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strifestreak
03-28-2008, 09:46 PM
Well, when I first heard that Square Enix was going to re-make FFVII, I was well, excited, being a big fan. But after some time thinking it through, I was wondering to myself why they would find the need to?

I mean, Final Fantasy VII was an amazing game to begin with, and it was incredibly popular even with it's horrid graphics, so why remake it? Aside from the fact that it's hard to find working copies of FFVII anymore, I really can't find a need for a re-make of the game.

Sure, it'll be nice to see everything not look like Legos, but I was fine with Legos. I just don't want them to Over-Do FFVII more than they already have.

What do you guys think?

4ng31
03-28-2008, 10:41 PM
Awesome.

Love it or hate it, it has set the bar for modern RPG's in terms of story, cut-scene's, and the like.

I don't care how much flack I get for this, but I would love to see it done.

demifiend
03-28-2008, 11:13 PM
Awesome and unnecessary. They should work on some new stuff.
But if they did make it, it would most likely be mind-blowingly awesome and I would buy it first day.

Quantum9
03-29-2008, 12:43 AM
I've said this in several topics, but I feel it bears repeating. Even though I find FFVII one of the most overrated games ever, I feel it is definitely deserving of a remake. Despite it being perhaps the best-loved Final Fantasy, I also find it to be the one that's aged the worst, with graphics that look unbelievably dated and a great lack of polish. If the game was to be updated with high-def graphics, voice acting, and fully orchestrated music, it would really give the game the overhaul it deserves. However, that's all I would want except for the addition of some new cutscenes, sidequests, and some fixes for various retcons the Compilation of FFVII have made to the game...and maybe make Vincent and Yuffie mandatory characters. No changes should be made to the story or gameplay.

Anna
03-29-2008, 12:48 AM
I'd like if they did it more in the style that they did the FF IV remake with more cartoony graphics and friggn' sweet cutscenes. But really I just wish they do that for VI, because so far it has gotten NOTHING despite being one of the more well-liked games in the series.

Mesoian
03-29-2008, 12:51 AM
Unnecessary.

FF13 NOW!!!

Zashi
03-29-2008, 12:56 AM
Better yet...how about bringing FF IV over?

Mesoian
03-29-2008, 12:58 AM
They did. On DS

DeLawliet
03-29-2008, 01:04 AM
^^But not everbody has a DS...
But anyway I really can't wait for them to release the remake of FFVII.My original version isnt working as well as it used to and even though I don't have a PS3 now I beleive I will still buy the game and then get one.I mean come on.It's really hard to find copies of the game that still work right anymore.And it was really good and it would be nice if the next generation of gamers could have the same experiance as the rest of us...

strifestreak
03-29-2008, 01:12 AM
I would like it for them to keep the game exactly the same except for graphics and voiceacting. I would hate it if Square Enix decided to change the battle system to mimic something similar to that of Kingdom Hearts, Crisis Core, or FFXIII. Like I said, I would just want it to be the same.

I would also love it if it came out for the PSII...I would honestly hate to have to buy a $300 system just to play one game, but we all know that 'aint gonna happen.

I agree though, I would totally be buying that on the first day it came out, and of course, freakishly re-watching cutscenes on youtube in Japanese wondering what the hell everybody was saying once it was out in Japan.

And I really don't want to be rude, but this isn't a FFIV or FFVI thread. I didn't make it so that people could whine about other games because they don't get enough attention. Sorry if that sounded mean in any form shape or way, I really hate sounding like a jerk. ><;;

Quantum9
03-29-2008, 01:32 AM
^^But not everbody has a DS...


More do than PS3.

Oshi
03-29-2008, 01:37 AM
Whoa guys, whoa. Are we still batting about the whole tech demo? They've repeatedly said they won't remake the game based on that...

That being said, with how much story before and after the original has been added, it could use a remastering to secure the continuity.


Oh and, screw the FF3DS engine, I want FF6 redone on FF13's White Engine :3

FinalEVA
03-29-2008, 02:55 AM
Oh and, screw the FF3DS engine, I want FF6 redone on FF13's White Engine :3

Well, I would faint dead if they announced FF6 for White Engine, aka Crystal Tools. I think the PSP could be a realistic option for the FF6 remake.

As for FF7, I agree with 4ng31. You really can't deny the influence this game had on jRPGs and even Akiba Kei (Otaku) culture in the west, no matter how much you may hate it.

I really don't need the remake, but no doubt I would get it the very first day it released. I really think Square should make another Genre-changing FF. The jRPG genre is getting a bit stale and is dwindling right now.

BulletsFlames
03-29-2008, 03:51 AM
Ah. Final Fantasy VII. The most overrated game with the most overrated protagonist, with the most overrated love triangle, with the most overrated fandom.

