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nyamiko_chan
04-29-2003, 11:38 AM
I have heard that some are labeld as gay/lesbian/Bi..etc??

is it true? I'm writing a paper for english dealing with GLBT rights and would like to state this somewhere in there if it's true ^^

Get the knowledge out there *silly dance*

so any help would be VERY appreciated!!

khamryn
04-29-2003, 12:55 PM
Its true.. in 'normal' society crossdressers are usually looked at that way and get labelled as such.

Good luck on your paper. ^_^

Menchi
04-29-2003, 02:23 PM
have been asked many times by a guy i know if i am gay, one time he waited till i was drunk to ask me. but yes its true ppl label ppl who dress as the opposite sex. the fact being lik 80-90% or some percentage of ppl who cross dress are straight. there are always the ts/tg ppl but they are rther uncommon percentage wise

nyamiko_chan
04-29-2003, 02:25 PM
thanks so much guys!! XD i gotta research more

Karisu-sama
04-29-2003, 03:53 PM
Nobody asks me, LOL... (Well, I'm usually crossplaying with my husband and kids in tow...)

Chas
04-29-2003, 05:46 PM
Blah, I deal with this a lot. Because I'm a girl, but almost all of my costumes are crossplay, people tend to think that I'm a lesbian. (They don't even have the decency to ask, they just assume! That's so much worse in my opinion.) So yeah, it pisses me off a lot. I mean, is there some sort of rule to where I HAVE to be gay if I wanna dress up like my favorite characters, who just so happen to be male? I think not. I think I can manage being a crossplayer and being straight at the same time, thankyouverymuch. Argh.

Not that I've got any problems with people who are homosexual, just for the record. I have plenty of friends, crossplayers and not-crossplayers who are gay. S'just not for me. ^^

Thanks for starting this thread. I feel better now that I've ranted on the subject. XD

Karisu-sama
04-29-2003, 05:49 PM
... So what does it say about all the crossplaying female fans attending Yaoi-con? The vast majority of them are straight, and they are there to drool over the guys, even if it's guys with other guys...

Chas
04-29-2003, 05:57 PM
Good point! See? People are nuts and quick to point fingers.

Nine
04-29-2003, 07:25 PM
It is more accepted for a female to crossdress (or crossplay) than it is for males to. This is because male clothes are viewed more as unisex clothing, but female clothing are view just as female clothing. So, it is more accepted for females to crossplay.

For the issue of glbt influence on it, When males and females crossplay, they're sometimes labeled as a homosexual. I've never encountered someone calling me gay for crossplaying (even though I am gay.. lol)

Being a homosexual has no influence on weither you want to crossplay or not... well it doesn't for me. I don't crossplay because I'm gay, I crossplay because I like the characters who I cosplay.

A lot of crossdressers are straight. People don't think they are though, because they associate crossdressing with homosexuality.

You cannot determine one's sexual preference by who they cosplay or crossplay. It's as simple as that. :)

Michi
04-29-2003, 08:33 PM
nyamiko_chan, are you actually incorporating crossplay into your paper or just the idea of crossdressing? ^_^; because I think your teacher would be confused with cosplay/crossplay stuff.

L to the 3rd
04-29-2003, 08:56 PM
sometimes ppl think i'm a gay guy..
i sometimes get really nasty
posts on my guest book about it.

Merle-kun
04-29-2003, 09:05 PM
I've been asked if I was gay many many times... it used to bug me a little, but now it doesn't. I kind of expect it, and I can tell what they're going to ask based on the look on their faces. So far, nothing bad has happened because of that assumtion though.

