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Bahzi
10-10-2007, 06:39 PM
I did a search on here, didn't see a thread for this....

So, who else is looking forward to this game? (it's for PS3 for those who didn't know)

I love the other Ratchet games, (well, not so much Deadlocked), but in general, Insomniac's Ratchet and Clank series are some of the best platformers available IMO.

Also, if you have a PS3 and a broadband internet connection, you can download a free HD trailer of Tools of Destruction from the marketplace/downloads.

The game looks beautiful, and hopefully gameplay will be as impressive too.

I'm mostly just happy that I'll have a game I actually care about for PS3 besides Ninja Gaiden. That's the only game I've liked for the system since I bought it a few months back. I was looking forward to Lair, until it got horrid reviews and I played a demo at GameStop. ><

Pliskin
10-10-2007, 07:01 PM
Definitely looking forward to it. There's supposed to be a new demo for it dropping on the PSN soon.

There's a lot coming out over the next few months that I'm interested in. Rock Band, Haze, Uncharted, and of course R&C. Oh, and Eye of Judgment looks pretty interesting as well.

Syrinx
10-10-2007, 07:39 PM
i have a really random question to ask... did the original ratchet and clank game come with an instruction book, or just a poster? lol i so can't remember..

back on topic.. i've played the demo for this game.. and i enjoyed it emencly! it really does look beautiful and the weapons are a lot of fun! the groovitron grenades are just amazing.. and so is the gun that turns enemies into penguins.. now if only there was a way to turn them into dancing penguins.... hmmm.. i should try it.... =^.^=

Bahzi
10-10-2007, 07:49 PM
i have a really random question to ask... did the original ratchet and clank game come with an instruction book, or just a poster? lol i so can't remember..

back on topic.. i've played the demo for this game.. and i enjoyed it emencly! it really does look beautiful and the weapons are a lot of fun! the groovitron grenades are just amazing.. and so is the gun that turns enemies into penguins.. now if only there was a way to turn them into penguins and then have them dance.... hmmm.. i should try it.... =^.^=

If I remember correctly, the poster was 2 sided, and had the instructions on the other side! It folded up into a little book.

I don't know for sure though, my copy is MIA. ><

FinalEVA
10-10-2007, 09:27 PM
I'm definitely getting this game. I already have it pre-ordered and I loved the demo.

I just got Folklore today, and I really enjoy it. You should get it, depending on your tastes in games (it's not for everyone).

Syrinx
10-10-2007, 09:49 PM
hehe thanks, ani! for the life of me i couldn't remember if there was a booklet along with it. *sigh* i wish i had the ps3.. ratchet.. final fantasy.. metal gear solid 4.. and folklore looks pretty good too... oh well, i can always play at my bf's house.

Mesoian
10-10-2007, 11:06 PM
I count this as the first must own PS3 game on the market. VERY late to the game but I have never been dissapointed by a RaC game, even the PSP one with the borked controls.

Bahzi
10-10-2007, 11:23 PM
I count this as the first must own PS3 game on the market. VERY late to the game but I have never been dissapointed by a RaC game, even the PSP one with the borked controls.


Yeah, Size Matters' controls were kind of messed up weren't they? I still like the game a lot though, although I found it to be a good deal harder than the PS2 incarnations. Still though, tons of fun.

Also, for me this is the first must own title as well...nothing else for the system has made me this excited yet.

new_ike
10-11-2007, 12:41 PM
You can pre-order the game and get the demo for free from Gamestop (physical store, anyway) - I've yet to open up mine; like most of you I've played all the other R&Cs and they were all good, so I'm looking forward to this one being good as well.

Pliskin
10-11-2007, 01:33 PM
You can pre-order the game and get the demo for free from Gamestop (physical store, anyway) - I've yet to open up mine; like most of you I've played all the other R&Cs and they were all good, so I'm looking forward to this one being good as well.

From what I've heard, its an older build of the game as well.

I've been meaning to pre-order it, but unfortunately I have a nagging feeling my local gamestop is out of demos.

On another note, since I don't own a 360, I've purchased a lot of multiplatform titles, so I'm sort of on the other-end of the "nothing to really make me want the system" argument, except with the 360. I currently own 12 PS3 games, so I'm probably one of the people balancing out the attach-rate with the people who bought it as a Blu-Ray player.

Pliskin
10-11-2007, 04:28 PM
Heh, the gods have smiled upon me. R&C demo is now up for download on the PSN Store.

Bahzi
10-11-2007, 04:31 PM
Heh, the gods have smiled upon me. R&C demo is now up for download on the PSN Store.