Yea, no, I would have preferred it just dead with its old crappy graphic, three disk ancient self. Now I have to listen to all the crazed fans fawn on and on about how it's the best fucking game ever. Yea right. Let me blow my brains out now.

In other words, no, not looking forward to it.

Arc_The_Lad
03-29-2008, 06:59 AM
Both.

It would be nice, but they should put more time into their other series, like SaGa and Mana, and make them as good as they used to be.

ULTIMATE KASUMI
03-29-2008, 09:03 AM
Unnecessary.

FF13 NOW!!!

:bigtu:

Mesoian
03-29-2008, 12:27 PM
I honestly want a new Grandia game (that doesn't suck ::Points at 3::) Before an FF7 remake.

Hissora
03-29-2008, 02:14 PM
Where does it say they're remaking it?! Last thing I heard was that Nomura was denying this.

I'd love to see it, since I'm a huge FFVII fan. I really don't think it'll do any harm, really.

Anna
03-29-2008, 03:41 PM
Where does it say they're remaking it?! Last thing I heard was that Nomura was denying this.

I'd love to see it, since I'm a huge FFVII fan. I really don't think it'll do any harm, really.

SE is just spouting more vague information
http://www.forever-fantasy.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1083

Lady Saya
03-29-2008, 05:27 PM
Unnecessary. S-E has pretty much milked FF7 dry. They really need to come up with something new cause that last thing I wanna see is another FF7 spin off game titled "Cait Sith and Friends Party!" or something like that. Sure, the graphics will look pretty and all but overall its... well, unnecessary. Besides... I'll miss the engrish. D;

RedRoses
03-29-2008, 06:06 PM
Unnecessary. S-E has pretty much milked FF7 dry.

But that's how they roll. They'll milk it until it'll finally falter (which wouldn't be for a while). How many times have they released the first and second FFs? -_-

I think that it's really unnecessary but if I was in the company, I'd milk out FF7 by making a remake since PLENTY of people would buy it. Since it is pretty much the most famous FF out of all of them, it'd be a good move to sales-wise.

U_ne_korn
03-29-2008, 06:29 PM
I'm still ambivalent on the remake - I mean, in some ways it would rule, but we don't want to encourage people to keep on rehashing the same ideas all the time. But is it too much trouble to do a re-release of the original? Most people I know are contantly complaining that their copy is almost completely worn out and getting difficult to run because of it. I remember having to boot the game on disk 2, because my disk 1 wouldn't boot, then load my game, then change back to disk 1. And then having to swap to a different copy of the game when I was in the sunken ship because one copy wouldn't boot that disk at all, but the other wouldn't run that section!

I also have two copies of FFVIII in my house at the moment and with all the switching and swapping in the world I can't get past the ballroom dancing!!

Medion
03-29-2008, 07:04 PM
I'm still ambivalent on the remake - I mean, in some ways it would rule, but we don't want to encourage people to keep on rehashing the same ideas all the time. But is it too much trouble to do a re-release of the original? Most people I know are contantly complaining that their copy is almost completely worn out and getting difficult to run because of it. I remember having to boot the game on disk 2, because my disk 1 wouldn't boot, then load my game, then change back to disk 1. And then having to swap to a different copy of the game when I was in the sunken ship because one copy wouldn't boot that disk at all, but the other wouldn't run that section!

I also have two copies of FFVIII in my house at the moment and with all the switching and swapping in the world I can't get past the ballroom dancing!!

I have gone through 2 copies of FF7 thus far over the years, and here's my solution.

First, I ripped it to an ISO. Then, I made eboots out of it. So, I can run it on my PC (ePSXe) with enhanced graphics, or, I can copy it to my PSP and play on the go. I have my entire FF collection (all legally owned copies) ripped like this, including 2 of my 3 FF games. I'll rip CC when I get home in May.

I hate optical media for games, because the laser tends to wear out with heavy use. Solid state was more reliable, but of course, the games could cost more. The compromise is legally backing up your games, if you have the know-how to do it. It also saves me from linking multiple AV switchers and cluttering the entertainment system.

strifestreak
03-29-2008, 11:24 PM
Ah. Final Fantasy VII. The most overrated game with the most overrated protagonist, with the most overrated love triangle, with the most overrated fandom.

Yea, no, I would have preferred it just dead with its old crappy graphic, three disk ancient self. Now I have to listen to all the crazed fans fawn on and on about how it's the best fucking game ever. Yea right. Let me blow my brains out now.

In other words, no, not looking forward to it.

Aww Splenda, you're so mean to me and my 'overrated' fandoms. XD Who knows, maybe I should talk about how much I LOVE Bleach and Naruto. lol (Ewww, I can't believe I just said that >>)

The question wasn't if you were looking forward to it, just if you thought the re-make was needed. I do, as always, love to hear your blunt opinionated ideas. And no, that wasn't sarcasm.