And for the record, I'm not! I'm single and looking for a nice girl =3

LOL! I typed this when I first woke up this morning.. but I had to leave my computer for work and I went roller blading.. I completely forgot to hit send! ^^;;; Well.. so much for being the first person to reply!

khamryn
04-30-2003, 12:25 AM
Nine- actually I don't agree on it being easier for girls to crossdress. I do so all the time, and where I live its not accepted well at all. I go the whole nine yards, including strapping down and stuffing. So.. yeah. ^_^;

Link Arroway
04-30-2003, 01:53 AM
around here at least... "tomboy-ish" behavior is looked upon differently (less pervertedly/homosexually) than a guy 'cross-dressing'
...so I don't care to inform my parents of my cosplaying ventures!

Lady
04-30-2003, 10:05 AM
I think it depends on the extent to which you make yourself resemble the opposite sex. It's normal where I live for girls to wear pants and shorts...but they have to be tight pants and short shorts to show off the girl's body. I prefer to wear big, baggy jeans, and because of that people thought I was a lesbian all throughout junior high and high school (which is amusing, considering how much I dig the boys)

If guys dress up like a girl, but do so as a joke (like the Sailor Moon guys who'll keep a full beard and run around in the skirt), then it's accepted more easily, as the boy isn't serious, and doesn't actually want to appear femanine.

Really, it's all dependant upon what a society deems is 'masculine' what is 'femanine' and what are acceptable blends of the two. Take a look at ancient Rome - men ALWAYS wore skirts or togas, and only 'barbarians' wore pants.

As for me, I actually like it when boys wear short skirts and dresses and the like. Show me a boy in a French Maid outfit, and I'll show you one VERY happy Lady*grins*

Hope it helps!

-Lady

ShingoBunny
04-30-2003, 12:59 PM
I rarely do female costumes, only remember two that I've done, and I'm bi.

XDD;;; Mah girl and I usually crossplay (odd) yaoi couples... or in the case of what Nekocon/Otakon, be doing something really insane. I will be REALLY working it for an...ahem...not bishoneny male character.

Link Arroway
04-30-2003, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Lady
I think it depends on the extent to which you make yourself resemble the opposite sex. It's normal where I live for girls to wear pants and shorts...but they have to be tight pants and short shorts to show off the girl's body. I prefer to wear big, baggy jeans, and because of that people thought I was a lesbian all throughout junior high and high school (which is amusing, considering how much I dig the boys)

If guys dress up like a girl, but do so as a joke (like the Sailor Moon guys who'll keep a full beard and run around in the skirt), then it's accepted more easily, as the boy isn't serious, and doesn't actually want to appear femanine.

Really, it's all dependant upon what a society deems is 'masculine' what is 'femanine' and what are acceptable blends of the two. Take a look at ancient Rome - men ALWAYS wore skirts or togas, and only 'barbarians' wore pants.

As for me, I actually like it when boys wear short skirts and dresses and the like. Show me a boy in a French Maid outfit, and I'll show you one VERY happy Lady*grins*

Hope it helps!

-Lady

hehe, cool! I understand how society is like that.. but what you say is encouraging for a new cosplayer such as myself =D

Alexia Ikyu
04-30-2003, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Lady
As for me, I actually like it when boys wear short skirts and dresses and the like. Show me a boy in a French Maid outfit, and I'll show you one VERY happy Lady*grins*

Hope it helps!

-Lady

That is very encouraging, and encouraging for me to go make certain new costumes. :p

Merle-kun
04-30-2003, 06:53 PM
Hmm.. I have a few maid costumes I've been thinking about.. they're not French though =P

Lady
05-01-2003, 11:02 AM
*drools*PLEASE take some photos for me*eyes glaze* Or better yet, come to Otakon this year so I can ogle you all in person*grins and winks*

And might I add I would KILL to have a set of legs like Merle-kun?*whistles*

-Lady

Merle-kun
05-01-2003, 02:19 PM
lol, I am coming to Otakon. Not sure about my costumes though... I have nothing planned. One of the maid costumes would be simple to make... maybe I'll do that =3 I just need blue fur and a blue wig that match.

