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Pliskin
10-11-2007, 05:18 PM
http://kotaku.com/gaming/ea-grabs-two-devs/ea-buys-bioware-pandemic-309937.php

Now here's wondering... is the Mass Effect ip owned by MS or by BioWare.

4ng31
10-11-2007, 07:08 PM
Now here's wondering... is the Mass Effect ip owned by MS or by BioWare.

Doesn't really matter at this point in development (if it's not already done), as the time it would take to port it to PS3 would obviously be long, and secondly, it would be a port, ergo, an inferior version of the original running on foreign hardware.

As for EA...I guess no one gave them the memo that us, as gamers, don't want them to continue doing crap like this. Seriously, this is how saturation begins...86 looks a lot more familiar every day...

Pliskin
10-11-2007, 07:25 PM
Doesn't really matter at this point in development (if it's not already done), as the time it would take to port it to PS3 would obviously be long, and secondly, it would be a port, ergo, an inferior version of the original running on foreign hardware.

As for EA...I guess no one gave them the memo that us, as gamers, don't want them to continue doing crap like this. Seriously, this is how saturation begins...86 looks a lot more familiar every day...

Number 1: Ports aren't always bad. Look at Oblivion on PS3. Improved both graphically and framerate-wise over the 360 version. Dirt, better framerate than the 360 version. That's fanboyish to think that just because something is ported, its crap.

The game is built using UE3, which is easily portable, so its not nearly as tough to port as something like... MGS4. Also, the series is planned as a trilogy, so its no stretch to think that Mass Effect 2 would go multi-platform, especially since it would make more money than a simple 360 exclusive.

Romaniac
10-11-2007, 07:59 PM
Number 1: Ports aren't always bad. Look at Oblivion on PS3. Improved both graphically and framerate-wise over the 360 version. Dirt, better framerate than the 360 version. That's fanboyish to think that just because something is ported, its crap.

The game is built using UE3, which is easily portable, so its not nearly as tough to port as something like... MGS4. Also, the series is planned as a trilogy, so its no stretch to think that Mass Effect 2 would go multi-platform, especially since it would make more money than a simple 360 exclusive.

Ports generally are bad...I'm willing to say that 75% of all ports don't turn out in a 1:1 clone of the original. Also, seeing as you referenced Oblivion, how long did it take to port it to the PS3...my case exactly. And the porting reference applies to all consoles...an example being Metal Gear for Xbox...horrible compared to the original PS2 version, although the Xbox is a stronger console.

To tell you the truth, I don't really care to much about Mass Effect, as it never really struck an interest within me. But the truth of a delayed release on PS3 (if that route is being looked at) is inevitable.

*This is Asuka BMz, on GF's computer.

Pliskin
10-11-2007, 09:07 PM
Ports generally are bad...I'm willing to say that 75% of all ports don't turn out in a 1:1 clone of the original. Also, seeing as you referenced Oblivion, how long did it take to port it to the PS3...my case exactly. And the porting reference applies to all consoles...an example being Metal Gear for Xbox...horrible compared to the original PS2 version, although the Xbox is a stronger console.

My point still stands though, namely, its on a multi-platform engine. Oblivion wasn't.

Mesoian
10-11-2007, 10:31 PM
God, this is awful.

I don't know about you, but I really don't want yearly iterations of Mass Effect because EA wants to turn a buck.

Pliskin
10-11-2007, 10:52 PM
Looks like I was right... http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=15833

The question and answer section was particularly hot on which IPs will transfer over to EA, and the company noted that Mass Effect is published by Microsoft, but the intellectual property now belongs to Electronic Arts and would conceivably from here out be EA published.

Mass Effect IP belongs to EA now. PS3 release to come in the future?

Mesoian
10-11-2007, 11:04 PM
In short, yes Along with a Wii version. And a DS version and a PSP version and an NGAGE version and the sequel will be done 9 months after for all consoles, and the third game 9 months after that.

Shit, I don't even want mass effect anymore, it'll be kotor all over again.

