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Pliskin
11-18-2007, 07:58 PM
Listening to a recent episode of 1upyours podcast, one of the most recent questions asked was, what franchises need to be put-down?

I'm going to add something to this and say, definitely no cop-outs. No Dynasty Warriors, etc. That's too easy.

My pick? Resident Evil. Its not Resident Evil anymore. The games would just be better served with different characters and not having any connection to the old survival horror classics of yore.

demifiend
11-18-2007, 08:09 PM
Isn't this just begging to become a flame war?

Bloodsin
11-18-2007, 08:31 PM
i actually completely agree with pliskin, resident evil isnt resident evil anymore. With the birth of 4, they basically trashed mostly everything with the first games and explained it in a paragraph. And how in fact did someone who was a cop for 1 day all of a sudden become the president's daughter's body guard. Dont get me wrong, the gameplay was good, but it wasnt resident evil.

TybaltFlux
11-18-2007, 09:23 PM
I agree entirely with Resident Evil. The story is great, so are the characters, and Wesker keeps everything interesting, but sometimes things just have to come to a close.

I'd like to extend that theory to any heavily story-oriented games with many installments, including (one of my favorites) Metal Gear Solid. I know Kojima is killing off Snake, but I don't want to see some cheaply reasoned Metal Gear Solid 5, sans Solid (Metal Gear Raiden?). Throw in Raiden, but give him a new reason to be.

Don't get me wrong: long, intertwining, in-depth stories are great, but the more you bring out, the more the risk in sabotaging the entire premise and overall quality/memorable-ness of a series.

CliffnCain
11-18-2007, 10:22 PM
Silent Hill. Most creatures that were meant for certain characters (bobble head nurses and Pyramid Head for James for example) are pretty thrown out the window and lost their purpose. I honestly dont see whats so cool about pyramid head... scary ass hell to see especially with the great sword but with the movie and a pyramid head looking thing in origins i think its time for it to end. Well unless 5 changes that.

Skyline Kyo
11-18-2007, 10:31 PM
The Sonic series...
The whole series has just gone downhill since the 3d days.

Blackjack Gabbi
11-18-2007, 11:29 PM
After 4 comes out, I'll probably say Street Fighter. Without a coherent villian, 3 was kinda pathetic.

Leishu
11-19-2007, 12:02 AM
Honestly?

I love em, and have been playing since Soul Edge, but Soul Calibur needs to end. It just got too wonky when they started having less and less cohesion, and letting McFarlane doing anything at all with it.

Bloodsin
11-19-2007, 01:17 AM
Theres actually a reason for having nurses in all the SH's but u really have to look into the storyline.

Simmaria
11-19-2007, 01:52 AM
id say resident evil. im glad 4 killed off the overdone, overused, umbrella arc. im glad 4 killed off the terrible controls and camera angles. but with the series creator gone from capcom, all they are going to do now is screw it up.4 brilliantly rebirthed the series, but when a creator leaves a franchise they created i dont see anyone, especially capcom ever topping it. its like someone else deciding to write more harry potter books.

Quantum9
11-19-2007, 02:09 AM
My pick? Resident Evil. Its not Resident Evil anymore. The games would just be better served with different characters and not having any connection to the old survival horror classics of yore.

I believe that we in the old country would call this "flamebait".

Ororo Howlett
11-19-2007, 03:23 AM
Final Fantasy and Dynasty Warriors.

*waits for the swarm*

darkdjinn
11-19-2007, 07:47 AM
Final Fantasy and Dynasty Warriors.

*waits for the swarm*

As much as I love DW5, Just how many times can you re-tell the 3 Kingdoms Era story and make EVERY general ever involved above a cannon fodder peon a playable character with a lavish, brightly colored costume they actually have to fight in? *stating the obvious* Am I in agreement that more soldiers on the field at once, better voiceovers, graphics, etc. can't always save an overused concept?