FinalEVA
03-29-2008, 11:47 PM
I'm still ambivalent on the remake - I mean, in some ways it would rule, but we don't want to encourage people to keep on rehashing the same ideas all the time. But is it too much trouble to do a re-release of the original? Most people I know are contantly complaining that their copy is almost completely worn out and getting difficult to run because of it. I remember having to boot the game on disk 2, because my disk 1 wouldn't boot, then load my game, then change back to disk 1. And then having to swap to a different copy of the game when I was in the sunken ship because one copy wouldn't boot that disk at all, but the other wouldn't run that section!

I also have two copies of FFVIII in my house at the moment and with all the switching and swapping in the world I can't get past the ballroom dancing!!

It would be a good idea for SE to re-release the PS1 FF games in one pack for $30. I just got the MGS Essential Collection to get new versions. SE could either release 7-9 on 11 CDs or make a direct PS2 port and get it all on 3 games on one DVD. If they did that and maybe fixed some of the translation problems with 7, I'd be happy.

BulletsFlames
03-30-2008, 01:48 AM
Aww Splenda, you're so mean to me and my 'overrated' fandoms. XD Who knows, maybe I should talk about how much I LOVE Bleach and Naruto. lol (Ewww, I can't believe I just said that >>)

The question wasn't if you were looking forward to it, just if you thought the re-make was needed. I do, as always, love to hear your blunt opinionated ideas. And no, that wasn't sarcasm.

Lawl, it's ok Sug'hun. I love your squealy fangurlisms. I know I do the same. Like... OMG!!! I found an UBER cute LeonAda quote. So adorable.

Should it be re-done? If SE really NEEDS for money to add to the hordes it's already made, sure. But I think they should have just left it. Classics are there to stay classics. Not to be updated.

Michi
03-30-2008, 01:57 AM
Better yet...how about bringing FF IV over?

Do you mean the DS version? Because that's sort of a given. It's barely been out for 3 months in Japan anyway, and we only just got a release date for another FF that came out in October. If you don't mean the DS version, I don't get this comment! We've gotten IV here for SNES, PlayStation, and GBA already.

[I know I'm in Japan right now but by 'here' I meant America!!]

strifestreak
03-30-2008, 08:49 AM
[I know I'm in Japan right now but by 'here' I meant America!!]

Gah! Lucky! Take me with you TT^TT

TheAnarCHris
03-30-2008, 09:12 PM
A necessary evil, IMO. Here's why:

1) Overall, the fans demand it. Granted Sqaure hasn't come out and said it's gonna happen, they know damn well people want this, and it's a system seller waiting to happen.
2) IT PRINTS MONEY!- Let's face it, while 13/Vs. 13 need to drop first, and will sell a shit-ton of copies in Jp/America/Everywhere, a seven remake would push systems like crazy. I know ppl/cosplayers who's first exposure to the VIIverse was "Advent Children". I feel for them
3) Broken game was broken. VII was kinda a rush job in the first place, one that wasnt given a proper translation by Square in the first place (Sony did it). And with Advent, Crisis and Dirge fleshing out the backstories and post-FFVII storyline, it only makes more sense to go back and tweak VII.

Serria
03-30-2008, 09:26 PM
I think Final Fantasy VII is perfect how it is. :-P Okay, yeah, the graphics aren't up to date and the script is a bit messy, but a remake is unnecessary. It's already the most popular, and in my opinion, the greatest Final Fantasy out there.

But if they did remake it, it would sell. And that's how SE rolls... but quite frankly I'm tired of my favorite game being milked. I'd rather they focus on making new good games.

FinalEVA
03-30-2008, 09:36 PM
A necessary evil, IMO. Here's why:

1) Overall, the fans demand it. Granted Sqaure hasn't come out and said it's gonna happen, they know damn well people want this, and it's a system seller waiting to happen.
2) IT PRINTS MONEY!- Let's face it, while 13/Vs. 13 need to drop first, and will sell a shit-ton of copies in Jp/America/Everywhere, a seven remake would push systems like crazy. I know ppl/cosplayers who's first exposure to the VIIverse was "Advent Children". I feel for them
3) Broken game was broken. VII was kinda a rush job in the first place, one that wasnt given a proper translation by Square in the first place (Sony did it). And with Advent, Crisis and Dirge fleshing out the backstories and post-FFVII storyline, it only makes more sense to go back and tweak VII.

I totally agree with this. If I was a shareholder of SE or Sony, I'd be pushing it like crazy. This is why I think it will eventually surface. Heck, SE could probably get Sony to cover most of the costs right now.

strifestreak
03-31-2008, 03:05 PM
I think Final Fantasy VII is perfect how it is. :-P Okay, yeah, the graphics aren't up to date and the script is a bit messy, but a remake is unnecessary. It's already the most popular, and in my opinion, the greatest Final Fantasy out there.

