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BooDestroyer
12-13-2007, 09:36 PM
As in, what if it WASN'T a joke by EGM?

I think it would be rather interesting to see Mario meet Mickey, to say the least. Not to mention that's more sensible than Disney with FF.

Rinoa07
12-14-2007, 02:53 AM
How odd...I was just thinking of this a little while ago..Not necessarily about what if it actually happened, but about the "advert" in EGM...

Spooky.

BooDestroyer
12-14-2007, 01:42 PM
For one, Square + Disney has always seemed completely ridiculous to begin with. It's the kind of thing that one would make when drunk, eating magic mushrooms, and doing every smokable drug possible.

Rinoa07
12-14-2007, 07:08 PM
I think it had more to do with the characters from Square as opposed to the worlds they come from, because if you notice, Sora never actually goes to a world from the Final Fantasy Series, only Disney worlds (no pun intended). The characters are quite 3-dementional. That is to say that there is depth and personality to Final Fantasy characters (a good deal of them, anyways. there always exceptions), not to mention almost everyone is familiar with them.

With Nintendo characters, there isn't always as much depth (that isn't to say there isn't any) and a good deal of the characters many don't necessarily relate to Nintendo.

I have to say though, Geno from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars would be a must in Mushroom Kingdom Hearts...And Toad..."I'm sorry, the princess is in another castle!" would just work so perfectly when looking for Kairi ^_^, plus, Toad is just plain adorable!

demifiend
12-14-2007, 09:07 PM
For one, Square + Disney has always seemed completely ridiculous to begin with. It's the kind of thing that one would make when drunk, eating magic mushrooms, and doing every smokable drug possible.

You know, you just described some of the greatest works of fantasy literature, right?
I think it would be awesome. And I don't even really like Nintendo. Oh well.

Ludger03
12-14-2007, 11:26 PM
I have to say though, Geno from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars would be a must in Mushroom Kingdom Hearts...And Toad..."I'm sorry, the princess is in another castle!" would just work so perfectly when looking for Kairi ^_^, plus, Toad is just plain adorable!

Consider that FF7 people also involved with the creation of Super Mario RPG.
I can't see Disney with nintendo. Square+ Nintendo yeah i can see it, expecially having fun with Mario 3 on 3 game and see a moogle pass the ball.

BooDestroyer
12-15-2007, 12:37 PM
Bahahaha, the only reason Square+Disney and Square+Nintendo "work" and "make sense" is because they actually exist.

Look around again, we've also got us another "overly bizarre happening" in Smash. An uncanny character like Solid Snake appearing in there.

And I'm pretty sure lots of people want to see Mario meet Mickey and so on.

Yeah, you (http://egfelixdcg.deviantart.com/art/The-Videogame-Mirror-58099500) wanna (http://aeolus06.deviantart.com/art/mickey-and-mario-31777990) bet (http://rock-raider.deviantart.com/art/The-2-Big-Ms-Of-Entertainment-57677027)?

Not without its other reasons:

a. Both are pioneers in their respective industries.
b. Disney's cast is just as colorful as Nintendo's (see for yourself).

YunaSakura3000
12-15-2007, 11:07 PM
It's hard for me to think about Mickey meeting Mario but it would be interesting to see. Only some of the characters I could see that would "fit in": Toad, Princess Peach and Princess Daisy. Toad would just be so adorable and he could easily fit in with the disney crowd. Peach and Daisy are both princesses so they instanly fit in with the "Disney Princess" crowd but then we would have two Daisys/Daisies.

Rinoa07
12-15-2007, 11:26 PM
Bahahaha, the only reason Square+Disney and Square+Nintendo "work" and "make sense" is because they actually exist.
explain.