As far as the Final Fantasy series goes, Square Enix is in remake mode now, but my guess is when FF14 comes around, damn near anything is possible as long as a moogle dances, a chocobo warks, and a potion heals exactly 100 HP. Sticking to the Ivalice theme would be cool. It'd be great to see a game that linked the three relevant Ivalice games (FFT, Vagrant Story, FF12, but not FFTA) into one historically accurate title leaving nothing out (like that will happen).

In my opinion, the best way to end the series is the "full circle" scenario. Legacy of Kain: Defiance ended well referencing all characters, but still left one thing left to do, even though I doubt a new game will be made to resolve it.

There is a chance the Metal Gear series could have life after Solid Snake if they reference NO PAST CHARACTERS at all. Or heck, maybe you could be Olga's child set in the future.
MGS: Guns of the Patriots better end with nothing left to do or else it just won't be the same without Solid Snake. Unless the big twist is they find a way to pull a Liquid and attach Solid's left nut to Otakon or Raiden or something so the series can move on.

Heh, I think Snake is rendered sterile due to be cloned if I am not mistaken, so he can jam Meryl til Old Snake has a FOXDIE heart attack, there just better not be a sequel!)

J0llyBoots
11-19-2007, 09:46 AM
I agree with the Sonic series, and Soul Calibur series. Everything Sonic after The first on dreamcast(and that wasn't even THAT good) is just rubbish. No story, horrible gameplay, just blech. Soul Calibur is one of my favorite games, but SC3 didn't stand up to SC2 at all. 3 tried something different with the campaign mode, and didn't do too horrilby, but it had one of the worst stories I've ever heard. Not that the Soul Calibur stories were great to begin with, but still lol.

Cayomi
11-19-2007, 10:55 AM
I think they should stop making Dragonball Z video games, they have been coming out for a very long time now, there have been about 258620562 (not really that many) of them, and the series itself is getting old. Also, I think they should stop Spyro and Crash Bandicoot. That's my 2-cents though.

Anna
11-19-2007, 11:24 AM
I'm tired of seeing friggn' "such and such" tycoon games.

They were kind of cool in the 90's, but now the whole gimmick is so played out I don't really see why they still do it.

Danzikumaru
11-19-2007, 11:44 AM
Guilty Gear X, but it seems I got that wish. After Overture, can we have a fresh 2D GG game plz?

Mesoian
11-19-2007, 12:31 PM
The Sonic series...
The whole series has just gone downhill since the 3d days.

Not entirely true. The GBA games were very good, and the Rush series is on par with games like Sonic 2.

But yeah, all 3d sonics since Adventure 2 have been straight garbage.

Honestly though, Franchises that need to end? Legend of Zelda.

I think that we can all agree that OOT was the pinnacle of that series (Some would argue that TOOT was the highpoint but whatever). The point is every game after OOT seems like a tired rehash of what OOT set out to do. I know I can't be the only one who got to the temple of light in Twilight Princess and said, "Alright, enough. When is this going to end?". Either inject the series with some innovation or just do something else. Because Phantom Hourglass was pretty embarrassing, and the lovely GBA games were all done by capcom.

Zonemagorgo
11-19-2007, 12:49 PM
The Megaman series, its no longer anything close to what it used to be. Theres also the Warcraft series, World of Warcraft is a commercialized POS that doesnt have any real aspect of a good RPG, they should have stayed with RTS games and stuff like diablo. Now I will agree that WoW was a decent game the first year running, but with all the patches and making the game easier for all to play is a joke. But Blizzard has a way of ruining thier own games, SoJ's, Medics in Starcraft, blah blah blah. But thats what happens when you put a corporate yuppies in the seat that doesnt know gaming from a hole in the ground. As for the Final Fantasy series I can agree that its getting ridiculous, but if they went back to the old storylines from FF6 I think it would be awsome. And the Zelda series also, the next one will probably be so easy they will make it a babies toy.

Pliskin
11-19-2007, 06:38 PM
I believe that we in the old country would call this "flamebait".