But if they did remake it, it would sell. And that's how SE rolls... but quite frankly I'm tired of my favorite game being milked. I'd rather they focus on making new good games.

I totally agree. I want them to try and come up with something that was as amazing as FFVII was, not keep milking the one game to death.

I mean...I just don't want it to turn into a Pokemon situation. Where it was incredibly awesome at first, but now they've continued it for so long that it's just...Blah. It got bad. (Or at least that's what I think)

They should also--In my opinion, stop making Final Fantasy games. I mean...I think ten was a good place to stop. They need to make more games....That aren't related to Final Fantasy. We have 13 for crying outloud. I think the fans are good...>>

Liddella
03-31-2008, 04:15 PM
I think it would be unnecessary. They are like squeezing everything out of the FF7 story anyway. It is getting really annoying every time I see a new FF7 title. It drives me crazy.

Remaking the game would be pointless. They would just do it to get the attention from new fans because the graphics are better. That is the only upside yo actually remaking it which is a terrible idea.

VayneSolidor
03-31-2008, 05:09 PM
Personally i would love to see a remake of ff7.one that is not like any kingdom hearts game or ff13.something that does stay true to its style of predeccessors.what i mean is i too do not look forward to seing a bunch of cluttered legos but i do want to see something that will seriously blow my frigg'n mind more than ff12 did and crisis core.

p.s.i just got crisis core and it rox! XD

SE is just spouting more vague information
http://www.forever-fantasy.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1083


i got to a section about ff7 advent children in japanese...whats it all mean in english?

TheAnarCHris
03-31-2008, 09:37 PM
They should also--In my opinion, stop making Final Fantasy games. I mean...I think ten was a good place to stop. They need to make more games....That aren't related to Final Fantasy. We have 13 for crying outloud. I think the fans are good...>>

HA-HA, oh wow.

Techically, there's more than 13 FFs, if we include the spin-offs, sequels and prequels. And seeing how the standard 13 are all different stories, I say keep the gravy train rolling.

Also, I'm fairly certain Square kinda needs FF to stay in business.

4ng31
03-31-2008, 10:32 PM
HA-HA, oh wow.

Techically, there's more than 13 FFs, if we include the spin-offs, sequels and prequels. And seeing how the standard 13 are all different stories, I say keep the gravy train rolling.

Also, I'm fairly certain Square kinda needs FF to stay in business.

Totally agree with this..and ya know, not to mention that Square is a business...you know, who try to make money...

Now, you're in charge of a big time game studio...why would you stop making/producing your best selling game of all time...not to mention one of the biggest selling franchises of all time.

I mean...where is the logic in that? It just makes no sense...

Michi
04-01-2008, 08:26 AM
Also, I'm fairly certain Square kinda needs FF to stay in business.

Maybe. In America, this is true. Not so much in Japan. Considering the merger with Enix was to help Square from dying in the first place, I think they'd be safe with only Dragon Quest and the other Enix games. ;) I mean, it's obviously not going to happen -- Final Fantasy is still huge in Japan as well -- but it's still funny to think about.

Man, it makes me so sad when the post-merger company is referred to as just "Square".

sam vimes
04-01-2008, 09:36 AM
I think they'd be safe with only Dragon Quest

You love Dragon Quest. We get it. :p

Maora
04-01-2008, 09:08 PM
I thought they should have stopped after the movie. I think they're killing the FFVII we all originally love. Yes it was a great game whoo! Get over it >.>

And if they remake FFVII then they'll remake the rest of them. It was alright when they revamped FFIII and all them because they were on NES and well the younger generation wouldn't of had them. They're doing what movies are doing, remaking old ones haha. I don't know how I feel about it.

If they remake it will they add that horrendous "cheat" to bring back Aerith? lol.

Was it last year they did the remake rumor? They released a remake of the trailer which got everyone going?

TheAnarCHris
04-01-2008, 09:49 PM
I thought they should have stopped after the movie. I think they're killing the FFVII we all originally love. Yes it was a great game whoo! Get over it >.>

And if they remake FFVII then they'll remake the rest of them. It was alright when they revamped FFIII and all them because they were on NES and well the younger generation wouldn't of had them. They're doing what movies are doing, remaking old ones haha. I don't know how I feel about it.

If they remake it will they add that horrendous "cheat" to bring back Aerith? lol.

Was it last year they did the remake rumor? They released a remake of the trailer which got everyone going?

1) Crisis Core was the strongest out of the 3 follow ups to Seven, hands down. Prove me wrong.