Really? Sweet! I'ma gonna get it! ^^

Pliskin
10-11-2007, 06:29 PM
Still chugging along with the download, now at 75%

Pliskin
10-11-2007, 08:06 PM
Holy crap its incredible.

FinalEVA
10-11-2007, 08:18 PM
It's completely polished. Not tearing issues what so ever. Awesome. This game has to get at least 9/10

Pliskin
10-11-2007, 08:34 PM
I am definitely impressed. Everything feels so polished.

FinalEVA
10-13-2007, 03:18 AM
New video on 1up. http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/15413

Looks like a AAA title hands down. Can't wait for this.

Bahzi
10-13-2007, 02:32 PM
Well, after that insanely long download, I finally got to play the thing....it was amazing! So much fun. If there was anything wrong with it, it was the occasional camera problem, but I would imagine in the final game you'd be able to put the camera in a more active mode, like the other RC games. ^^

Pliskin
10-24-2007, 04:54 PM
Picked up my preorder today.

I LOVE this game.

Archelon
10-24-2007, 05:03 PM
The reviews are all over the place for this game, with IGN's being by far the most positive. I don't think I've ever seen the media so at odds over a Ratchet game before. Well, except for maybe Deadlocked. I definitely didn't expect this, because the R&C series has always been one of the most polished, enjoyable platformers out there.

LordDeus
10-24-2007, 06:29 PM
I played the demo, and it was enjoyable. Doesn't seem like much has changed as far as gameplay goes, but with R&C, thats not necessarily a bad thing. The game definitely looks beautiful... at one point I put down the controller thinking I was about to watch a cutscene... instead Ratchet and Clank just stood still waiting for me to move them >.<

Mesoian
10-24-2007, 11:27 PM
::Huff:: Hooray thoughtless glitches.

There better be a patch out, like, tomorrow. Such a stupid glitch.

It's interesting that the reviews are so varied. Though all the bad ones run along the lines of, "It's pretty but nothing new, just more RaC", which is totally fine by me, because RaC has always been enjoyable.

So. Jak 5 next? Yeah? Or Jak x2? I would like that, Jak x was surprisingly excellent. If the PS2's online protocols weren't so shitcakes, I probably would have logged a good 50 hours into that game.

Archelon
10-25-2007, 02:15 PM
So. Jak 5 next? Yeah? Or Jak x2?

That's Naughty Dog, though. Insomniac makes R&C. Granted, they've shared engines before.

Pliskin
10-25-2007, 03:59 PM
::Huff:: Hooray thoughtless glitches.

There better be a patch out, like, tomorrow. Such a stupid glitch.

It's interesting that the reviews are so varied. Though all the bad ones run along the lines of, "It's pretty but nothing new, just more RaC", which is totally fine by me, because RaC has always been enjoyable.

So. Jak 5 next? Yeah? Or Jak x2? I would like that, Jak x was surprisingly excellent. If the PS2's online protocols weren't so shitcakes, I probably would have logged a good 50 hours into that game.

What glitch? I've almost finished the first playthrough of the game, no glitch so far.

Archelon
10-25-2007, 04:11 PM
He's probably talking about the one that says your hard drive is too full and doesn't have room for an R&C save file, even if it isn't.

Mesoian
10-25-2007, 04:12 PM
He's probably talking about the one that says your hard drive is too full and doesn't have room for an R&C save file, even if it isn't.

That's the one

Pliskin
10-25-2007, 07:02 PM
That's the one

You just delete a demo and it works. No biggie, lol. Not exactly a gamebreaking glitch.

Just beat it. Whoever gave this game less than a 9 needs to be dragged into the street and shot.

The Music is top notch, catchy, comical and touching when it needs to be. The voice acting is hilarious, tons of funny little jokes in the background. The subtle Pirate theme (almost a parody of Pirates of the Caribbean) is great.

Whoever said the game has a "thin story" must be really spoiled with their storylines. Its entirely self sufficient, and by the end of it I was definitely rooting for R&C.

The graphics? Wow. Honestly, next-gen doesn't mean photo realism. I can say without a doubt that games like Super Paper Mario and Mario Galaxy would be BETTER if they looked like this.

The mini-games were fun and enjoyable, and they get increasingly more complex as you play. The weapons are downright awesome, but that tends to be Insomniac's forte. So much to say about this game, and i'm not normally the platformer type.

I can't recommend this enough.

FinalEVA
10-25-2007, 07:27 PM
I played a couple hours last night, and it was freakin' awesome. I'll be playing more shortly, because I had studying to do for college courses.

