bands speak.

Sorry - I thought by saying that "often" people are referring to visual kei bands I was making it clear that I didn't mean all j-rock is VK; of course I'm well aware that it's not. But that's how it often comes up in a cosplay context. It's an insanely broad topic, so I was trying to answer the question in the simplest terms I could; apologies if I caused any hard feelings.

soshi
04-29-2003, 11:27 PM
no, you didn't. *shrug* it's just.. I don't think many people understand that jrock is just a silly name and that it's all rock music. I'd rather see people not using the term jrock at all, and just say visual kei when it comes to cosplay.