I'm not the only one that feels that way apparently, you'd know that had you read the responses. concession accepted

demifiend
11-21-2007, 11:46 PM
i actually completely agree with pliskin, resident evil isnt resident evil anymore. With the birth of 4, they basically trashed mostly everything with the first games and explained it in a paragraph. And how in fact did someone who was a cop for 1 day all of a sudden become the president's daughter's body guard. Dont get me wrong, the gameplay was good, but it wasnt resident evil.

Well, they're explaining what happened to Umbrella in the Umbrella Chronicles for the Wii. Yay!
As for Leon, well, he was a cop for a day in one city, seven or so years pass, and he gets a job with the secret service? Maybe news of him surviving a man-made hell on earth got out and a government agency or two thought about giving him a paycheck.
It's certainly not as absurd as Jill Valentine's story. She did time with... Delta Force? And she was... 24? I'm afraid thats a little too much time to build up an impressive enough resume in the U.S. special forces to be selected for such an elite group.
Plus, she's a woman, which places her chances of special forces service at absolute zero.
As for series that should end, since this discussion is rather civil, I'll say Grand Theft Auto. I'm firmly of the belief that an "open world with an incredible amount of content" means "the same thing over and over again". And I think they're running out of crime movies to rip their stories off of.

Pliskin
11-21-2007, 11:50 PM
Well, they're explaining what happened to Umbrella in the Umbrella Chronicles for the Wii. Yay!
As for Leon, well, he was a cop for a day in one city, seven or so years pass, and he gets a job with the secret service? Maybe news of him surviving a man-made hell on earth got out and a government agency or two thought about giving him a paycheck.
It's certainly not as absurd as Jill Valentine's story. She did time with... Delta Force? And she was... 24? I'm afraid thats a little too much time to build up an impressive enough resume in the U.S. special forces to be selected for such an elite group.
Plus, she's a woman, which places her chances of special forces service at absolute zero.

I'd have much rather seen Umbrella Chronicles as a full-fledged game, instead of a light-gun game. Also a PERFECT way to get everyone caught-up to RE5 on all the consoles, but unfortunately, I think Capcom dropped the ball on that one.

As for series that should end, since this discussion is rather civil, I'll say Grand Theft Auto. I'm firmly of the belief that an "open world with an incredible amount of content" means "the same thing over and over again". And I think they're running out of crime movies to rip their stories off of.

Gotta agree there. For what its worth, GTA games have some of the most atrocious controls, and are almost as buggy as Assassin's Creed, but they sell like hotcakes. I, for one, am much much much more interested in LA Noire (they're actually using real crimes and events from newspapers of the period for events and cases in the game).

Serria
11-22-2007, 06:08 PM
I'm gonna be specific - Final Fantasy VII. The original is one of my favorite video games of all time, but all of these spinoffs make my head spin.

Not the Final Fantasy series as a whole though. In my eyes they're all independent and well thought out RPGs that stand alone in story and gameplay.

I also want Mario Party to end, or at least wait five years before making a new one.

TybaltFlux
11-22-2007, 06:12 PM
I also want Mario Party to end, or at least wait five years before making a new one.

Wow, how did none of us call this earlier? ;P

It's the American Idol paradigm- just give us a break for a bit, please, and stop giving away stars for the dumbest reasons. Let that last phrase apply to whatever you please.

CliffnCain
11-22-2007, 10:37 PM
Madden.

Seriously sooner or later there gonna run out of "new features" to put into this game and it'll just literally be the same game over and over which it is

Cayomi
11-22-2007, 11:20 PM
Madden.

Seriously sooner or later there gonna run out of "new features" to put into this game and it'll just literally be the same game over and over which it is

No chance of Madden ending anytime soon. It is more popular than ever right now. To the point that they have a TV show about Madden tournaments. Anyways, it should end, but it wont.

Deathfire
11-22-2007, 11:37 PM
Madden.

Seriously sooner or later there gonna run out of "new features" to put into this game and it'll just literally be the same game over and over which it is

lol I was going to say the exact same thing about Halo...^^' sorry fans...but I dunno...after 3...4, 5, 6...how much more "new" can you get?