I don't want to sound like a Sony fanboy here, but I did find Gamespot's review to be a little strange. It looked like they were trying to find reasons to slag on the game for some kind of bias (ether it was a PS3 exclusive, or it's not a generic multiplayer FPS game).

They say in the review it's more of the same. Right before, they gave a 9.5 to a game that was almost no different than its predecessors but had too much hype around it to mention anything bad.

I'm definitely looking forward to SMG too, when I get a Wii (which I will pretty soon).

Pliskin
10-26-2007, 06:50 AM
I played a couple hours last night, and it was freakin' awesome. I'll be playing more shortly, because I had studying to do for college courses.

I don't want to sound like a Sony fanboy here, but I did find Gamespot's review to be a little strange. It looked like they were trying to find reasons to slag on the game for some kind of bias (ether it was a PS3 exclusive, or it's not a generic multiplayer FPS game).

They say in the review it's more of the same. Right before, they gave a 9.5 to a game that was almost no different than its predecessors but had too much hype around it to mention anything bad.

I'm definitely looking forward to SMG too, when I get a Wii (which I will pretty soon).

Quite a few people are dumbfounded by the gamespot review. Its downright weird.

Quantum9
10-26-2007, 11:38 AM
The graphics? Wow. Honestly, next-gen doesn't mean photo realism. I can say without a doubt that games like Super Paper Mario and Mario Galaxy would be BETTER if they looked like this.

Guh? Last I checked, Super Mario Galaxy isn't out yet, and Super Paper Mario is a completely different kind of game altogether. And I really don't see how making the game look better achieves any difference in how the game actually plays.

Archelon
10-26-2007, 12:11 PM
Guh? Last I checked, Super Mario Galaxy isn't out yet, and Super Paper Mario is a completely different kind of game altogether. And I really don't see how making the game look better achieves any difference in how the game actually plays.

I believe the term is "flame bait."

Pliskin
10-26-2007, 02:30 PM
I believe the term is "flame bait."
If anyone is flamebaiting, its you. All you've been doing as of late is coming in with smug little replies that don't actually add anything to the discussion.

Anyway...

Well, my point being, if two games had exactly the same gameplay...

Would you choose the game with the better graphics or worse graphics? Graphics ARE an important part of gameplay. Its less important in some games than in others, but it still adds to the overall experience of playing a game.

Archelon
10-26-2007, 02:34 PM
Well, my point being, if two games had exactly the same gameplay...

Except Ratchet & Clank and Mario Galaxy and Super Paper Mario do not have exactly the same gameplay.

Pliskin
10-26-2007, 02:37 PM
Except Ratchet & Clank and Mario Galaxy and Super Paper Mario do not have exactly the same gameplay.

Except I'm not comparing R&C to Galaxy or SPM. Read it again. Carefully. You rather fanboyishly jumped to a conclusion I didn't make to try and call me a troll. Good job there.

Archelon
10-26-2007, 02:49 PM
Except I'm not comparing R&C to Galaxy or SPM. Read it again. Carefully. You rather fanboyishly jumped to a conclusion I didn't make to try and call me a troll. Good job there.

The graphics? Wow. Honestly, next-gen doesn't mean photo realism. I can say without a doubt that games like Super Paper Mario and Mario Galaxy would be BETTER if they looked like this.

You must have a different definition of comparison than I do, because that suggests to me quite clearly you're comparing Super Mario Galaxy and Super Paper Mario's graphics to those of Ratchet & Clank's.

Well, my point being, if two games had exactly the same gameplay...

Would you choose the game with the better graphics or worse graphics? Graphics ARE an important part of gameplay. Its less important in some games than in others, but it still adds to the overall experience of playing a game.

And if this was your original point, then you should have simply said so. If you were strictly referring to games with exactly the same gameplay, then instead of mentioning games like Super Mario Galaxy and Super Paper Mario, it would have made much more sense to compare R&C's graphics to games like Metal Arms: Glitch in the System or to a lesser extent, Jak II and Jak 3.

Super Mario Galaxy and Super Paper Mario are dissimilar enough to the R&C games that it's not unreasonable to conclude that your original comment was nothing more than an attack on those games because you know it's going to get a rise out of people. This is no different than when you came into the Halo 3 thread to "enlighten the unclean masses about Bungie's lies and deceit." You only did it because you wanted to start something.

And in this case, if you had not intended to start something, you should have chosen your words better.

Pliskin
10-26-2007, 03:05 PM
You must have a different definition of comparison than I do, because that suggests to me quite clearly you're comparing Super Mario Galaxy and Super Paper Mario's graphics to those of Ratchet & Clank's.