2) How many times has 1-6 been remade? I'm counting at least 4 different verisions of 1, 2 was ported to the ps1, GBA, PSP, 4-6 were also on the ps1/GBA, with 3 and 4 being also remaded for the DS. Remaking 7 would only make sense.

3) I assume u mean the Game-genie or whatever the hell it was called hack. Yeah that really brought down the quality of the game for me :: facepalm.jpg::

Ideally the 7-9 remakes were suppose to happen years ago for the ps2, but then LOL failed movie/ buy out occurred. True Story.

4ng31
04-01-2008, 09:57 PM
Man, it makes me so sad when the post-merger company is referred to as just "Square".

It saddens me that a lot of Square's games quality started to go down after the merger. And also, I have no problems with them just being known as Square, as they are the ones who develop the games...all Enix does is Publish (save for like what, 2 games?).

Quantum9
04-01-2008, 10:34 PM
It saddens me that a lot of Square's games quality started to go down after the merger. And also, I have no problems with them just being known as Square, as they are the ones who develop the games...all Enix does is Publish (save for like what, 2 games?).

Uhm...what?

1. As has been said many, many times on this forum, although Square and Enix are conisidered one company, they do not share developers and have their own individual projects. Square devs don't work with Enix, and vice versa. Hence, Square's quality is their own problem, no matter how many times fanboys try to pin the blame on Enix.

2. As I just said, Square and Enix work on their own games. Thusfar, both sides have released numerous titles. True, Enix primarily uses third-party devs now (such as Tri-Ace and Level 5), while Square does their stuff in-house. However, you make it sound as if Square developed games like Dragon Quest VIII and Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria, which they certainly did not.

4ng31
04-02-2008, 02:18 AM
Uhm...what?

1. As has been said many, many times on this forum, although Square and Enix are conisidered one company, they do not share developers and have their own individual projects. Square devs don't work with Enix, and vice versa. Hence, Square's quality is their own problem, no matter how many times fanboys try to pin the blame on Enix.

2. As I just said, Square and Enix work on their own games. Thusfar, both sides have released numerous titles. True, Enix primarily uses third-party devs now (such as Tri-Ace and Level 5), while Square does their stuff in-house. However, you make it sound as if Square developed games like Dragon Quest VIII and Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria, which they certainly did not.

I never said Square developed DQ/DW or VP...but be sure to know that neither did Enix (save for a few). And also, you say that Square's porblems are their own...do you know how video game industry works?? The producers are the ones who dump money into productions, and therefor have their say in how the final game is. Now, with Enix's hand so strong in Square properties now, it's obvious speculation, but the signs are there.

Maybe you should go read into it a bit more, because I have no idea what point exactly you are trying to make...here, read this and then we'll talk - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Square_Enix_games

Mesoian
04-02-2008, 02:28 AM
It saddens me that a lot of Square's games quality started to go down after the merger. And also, I have no problems with them just being known as Square, as they are the ones who develop the games...all Enix does is Publish (save for like what, 2 games?).

To be fair, the lack of quality coming out of squenix right now is pretty much solely due to the fact that the parent company is milking the two largest IP's (FF and DQ) for all it's worth. It's been far too long since we've gotten any new IP's.

Although Squenix's new IP's for the rest of this year look VERY tasty. Valkerye of the Battlefield may get me to buy a PS3.

1) Crisis Core was the strongest out of the 3 follow ups to Seven, hands down. Prove me wrong.

That's not saying much. Being the best piece of crap among other pieces of crap still means you're a piece of crap.

Not that CC was a piece of crap. But there are FAAAAAAAAAAAAR better games out for the PSP right now than it.

Michi
04-02-2008, 07:30 AM
You love Dragon Quest. We get it. :p

Haha, my love for it isn't going to keep the entire company alive though. ;) My point was more that Enix was doing just fine on its own before the merger, and that losing FF wouldn't kill the company if it somehow happened.

AkechiTenrai
04-02-2008, 09:13 AM
Squenix should pull a Konami, albiet slightly differently. Like remaster VI,VII,VIII, and IX, good graphics, voiceacting. You don't really need to add anything new since we already love them. Then package them all together and sell them for like 30, 40 bucks. I would be surprised if they didn't make a fortune.

Sure they should be focusing on new stuff and XIII needs to come out yesterday, but I don't think it'd would take to long.

When you think about it, the only real relation between the Final Fantasies is the name. Not including spinoffs every game is a new RPG. Sure names and nowadays the worlds *coughivalicecough* are reused but the numbered ones never collide.

TheAnarCHris
04-02-2008, 09:52 PM
To be fair, the lack of quality coming out of squenix right now is pretty much solely due to the fact that the parent company is milking the two largest IP's (FF and DQ) for all it's worth. It's been far too long since we've gotten any new IP's.