Final Fantasy. As much as I love few from the series and the fact that all of them are a different game and storyline in and of itself, I really feel like all these random FF games that are coming out (or have come out already) (Before Crisis, Crisis Core, Dissidia, Dirge of Cerberus, FF X-2) are just for the money. I don't see much of the authenticity of the older FFs anymore. After FFXI and FFXII I think Squeenix is getting a bit TOO experimental with its games...V_V; either get better or stop the franchise.

I haven't played the games...but just curiousity...How many more .hack games are they going to make? (and as far as I've seen...the graphics haven't got any better...>_>; )

Quantum9
11-22-2007, 11:48 PM
I really think it's time for a break from Halo. Microsoft has basically used the series as a crutch, and it's time to really show what the company can do on its own. After Halo Wars, I say we give the series a rest, and we don't see Halo 4 until the launch of the Xbox 720, at least.

Michi
11-23-2007, 06:51 AM
King of Fighters Maximum Impact. And maybe the main KOF series itself, too. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge KOF fan, but the new games just feel so rehashed and it doesn't have the old charm whatsoever these days. :( It needs one final great game and then it can quietly go away and they can do more compilations like the Orochi Saga PS2 game (which I wish would come to America!), hehe.

Mecha Galaxy
11-23-2007, 10:36 AM
I haven't played the games...but just curiousity...How many more .hack games are they going to make? (and as far as I've seen...the graphics haven't got any better...>_>; )

As far as I know this is it. The third volume of G.U. came out a couple months ago.

Personally, I feel that there is a definite improvement in visual quaility between the original 4 .hack// and the 3 .hack//G.U. games.

Eurobeat King
11-23-2007, 12:48 PM
As popular/unpopular and liked/disliked the anime series Naruto has become, I'm tired of all the games coming out for the systems. Granted, they're popular at anime convention video-game rooms, it's like there's a new game popping out every so often. Quite similar to those DBZ games mentioned earlier..

Bloodsin
11-23-2007, 05:39 PM
Its funny that u mention halo should end, well if u actually looked into it, the series ended with 3.

Pliskin
11-23-2007, 07:51 PM
Its funny that u mention halo should end, well if u actually looked into it, the series ended with 3.

I wouldn't call 3 an ending, especially with that sequelish ending.

AJ the Collector
11-23-2007, 10:05 PM
As much as I absolutely love Final Fantasy, I'm beginning to wish it would end.

The series has gone downhill since X-2's release, and the only good FF game since then was FF12. Plus we've got Tetsuya Nomura with his Gackt obsession and his zippers-and-belts fetish designing every character, and music composers who are nowhere near as good as Nobuo.

The last good FF was 10. The last epic one was 9. The only good one they've made since 2001 is 12. FF needs to end.

Quantum9
11-23-2007, 11:52 PM
As much as I absolutely love Final Fantasy, I'm beginning to wish it would end.

The series has gone downhill since X-2's release, and the only good FF game since then was FF12. Plus we've got Tetsuya Nomura with his Gackt obsession and his zippers-and-belts fetish designing every character, and music composers who are nowhere near as good as Nobuo.

The last good FF was 10. The last epic one was 9. The only good one they've made since 2001 is 12. FF needs to end.

Ain't happening. As much as it's hated, it's still the most popular RPG series on the planet. FFXIII will sell PS3s, like it or not.

TransurrealisTristan
11-24-2007, 08:59 PM
I'd like to start by saying the blasted Pokemon series has got to end.Every game recycles the whole 'Catch em all,defeat the 8 gyms,Elite 4,ebil Team of doom,capture legendaries...'....Just burn Pikachu to the stake already!

Sonic,I agree has to go.Crash Bandicoot as well.Spyro?Totally.Just kick that sucker right off.

Hmm...I would say Jak and Daxter/Sly Cooper,but I haven't seen any of those games on the shelves lately.Guess they're gone now.

