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Oshi
12-13-2007, 12:15 PM
What's this, a followup to Final Fantasy 4? Decendant of Cecil goes back to the moon?
Boy I would love to play that!

Wait, what did you say? It's only for Japanese cellphones?
Hey Square, fuck you!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216571

4ng31
12-13-2007, 12:23 PM
Wow...another cell phone game. I'm sure glad Square is busting their ass in the development department...you know, seeing as XIII and Versus XIII are what, 10% and 1% finished now?

Yeah, pumping out even more ports to cell phones and the DS is exactly what they need to be concerned with...

Quantum9
12-13-2007, 11:45 PM
Square, perhaps with the only exceptions of Nintendo and EA, have become the company most guilty of the "printing money" complex. That is, making games as cheap and as with little effort as possible, sticking a popular name or gimmick onto them, and watch the cash roll in.

Of course, since this all goes into funding epics like FFXIII/Vs. XIII, then I can see why they'd go this route.

Master1080
12-13-2007, 11:49 PM
Ugh. SquarEnix has gone the way of Disney. They should leave their timeless masterpieces alone... Or at least make it for a more popular platform so the rest of the world can play it.

FinalEVA
12-14-2007, 12:01 AM
FF4 seemed final as it is. I'm not minding the remake, but this is just ughh.

In some ways, I can't blame SE's new strategy. The Japanese market for games has taken a different turn than before. It appears the new generation isn't into all the hardcore games like before and "games" like Wii-fit and Brain Age are really hot on the market.

I would like Square Enix to have some more original ideas and I'm sure they would like to too. But, these days new IPs for jRPGs and Japanese hardcore games bomb left and right. Only old IPs are still selling decently.

Big PS3 (or 360) large scale projects aren't going to provide the big profits that they once did.

On another note, I wouldn't be surprised if there are people out there trying to make emulators for all these mobile games.

Michi
12-14-2007, 01:53 AM
Was the language really necessary, Oshi? :p

Cell phone games keep getting produced because they're insanely popular in Japan. EVERYONE has a cell phone, and most everyone has a train commute where they can sit and play games or text on their cell. Hence, companies like Square Enix will make cell phone games that are exclusive to Japan.

I dunno. I think it's a cool idea, especially because FFIV DS will have just come out and the IV hype will be back for a while. I don't own a cell phone here, though. :(

Zashi
12-14-2007, 01:56 AM
I would love to play this game. But as in the past, it probably wont make it Stateside, so thats kind of a bummer. I cant wait for FFIV on the DS!

darkdjinn
12-14-2007, 10:16 AM
What's this, a followup to Final Fantasy 4? Decendant of Cecil goes back to the moon?
Boy I would love to play that!

Wait, what did you say? It's only for Japanese cellphones?
Hey Square, fuck you!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216571

Quote of the day...

FF4 seemed final as it is. I'm not minding the remake, but this is just ughh.

On another note, I wouldn't be surprised if there are people out there trying to make emulators for all these mobile games.

Ughh seconded. This was my fave FF of all time which ended happily... and now a sequel? I say they better make Golbez playable.

As far as emu goes, I'm sure Zophar.net will have cell phone emulators eventually since they have emus for everything else imaginable (even TI calculators, great for college kids with laptops who choose not to shell an extra $100 or so for the power calculator).

Let's see, what else could SE do to whore themselves...
FF6 3D remake for DS or PSP(similar to FF3)
---Followed by prequel on Blackbury's only, FF6 - Before the Ruin, detailing Maduin's struggle with the birth of Terra, full Shadow/Strago/Relm backstory, and Sabin's beginning martial arts training.
FF7 PS3 remake with Advent Children rendering. (settle down people, this is all a joke.)

And finally, coming in 2010, they think of a way to actually link EVERY FF game together on a 3 HD-DVD set, including all Ivalice Adventures, explaining plate techtonics for how the maps for each game change, thorough theories on the rise and fall of knowledge and usage of magic and airship technology (hopefully explaining why a level 1 character can't just grind monsters or gamble gil to the point of being able to buy his own damn boat or airship, travel to the greatest city on the planet, then purchase the greatest armor protection possible in the game within 2 hours time?) find a boat to the greatest , and even the evolution of monsters (friendlies like chocobos and moogles and meanies like cactuars and tonberrys) and and how they can't seem to get any stronger, only more detailed.

Anna
12-14-2007, 12:24 PM
I don't really blame all of the recent milking of the FF cash cow as much on Square as I do Enix.

When they merged it was a legal absorption of SQUARE, and a continuation of ENIX. There are still a good number of people from Squaresoft in the company, but I've found the quality of their games to have really gone down since than. They've had about the same number of sequels/game ports in the past four years than SquareSoft had in it's 20 years of being a company.