Although Squenix's new IP's for the rest of this year look VERY tasty. Valkerye of the Battlefield may get me to buy a PS3.



That's not saying much. Being the best piece of crap among other pieces of crap still means you're a piece of crap.

Not that CC was a piece of crap. But there are FAAAAAAAAAAAAR better games out for the PSP right now than it.

1) Let's not forget Kingdom Hearts!
2) That's the joke Mesioan. But yeah, you're 100% right. If anything, CC was a step in the right direction, oppose to those 3 other spin-offs.

Arc_The_Lad
04-03-2008, 07:04 AM
Haha, my love for it isn't going to keep the entire company alive though. ;) My point was more that Enix was doing just fine on its own before the merger, and that losing FF wouldn't kill the company if it somehow happened.

Truth.

...Acording to us Enix elitest. Enix has its problems too, like where the hell is Actraiser!

I'm sure a number of us do this, but I still separate Square from Enix. Example, Kingdom Hearts 2 was Square, while Dragon Quest Swords is Enix, both aren't Square-Enix.

Lola
04-03-2008, 11:59 AM
I'd like to see a remake especially to fix some of the rough translations we got in the American release. Also, I think nowadays they could do a smoother job with the story telling:)

sam vimes
04-03-2008, 12:04 PM
You all played the game. Move on. The fans of this game have received way too much service as it is. A remake strikes me as creative masturbation.

I vote nay; time to move foward.

UNIT0918
04-03-2008, 07:43 PM
You all played the game. Move on. The fans of this game have received way too much service as it is. A remake strikes me as creative masturbation.

I vote nay; time to move foward.I agree. I'm pretty sure FFVII fans are 10x (Okay, maybe that's an exaggeration...) happier than the fans of other FFs by now. Time to concentrate on giving the other FFs some love (Personally VI) and concentrate on the new FFs.

Nomura stated in the FFVII: AC special features that FFVII was supposed to be a Pandora's Box. What happened to that eh? It's time for that box to be shut closed for good.

Medion
04-05-2008, 08:38 PM
They should also--In my opinion, stop making Final Fantasy games. I mean...I think ten was a good place to stop. They need to make more games....That aren't related to Final Fantasy. We have 13 for crying outloud. I think the fans are good...>>

Here's the thing. With few exeptions, each Final Fantasy is an independent beast, not a part of a series. FF is a brand name, not a series. If they were to realease their new epic RPG, they could call it Final Fantasy 14, or they could call it something else, but it would likely be the same game.

X-2, the FF7 rapings, the vs. games, and the Ivalice Alliance series are the first times that Square has tried to capitalize off of specific FF games with sequels.

strifestreak
04-06-2008, 12:19 AM
Ohmigod. O_O I stopped checking up on this thread and it's still going? Sweet Jesus.

I just want to ask that we stay on topic. ^___^;; I think the conversation has spread out very far from the original question, which, I understand happens but...Let's not turn this into a Square Enix debate, because that wasn't the point of the thread.

Thank you! n__n

I think though, that the reason they had so many sequals and things relating to FFVII was because it was such an in-depth story. I mean, there's so much past in the story, so much confusion that I think they were forced to make extra movies, and extra games.

For example Crisis Core, which I feel was a way to connect the gamers to Zack, because I mean, they were very curious, especially after Advent Children or Last Order. We knew who he was and his importance and impact on Cloud, but we didn't know much about him as a person. Same with Vincent. He had some crazy past apparently and if it weren't for Dirge of Cerberus, fans would have neve gotten all that information.

So I guess that those games were necessary, not just something to keep Square Enix in business.

And....I hate it when people whine to FFVII fans about other FF's not getting attention. It's not like we ASKED Square Enix to pay Seven the most attention, it just happens to be that way.

Quantum9
04-06-2008, 12:37 AM
I think though, that the reason they had so many sequals and things relating to FFVII was because it was such an in-depth story. I mean, there's so much past in the story, so much confusion that I think they were forced to make extra movies, and extra games.



No. The real reason is because of MONEY. The fact is, Final Fantasy VII is the most popular Final Fantasy, as well as the one with the most loyal following. Hence, Square knew that if they made a bunch of spinoffs, everyone who loved the original would buy them. Hence, they would make money.

This has nothing to do with the fact that they story was in-depth or the fact that Nomura loved it so much. It's because making the spinoffs is a license to print money, and making a remake would be a license to make more of it.

UNIT0918
04-06-2008, 02:32 AM
I think though, that the reason they had so many sequals and things relating to FFVII was because it was such an in-depth story. I mean, there's so much past in the story, so much confusion that I think they were forced to make extra movies, and extra games.So do the other FFs. Take FFVI. They still could talk about each character's past, especially Shadow and Kefka. They could talk about the War of the Magi.