Look around again, we've also got us another "overly bizarre happening" in Smash. An uncanny character like Solid Snake appearing in there.
but keep in mind that Smash is a fighting game with no real plot. Kingdom Hearts has a pretty involved story line, resulting in quite a few branch of games (though i'm pretty sure this has something to do with playing off of people's fandoms as oppose to actually telling a story). Fighting games rarely make sense. Look at Sould Calibur Legends. Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia is in it as a playable character, and what more, has a part in the storyline during questmode. It doesn't have to make sense.

And I'm pretty sure lots of people want to see Mario meet Mickey and so on.
I don't doubt that, but I doubt Mario could carry a game as heavy as Kingdom Hearts.

b. Disney's cast is just as colorful as Nintendo's (see for yourself).
like i stated before, there aren't many serious games in Nintendo's line up aside from games like LoZ (speaking of, Princess Zelda would make a nice addition to the Princess of Heart, perhaps midna too). Not to mention the Final Fantasy Characters play a somewhat minor role, so it would probably end up being the same thing with Nintendo.

When you really break down Kingdom Hearts, it's just a brilliantly crafted and enjoyable marketing ploy by Disney. Spurred on by the rabid fanpeople's of Final Fantasy, because I have to admit, one of my main reasons for wanting the game was because Squa--er..Leon is in it. The story and bajillion hours of game play were a perk. It would probably be the same thing with Mushroom Kingdom Hearts. Nintendo fan people wanting to buy the game to see all their beloved characters for a few moments; then the curious, who would want to see how the game designers would make it work.

BooDestroyer
12-16-2007, 11:09 AM
It's hard for me to think about Mickey meeting Mario but it would be interesting to see. Only some of the characters I could see that would "fit in": Toad, Princess Peach and Princess Daisy. Toad would just be so adorable and he could easily fit in with the disney crowd. Peach and Daisy are both princesses so they instanly fit in with the "Disney Princess" crowd but then we would have two Daisys/Daisies.

Hahaha, Nintendo's actually got a lot more "Nintendo Princesses" at their disposal. Just see for yourself.

YunaSakura3000
12-16-2007, 02:01 PM
It would be funny to see Bowser in the game.

4ng31
12-16-2007, 03:48 PM
The game would fail with Nintendo in place of FF characters.

1) It's already built a base around the current set-up (FF + Disney characters and events)

2) Galaxy isn't doing so "hot" over-seas sales wise, and companies like Square and Disney look at one thing...money...and how much can be made. Why take a chance on completely revamping a series based on a struggling game where it would sell the most? Also, with the history of KH (both 1 & 2 being hugely successful and seeing CoM flop on Gameboy), it shows they should stick to what they know is a good decision, and not "branch" out...which they are already doing with the PSP and DS games...

3) The game has some dark overtones, in which Nintendo doesn't seem to handle very well (and no, the whole good/evil world thing is getting a little played out...aka, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc...).

Mesoian
12-16-2007, 05:01 PM
If a game doesn't have bishies, it doesn't sell in japan.

The end.

Rinoa07
12-16-2007, 06:19 PM
Huzzah for bishies!!!

Wait..then why does Mario sell so well..? don't tell me he's got his own fangirls...>_>

Mesoian
12-16-2007, 06:42 PM
Huzzah for bishies!!!

Wait..then why does Mario sell so well..? don't tell me he's got his own fangirls...>_>

It doesn't.

Mario Galaxy is SEVERLY under proforming in japan, even though the Wii is doing so well.

Although the contrast to this is that the NEW super mario brothers for the DS has almost a 3:1 sale ration in japan.

Simmaria
12-17-2007, 05:00 AM
so wait? impaling people with swords somehow isn't as dark as whacking a guy into pixie dust with a giant key?

and what does mario galaxy sales in japan have to do with ANYTHING? even going along with your hair brained argument, you think square enix would NOT release the game worldwide? where we bought 1.12 million copies of mario galaxy in two weeks?

and seeing how godawfully shoehorned most the plot in KH 2 was, you think it would be to much of a stretch to land in the mushroom kingdom?

seriously askua BMz, lay off the cactus juice.

oh and it would suck anyways, anything nomura directs turns to poop.