TheAnarCHris
12-16-2007, 10:51 PM
The minute I read about a 3rd, cell phone only Chrono game, I'm going on shooting spree. Alert your local high schools and shopping malls. And Japan. ALL OF IT!!!


But not for nothing, can we just get some killer FF4 Play Art figures and call it a day. I'd kill oprhans to get a Kain figure in scale with Squall, Cloud and the other FF character chilling on my desk.

And FF6. I need some Locke and Shadow figures something fierce....

4ng31
12-16-2007, 11:37 PM
Big PS3 (or 360) large scale projects aren't going to provide the big profits that they once did.

In Japan...I'd say 2007 was a big year for big-budget games here in the US, with titles like Halo 3, Bioshock, CoD4, and the GH/RB series all pushing million plus sales in a short amount of time.

But the fact that games like the FF and KH series sell as well, if not better in some cases, in the US as Japan, it's kind of an insult to American gamers. To have XIII/Versus XIII placed on the back-burner for new cell phone games...

Call me greedy, but I don't really care. I'll continue to feed my western taste while companies like SquareEnix keep pissing around with games like these.

FinalEVA
12-17-2007, 01:36 AM
I don't really blame all of the recent milking of the FF cash cow as much on Square as I do Enix.

When they merged it was a legal absorption of SQUARE, and a continuation of ENIX. There are still a good number of people from Squaresoft in the company, but I've found the quality of their games to have really gone down since than. They've had about the same number of sequels/game ports in the past four years than SquareSoft had in it's 20 years of being a company.

Square needs a good competitor, and I'm hoping Level 5 will be that competitor (If you look at the White Knight Chronicles trailer for PS3, it looks sweet). Enix and Square used to be at it and that's why DQ and FF were both so good. The spin-off era began after Spirits Within movie - not a good time in Square's history. All of the sudden, FF X-2 appeared out of the blew. They were porting games to other consoles for a while in Japan. I think FF6 came to the Wonderswan Color as well?

The minute I read about a 3rd, cell phone only Chrono game, I'm going on shooting spree. Alert your local high schools and shopping malls. And Japan. ALL OF IT!!!


But not for nothing, can we just get some killer FF4 Play Art figures and call it a day. I'd kill oprhans to get a Kain figure in scale with Squall, Cloud and the other FF character chilling on my desk.

And FF6. I need some Locke and Shadow figures something fierce....

I did run into this while I was looking at Kotaku. http://kotaku.com/gaming/toys/final-fantasy-iv-trading-arts-mini-figs-arrive-334415.php
I think this is a better strategy than spinoffs.

In Japan...I'd say 2007 was a big year for big-budget games here in the US, with titles like Halo 3, Bioshock, CoD4, and the GH/RB series all pushing million plus sales in a short amount of time.

But the fact that games like the FF and KH series sell as well, if not better in some cases, in the US as Japan, it's kind of an insult to American gamers. To have XIII/Versus XIII placed on the back-burner for new cell phone games...

Call me greedy, but I don't really care. I'll continue to feed my western taste while companies like SquareEnix keep pissing around with games like these.

They will need some Halo 3 style marketing when FF XIII a month before it comes out to sell the millions of copies. If I don't see "Lightning" Dew, I will be disappointed. Sony / Square needs to put as much money into the marketing, if not more, than the development.

I'm craving for some nice HD jRPGs now. I guess Lost Odyssey will do for a while when it gets here in February.

Michi
12-17-2007, 08:12 AM
I don't really blame all of the recent milking of the FF cash cow as much on Square as I do Enix.

When they merged it was a legal absorption of SQUARE, and a continuation of ENIX. There are still a good number of people from Squaresoft in the company, but I've found the quality of their games to have really gone down since than. They've had about the same number of sequels/game ports in the past four years than SquareSoft had in it's 20 years of being a company.

Okay, the one thing I can't stand is when people blame the Final Fantasy/other Square series going downhill on Enix. If I sound a little angry here, I'm sorry. I'm just really sick of hearing it.

Come on. Enix saved Square from going bankrupt from their own bad decisions. Square already had their sequels and other ideas in the works BEFORE the merger. Ports were already coming out beforehand as well. How would Enix have anything to do with it anyway? The staff didn't change. All of the big names in the credits on Final Fantasy games are the same.
Can someone really say that some bigwig originally from Enix at the top is telling them to crap up their games, and for no reason not saying the same for the original Enix properties? I don't get that. They aren't competing anymore. Nobody needs to make Final Fantasy look bad and Dragon Quest look better, or something. The sales go to the same place.