Pliskin
10-11-2007, 11:14 PM
In short, yes Along with a Wii version. And a DS version and a PSP version and an NGAGE version and the sequel will be done 9 months after for all consoles, and the third game 9 months after that.

Shit, I don't even want mass effect anymore, it'll be kotor all over again.

Eh, I think you're overreacting a bit. I'm just happy at the prospect of getting Mass Effect without me needing to buy a 360.

Mesoian
10-11-2007, 11:29 PM
Eh, I think you're overreacting a bit. I'm just happy at the prospect of getting Mass Effect without me needing to buy a 360.

I have absolutely no doubt that EA will try and capitalize on the hype machine that M$ has been swirling around Mass Effect and try to make this the new great white hope. Which means they are going to whore the line out as diligently as possible, just like when Battlefield 2 was new. Which means we're going to see shit iteration after shit iteration in order for EA to line their pockets.

EA gaining the rights to Mass Effect essentially ensures that any game after Mass Effect 1 will be dogshit. And considering Mass Effect is already a confirmed trilogy, I don't want to get hooked into the story in one only to know that 2 and 3 are already lost causes.

I don't care if the game goes multiplatform, I'm just bummed because what was turning out to be rather compelling story is now going to be raped for profit.

Sucks.

demifiend
10-12-2007, 04:37 AM
Upon learning this, I was non-functional for my (boring) last class of the day (thankfully, the word came in a text message AFTER my test). While I may be mortified, I try to remember that they have shuffled management at EA and are green-lighting more unusual projects, like Dead Space and Army of Two, both of which I may purchase if they turn out well. While it will almost certainly go multiplatform, if EA does what a good publisher does and lets talented people do their work while writing the paychecks, this could be okay. If not, the best we can hope is that Muzyka, Zeschuk, and the whole Bioware gang jump ship to form a new company.
Here's to hoping...

TheAnarCHris
10-12-2007, 09:19 AM
Wait, so this means that EA is going to publish a Sonic RPG next year...

::: Dies a little more on the inside :::

Arc_The_Lad
10-12-2007, 10:48 AM
EA needs to kill themselves. The only good thing to ever have their name on it, was Ultima Online.

Archelon
10-12-2007, 04:18 PM
http://kotaku.com/gaming/mass-effect/mass-effect-confirmed-for-november-20-still-360-exclusive-310022.php

Mass Effect is still a 360 exclusive. This doesn't preclude the sequels from going multiplatform, but you've gotta wonder how much good it would do to bring sequels in an episodic series over to a system that never had the original. Especially when you consider that the sequels will carry over information from the first game regarding stats, character traits, decisions you made, etc.

Pliskin
10-12-2007, 07:08 PM
http://kotaku.com/gaming/mass-effect/mass-effect-confirmed-for-november-20-still-360-exclusive-310022.php

Mass Effect is still a 360 exclusive. This doesn't preclude the sequels from going multiplatform, but you've gotta wonder how much good it would do to bring sequels in an episodic series over to a system that never had the original. Especially when you consider that the sequels will carry over information from the first game regarding stats, character traits, decisions you made, etc.

DMC4

Anyway, keep in mind as well, this is the lameduck BioWare president claiming this. There's nothing preventing EA from doubling back on that now that they could even "publish" the first game under their name if they wanted.

Archelon
10-12-2007, 08:27 PM
DMC4

You forgot RE5.

But if you had read my post entirely, you would have understood that what I was saying didn't apply to series such as Devil May Cry or Resident Evil.

To refresh your memory:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/mass-effect/mass-effect-confirmed-for-november-20-still-360-exclusive-310022.php

Mass Effect is still a 360 exclusive. This doesn't preclude the sequels from going multiplatform, but you've gotta wonder how much good it would do to bring sequels in an episodic series over to a system that never had the original. Especially when you consider that the sequels will carry over information from the first game regarding stats, character traits, decisions you made, etc.

Neither the Devil May Cry nor the Resident Evil series share this feature.