And....I hate it when people whine to FFVII fans about other FF's not getting attention. It's not like we ASKED Square Enix to pay Seven the most attention, it just happens to be that way.The fans did...by buying the game starting with FFVII. FFVII sold a lot. Therefore, it's like saying the fans are asking for more. Look at FFX. It sold a lot as well. Therefore, it got FFX-2. Look at FFXII. It sold almost as much as FFX. Therefore, it got FFXII: Revenant Wings.

That's how other games get sequels too. Many people buying a particular game pretty much means that people may want more. You don't see too much sequels of bad games after all.

...I hope I got the psychology correct. ^^;
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Anyway, although FFVII has served Square Enix well, I believe they should stop before it turns into Naruto and Inuyasha where the story goes nowhere. Not only will it make fans of other FFs happy, but it'll make fans of FFVII happy by not seeing excessive bad spinoffs (Like what happened to Sonic...sort of...).

strifestreak
04-06-2008, 10:45 AM
Well, I never said it wasn't about money too. I mean, of course they're going to make tons of extra games if they know that it's gonna pay off.

But you still have to remember that the reason the game has so many fans is because it's good. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be fans. So that's why other lesser known FF's don't get as much attention, because Square Enix doesn't think that they would end up making the money back that they spent on it since the fanbase isn't as large as the 'deadly trio' (VII, VIII, and X). It doesn't mean the other FF's aren't as good or as detailed as the three, it's just the smaller fanbase.

....At least, that's what I think.

And even then, what are you gonna tell VII fans? Stop liking the game because it's getting too much attention? Like I said, we never asked them to do it, we just really like the game.

Medion
04-06-2008, 05:22 PM
Sorry Strife, but you're wrong. FF7 is not more popular than the older FF games because it's good (here, you're implying that the older games were not "good") . There are a multitude of reasons why FF7 is more popular.

1. Gaming has become more mainstream. FF1 on the NES was my introduction to the series, and I like THAT game more than FF7. However, most of the modern RPG crowd was introduced to the genre through FF7. Asking an FF7 fanboy to go back and play the NES FF1 and appreciate it was akin to asking me at 10 years old to go back and play Ultima and appreciate that. Great games, different generation.

2. FF has had a devout following in Japan, and if I am not mistaken, FF5 and 6 on the SNES each outsold FF7 on the PS1 in that particular territory. In the US, there was no cult following, nor was there any real continuity. FF2 and 3 (NES) never saw a statestide release. FF4 saw a half-arsed translation to the SNES (FF2 in the US), FF5 was skipped, and FF6 got the same treatment as FF4. Few people in the US even knew they existed, but ask anyone who played FF6 (FF3 US) on the SNES BEFORE the 32/64-bit systems were released if the game was better than FF7, and many would say yes. Again, if FF7 was your first, you're likely not going to appreciate 6.

3. FF7 was a product of timing and advertising. With the advent of CD-media, everyone and their mother was trying to make the cinematic game. FMV sequences and horrible voice acting was the norm (Sewer Shark, good God!). Along comes Square with CG cut scenes, (and a huge chunk of that goes to Duck's Truemotion codec), and a willingness to advertise using almost exclusively those cutscenes. FF7 brought a level of storytelling similar to that of FF6, but with previously unseen cinematic and aural qualities.

FF7 is a bookend game, which is why so many like it. For an "old timer" like me, it signifies the last great FF game (many like me hate the series after 7). For younger people like you, FF7 signifies the beginning of your RPG experience. So while you're comparing every RPG that you play to FF7, I'm comparing every RPG that I play to FF1, and my older buddy compares his RPG experiences to Ultima.

As a conclusion, what I'm saying is that I disagree with you that FF7 is the best in the series. It's merely your introduction to the RPG genre, and that's true for so many. But I view FF1 the same way that you view FF7. Different generation, that's all.

4ng31
04-06-2008, 05:51 PM
So while you're comparing every RPG that you play to FF7, I'm comparing every RPG that I play to FF1, and my older buddy compares his RPG experiences to Ultima.

While I agree with a lot of what you just said, this single quoted line is a bit, how should I say, sad.

Basically, you and your buddy are admitting that you cannot get over a certain time in the gaming era, which is terrible because the video game market is an ever changing one; expanding and evolving. We've gone through basic 8 bit graphics transported through a simple cable connection and midi music, to Hi-Def graphics delivered though digital connections, full scale orchestra's for soundtracks, and motion sensing controls.

Maybe instead of comparing games to previous and dated enjoyable experiences, try the new age of gaming with an open mind. You might find it enjoyable.

strifestreak
04-06-2008, 08:16 PM
Sorry Strife, but you're wrong. FF7 is not more popular than the older FF games because it's good (here, you're implying that the older games were not "good") . There are a multitude of reasons why FF7 is more popular.