And I'm glad you like my legs so much =3 Just dont kill me and take mine ^^;;

L to the 3rd
05-01-2003, 04:13 PM
i want to do a squall-nurse costume
cuz i saw it in doujinshi once XD

Chas
05-01-2003, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by L to the 3rd
i want to do a squall-nurse costume
cuz i saw it in doujinshi once XD

DUDE. That would be so cool. (Yes. I am aware I'm off topic. Nyar.) XD XD XD XD Why does it remind me of something I could see in an Ani-Magic skit? X3

yasafusa
05-02-2003, 11:17 PM
I think that crossplay and cosplay shouldn't really be considered to be two seperate catagories; we are celebrating the art of anime/manga/video games/etc. by dressing up as our favorite character! I pity those who are so closed-minded; thinking people who cos/crossplay are ANYTHING but normal!

yasafusa
05-02-2003, 11:28 PM
As for me, I actually like it when boys wear short skirts and dresses and the like. Show me a boy in a French Maid outfit, and I'll show you one VERY happy Lady*grins*

-Lady [/B]

Oh, wow... the french maid outfit. I've imagined having a girl in one but never thought about myself in one for my girlfriend. BUT ID TOTALLY DO IT FOR HER...

(I'm Assuming I would have to have a gf for this or it proly is a lot less fun : ) )

This post might not last long... I'm kinda sleepy and silly right now... I'll probably come to my senses later!

khamryn
05-03-2003, 12:40 AM
Yasafusa- Hmm? People asked for Crossplay to have its own forum or it wouldn't have its own. ^_^

Karisu-sama
05-03-2003, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by yasafusa
I think that crossplay and cosplay shouldn't really be considered to be two seperate catagories
The point of the separate forum is because there are several special issues involved which are particular to crossplay - in particular, information on ways to successfully achieve the "other gender" look (usually prior to one even putting on the costume) by binding or padding & body language & so forth, as well as other issues / problems associated with crossplay such as social condemnation.

It's a BIG HELP to have a forum like this apart from "General Cosplay".

Admin
05-03-2003, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Karisu-sama
The point of the separate forum is because there are several special issues involved which are particular to crossplay - in particular, information on ways to successfully achieve the "other gender" look (usually prior to one even putting on the costume) by binding or padding & body language & so forth, as well as other issues / problems associated with crossplay such as social condemnation.

Thanks for that, all of these are the exact reasons that I created this sub-forum.

And for anyone interested, our May featured cosplayer is a male crossplayer from the west coast. We will be touching on some issues mentioned here when we do his interview. If anyone has any specific questions they'd like me to ask, please PM them to me.

DHB
05-03-2003, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Lady
As for me, I actually like it when boys wear short skirts and dresses and the like.

This is very encouraging from you Lady... even for me, I must confess...

As for the statement of crossdressing VS sexual orientation... I didn't know that most crossdressers are straight... Anyone who mentioned it (don't remember the alias), thanks for the info!

Kiko-chan
05-03-2003, 11:48 PM
As for the statement of crossdressing VS sexual orientation... I didn't know that most crossdressers are straight... Anyone who mentioned it (don't remember the alias), thanks for the info!

*blink blink* Hmmm... I didn't know that most weren't! Not that it really matters, but yeah. Anyway, to put in my two cents worth, I don't have a problem with crossplay and I don't think anyone should. Then again, I tend to be more open-minded than most people. Anyway, I would think that most people in the cosplay crowd would also be open-minded. (Hey, that's why I like you people. ^_^) In my opnion there's nothing wrong with having fun dressing up as your favorite character, even if that character does not happen to be the same gender as you.

megumibish
05-04-2003, 01:22 AM
Heh yes I recall in a 97' report that 90 percent of crossdressers are in fact straight. It was in a comic I used to collect called Pervert Club by William Allison. The comic primarily revolved around a straight crossdressing high school student. Definitely an enjoyable comic. I for one agree that I like men who wear skirts. There is this appeal about it. Especially school girl pleated skirts. =P...