4ng31
12-17-2007, 09:30 AM
so wait? impaling people with swords somehow isn't as dark as whacking a guy into pixie dust with a giant key?

and what does mario galaxy sales in japan have to do with ANYTHING? even going along with your hair brained argument, you think square enix would NOT release the game worldwide? where we bought 1.12 million copies of mario galaxy in two weeks?

and seeing how godawfully shoehorned most the plot in KH 2 was, you think it would be to much of a stretch to land in the mushroom kingdom?

seriously askua BMz, lay off the cactus juice.

oh and it would suck anyways, anything nomura directs turns to poop.

LOL...missed the point but it's cool...tell me the last time Disney took a "chance" at anything, maybe it'll make some sense then.

O, and I'm glad you think it would suck anyways...I'm sure the 3.5 million plus people who bought 2 would agree as well.

But let me put it in other words that you might get better. I don't like Nintendo. I don't like what they are doing to the video game industry (aiming it more towards a casual audience). And I would be pretty pissed to see a game series I enjoy a lot end up on the Wii.

sam vimes
12-17-2007, 10:12 AM
I don't like Nintendo. I don't like what they are doing to the video game industry (aiming it more towards a casual audience).


Please tell me you're joking.

Rinoa07
12-17-2007, 11:52 AM
so wait? impaling people with swords somehow isn't as dark as whacking a guy into pixie dust with a giant key?
most people automatically equate Nintendo with Mario, not necessarily other games with darker, more complex plots. It would all depend on who was used and for what purpose in the game.[/quote]

and seeing how godawfully shoehorned most the plot in KH 2 was, you think it would be to much of a stretch to land in the mushroom kingdom?

The more it's talked about, the more and more I could see it, depending on how the characters are used, which characters there are, etc., and also that the games takes place strictly in the Mushroom Kingdom as oppose to any of the Disney worlds. But, what I think most people have in mind is that you wouldn't necessarily be playing as Sora but instead Mario or any character from Nintendo. And they don't necessarily see Nintendo playing that big of a role, but merely filling the role of the Final Fantasy characters, which wasn't that large, so it could seem like it just wouldn't fit.

But let me put it in other words that you might get better. I don't like Nintendo. I don't like what they are doing to the video game industry (aiming it more towards a casual audience). And I would be pretty pissed to see a game series I enjoy a lot end up on the Wii.
Nintendo is a business company, therefore, its goal is to make as much money for itself as it possibly can. People need to remember this. And as many gamers as we think there are, the general public out numbers us. Severely. Therefore, it only seems an obvious move to transfer the market to the majority. This benefits us: high demand = high supply = lower prices as scarcity decreases. And, I'll agree, a lot of the games out on the Wii suck and the controls are mostly gimmick, but some of the games aren't half bad and who doesn't like flailing their arms and screaming at the television that something needs to die on it, and quickly! Besides, flailing one's arms is quite reminiscent of button mashing, and who doesn't do that on occasion? The Wii is turning out to be a pretty decent console.

But keep in mind, gaming is for everyone and they deserve a console. It's not just for the gamers clique that needs to shell out $400 for a PS3 when most of the games are still coming out for the PS2 (i love my PS2).

Pliskin
12-17-2007, 12:34 PM
Please tell me you're joking.

I agree with him, but this isn't the place. Different thread is probably warranted for that discussion.

4ng31
12-17-2007, 01:18 PM
Please tell me you're joking.

Lol wut? It wasn't really an opinion...it's pretty much fact...you wanna argue over it or something?

I agree with him, but this isn't the place. Different thread is probably warranted for that discussion.

What's your PSN...and did you pick up UT3?