DDR must die...it is not working with the same old,same old formula.Gosh...kill it already!

Michi
11-24-2007, 11:01 PM
I'd like to start by saying the blasted Pokemon series has got to end.Every game recycles the whole 'Catch em all,defeat the 8 gyms,Elite 4,ebil Team of doom,capture legendaries...'....Just burn Pikachu to the stake already!

Pokemon is still insanely popular in Japan -- the anime is still airing new episodes every week, you can still find merchandise everywhere, the little kids still LOVE it, etc -- so that's not going to happen. XD

Though I admit when I played Ruby/Sapphire I was pretty disenchanted with the series. It wasn't the same charm from when I played the earlier GameBoy Color games. I heard that FireRed/LeafGreen returned to this charm and that the brand new ones are good too though, so I haven't given up my faith in Pokemon myself just yet.

TybaltFlux
11-25-2007, 12:01 AM
Pokemon is still insanely popular in Japan -- the anime is still airing new episodes every week, you can still find merchandise everywhere, the little kids still LOVE it, etc -- so that's not going to happen. XD

Though I admit when I played Ruby/Sapphire I was pretty disenchanted with the series. It wasn't the same charm from when I played the earlier GameBoy Color games. I heard that FireRed/LeafGreen returned to this charm and that the brand new ones are good too though, so I haven't given up my faith in Pokemon myself just yet.

I felt the exact same way about the third generation, but the DS games, in my opinion, revitalized the series in so manyways.

I will admit that for the core games, the formula is repeated over and over. At the same time, it's the familiarity, blended with new Pokemon, that makes the games great.

As far as generational games go, I don't think anyone has mentioned sports titles. They should end (or at least in some form). It's the age-old argument that each yearly installment is just an expansion- it REALLY is. With the ever-increasing availability of the internetz on video games, they should just sell the content at a cheaper price for a core sports title. It just makes more sense.

Pliskin
11-25-2007, 09:41 AM
Another for me, Zelda.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2608-Zero-Punctuation-Zelda-Phantom-Hourglass

As Yahtzee said in all his wisdom

"odds are good you'll always be the same bloody guy saving the same bloody girl with the same bloody boomerang."

GyrfalconAH64D
11-25-2007, 11:05 AM
Another for me, Zelda.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2608-Zero-Punctuation-Zelda-Phantom-Hourglass

As Yahtzee said in all his wisdom

"odds are good you'll always be the same bloody guy saving the same bloody girl with the same bloody boomerang."

lol that video was halarious!

Deathfire
11-25-2007, 07:05 PM
I'd like to start by saying the blasted Pokemon series has got to end.Every game recycles the whole 'Catch em all,defeat the 8 gyms,Elite 4,ebil Team of doom,capture legendaries...'....Just burn Pikachu to the stake already!

Sonic,I agree has to go.Crash Bandicoot as well.Spyro?Totally.Just kick that sucker right off.

Hmm...I would say Jak and Daxter/Sly Cooper,but I haven't seen any of those games on the shelves lately.Guess they're gone now.

DDR must die...it is not working with the same old,same old formula.Gosh...kill it already!

DX agh nooo!!! not DDR!

lol I do admit that the songs have been sucking on the newer releases, but I feel that the "formula" never really gets old...unless you're like...super awesome at it and wished there was a song with a thousand feet on it or something...XDDD;

Just an observation but...aside from the Wii, there's a lot of "hands-on" games that are extremely popular nowadays, such as DDR...and esp. Guitar Hero...I have friend that don't even like video games that love those types of games...x_x; I'm thinking that video games are not going to be for certain fans...it'll be for the whole damn world in the next few years...

AJ the Collector
11-27-2007, 03:49 PM
Ain't happening. As much as it's hated, it's still the most popular RPG series on the planet. FFXIII will sell PS3s, like it or not.

This isn't about PS3's though. This is about FF needing to end after XIII.

allthatsgeek
11-27-2007, 04:13 PM
But it is about PS3's in fact. FF is the biggest RPG franchise in the history of RPG's,and it is a system mover, so releasing a new FF game on the PS3 will move systems, regardless of how "downhill" the series have been going, it is going to sell like hotcakes.

