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new_ike
01-24-2008, 07:15 PM
In case you don't read Kotaku, here's a quick summary:
Fox, in its pursuit of fair and balanced reporting :crylaugh: , did a quick story on Mass Effect (http://kotaku.com/347350/keighley-sets-mass-effect-record-straight-or-tries-to), and claims that it's poisoning America's youth with sex and violence.
EA, for its part, demanded an apology from Fox (http://kotaku.com/348187/ea-calls-fox-out-on-insulting-mass-effect-inaccuracies) for making a false claim and mentions that the sex and violence in Mass Effect is no more controversial than primetime network TV.
And what does Fox do? Refers EA to its PR department. (http://kotaku.com/348692/ea-fighting-mad-about-fox-news-but-still-no-correction)Because PR departments are SOOOOO responsible for fact-checking.
Oh, it's definitely on.

Cadmium Polyphony
01-24-2008, 08:04 PM
Well this is a battle worth fighting. Psh.

Does anyone outside of the bible belt take anything Fox says seriously anymore, anyway?

FinalEVA
01-24-2008, 08:06 PM
I watch FOX news for good comedy. FOX owns alot of movies that are much more controversial than this.

Pliskin
01-24-2008, 08:41 PM
Well this is a battle worth fighting. Psh.

Does anyone outside of the bible belt take anything Fox says seriously anymore, anyway?

Unfortunately, I'd say the majority of the country does.

new_ike
01-24-2008, 10:29 PM
I don't know, personally I feel that it's worth mentioning. I'm tired of videogames getting a bad rap in the mainstream press. I'm tired of people just going "it's the mainstream press, they'd never understand" and just let it go.
Think about it. Videogames have become a lot more accessible in the past decade or so, and at the same time it's matured a lot from the days of pong and pacman and super mario. And yet, people keep getting the wrong idea, that it's kid's stuff. I mean, that right there is the root of all this, anyway, right? Mainstream thinking is that videogames are always supposed to be some happy fantasy fluff.We as gamers know that isn't the case.

I've sort of gone off on a tangent, but let me try to sum up why i think this is important: I believe this is a chance for the videogame industry to finally be heard and taken seriously without someone going LAWLZ, GEEKS and saying they can relate because they used to play atari back in the day.

Mesoian
01-24-2008, 10:36 PM
In a slight related story, the "Expert" they got to speak against video games during that interview is currently having all her books spammed on amazon.com right now.

Unfortunately, I'd say the majority of the country does.

Red states anyway.

new_ike
01-24-2008, 10:47 PM
In a slight related story, the "Expert" they got to speak against video games during that interview is currently having all her books spammed on amazon.com right now.
I wonder why, ha ha!

Ok, i've sort of figured out what I wanted to say.
'Most everyone I know thinks that network/cable news has lost its credibility and that blogs are where the real news is (I still can't get over that personally.). The common refrain of dismissal is that since it's the big corporations running the show, they can push whatever agenda they want and the average joe doesn't stand a chance against them.
Well, here's a big corporation that's in a way fighting on our side, this time. Instead of doing the easy thing and saying "oh, no, um, we'd better rid ourselves of this, pronto" they've decided to stand behind their product and say "no, you're lying, and it's hurting people." I think if enough members of the gaming community get on board with this then it can be turned into not only a victory for EA, but videogaming in general. Take us seriously and such.

FinalEVA
01-24-2008, 10:56 PM
I don't know, personally I feel that it's worth mentioning. I'm tired of videogames getting a bad rap in the mainstream press. I'm tired of people just going "it's the mainstream press, they'd never understand" and just let it go.
Think about it. Videogames have become a lot more accessible in the past decade or so, and at the same time it's matured a lot from the days of pong and pacman and super mario. And yet, people keep getting the wrong idea, that it's kid's stuff. I mean, that right there is the root of all this, anyway, right? Mainstream thinking is that videogames are always supposed to be some happy fantasy fluff.We as gamers know that isn't the case.

I've sort of gone off on a tangent, but let me try to sum up why i think this is important: I believe this is a chance for the videogame industry to finally be heard and taken seriously without someone going LAWLZ, GEEKS and saying they can relate because they used to play atari back in the day.

I think when our generation is running the media, things will be alot different. Throughout history, the same thing was said about comic books, movies, TV, etc. Video games is the newest kid on the block still.