Rinoa07
12-17-2007, 04:01 PM
Lol wut? It wasn't really an opinion...it's pretty much fact...you wanna argue over it or something?
Nintendo is a business company, therefore, its goal is to make as much money for itself as it possibly can. People need to remember this. And as many gamers as we think there are, the general public out numbers us. Severely. Therefore, it only seems an obvious move to transfer the market to the majority. This benefits us: high demand = high supply = lower prices as scarcity decreases. And, I'll agree, a lot of the games out on the Wii suck and the controls are mostly gimmick, but some of the games aren't half bad and who doesn't like flailing their arms and screaming at the television that something needs to die on it, and quickly! Besides, flailing one's arms is quite reminiscent of button mashing, and who doesn't do that on occasion? The Wii is turning out to be a pretty decent console.

But keep in mind, gaming is for everyone and they deserve a console. It's not just for the gamers clique that needs to shell out $400 for a PS3 when most of the games are still coming out for the PS2

sam vimes
12-17-2007, 04:21 PM
Fact. O rly?

I don't like Nintendo. I don't like what they are doing to the video game industry (aiming it more towards a casual audience). And I would be pretty pissed to see a game series I enjoy a lot end up on the Wii.

Clearly your opinion. And if your opinion is shared by a couple hundred people via gaming forums, that still doesn't make it a fact. Or important.

Simmaria
12-17-2007, 04:23 PM
Please tell me you're joking.

clearly hes not

and that about successfully derails this thread.

sam vimes
12-17-2007, 04:27 PM
clearly hes not

and that about successfully derails this thread.

Agreed. Look at me making mountains out of molehills. For shame.:geek:

Simmaria
12-17-2007, 05:11 PM
hahaha no no i was not referring to you. im glad you said what i was thinking already.

4ng31
12-17-2007, 06:47 PM
Fact. O rly?

Clearly your opinion. And if your opinion is shared by a couple hundred people via gaming forums, that still doesn't make it a fact. Or important.

I don't like Nintendo. - Preference

I would be pissed to see a KH game on the Wii. - Fact

The fact is that Nintendo is targeting casual gamers.

An opinion is that I think it's screwing the game industry...yours might be different, but as you so eloquently stated, I don't really care about your thoughts/opinions, as they are not important either.

If you're going to act like a smart-ass, make sure you don't end up looking like a plain ass.

Mesoian
12-17-2007, 07:19 PM
and what does mario galaxy sales in japan have to do with ANYTHING? even going along with your hair brained argument, you think square enix would NOT release the game worldwide? where we bought 1.12 million copies of mario galaxy in two weeks?

Your question is, do I think that square enix would not release a game meant for a japanese audience in north america in order to get better sales?

::Looks at a good half of square enix's line up not pretaining to final fantasy or dragon quest. Then looks to the 3 top publishers in japan's release schedule in japan and north america for Q1 and Q2 of next year::

No.

Besides, even though most of the games nomura does artwork for are...pretty bad, they sell like gangbusters. And why?

Because it's mostly for the bishies. When was the last time you got someone trying to tell you how deep and flowing the storyline in KH and KH2 was? Now when was the last time you got a fangirl talking about how she wanted to chain up Riku in her basement for personal endless fellatio sessions.

Yeah. Bishie's make japan go round.

God knows if the next mario game had a Sora clone in it, it would be the best selling mario game in existance.

And let's face it, even though galaxy is CLEARLY GOTY, nintendo is still the cancer that's killing gaming. The wii line up for 2008 is horrid. 1 good game for 12 months. That sucks. And that's why I don't have a wii. It's been out for 12 months and there's only 4 games worth owning and maybe 6 worth playing. That's absolutely terrible.

FinalEVA
12-17-2007, 08:37 PM
And let's face it, even though galaxy is CLEARLY GOTY, nintendo is still the cancer that's killing gaming. The wii line up for 2008 is horrid. 1 good game for 12 months. That sucks. And that's why I don't have a wii. It's been out for 12 months and there's only 4 games worth owning and maybe 6 worth playing. That's absolutely terrible.

