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FaeryDust
02-08-2008, 06:15 PM
So I was thinking of doing a version of the Ouran Host Club but of the twin's cheshire cat outfit. Only I was thinking of doing it a bit different, and using a skirt with some cute leg warmers instead of pants, and adding a lolita hat to compliment the outfit, and maybe make a cute lolita styled choker with a huge cat bell on it. But I dunno how that would look.. O.o

What are your thoughts on original cosplays, or people whom edit character's outfits?

Mangochutney
02-08-2008, 06:20 PM
Depends how well it's done, generally. A fabulous costume is a fabulous costume. Personally, I have a vast preference for costumes as they're shown because I appreciate the challenge of translating a 2-D image as precisely as possible. "Like this outfit except not" seems much less of a challenge and thus, to me, a step down.

dreamoflife02
02-08-2008, 10:56 PM
A lot of people do things like that, and a lot of people look down on people who do things like that. It all depends on if you care about being recognized.

Personally, I don't tend to like female versions of male costumes unless they're either A. incredibly well done or B. meant to be funny.

Katsumiyo
02-08-2008, 11:33 PM
I'm not often a fan of original cosplays. They make sense if they're something based off the show/game and the character, such as the FMA miniskirts before they got blown way out of proportion. But most things people use for concept cosplay, such as male-to-female or vise versa, pajama, swimsuit, or lolita versions don't often suit the characters and just seem to me like someone is being lazy, or doesn't have enough dedication or patience to do the original costume. I think it's better to spend all that time and money making the real costume, rather than making your own version and having to constantly explain why it's different.

FaeryDust
02-09-2008, 08:31 AM
True but sometimes original costumes can be really extensive too. And not everybody can sew, so they have to work around with what they can do. Though I agree some original costumes kind of take the work out of the costume itself, but then again I have seen some original costumes make the character's costume look even better by adding more details and what-not.

Missiechan
02-09-2008, 11:18 AM
For the sake of vanity I think it's okay to do an edited version of a costume. For example, although Belldandy's dress is beautiful in its original form it could only look good on a thinnish girl with a small bust. When I made it I put in a princess waist and took out some of the layers to make it suit me. And as much as I want to cosplay Rock Lee, I'm going to have to make it a Sexy no Jutsu version because there is NO WAY that skintight suit is going to suit me, unless there's a cloakroom that I can check my boobs into. I think half the work of a costume is looking good in it.

Rosie
02-09-2008, 11:59 AM
True but sometimes original costumes can be really extensive too. And not everybody can sew, so they have to work around with what they can do. Though I agree some original costumes kind of take the work out of the costume itself, but then again I have seen some original costumes make the character's costume look even better by adding more details and what-not.
True, a costume can seem daunting, but you'll never know what you're capable of if you don't take risks. In my experience, that's the best way of learning. Plus, with every costume you make, you pick up new skills. So don't be afraid to go out on a limb!

The Hag
02-09-2008, 04:20 PM
Well, since you asked...

I don't really see much point in "editing" a costume unless it is to adapt it to your figure (as Missiechan mentioned) or for modesty. If you want to do a kitty/lolita, why not just design something of your own? Why does it have to be OHH related? If you really want to be recognized as something from OHH, why not just do one of the many costumes from it that will be recognized?

However, if what you really want to do is a modified OHH Cheshire Cat - then go for it! Why should my opinion matter to you? ^_^

Usachan
02-09-2008, 04:32 PM
For sure!

I believe a original cosplay can be quite fun and I've done a couple myself.

D001
02-09-2008, 07:55 PM
I would have to agree with the sentiment that The Hag brought up: if you are modifying a costume to better suit you, that's no issue in the least. But if you are looking to make a variation costume the character wouldn't be in (ie- sexy no jutsu, lolita, catboys/girls, schoolboys/girls, etc) then I would say just design your own costume altogether with the elements you are looking for. Or, find another character that has a costume just like you want.

However, it is your costume and your fun. Do what you want. ^_^

(I do think that 1920s Naruto would be cool, though...)

D

Schuldig_
02-11-2008, 06:01 AM
I'm in the same camp as The Hag and D001 - though, if you really want to do it, do it. It's your costume, and you're the one that should feel comfortable with it. ;)

The only real point I can see to doing a crossover would be if it was still obvious what character you were supposed to be - then some people might actually get the joke. Otherwise, I think it would get a bit confusing. But that's just me.