Semantics. Your entire point was that R&C and MG don't have the same gameplay. I wasn't comparing gameplay, or the games as a whole. I was comparing the games to themselves.

And if this was your original point, then you should have simply said so. If you were strictly referring to games with exactly the same gameplay, then instead of mentioning games like Super Mario Galaxy and Super Paper Mario, it would have made much more sense to compare R&C's graphics to games like Metal Arms: Glitch in the System or to a lesser extent, Jak II and Jak 3.

Once more, you're making a strawman, and not actually paying attention here.

Super Mario Galaxy with better graphics would be a BETTER game than Super Mario Galaxy with current graphics.

How's that? That make more sense? There's nothing to really misunderstand about this statement. The problem here, is that you want to misunderstand my statement because you seem to feel its your birthright to come into threads and act offended.

Super Mario Galaxy and Super Paper Mario are dissimilar enough to the R&C games that it's not unreasonable to conclude that your original comment was nothing more than an attack on those games because you know it's going to get a rise out of people. This is no different than when you came into the Halo 3 thread to "enlighten the unclean masses about Bungie's lies and deceit." You only did it because you wanted to start something.

SMG is actually a game I'm looking forward to playing whenever I purchase a wii. (probably after the holidays, or when Nintendo actually makes enough of them for me to not have to hunt them down). My point however, was that I would be MUCH more excited about the game if it had the same depth in its graphics as R&C does.

When do you plan on purchasing a PS3 again?

And in this case, if you had not intended to start something, you should have chosen your words better.

I said what I said because I didn't think I'd have yourself as Supreme Nintendo Defender trying to make a mountain out of a statement I typed over the course of several seconds as I'm playing the game.

In any case, you simply misunderstood and overreacted about something. Thank you for apologizing. It takes someone very mature to apologize. ;-)

Archelon
10-26-2007, 03:42 PM
Super Mario Galaxy with better graphics would be a BETTER game than Super Mario Galaxy with current graphics.

How's that? That make more sense? There's nothing to really misunderstand about this statement.

It might make more sense if your logic wasn't inherently flawed. If a game has the exact same gameplay, and the only difference is graphics, that alone does not make it a better game. It may make it a better looking game, but it in no way makes the game itself better.

If you took the original Super Mario Bros, for example, and redid it with next gen graphics, but kept the gameplay exactly the same as when it was first released on the Nintendo, that would not just all of the sudden magically make it a better game. It might be a prettier game, yes, but not a better game by any means.

Pliskin
10-26-2007, 03:53 PM
It might make more sense if your logic wasn't inherently flawed. If a game has the exact same gameplay, and the only difference is graphics, that alone does not make it a better game. It may make it a better looking game, but it in no way makes the game itself better.

If you took the original Super Mario Bros, for example, and redid it with next gen graphics, but kept the gameplay exactly the same as when it was first released on the Nintendo, that would not just all of the sudden magically make it a better game. It might be a prettier game, yes, but not a better game by any means.

And once again, you completely ignore my point, in lieu of a strawman attack.

If you took the original Super Mario Bros, and improved the graphics, and released it when the original Super Mario Bros was released, it would be a better game.

Pliskin
10-26-2007, 07:04 PM
I played a couple hours last night, and it was freakin' awesome. I'll be playing more shortly, because I had studying to do for college courses.

I don't want to sound like a Sony fanboy here, but I did find Gamespot's review to be a little strange. It looked like they were trying to find reasons to slag on the game for some kind of bias (ether it was a PS3 exclusive, or it's not a generic multiplayer FPS game).

They say in the review it's more of the same. Right before, they gave a 9.5 to a game that was almost no different than its predecessors but had too much hype around it to mention anything bad.

I'm definitely looking forward to SMG too, when I get a Wii (which I will pretty soon).

http://gsratchet.ytmnd.com/ You're definitely not the only one, apparently, LOL.

Archelon
10-26-2007, 07:25 PM
If you took the original Super Mario Bros, and improved the graphics, and released it when the original Super Mario Bros was released, it would be a better game.

That still doesn't make any sense. As I said, it would be a prettier game, sure, but not a better game. I think you're getting the two confused. Just because a game has better graphics does not mean it is better than it would be with lesser graphics.

Ratchet & Clank Future would be no worse of a game if it had come out on the PS2 than on the PS3. Yes, the graphics would not be as nice as they are on the PS3, but that doesn't automatically mean it would be a worse game. The only way a game can be better with better graphics is if those graphics somehow affect the actual gameplay. The fact that you can count the hairs on Ratchet's body in no way makes the game itself better than if the hairs were just a simply painted-on skin.