Pliskin
10-12-2007, 10:17 PM
You forgot RE5.

But if you had read my post entirely, you would have understood that what I was saying didn't apply to series such as Devil May Cry or Resident Evil.

To refresh your memory:



Neither the Devil May Cry nor the Resident Evil series share this feature.

That sort of thing rarely gets carried over anyway. It was supposed to happen with Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights. If that's that best excuse, then its no excuse at all. Especially if Mass Effect is released later on other platforms.

Archelon
10-12-2007, 10:57 PM
If that's that best excuse, then its no excuse at all.

Or it could be used as an excuse to bring the first Mass Effect over to the PS3. I'm surprised you didn't figure that out already.

demifiend
10-12-2007, 11:37 PM
That sort of thing rarely gets carried over anyway. It was supposed to happen with Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights. If that's that best excuse, then its no excuse at all. Especially if Mass Effect is released later on other platforms.

Umm... to the best of my knowledge (pretty good, since I'm playing them now) Baldur's Gate data DOES carry over. In fact, if you have Throne of Bhaal installed when you finish Shadows of Amn, the game transitions into the expansion without even giving you a credits scene. Same thing with Neverwinter Nights. Explains how my brother went from a simple elf rogue in the humble city of Neverwinter to a blood-splattered hurricane of vengeance scouring the Nine Hells without ever changing a disc.

Pliskin
10-13-2007, 10:47 AM
Umm... to the best of my knowledge (pretty good, since I'm playing them now) Baldur's Gate data DOES carry over. In fact, if you have Throne of Bhaal installed when you finish Shadows of Amn, the game transitions into the expansion without even giving you a credits scene. Same thing with Neverwinter Nights. Explains how my brother went from a simple elf rogue in the humble city of Neverwinter to a blood-splattered hurricane of vengeance scouring the Nine Hells without ever changing a disc.

I think you misunderstood me. Originally you were going to be able to transfer data from Shadows of Amn/the expansion whose name escapes me, into the first Neverwinter Nights game.

http://nwn.bioware.com/support/techfaq.html


1.06: Can I import my character from the Baldur's Gate series? (Back to Top)

Initially we had hoped to transfer Baldur's Gate characters over to the Neverwinter Nights game but after working with the completely different rules, engine, graphics and character attributes, we could not see any purpose to stripping an old character of all items (as Neverwinter Nights starts the player at first level), all experience, all additional level bonuses and leaving them with just their name. We decided against the ability to transfer characters.

Quantum9
10-14-2007, 06:04 PM
DMC4

Anyway, keep in mind as well, this is the lameduck BioWare president claiming this. There's nothing preventing EA from doubling back on that now that they could even "publish" the first game under their name if they wanted.

Except Microsoft isn't that stupid. Likely they saw something like this coming, and got the rights to the Mass Effect name and series. Thus, they can continue the series, just not with Bioware at the helm. Since Obsidian did a fine enough job with KOTOR II, I can only assume they'd get the call.

Pliskin
10-14-2007, 09:35 PM
Except Microsoft isn't that stupid. Likely they saw something like this coming, and got the rights to the Mass Effect name and series. Thus, they can continue the series, just not with Bioware at the helm. Since Obsidian did a fine enough job with KOTOR II, I can only assume they'd get the call.

Except they didn't

http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=17827

its in the press-release regarding the whole thing too. EA payed the money for the IP's.

MS does not own the Gears of War IP, Epic does. What MS does have exclusivity rights for the first two Gears games, but you can bet your bottom dollar the 3rd game will be multiplatform.

Quantum9
10-15-2007, 01:45 PM
Except they didn't

http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=17827

its in the press-release regarding the whole thing too. EA payed the money for the IP's.

MS does not own the Gears of War IP, Epic does. What MS does have exclusivity rights for the first two Gears games, but you can bet your bottom dollar the 3rd game will be multiplatform.

Well, that proved me wrong. Yup, Mass Effect is probably going to PS3.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see EA pump out a stripped-down version for the PS2 and Wii.