Pliskin
02-11-2008, 06:08 AM
I think you should do what you want. People who look down on you for not staying to source material should generally just get their priorities in-check.

Himaseki
02-11-2008, 07:44 AM
I'm honestly not fond of original cosplays, unless they were characters who usually just wear normal clothes, I don't mind. I tend to dislike some cosplayers who do characters in Sexy No Jutsu costumes when all they want to do is grab attention for the wrong reasons.

I do understand though that all of them aren't like that and usually do it as a joke or just fooling around in the convention.

I also get why cosplayers would revise a costume a bit to suit their body type more. No one would want an unflattering costume, would they?

Pliskin
02-11-2008, 03:43 PM
... I still don't understand why people should care what other costumes other people are wearing.

Is it somehow ruining the "sanctity" of a "religious" character or something?

C'mon people, get over it.

Mangochutney
02-11-2008, 03:45 PM
The thread title asks for thoughts and discussion, Pliskin. These are our thoughts. Can it.

Pliskin
02-11-2008, 03:49 PM
The thread title asks for thoughts and discussion, Pliskin. These are our thoughts. Can it.

Well, I'm simply asking a question on-topic.

Why does it matter so much what other people are wearing?

livengood
02-11-2008, 03:59 PM
Well, I'm simply asking a question on-topic.

Why does it matter so much what other people are wearing?


Elementary my dear Pliskin. Human nature. We are a society of creatures that like to judge.

Pliskin
02-11-2008, 04:02 PM
Elementary my dear Pliskin. Human nature. We are a society of creatures that like to judge.

But I would've hoped that some people would be mature enough to grow out of the High School popularity mentality.

The Hag
02-11-2008, 04:11 PM
What are your thoughts on original cosplays, or people whom edit character's outfits?

Well, since you asked...

....blah blah blah.....

However, if what you really want to do is a modified OHH Cheshire Cat - then go for it! Why should my opinion matter to you? ^_^

Everyone has preferences and opinions. We prefer to look at things that we like. No one has said that the OP would be less worthy as a person or even as a cosplayer if she chose to do her original idea. We're just saying what we prefer, because, you know, she asked!

sam vimes
02-11-2008, 04:16 PM
A quality costume is a quality costume, be it from your imagination or based on an existing character. Original characters are fine. Just don't expect people to go gaga over something they don't recognize. Fanpeople are fanpeople for a reason.

Pliskin
02-11-2008, 04:20 PM
Everyone has preferences and opinions. We prefer to look at things that we like. No one has said that the OP would be less worthy as a person or even as a cosplayer if she chose to do her original idea. We're just saying what we prefer, because, you know, she asked!

I just don't see why its important enough to even "have" an opinion on what's ok and what's not.

sam vimes
02-11-2008, 04:22 PM
I just don't see why its important enough to even "have" an opinion on what's ok and what's not.

So ease on out of the conversation if you don't get the point.

ballet shoes
02-11-2008, 04:25 PM
I think its all personal opinion etc but I'm not really a fan of origional costumes unless it really does suit the character. I don't want to offend anyone but I'm really not keen on female versions of male characters (that obviously don't appear in the series) that look extremely sexy. It just seems a little lazy and attention seeking in my humble opinion. I'd never look down on someone for doing that after all its not me wearing the costume, I just personally don't like it.

Pliskin
02-11-2008, 04:30 PM
So ease on out of the conversation if you don't get the point.

Or better yet, stop being so condescending and actually 'splain it to me.


I think its all personal opinion etc but I'm not really a fan of origional costumes unless it really does suit the character. I don't want to offend anyone but I'm really not keen on female versions of male characters (that obviously don't appear in the series) that look extremely sexy. It just seems a little lazy and attention seeking in my humble opinion. I'd never look down on someone for doing that after all its not me wearing the costume, I just personally don't like it.

That's my question though. There's a difference between disliking something and just simply not caring. Why the active dislike? I'm not trying to accuse you. I'm just curious since the phenomenon is pretty widespread in cosplay.

Mangochutney
02-11-2008, 04:31 PM
Pliskin, this thread is not about you. It would be nice if you'd stop trying to convince us it is.

The Hag
02-11-2008, 04:33 PM
I just don't see why its important enough to even "have" an opinion on what's ok and what's not.

LOL! When asked, I am capable of delivering an opinion on anything! However, I never insist that the rest of the world agree with me (except, you know, on stuff like it is my opinion that torturing kittens is wrong and that cake is delicious). And again, no one said that changing a costume is not o.k. Some people just said that they didn't particularly like it. Having a preference is not the same as making a moral judgment.