Agrias
05-04-2003, 01:33 AM
I've worn a french maid outfit before! ^^;; A real shoddy looking one, but still a french maid outfit, hehe. They're fun. :D

I'm one of the androgynous sort, so I like it when people are confused about what sex I am. ;p My ideal look would be looking like a tomboyish girl, hehe.

This is just personal opinion... ^^; But it's what I think. O.o; It's all about the psychology of being restricted of something. When you are not able or not allowed to do something, that oftentimes makes you want to do it MORE. x.x; A good example is with drinking laws: In the US as soon as some people hit 21 they go crazy on the alcohol and get addicted, or do it all the time. But in Italy, where kids are raised drinking alcohol in wine and the sort, it's no big deal over there.

Hehe, sorry, this is the ramblings from a weird person. xD

yasafusa
05-04-2003, 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by yasafusa
I think that crossplay and cosplay shouldn't really be considered to be two seperate catagories
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Ah, a sentance of mine taken out of context.... not by others... but from whence it came; originally in the form of a statement from my brain....

In other words.... It sounded good when I thought it up; it just turns to BLAH once it leaves my mouth.



Ohh oops; I didn't mean to upset anyone, I really do appreciate the crossplay forum; it gives us a direct and helpful section exclusive to crossplay experiences. I should've made myself more clear... :P I was just refering to "crossplay issues" As in; I understand the feeling of condemnation for being "different."
Yet we are all pinku on the inside! :)

Jehuty
05-04-2003, 03:15 AM
A funny thing happened my friends and I still joke about it from AWA8. In one event a friend of mine was filming an Ed cosplayer from the rear and kinda zooming in on a certain area , but the cosplayer turned around and he found out it was a guy lol XD . In another event my other friend was waitning for the costume contest and saw a morrigan cosplayer he claims he never comment how hot she/he was but I know he was thinking it until he found out she was really a guy. I guess what i'm trying to say is it's funny guys but man my friends are mentally scarred for life they may never be able to look a women (really women ) and belive their women ever again lol

Karisu-sama
05-04-2003, 03:46 AM
They're only scarred if they're not open-minded, you know. Maybe rockin' their world a little will help them down that path.

Link Arroway
05-04-2003, 03:53 AM
lol, thats a funny story
did you tell the cosplayer how well they did at looking like an attractive female?

Merle-kun
05-04-2003, 11:07 AM
How can all these girls say they like a guy in a skirt, and I still be single? ^^;;;

I've startled people before when they really thought I was a girl. It's usually when I speak that makes the crowd jump ^^; That's rather amusing, especially when there's a large crowd around your dealer's table and they all start agreeing and talking among themselves ^^;;

khamryn
05-04-2003, 05:25 PM
>It's usually when I speak that makes the crowd jump ^^; That's rather amusing, especially when there's a large crowd around your dealer's table and they all start agreeing and talking among themselves ^^;;

::Claps:: I agree. ~_^ Its quite amusing when I speak and people all stare at me like "o.O.......... fe.. male..." ::grins:: i'd like to get a picture of people realizing you are male.. XD that would be priceless. ::laugh::

zor
05-17-2003, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by Karisu-sama
Nobody asks me, LOL... (Well, I'm usually crossplaying with my husband and kids in tow...)


Why couldn't my mom be cool and into cosplay like you? I wish I had parents that woulda done cosplay with me... and maybe some cross play. ^_^ It woulda been fun...


~ Z o r ~

Mizuno Tenshi
05-30-2003, 10:18 PM
Well... honestly now. Most crossdresser are straight. But that includes a lot of fetishists. I think people who are more comfortable with themselves are more likely to consider trying something different. Now, I'm not saying all crossplayers are gay, far from it. But it may make them a bit more open to the idea.