Quantum9
01-24-2008, 11:15 PM
Red states anyway.

Which, last I checked, was the (slight) majority.

Look, I doubt Fox News is the only one that is going after this. Paging Jack Thompson on line 1. Fact is, this is something that parents are going to see, and they will either pay attention to or not.

As someone who works with video games on an almost daily basis, I plead with parents: pay attention. Don't buy M rated games for your kids. There's a reason why they are supposed to be purchased by people 17 and older, and it is a scheme that works. The fact is, according to the major media, video games are the source of evil, and people that don't understand are the reason why. Geoff Keighley made the better argument, and they cut him off because he's the evil video game guy.

It's like I say too often on these message boards...they fear what they don't understand, and if they don't like it, it's bad.

Mesoian
01-24-2008, 11:36 PM
Let's face it, we're not going to get any serious clout in the industry until these people are dead and buried from old age.

new_ike
01-25-2008, 12:09 AM
...What?
You guys are just gonna wait it out?

Come on, this isn't like it's Mom&Pop Games, inc. going up against the Murdoch Mania Machine (I made that one up myself), it's EA. No one excited, even a little?

Quantum9
01-25-2008, 12:56 AM
...What?
You guys are just gonna wait it out?

Come on, this isn't like it's Mom&Pop Games, inc. going up against the Murdoch Mania Machine (I made that one up myself), it's EA. No one excited, even a little?

It's EA, purveyor of games where the purpose is to kill other humans. It doesn't matter the company to these people, just the content.

Mesoian
01-25-2008, 01:04 AM
...What?
You guys are just gonna wait it out?

Come on, this isn't like it's Mom&Pop Games, inc. going up against the Murdoch Mania Machine (I made that one up myself), it's EA. No one excited, even a little?

No. The most that'll happen is that some talking head from EA will go on the show, try to refute the point, and whatever jabbering idiot from idiot land they dig up on the opposing side will just keep trying to talk over him until it gets to the point where it's a shouting match, and nothing gets solved.

It won't even be fun to watch. And unfortunately since Fox News takes a head-in-the-sand attitude towards viewer complaints, no amount of NERDRAGE will solve the problem.

new_ike
01-25-2008, 09:39 AM
No. The most that'll happen is that some talking head from EA will go on the show, try to refute the point, and whatever jabbering idiot from idiot land they dig up on the opposing side will just keep trying to talk over him until it gets to the point where it's a shouting match, and nothing gets solved.

It won't even be fun to watch. And unfortunately since Fox News takes a head-in-the-sand attitude towards viewer complaints, no amount of NERDRAGE will solve the problem.
Actually, Geoff Keely from G4 already did the whole "go on air to refute, get talked down to" bit.
Additionally, it is understood that it would not be in EAs best interests to appear on a FNC show. That's like being asked by (and obliging) a murderer to have a sit-down for tea after they've killed the rest of your family. And that's not what I think EA wants to do; I think it's fully understood that coming to FNC to defend yourself is a exercise in futility.
EA doesn't have to agree to FNC's terms, anyway. FNC's Live Desk show committed what could easily amount to defamation and even slander. It's not EA's job to clean up FNC's mess.
If you saw the clip you'd have heard that not only did MacCallough (the show's host) not play the game (her "research" amounted to basically visiting the website, getting past the age verification system and watching trailers) but neither has the "expert" they brought in, Cooper Lawrence. And yet, they are both somehow able to say that the game is FULL of full-on nudity and violence.
Let me rephrase: people on TV who have never played the game offered their opinions of the game and passed it off as truth.
And the panel of "analysts" or "commentators" that follows in the clips don't sound like they've played the game, either. One of them says Mass Effect is "Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas" and another longs for a simpler time, specifically Pong, Pinball and Pac-Man.
And before you ask, no, I'm not an EA shill; it's just the fact that this issue is relevant to two of my interests (videogaming and journalism [i know, i know, it's funny for me too]) that's got me all worked up about it.

Smuffy
01-25-2008, 02:56 PM
Meh, just vote for anyone but Hillary and we'll be alright :P

Well maybe not Huckabee either. Haha

new_ike
01-27-2008, 12:18 AM
Latest update:
Cooper Lawrence, the psychologist whom FOX had on for the segment (and whose books later became the victim of downvotes on Amazon.com) has apologized for her comments on the game.
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