I thought Galaxy was an excellent game, but alot of the games for the Wii felt like the motion controls were tacked on (eg., Zelda: TP) and preferred the PS2 or GC versions.

I don't mind the Wii and there are two games I want next year - Mario Kart and SSB, but situations like Monster Hunter 3 scare me, so I can see the "Nintendo is killing gaming" side.

TybaltFlux
12-17-2007, 08:46 PM
Yeah. Bishie's make japan go round.

God knows if the next mario game had a Sora clone in it, it would be the best selling mario game in existance.



QFT. BUT-

nintendo is still the cancer that's killing gaming.


This is a slightly different claim, at least the way I'm reading it, then what Asuka BMZ's been saying about Nintendo. To that end, I'd like to reply to this statement by pointing out the wide array of gaming variety available on the Nintendo DS. It really does have something for everyone. Granted, someone could reply that it's a port-machine, which is somewhat true, but there's a lot of other games- Hotel Dusk, Phantom Hourglass, and so on- that are really unique.

On that note, I agree that Wii is limited as far as it's selection goes. However, all of its good games are 1st party. Compare that to Sony, whose 1st party games are limited, and the few good ones are sparce. Granted, it does have good third party games...that also exist on the 360. Now, if the 360 is pointed out as the picante sauce on the enchilada (new metaphor, coined by me, spread it), let's not forget that Halo 3 and it's predecessors (and spin-offs, Gears of War and such) really had a huge role in turning the current video gaming fanbase into one full of casual gamers.

I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong, I'm just saying that every system is critically open to attack. Those are my two cents that I placed on the tracks of this topic and used to derail it even more. My bad, EBK and Michi and all the other mods who are probably gonna be PO'd at how far the topic's gone off, but I just felt like putting that out there.

So, on topic. I doubt Mario and Mickie would sell together for the obvious reason that Disney would want to avoid any bridge-burning with Square. And, Nintendo has no reason to target the same audience twicemore- that is, Nintendo's already seen as "innocent", so is Disney. It's just be the same fanbase, as opposed to introducing Disney fans to Square and vice versa.

Simmaria
12-17-2007, 09:22 PM
lets see here, smash bros, mario kart, no more heroes, fragile, tales of symphonia knight of ratatosk, monster hunter 3. thats an absolute terrible line up of known games! just terrible!

4ng31
12-17-2007, 09:24 PM
lets see here, smash bros, mario kart, no more heroes, fragile, tales of symphonia knight of ratatosk, monster hunter 3. thats an absolute terrible line up of known games! just terrible!

Compare that to:

Metal Gear 4, Final Fantasy XIII/Versus XIII, Gran Turismo, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, Socom.

Yeah, I would say in comparison, that's terrible.

And come on...Mario Kart 27? Haven't you played the game enough by now? And you'll be lucky to see No More Heroes even make it stateside with the way it's currently selling in Japan.

Mesoian
12-17-2007, 09:41 PM
lets see here, smash bros, mario kart, no more heroes, fragile, tales of symphonia knight of ratatosk, monster hunter 3. thats an absolute terrible line up of known games! just terrible!

I'm expecting no more heroes to be a big ball of crap wrapped in style so sweet you wonder how it ever escaped the candy factory.

And I'll give you brawl. I'm holding out on Mario Kart Wii after the abortion that was Mario Kart DS. FIX YOUR CODE NINTENDO. Snaking isn't in there by purpose.

We know 0 about fragile. Isn't fragile still a code name?

You should be scared as hell of monster hunter 3.

And a spin off of the weakest game in all of the tales series.

Yeah, that's nothing to write home about.

Simmaria
12-17-2007, 09:58 PM
to each his own, i think your crazy but your entitled to that. not even going to argue why i disagree.

Quantum9
12-18-2007, 12:23 AM
And you'll be lucky to see No More Heroes even make it stateside with the way it's currently selling in Japan.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/data/933024.html
No More Heroes Ubisoft 02/05/08 US

Eheh.