My whole view on the sexuality issue is that I fall in love with who the person really is. Whether you consider this spirit, personality, heart, or whatever... that's what I fall in love with. If that emotional/spiritual side connects, then how they look shouldn't matter, right? As an extension, their sex/gender shouldn't matter either. Going by that, I'm mostly straight, since I tend to get along with girls better. I also like femme stuff more, so that tends to attract me. So, if I find a guy I can fall in love with, I'll let it happen. Merle-kun seems like he'd be my type... ;)

But if all these people say looks shouldn't matter, neither should sex. Right?

P-chan

Arisa
06-01-2003, 10:07 PM
Mizuno: That's exactly why I'm bi. ^_^

Scortia
06-01-2003, 11:27 PM
Ha,... my mother has been seeing my crossplay and sometimes will randomly ask... "you aren't a lesbian, are you?" ^^;; Just because I think suits are classy for girls doesn't make me or anyone else gay... wanting to pimp fangirls even if you are a girl doesn't either. I'm sure the guys have to deal with much harsher judgement, but girls get it a bit as well... from non-otaku at least. It's amazing how male attention changes when I go from crossplay to a mini-skirt cosplay. ^^;;

DHB
06-02-2003, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by megumibish
I for one agree that I like men who wear skirts. There is this appeal about it. Especially school girl pleated skirts. =P...

Ooh... don't let me get too many ideas :D It's true, skirts and short skirts are cute, but... I haven't considered about wearing a pleated skirt yet, like those anime schoolgirls.

Mizuno: Fetishist?... Now that's something I don't understand. As far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't wear something because it's "trendy" or because of its belonging to a specific category / group...

I don't think I would fall in love with a male though, even during a crossdressing session...

Mizuno Tenshi
06-02-2003, 12:34 PM
How do I put this nicely... when I say fetishist... I mean people who wear things just for the... pleasure. Nothing related to being feminine, but more along the lines of needing the item to achieve satisfaction... 0_o

P-chan

Goth Kitty 22
06-02-2003, 08:11 PM
I'm sure the guys have to deal with much harsher judgement

Tell me about it. My mom asked me what costume I wanted to go as next year and if the character was female. I said yes, and this has restarted a chain reaction that resulted in a big argument and my dad not speaking to me for three days. They are very conservative and there is no way I can win an argument. The only thing my dad allowed me to say was why I wanted to be a woman. I told him I didn't want to be woman but that I don't believe there is only one way a man should be. He told me I was lying and asked me again why I wanted to be a woman. This guy always makes me miserable and so fustrated that I've kicked a hole in my door. My mom also won't back me up on women's right's issues.

I'm not allowed to go to anymore cons if I go crossplaying. My mom asked me why I can't just act like other people and do what other con goers do. She says people will talk behind my back and my friends laugh at me. But I know two things. All of my friends are quirky and equally laughable, and a con is a place to have fun and let loose. I've just about had it when she makes a con another social gathering where one has to keep up appearances and act accordingly. It doesn't help that she followed me around this year's con all day. It's only for 2 days out of the whole year that I want to have to myself. I pretty much only sit around the house for the rest of the year.

But I can rant all day.

Karisu-sama
06-02-2003, 09:21 PM
Goth Kitty 22: Dunno how old you are, but hang in there. When you're no longer living with them, you can do as you please.

I honestly don't know what reaction my parents would have had if I crossplayed as a teen. (There were crossplays I wanted to do then - ie: Capt. Harlock! - But in those days people just did not crossplay, so I didn't dare.) In any case, what I do now is MY business. ^^ And my kid daughters do some crossplay too. It doesn't negate that they are still girls. Big deal!