But I grow weary of this silliness. I'm going to make dinner. Mmmmmmm.....lasagna!

Pliskin
02-11-2008, 04:35 PM
Pliskin, this thread is not about you. It would be nice if you'd stop trying to convince us it is.

I reiterate, the title of the thread is "Original Cosplay: Thoughts and discussion". I'm having a discussion about it. If you'd like to join-in, then by all means.

sam vimes
02-11-2008, 04:39 PM
Or better yet, stop being so condescending and actually 'splain it to me.


O<--What any further discussion between us would look like.

This is a perfectly valid thread...and this is coming from one of the biggest proponents of the "Who gives a foxtrotting [expletive]" school of thought. Repeatedly asking everybody why they even care is rather pointless.

I now leave this thread to prevent further wank.

Mangochutney
02-11-2008, 04:41 PM
I'm having a discussion about it.

You're having a discussion--or rather, insisting repeatedly--that there's no need for discussion and having an opinion on the topic is stupid.

So!

Time for cake.

GyrfalconAH64D
02-11-2008, 04:42 PM
Well I think original cosplays are unique on their own area. Yeah of course the general masses probably won't know who you are unless if it is directly based off of something that was already made.

For me, I think that makes original cosplays unique is that you made it and its completely your design, or mostly your design (depends on what the cosplay is). I dunno, thats just me though.

livengood
02-11-2008, 04:42 PM
Pliskin: It's not just high school, it's life in general. You're judge from everything from what shoes you wear, your ethnicity, education,etc....

Regardless of how open minded a person is, they will still judge. Like how you decide whether or not a person is safe to talk to, if you want to be friends with somebody, if you want to start a romantic relationship with, etc... It's instinctual.

Part of judging cosplayers is based on the fact, that many people on this site and in the cosplay community spend a lot of hard time and labor on their costumes, so in turn, they want to see others put in that kind of effort. Also the fact that one of the primary objectives of cosplay is seeing how well you can match the original character or art. Or, if you want to create an original design, how willing is the person to put in the effort?

Also, some peoples opinions are based on events that have happened to them. You know, maybe they've had experiences that left a sour taste in their mouth. Like the ungodly number of SNJ versions of Naruto characters. I find it severly lacking on the part of the cosplayer. They have every right to cosplay the character if they want to. But I would rather personally see them take the time and energy to try to do their best and create the best costume they possibly can rather then just take a short cut.

Pliskin
02-11-2008, 04:45 PM
Well I think original cosplays are unique on their own area. Yeah of course the general masses probably won't know who you are unless if it is directly based off of something that was already made.

For me, I think that makes original cosplays unique is that you made it and its completely your design, or mostly your design (depends on what the cosplay is). I dunno, thats just me though.

But then, if its something based-off of something already made or familiar, it seems like its frowned-upon because its not true to the source material

GyrfalconAH64D
02-11-2008, 04:53 PM
But then, if its something based-off of something already made or familiar, it seems like its frowned-upon because its not true to the source material

Not entirely true my friend. Lets take a look at one of my cosplays I did in 07.

http://www.cosplay.com/gallery/84280/

While this cosplay that I did is not 100% original, there were some changes that I made were "original-esk" on my side. As I went around in this cosplay, lots of people took my pic and complimented me on the outfit. I had a lot of people ask me where I got my FOX patch and said that they wanted one.

Now lets say if I go to a different convention where its con-goers are solely based on judging on how 100% accurate your cosplay will be to the source design, ok yeah then I'll get my fair share of constructive/destructive criticism.

But really for me, I would not care if people shunned my cosplay outfit. I worked on it, I'm happy with the results, I'm proud of it, and I'm content.

It comes down to the saying of: If you like it, great! If you don't like it, ok don't look at it.

That's my analogy.

OsukaXArino
02-11-2008, 05:16 PM
for my last two cons I dressed as original Shinobi characters from the naruto series and people ended up liking my cosplay more than half the others

Angathol
02-11-2008, 05:24 PM
I like original costumes that people have clearly put effort into, and original costumes for pre-existing characters can be good if the concept makes sense and isn't just a product of "lazy" cosplay (i.e. wanting to feel like part of a group or take part in events related to a specific series, but not having the time/skills/money to make an actual costume from said series... thus resorting to something simple and vaguely relevant). If it looks like something I can see the character wearing, or if it's a crossover that works, I like seeing it. I've never tried something like that myself, though - I'm usually content with the canon designs.