Now, allow me to speak my opinion on the matter here. It's well-known that I'm a rather big Nintendo fan, so I may be a tad biased in this situation. However, both the pro and anti-Nintendo sides are saying some, in my mind, true things on the subject.

First, the "Is the Wii killing gaming?" argument. I find this false, but with a hair of truth to it. First, the primary, albeit extremely fanboyish argument, is that Nintendo is bringing in non-gamers, which is both A. threatening to replace hardcore games with extremely casual ones and B. bringing a bunch of slackjawed old dudes into the hobby we know and love. I find this statement to be, to be blunt, EXTREMELY short-sighted and very egotistical. Have we become so diluted by this business we can gaming that we forget that the same rules apply to this industry than any other? The fact of the matter is, if the gaming industry gets money, it helps the industry. To get money, you bring in new people to play games. Pretty simple, don't you think? To do that, you need to make some concessions in the way you make games, in order to simplify them for the audience. Don't like them? Nobody said you had to play them. Nobody said you even had to acknowledge their existence. And yet we have people bashing Nintendo because they A. make simple games and B. reuse franchises a lot as if they are personally offended by that. A news flash...Nintendo doesn't care what you think. And neither does Sony, Microsoft, or any other video game company. They are in this business to make money, not please people. A lot of times these things go hand-in-hand, however. Like I said, if you don't like it, you don't have to play it, but you don't have to spout off on a message board on how it's a fact they are killing gaming when you don't have a stake in the industry, nor does it matter how it plays out. Are Sony and Microsoft going to change the way they make games because of Nintendo's dominance with the new casual market? Perhaps. But I highly doubt they'll forget what brought them here either. Remember, they pretty much pounded Nintendo into irrelevance last generation, and I don't think anyone can deny that they can do it again.

That being said, I do think they are hurting one very important part of the industry, that being third-parties. Pretty much every third-party game on the Wii, with a handful of exceptions, has outright sucked due to a lack of effort, tacked-on Wii controls, or other odds and ends. Then, there's the little fact that it's very seldom one buys a Wii to buy anything but Nintendo games, and its no surprise that Nintendo-published games pretty much make up the Wii's top-seller list. There's also the Wii's pathetic attach rate, which is far behind that of the Xbox 360 and even the PS3, basically proven that the casual market is buying the console for Wii Sports and maybe Wii Play, and that's about it.

So, let me end this tl;dr with a very simple statement. We are gamers. We play games. We like some games. We don't like other games. This still makes us players of games. Therefore, WHO GIVES A DAMN WHAT ANYBODY PLAYS? DOES IT REALLY MATTER? DO WE HAVE TO CONVINCE EACH OTHER?

We shouldn't have to. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of gaming. That's what I believe.

Oh yeah, and Mushroom Kingdom Hearts will only be cool if you can use Kuribo's Shoe as an item. Thank you.

Pliskin
12-18-2007, 01:02 AM
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/data/933024.html
No More Heroes Ubisoft 02/05/08 US

Eheh.

Now, allow me to speak my opinion on the matter here. It's well-known that I'm a rather big Nintendo fan, so I may be a tad biased in this situation. However, both the pro and anti-Nintendo sides are saying some, in my mind, true things on the subject.