Pliskin
10-26-2007, 07:29 PM
That still doesn't make any sense. As I said, it would be a prettier game, sure, but not a better game. I think you're getting the two confused. Just because a game has better graphics does not mean it is better than it would be with lesser graphics.

Ratchet & Clank Future would be no worse of a game if it had come out on the PS2 than on the PS3. Yes, the graphics would not be as nice as they are on the PS3, but that doesn't automatically mean it would be a worse game. The only way a game can be better with better graphics is if those graphics somehow affect the actual gameplay. The fact that you can count the hairs on Ratchet's body in no way makes the game itself better than if the hairs were just a simply painted-on skin.

Things like draw distance, sense of scale, environmental immersion, are all a function of graphics, which ZOMG, adds to gameplay. You can claim it doesn't until you're blue in the face, that doesn't change the fact that its true.

I reinterate, what would be a better gaming experience for you? RE5 with RE1 graphics? or RE5 with RE5 graphics?

FinalEVA
10-26-2007, 08:19 PM
http://gsratchet.ytmnd.com/ You're definitely not the only one, apparently, LOL.


lol. that was awesome. GS may have some explaining to do.

Sony should put this game on every PS3 demo kiosk in the US and Europe for the holidays, IMO.

Archelon
10-26-2007, 08:43 PM
Things like draw distance, sense of scale, environmental immersion, are all a function of graphics, which ZOMG, adds to gameplay. You can claim it doesn't until you're blue in the face, that doesn't change the fact that its true.

This is where you are incorrect. The things you list here only affect the game aesthetically. They do not affect the gameplay, except in a few extreme cases, such as being able to snipe an enemy that is further away because the draw distance is further. However, for the most part, these elements do not affect gameplay whatsoever.

I reinterate, what would be a better gaming experience for you? RE5 with RE1 graphics? or RE5 with RE5 graphics?

The experience would fundamentally be the same. RE5 with RE1 graphics wouldn't be as pretty as RE5 with RE5 graphics, obviously, but if the gameplay is exactly the same, then my enjoyment of the game isn't going to change just because one is prettier than the other.

To give a concrete example, the GameCube version of RE4 is clearly the superior when compared, graphically, to the PS2 version of RE4. However, I played the PS2 version of RE4 just as much as, if not more so than, the GameCube version. My enjoyment of the PS2 version did not lessen any just because it was graphically inferior, and my enjoyment of the GameCube version did not increase because it was graphically superior.

The reason I may have preferred one version over the other was strictly gameplay related. For example, I found the aiming in the GameCube version to be more precise than in the PS2 version. However, this preference has nothing to do with the visuals, obviously.

Pliskin
10-27-2007, 08:41 AM
This is where you are incorrect. The things you list here only affect the game aesthetically. They do not affect the gameplay, except in a few extreme cases, such as being able to snipe an enemy that is further away because the draw distance is further. However, for the most part, these elements do not affect gameplay whatsoever.

Maybe we're having a problem here with different definitions of gameplay. I use it to refer to the experience you get from playing a game. Things like being in a city under attack by aliens, and having the graphics oomph to portray hundreds of city cars in the background, crashing enemy dropships, and destroyed/decaying platforms. All of this is a function of graphics. All of this adds to the immersion.

Graphics are just as important as story and sound in a game, and all of those enhance the experience of playing a game, which, makes a game better.


The experience would fundamentally be the same. RE5 with RE1 graphics wouldn't be as pretty as RE5 with RE5 graphics, obviously, but if the gameplay is exactly the same, then my enjoyment of the game isn't going to change just because one is prettier than the other.

I'll continue using "gaming experience" instead of the more meaningless "gameplay" term. So having a character that you can better relate to in the story, one that can exhibit much more believable emotions, enemies that are capable of being more unsettling, and environments that can impart emotion better do not add anything to the experience...

To give a concrete example, the GameCube version of RE4 is clearly the superior when compared, graphically, to the PS2 version of RE4. However, I played the PS2 version of RE4 just as much as, if not more so than, the GameCube version. My enjoyment of the PS2 version did not lessen any just because it was graphically inferior, and my enjoyment of the GameCube version did not increase because it was graphically superior.

Which means absolutely nothing since the two versions of the game are almost the same in graphics. As i stated, there are other factors for enjoying a game besides graphics, but graphics ARE a part of enjoyment in a game.

Now either take this somewhere else and stop screwing up the R&C thread, or leave altogether.