Cadmium Polyphony
11-27-2007, 04:35 PM
As a fervent communist, I think most franchises should end.

But failing that, Madden.

I'd say FF series, and a few others, but most of you have already picked 'em, so it kind of goes without saying at this point.

Tekken should also be obliterated. Either add something 'new' with the each game, or just stop.

Same as Soul Blade/Calibur series/Dead or Alive series.

If I want to see titties jiggle while being high-kicked in the face, or get choked with a flailed, whip-blade, I'd just piss off my girlfriend.

AJ the Collector
11-27-2007, 06:23 PM
Tekken should also be obliterated. Either add something 'new' with the each game, or just stop.

Agreed. Tekken got boring back when they decided "Let's make the next game a remake of Tekken 5". And Tekken 6, quite frankly, looks rather uninteresting in terms of new features.

Same as Soul Blade/Calibur series/Dead or Alive series.

If I want to see titties jiggle while being high-kicked in the face, or get choked with a flailed, whip-blade, I'd just piss off my girlfriend.

Once again, agreed completely.

FinalEVA
11-27-2007, 07:41 PM
But it is about PS3's in fact. FF is the biggest RPG franchise in the history of RPG's,and it is a system mover, so releasing a new FF game on the PS3 will move systems, regardless of how "downhill" the series have been going, it is going to sell like hotcakes.

QFT. Dragon Quest is really big as well, but only in Japan. Halo moves 360s, FF / MGS / GT will move PS3s, and well the Wii seems to move itself just for being a Wii.


The one franchise I really dislike is Halo (/Flameshield). I think it has more to do with the whole culture around it than the game itself (which is mediocre to above average IMO). Being a 360 owner and a Halo hater is hard to manage sometimes.

I don't mind Final Fantasy, but some of its older features need to be re-established (like flyable airships, world maps, ATB random battles). I think FF 13 is restoring the first two mentioned.

CountMetal
02-07-2008, 08:56 AM
One Piece hasn't made any good video games lately and they should end their gaming franchise. This all started ever since One Piece was brought to the US.

Naraku's wish
02-07-2008, 02:31 PM
Agreed. Tekken got boring back when they decided "Let's make the next game a remake of Tekken 5". And Tekken 6, quite frankly, looks rather uninteresting in terms of new features.



Once again, agreed completely.

I disagree about the doa series, it has had only two games that most gamers recognize. Number 4 being the starting point for DOA. 1,2,3 out of the math :).

FF!!! And Pokemans, fun fun fun but I don't know how much more neopet ripoffs I can take.
Devil May Cry,
Call of Duty.
Anything with Battlefield in it.
I believe we need Less Sonic Games too/

Arc_The_Lad
02-07-2008, 08:52 PM
EA sports games.

CountMetal
02-12-2008, 02:02 PM
The only thing that they should do with sports games is to have downloads where you can update the software with up to date rosters and rules rather than releasing the game every year.

MaryRyanBogard
02-14-2008, 07:05 AM
King of Fighters Maximum Impact. And maybe the main KOF series itself, too. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge KOF fan, but the new games just feel so rehashed and it doesn't have the old charm whatsoever these days. :(

I honestly think KoF should've ended with '98, and taken "Fatal Fury" (which I think was up to "Real Bout 2" at that point) with it. The KoF and Fatal Fury games made beyond that point just seemed like they'd slapped the names on them so they'd sell.

I'd also say no more Capcom crossovers (with SNK, Marvel, or anything else), but that franchise may have already died (dare I hope it?).

darkdjinn
02-14-2008, 08:13 AM
Tekken should also be obliterated. Either add something 'new' with the each game, or just stop. Same as Soul Blade/Calibur series/Dead or Alive series.

If I want to see titties jiggle while being high-kicked in the face, or get choked with a flailed, whip-blade, I'd just piss off my girlfriend.

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