First, the "Is the Wii killing gaming?" argument. I find this false, but with a hair of truth to it. First, the primary, albeit extremely fanboyish argument, is that Nintendo is bringing in non-gamers, which is both A. threatening to replace hardcore games with extremely casual ones and B. bringing a bunch of slackjawed old dudes into the hobby we know and love. I find this statement to be, to be blunt, EXTREMELY short-sighted and very egotistical. Have we become so diluted by this business we can gaming that we forget that the same rules apply to this industry than any other? The fact of the matter is, if the gaming industry gets money, it helps the industry. To get money, you bring in new people to play games. Pretty simple, don't you think? To do that, you need to make some concessions in the way you make games, in order to simplify them for the audience. Don't like them? Nobody said you had to play them. Nobody said you even had to acknowledge their existence. And yet we have people bashing Nintendo because they A. make simple games and B. reuse franchises a lot as if they are personally offended by that. A news flash...Nintendo doesn't care what you think. And neither does Sony, Microsoft, or any other video game company. They are in this business to make money, not please people. A lot of times these things go hand-in-hand, however. Like I said, if you don't like it, you don't have to play it, but you don't have to spout off on a message board on how it's a fact they are killing gaming when you don't have a stake in the industry, nor does it matter how it plays out. Are Sony and Microsoft going to change the way they make games because of Nintendo's dominance with the new casual market? Perhaps. But I highly doubt they'll forget what brought them here either. Remember, they pretty much pounded Nintendo into irrelevance last generation, and I don't think anyone can deny that they can do it again.

That being said, I do think they are hurting one very important part of the industry, that being third-parties. Pretty much every third-party game on the Wii, with a handful of exceptions, has outright sucked due to a lack of effort, tacked-on Wii controls, or other odds and ends. Then, there's the little fact that it's very seldom one buys a Wii to buy anything but Nintendo games, and its no surprise that Nintendo-published games pretty much make up the Wii's top-seller list. There's also the Wii's pathetic attach rate, which is far behind that of the Xbox 360 and even the PS3, basically proven that the casual market is buying the console for Wii Sports and maybe Wii Play, and that's about it.

So, let me end this tl;dr with a very simple statement. We are gamers. We play games. We like some games. We don't like other games. This still makes us players of games. Therefore, WHO GIVES A DAMN WHAT ANYBODY PLAYS? DOES IT REALLY MATTER? DO WE HAVE TO CONVINCE EACH OTHER?

We shouldn't have to. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of gaming. That's what I believe.

Oh yeah, and Mushroom Kingdom Hearts will only be cool if you can use Kuribo's Shoe as an item. Thank you.

To sum up the argument for "nintendo hurting gaming"...

There is only so much money that can be spent on game development. Right?

What happens if casuals outnumber faaar in excess the more traditional gamer. That means there's far more money to be made catering to them.

So why should publishers and develoeprs make games for the smaller niche traditional gamers when they could have far more money making casual wii-fit or wii-sports style clones?

Why would any business make a product that would appeal to a much smaller demographic at the cost of one for a much larger demographic?

So far, the only thing that's stopped this from happening has been the fact (as mentioned) that traditional gamers are buying many more games than the newer casuals. So there's an incentive for developers to develop games for that audience, since even though casuals seem to be higher in-number, traditional gamers more than make-up for that gap by buying more games. (I currently own 16 PS3 games for instance.)

Quantum9
12-18-2007, 02:24 AM
To sum up the argument for "nintendo hurting gaming"...

There is only so much money that can be spent on game development. Right?

What happens if casuals outnumber faaar in excess the more traditional gamer. That means there's far more money to be made catering to them.

So why should publishers and develoeprs make games for the smaller niche traditional gamers when they could have far more money making casual wii-fit or wii-sports style clones?

Why would any business make a product that would appeal to a much smaller demographic at the cost of one for a much larger demographic?

So far, the only thing that's stopped this from happening has been the fact (as mentioned) that traditional gamers are buying many more games than the newer casuals. So there's an incentive for developers to develop games for that audience, since even though casuals seem to be higher in-number, traditional gamers more than make-up for that gap by buying more games. (I currently own 16 PS3 games for instance.)

Yes, but I still highly doubt that so-called "traditional" games will completely dry up in a couple of years. The fact of the matter is, the 360/PS3 and Wii are for different demographics. You can even make the argument that they aren't even competing. Also, take a look at Game Informer's usual "big reveal" they do every month. Want to know how many have been for a game even APPEARING on the Wii? Here's a hint...zero. The fact of the matter is, the Wii isn't for your usual GTA/Halo/Final Fantasy lover. It's for old people, kids, and Nintendo fans, and that's about it.