Even so, what evidence is there? Enix never shoved out port after port of its own games, and the quality hasn't gone anywhere but up. There were a few remakes, but they made sense and they didn't keep making them. They were often always enhanced, whereas I'd challenge anyone to tell me the major, significant and justifiable differences between every port we keep getting of the first two Final Fantasy games.

Examples: Final Fantasy X-2 was in development way before, and was released very soon after, the merger -- that leaves no time for Enix to have anything to do with it. A lot of the sequel/compilation ideas for Final Fantasy VII, for one, seem to all stem from Tetsuya Nomura. Was he ever working on Enix games? No.

I just don't get where this is coming from. Please explain aside from just "well it's because it started after the merger"? I'm not trying to be rude; I'm honestly curious.

Square needs a good competitor, and I'm hoping Level 5 will be that competitor (If you look at the White Knight Chronicles trailer for PS3, it looks sweet). Enix and Square used to be at it and that's why DQ and FF were both so good. The spin-off era began after Spirits Within movie - not a good time in Square's history. All of the sudden, FF X-2 appeared out of the blew. They were porting games to other consoles for a while in Japan. I think FF6 came to the Wonderswan Color as well?

Considering Level 5 helps with development of Square Enix's properties (they did Dragon Quest VIII and are working on Dragon Quest IX now, for example), I don't see how they'd end up competing very strongly. :thumbsup:

FF6 has only been remade for PlayStation and GBA, so no. I'd also like to point out that the first FF6 port came years before the merger. I think the GBA port was a lot smarter since it's nice to have solid RPGs in portable form. :)

FinalEVA
12-17-2007, 08:28 PM
Considering Level 5 helps with development of Square Enix's properties (they did Dragon Quest VIII and are working on Dragon Quest IX now, for example), I don't see how they'd end up competing very strongly. :thumbsup:

FF6 has only been remade for PlayStation and GBA, so no. I'd also like to point out that the first FF6 port came years before the merger. I think the GBA port was a lot smarter since it's nice to have solid RPGs in portable form. :)

Sorry, I got it wrong - FF4 was the one that came to WSC. I was trying to make the same point that Square has been porting for a long time. Looking over the Square history, I saw they ported FF1 to the MSX2 in '89:)

I knew that L5 developed for SE for DQ (did a really good job too), but they also develop under Sony and Nintendo as well, right? Is the Prof. Layton series published under Nintendo, or someone else?

Mistwalker / MS could be a competitor, but I'm not sure if MS can even give their consoles away in Japan.

Eva Yui
12-18-2007, 11:55 AM
I'm one of the ones not surprised about yet another jap/cellphone only game. A majority of asian youth uses near 100% of their income on the latest gadgets, brand name clothing, ect. Cellphones come in larger variety overseas. Say we get about 80 new models to their 300+ (I don't remeber the exact numbers. I'm basing this off a read I did in Time mag). If we don't have the technology, let alone any other reason...none of us can play these sweet mobile games.

TheAnarCHris
12-18-2007, 11:08 PM
Those chibis are super cute FE, but with Dissendia coming out, I demand in scale Play Arts to re-create baddassery in my room.

But yeah, Squenix needs a Japanese Activision to oppose their EA (or is that the other way around nowadays). Mistwalker hasn't made much of dent in SE's profits (developing for the 360 in Japan was a GENIUS move ::rolls eyes:::), Monolith is now a part of Nintendo, and level 5 would be a issue if it wasn't chummy-chummy with Enix. Maybe one of these days.

But Enix isn't the reason we're getting an insane of FF ports/remakes/spinoffs (The only thing Enix can be really blame for is a lot of the old talent leaving Square post merger, not wanting to deal with Enix brass, or something to do with honor.) It's because they sell. None of the ports/remakes have sold poorly, despite questionable quality. So there's some demand out there. That and EternalStar said, cellphone games are super popular in J-land.

Also, how come no one's mention the assload of Squenix stuff we're getting Feb-April? DQ Swords? Crystal Chronicels for the DS? Crisis Core? The End of the World blah blah blah? I kinda want those all.....or at least English verisions of the later.

Michi
12-18-2007, 11:17 PM
Also, how come no one's mention the assload of Squenix stuff we're getting Feb-April? DQ Swords? Crystal Chronicels for the DS? Crisis Core? The End of the World blah blah blah? I kinda want those all.....or at least English verisions of the later.

If by "End of the World" you mean the It's a Wonderful World game, there's already a thread for it. If somebody doesn't beat me to it, I'm sure to make a Dragon Quest Swords thread once I get back to the States and start hyping up for the English release.

And dude, you should know very well that there's a thread relating to Crisis Core. :p

Dragon Quest IV for DS just came out here a few weeks ago. I was gonna make a thread but realized nobody else cares about import only DQ games, so I'll wait until an American release is announced. XD;