Hametsu no Kaze
06-02-2003, 10:27 PM
I've got to say I had no idea this was such an issue. i've done 4 crossplay costumes and will be doing a 5th this year (thou my regular cosplays outnumber my crossplays). even with playing around and pretending to be a yaoi couple with a friend, I've never really had a problem with people thinking I'm anythin but straight (as far as I know), nor has it occured to me to wonder if someone was straight or not based on their costume choice. It just seemed normal: if I like the guy char why not dress up as the guy? I guess it's slightly different thou because I don't go to the trouble of trying to make it look like I am a guy underneath. flatten my chest? noo thank u its flat enough as it is. Also, none of the costumes are anything that would be found to cross the gender-lines in modern society, I imagine if I was a guy and crossplaying it would have occured to me much earlier because society would have been sure to beat it in my head.
eh that was kinda long, but I guess my point is, not everyone is looking and thinking that crossplay has anything to do with sexual preference. it probably depends on how you've been raised

Karisu-sama
06-03-2003, 01:29 AM
And I'm sure it also depends on the sex of the crossplayer.

Goth Kitty 22 was expanding on the fact that guys who crossplay tend to get a lot more grief for it, and especially from their parents if they are young enough to live at home. Women get away with crossplay much more than men, regardless of whether or not the crossplayer is going all out to "pass". There's a real stigma attached to "men in drag" in our society, and gender identity / sexual preference issues tend to get raised much more for them then for women. S'not fair, but it happens.

I am kinda "flat" too, but I do bind & make some effort to pass. It's entirely up to you what you choose to do. ^^

zor
06-09-2003, 09:02 PM
Women get away with more in the way of clothing in general Karisu-sama. Ever notice how a girl and guy can go into a store (say the Gap) together and buy the exact same pair of guys shorts and no one says a thing....

BUT if they were to buy the same girl's shorts HE'D be harassed by someone for sure... not even to mention if he bought a skirt!

Social stigma sucks! ((I think I oughta add that to my sig... anyone got a good link to use for that?))



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Katseking
07-11-2003, 09:46 PM
I have a Question Are there women that are attracted to
crossplaers and if so please tell me why you are

Hibiki-chan
07-12-2003, 02:03 PM
Katse -- Not to say that I'm a woman, but people get attracted to different kinds of people. It's kind of a hypothetical question, really. Sometimes you get attracted to someone who you thought you'd least be attracted to. Isn't that the lesson we learned from 80s romantic comedies? :D

Anyhow, I was concerned in the fact that I could be labelled as something I'm not when I was deciding upon two costumes for next year. Sure, it is a ways off, but I wanted to cosplay as Hibiki from Last Blade 2 (which I scrapped by the way, in favor of...) and Honjo Kamatari from Rurouni Kenshin -- which I am sure I will get flack for.

I've already made my move to buy the various pieces of make up I'll need for Kamatari today and to be honest, I got some pretty weird looks. That's outside of the confines of the convention of course...

When I saw someone crossplay in AX this year, I didn't judge them for what they are as far as sexual preference is concerned. I looked at their ingenuity and how well they've captured the anime character they wish to crossplay/cosplay.

Even my best friend in the entire world uttered quite a resounding "EWWW" when I told him that I was going to cosplay as Kamatari considering he's a gay guy who looks entirely like a female. But I basically told him off by saying, "If I want to make a costume, I wanna feel like a completely different person and enjoy the path I'll take to become that person even if it's just for a day."

But that's my take on it, from a newbie perspective of course ^_^;;

Kira_Yamato
07-13-2003, 06:32 AM
I really want to crossplay, and i'm totally straight. But I'm refraining because of the damage it could do to my relationship with my parents.

RHIshida
07-13-2003, 01:32 PM
My mom is more open to crossplaying than my dad. My dad is like the "Macho-man" stereo-type, and he's ashamed of how feminine I am in my mannerisms and such. He gives me heck about it alot, but It's me and just how I am. I'm going to go behind his back with my mom and create my Celes Chere and Futaba-chan crossplay costumes. >:D

yasafusa
07-13-2003, 08:27 PM
Well you could actually use the defense that Futaba is Really a guy; with a "disability". HAHA, nah; it'd be hard to explain the falsies!