KittyLee
02-11-2008, 05:27 PM
I personally do like original cosplays if they're well done. I can understand why people can choose to modify a costume especially if the original version isn't flattering for their body shape or if sometimes people who want to go as a certain character, don't want to crossplay. It is always fun to look at a person whom looks exactly like the real character but I think it's also fun to see how people change a costume :) I think both deserve an equal amount of credit.

Missiechan
02-12-2008, 01:41 PM
I do an original cosplay at all my cons, a robot maid character who I made purely for cosplay skits. My OC interacts (mostly in annoying fashion) with different anime characters for a laugh. It works because people like to get into the role-playing spirit and act the way the character they're cosplaying would if irritated by a tea-serving robot. (So far, Neji Hyuuga and Tuxedo Mask have been the best victims.)

As much as I hate judging, a certain amount of it is okay because it helps us define what is socially acceptable. A cosplayer who chooses a character that doesn't suit their body type will be open to cruel comments from people who don't have much tact, both in and out of the cosplaying community. I can count on my friends to tell me that I'm a little too chubby to cosplay certain characters and offer alternative ideas and they can expect the same from me. Taking the "I don't care what anyone thinks" route will not endear you to anyone if you choose a character you shouldn't have, no matter how much you like the costume.

And no matter what anyone else says, I still think good grooming is ESSENTIAL for cosplayers. Don't spoil your lovely costume with unshaven legs please!

Seiyora
02-13-2008, 07:45 PM
The costume you described sounds like it has the potential to be really cute, and as a Host Club/Hitachiin twins fan, I wouldn't mind a bit. (Same goes if I wasn't a fan!) I like seeing variations on popular cosplays especially. =) *shrug* But that's just me. Edited costumes may not be everyone's preference, but I think you're not likely to catch any flack for it.

vampirate
02-13-2008, 10:13 PM
Directed towards FaeryDust: I personally think it sounds like you'd be taking a lot of liberties with that particular design, so much so that it would look drastically different and less recognizable from the source. I think if you just made it into a cute dress without adding all the extra stuff to it, like the hat, and had a friend in an identical costume then that would still work as a recognizable original variant. But like The Hag was saying, if you just really want to make a cute loli catgirl costume go for that, it doesn't have to be based on something else.

Aside from this particular instance though, haven't we had this basic discussion like eight bajillion times on the forums already?

The Hag
02-14-2008, 06:33 AM
Now that the silliness has subsided, let me add that I too am very fond of original costumes. Honestly? The Scifi people have been doing it for years. Also some of the historical re-enactors and LARPers. They create personas and design appropriate costumes for them.

While I have no moral objection to fan-variants, like I said in my first post here - I don't really see the point. Like Mangochutney, I enjoy doing re-creations for the most part. Primarily because my strength is construction rather than design. But if your talent lies in design - why not pursue that? Why not make something that is completely your own? Why limit yourself to copying or modifying someone else's work?

I feel the same way about fan-art and fan-fic. Again, I have no moral objection to it (I'm talkin' to you Mr. Pliskin!) I think that both are fine as hobbies and good ways to hone your basic skills. But if you have a talent for design or art or writing - why not take if one step further? Who knows - it could go from being a hobby to being a career. Someone has to do character design for all those video games. Someone has to write new books and manga. If you're talented, why shouldn't it be you? Not sure if you are that talented? How will you know unless you try?

Yo-Yo
02-14-2008, 03:24 PM
Pliskin, I believe, was fine with what they said.
But it's getting to be really off-topic now, so please, just drop it.

Anyways,
I cosplayed the cheshire twins outfit. It sounds cute, what you mentioned, and edited characters are actually pretty fascinating to me. I'm actually doing a Kangaskhan outfit, and I had to design the whole thing myself. It's a present to me once I lose 50000 lbs. :'] Rotfl.
Personally, I'd appreciate it a lot if you put detail in your edits. Weren't there boots already? How would you get leg warmers? That costume in particular sounds perfect the way it already is, but hey, maybe I'm wrong. You go ahead and make it.
There are three types of original costumes:

"Original"- These are the kind that my freind Brooke does.. They take random clothes from their closet, slap on a pair of cat ears, and say they're an OC. My god, I was so embarrassed when I walked around Yasumicon with her announcing to everybody that she was a RainbowBrite Kitty when she was wearing clothes from Papaya and cat ears with a matching bell. Oh, the horror.. We got so many 'eugh' looks, especially since I was wearing only a part of a cosplay. These are the newbies, and naturally, the ones who put hard work into their costumes loathe them for being so naive and taking so much pride in their nothings when they did no work. Brooke would tell people how much better her "costume" was than theirs. The first person she told won the costume contest. I rotfl'd. These are always looked down upon.