I personally love the system and love what its doing, but I can agree it's not for everyone. In fact, as you can see, it takes a specific someone to like it. But that doesn't mean we should point at it and say "it's killing gaming", simply because we don't like it. I realize you're just going to say "well, the truth hurts" or something to that effect, but since when is it the truth? It's opinion, and passing it off as truth is the reason I greatly dislike political pundits.

Simmaria
12-18-2007, 02:26 AM
heres why your worrying about nothing, a game like brain age was made by nine people in a span of months. these casual games are money cows that go into paying for the really big guns. like them or not, they're paying for the big meaty games.

Mesoian
12-18-2007, 10:51 AM
heres why your worrying about nothing, a game like brain age was made by nine people in a span of months. these casual games are money cows that go into paying for the really big guns. like them or not, they're paying for the big meaty games.

And what about the other 120 games that are put out on the wii that are quite literally some of the worst video games that we've seen in the past decade?

Just because Nintendo cashes in on their shuvelware doesn't make it okay for it to be there in the first place. And the 3 AAA titles that they themselves put out a year doesn't make up for it.

darkdjinn
12-18-2007, 12:13 PM
Wow... Talk about off topic...

On topic - Quantum stole my "Kuribo's Shoe" line. But to add to the depth of the game I know it would have, why not a mini game where Kirby, Yoshi, and Sora in an eating contest where you had to eat what they just ate over and over again (Kirby will eat the cute little stars he release once he is done with the ability, Yoshi eats his eggs, and Sora... yep, he eats his own sh!t, being the greatest metaphorical event in video gaming history.)

Off topic - The only way to really save video gaming for the quality it deserves is to allow independent developers freedom of development to give gamers, themselves, what they want. Let me digress further: Remember Chrono Trigger Resurrection? Yeah, that guy got the cease and desist order making it only a memory now because there was the copyright issues. The trailers looked sweet and would have only needed a bit of touching up to blow other 3D remakes out of the water.

I dunno, even if a disgruntled employee sympathetic to hard core gamers breaks off from Nintendo, Square, M$, or whomever and starts his own third party company giving gamers what they want, it will still, in the end, be only about the money even if his intentions began as altruistic.

Why did I post this again? Oh yeah, for the Sora eats sh!t joke...

Pliskin
12-18-2007, 03:18 PM
heres why your worrying about nothing, a game like brain age was made by nine people in a span of months. these casual games are money cows that go into paying for the really big guns. like them or not, they're paying for the big meaty games.

You're not getting the point.

Why are companies going to keep making the "big guns" if they can just pocket the money from the cash cows in the first place.

You just made a whole lot of money from "Super Happy Casual Game 1"

Do you take that money and...

1) Spend it all making "Guns: The Bloodening 5", which has been a very big franchise in the past.

or

2) Not make "Guns: The Bloodening 5" pad your bottom line, keep a heft profit, and use a little bit of that profit to make "Super Happy Casual Game 2"

Simmaria
12-18-2007, 04:07 PM
well if you keep getting more and more niche then your doomsday scenario just might come true, but beside mario party 8 and wii play, the best selling games on Wii are still games like Zelda, Mario, RE 4. so theres still plenty of room for both to live.

and if this game did come out, why would we need sora? couldn't it use a new original character? get it as far away from organization 13 as possible. a new character that travels with.....Geno and Mallow across the various Nintendo worlds.

TybaltFlux
12-18-2007, 05:07 PM
and if this game did come out, why would we need sora? couldn't it use a new original character? get it as far away from organization 13 as possible. a new character that travels with.....Geno and Mallow across the various Nintendo worlds.

The only reason to ever have something kH cross over with something Nintendo.