Wyna Hiros
07-13-2003, 09:21 PM
[Deleted. Sorry, left Cosplay.com due to lack of time/interest]

wisecraxx
12-18-2009, 09:03 PM
Now, I've only been crossplaying for about a year and I must say that since my parents were able to see my dedication, they have become more open-minded about it. Heck, my mom actually said I looked better in my Sebastian cosplay, given that I actually cared about how I look. My dad acts a little more distant about it (by about one percent or something, but I sort of feel he is for some reason) but my mom is so happy that I can actually sew and she sees that I love cosplaying enough to try so hard and put my all into it.
Two years ago I would have said otherwise, but they really see a whole other side to the conventions I go to, and it makes me proud to be a teen and say this ^^ ~

When I got my Underwood binding shirt recently, I showed her how I looked with it on and she didn't react like "ew" or something like that; she actually stated,
"You know, I saw that in a movie where this actress did the same - you look pretty eerie though. xD"


I understand that for guys it is a lot more difficult - especially when it comes to the fathers since they feel their son should be more 'masculine'. I hope that things get better, but in New York City these things tend to be more accepted - well, with girls anyway. I think that if a guy does a really nice job and doesn't take it as a joke is when people may say,
"Whoa - and I fell for that?"
When you get such compliments about a costume, it makes you feel like you did well (at least, that's how I feel anyway x3).

Sorry if this seems like a lot of blabbering on and on and if none of what I say makes sense - I just wanted to give some input about my own experiences. ^^'


Edit: This is a very old thread, I know, but I simply could not resist.

griffti6
12-21-2009, 09:48 AM
ahah! ..you are the one that bumped old thread...not like ive been here that long anyways :P

some people have made some great points about how society is too narrow minded and double standards do exist and it sucks for guys more or less...we are so oppressed... rofl :D i know my mom is quite weary of me doing this con. i really need to move out but apartments are way too expensive around here with only a semi-part-time job (only truely work ~24 hours/week but im on call 24/7 :) ) so my parents are nice enough to let me stay though i just recently graduated high school. which makes me sad because i so would of crossdressed at skewl just to spite people because as said before, my mind set is like if you tell me NOT to do it, the feeling to do it is even greater ^^

now its just that im at home and at work...not much public appearance, my mom will get over it all eventually, im still here lil baby -.- ...either way, to atleast brush on the topic and not be completely spam (hehe), i use to be like the whole "macho macho man" type of person, but since about middle school when most my friends were girls..my mind was more open and i give them a lot of grief most the time so i let them dress me up and have a lil fun/payback...i dont consider myself gay, here in the US field hockey is considered a "girls" sport but i wanted to play because it was something new and the running would condition me for swim team in the winter. regardless, when it went around the school (nothing else to do but gossip -.-) people were asking if i was gay, and i told them no but some persisted and i told them a few choice words and went on with my business.

i think society in the US is too conformed to what we were raised with, history can tell it all. ever since womens rights movements started. although, clothing wise, i think women got the upper hand on men :P ...how are we gonna be equals if theres always a difference in treatment? over a certain subject? ...granted im not one shopping for girls clothes to wear and all that so i really dont know. but i do think that when it comes to "equality" ...it will never be TRUELY equal...just think on any subject in history that had a rights movement, to help picture in your mind...think of a see-saw....one person on either side will always be higher, unless both apply equal weight to balance out. but when both get off, the balance is always off center. thats how i think of it anyways with todays problems and the problems that were in the past. i think society is to blame for whether or not you determine someone is gay or not by how they dress...

and for the people for tl;dr ...society sucks and not all cross-dress/play is gay
~Griffti6

p.s. i could have gone all day about this and what i have learned from observation and other peoples ideas from this site..but i decided to keep it simple and stop :P

DreamyDemon
12-26-2009, 08:54 PM
Okay, for the record, gender identity (including crossplay) has nothing to do with sexual orientation. They're two seperate things. You can be a straight biological male and identify (or crossplay) as a woman. Or you could be a gay biological male that crossplays. Society often correlates one with the other, but in reality there is no connection. So straight guys, wear those skirts with pride!