Start-From-Scratch- These cosplays range from amazing to terrible. These are still original designs, though, and not just bought willy-nilly from Papaya. My friend Sierra drew a really cool picture and I got her the costume. It was actually pretty cool, but simple. Most of the time, these are really interesting to see since you wonder what thought they put into it. The really detailed ones, too, amaze me and inspire me to make something completely original, too. At the same time, you won't recognize them and say "OMG IT'S ---!" You are amazed one moment, then you move on to the half-assed Naruto cosplayer. Really, I adore these costumes, but not everybody else does. It's all in the thought.

Modifications- This is basically what you're talking about. They take a costume and modify it to make it fit their person better or just because they think it's a good idea. With these, some fans could get angry, but if you put enough thought into it, you could be revered. For example, I want to cosplay Kangaskhan, but if I just slap on some brown clothes and add a pouch and tail, people are going to say... Why didn't they just make Kangaskhan? My design is very elaborate, and I wouldn't have done it if I didn't think it would stick out. This includes fishnet, gloves, a mini-cape, and hat. Kangaskhan wore none of these.
On the flipside, I saw a Pikachu who wore Pika ears, had red cheeks, and I swear to god, wrapped a yellow cloth around her hips, her thong in plain view, and wore a yellow T shirt. That's what I call..... no.
Your idea could be cool if you made little matching designs or something on the skirt in contrast to some plain purple cloth. With the bell, where's the kercheif gonna go? That was my favorite part of the costume. If you find a way for your modifications to WORK, then you have no problem with being looked down upon. If you just make it blahblahblabhalbh, then people are probably not going to say 'oh, look, that's cool, they made the cheshire hika/kao look cute!'.
I think, to compensate for the kercheif, you could do box pleats with the skirt and make the inside parts yellow. yuo could also make the bell yellow with a yellow strap with purple borders. Idk. I think it's cute. =']
I only made one modification to that costume, and that was gloves with paw prints instead of paws.

<♥3 :'D

Missiechan
02-16-2008, 12:53 PM
When you're just starting out in cosplay it's hard to get it perfect, especially your first costume. That's why the custom/ghetto costumes are so much fun, as long as you don't take yourself too seriously. Thankfully, in Ireland we have the whole 'not taking yourself seriously' thing down to a fine art, so much so that you can cosplay in public and very few people will even give you a second glance.

My first costumes were a disaster. My Chi costume was cobbled together from a corset, a miniskirt and some boots that all happened to be black and a wig that was way too short. My Belldandy was half a nightgown with a badly-sewn blue overcoat-thing draped across it.

My Piyoko costume was my first proper attempt at cosplay for Amecon, my first real convention. Everything went wrong. I couldn't find the right black-and-white pinstripe material so I used a black and pink instead, I couldn't get frills for the apron, I couldn't get the right fake fur for the ears and tail so I had to use this horrible fuzzy stuff that left clumps all over the house and I ran out of time so I stuck the whole thing together with a few tack stitches and a lot of safety pins. It fell apart at least three times at the con. Luckily that was kind of in-character for Piyoko since she's dirt poor, I just kept telling people I couldn't afford to have my dress mended ;_;

My point is, no-one is ever going to get all the details exactly right the first time so original cosplay is good practice.

OsukaXArino
02-16-2008, 01:43 PM
lazy original cosplay says exactly this " I cosplay to fit in, but am not comfortable enough to actually try as well as I'm too cheap and too lazy to actually get into it..so I grabbed a fake sword anda headband..."

Angel Tifa
02-16-2008, 02:06 PM
As I've said in previous threads like this, original designs on cosplay is cool. Just as long as it's not too lazy (for example throwing random thrift store clothes together) or very carefully designed.

Another example I've seen was too many original Turks/FFVII cosplayers just throwing on random thrift store suit clothes saying "random Turk!" and just calling that cosplay 0__o.

My friend suzushichan mostly does original outfits of cosplay, but far from lazy and always well constructed and she makes all those outfits herself ;).