If you had read right, you would have seen that I said that just because FFVII is popular and gets a lot of attention from Square Enix, it doesn't mean that the other games (Both FF and non-FF) aren't as good or detailed as it.

And I don't comapre all the games that I play to Final Fantasy Seven. Are you crazy? That would be stupid. I never said FFVII was the BEST game out of every single game that Square Enix and any other company has come out with. I just said that it was my favorite. I never said it was better than any other game. Because honestly, I would never tell anybody that, it's my own opinion, that doesn't make the game the best.

My first RPG game, by the way, was FFX in case you wanted to know. And after 8th grade, I realized that it was stupid to compare all games I played to it, because good Graphics, I learned, isn't what makes a game amazing. Which is how I learned to love FFVII.

kuko-chan
04-06-2008, 08:44 PM
I dunno about this remake. I was never part of the "first-coming" so to speak of the Final Fantasy series in North America. My first experience with FF was with FFX (technically, I played the beginning of FFIX, but it never caught my attention, thus it doesn't count). But it seems to me like SquareEnix is killing their brand by making dozens of spin-offs of FF7, not to mention the movie and merchandise. They're simply cashing in on something they know is obscenely popular and the sad thing is millions of fans will go running to stores to buy it, regardless of the fact that it's a REPEAT of an older game. Yes, it will have improved graphics, but what else will be different? Will they be changing the plot in any way? Will the gameplay be any different (perhaps a real-time battle system like in FFXI?)?
Anyway, I'm the kind of person who tries not to buy into something just because "all the cool kids are doing it" and it's popular.

Michi
04-07-2008, 06:21 AM
I dunno about this remake.

I dunno if you meant it, but by your post it sounded like you were talking about a remake actually happening. It isn't! :thumbsup: It's just been fan speculation from the start.

Jerseymilk
04-07-2008, 10:52 AM
My first RPG game, by the way, was FFX in case you wanted to know. And after 8th grade, I realized that it was stupid to compare all games I played to it, because good Graphics, I learned, isn't what makes a game amazing. Which is how I learned to love FFVII.

Coming from someone who doesn't regard FFVII as the best nor is it my favourite FF(I do like it though), I have to say that you were a pretty smart kid. ^^

Anyway, I agree with Michi, more DQ! >> XP

Medion
04-07-2008, 06:00 PM
While I agree with a lot of what you just said, this single quoted line is a bit, how should I say, sad.

Basically, you and your buddy are admitting that you cannot get over a certain time in the gaming era, which is terrible because the video game market is an ever changing one; expanding and evolving. We've gone through basic 8 bit graphics transported through a simple cable connection and midi music, to Hi-Def graphics delivered though digital connections, full scale orchestra's for soundtracks, and motion sensing controls.

Maybe instead of comparing games to previous and dated enjoyable experiences, try the new age of gaming with an open mind. You might find it enjoyable.

Either you misunderstood, or I failed to convey the point (usually the latter :) ). Basically, I don't hold FF1 above all else, I merely used it as an exaggerated example. My point was since Strife loved FF7 so much, and it (or FFX) was his introduction to the genre, it's hard for him to appreciate the older RPGs. However, I don't slam him for this, as I am equally guilty. Since FF1 was my introduction, I simply couldn't get into the "older" RPGs of the time, such as Ultima. Basically, me expecting Strife to see FF6 the way I do, would be like me seeing Ultima the way my friend does. Not happening.

There have been numerous RPGs that I've appreciated in the past decade since FF7, just none of them have had the FF brand name until Crisis Core. Since FF7, the RPGs that have captivated me have been, to name a few only; Shining Force 3, Skies of Arcadia, Grandia, Grandia 2, Golden Sun (both chapters), and a few of the old school FF remakes.

So while I do appreciate newer RPGs, my point was that FF7 is a bookend game. For people like me, it's the last great FF (the end). For those newer to the genre, it serves as an introduction (the beginning).

strifestreak
04-07-2008, 07:17 PM
Oh! Well, that makes a lot more sense. I do understand your points of view much better now. I've never really played the older Final Fantasies, and it really makes me sad because the only reason I haven't played them is because I can't find them anywhere, just like FFVII. I've only been able to get my hands on the game once, and the copy was so horrid, that it would freeze at every boss so that I only had three turns to defeat it or else the game would stop .__.'

Like I said, after playing FFX I realized that grahpics weren't everything, and it really sucks that those great games that came before FFX can't be played because they just can't be found. It's a pitty that younger, newer gamers like myself can't experience the games that older gamers have because of lack of supply.

I think that instead of remaking games, Square Enix should re-release the older games so that they are compatible with the PSII and PSIII better and can be found and played by newer generations.

FinalEVA
04-07-2008, 08:22 PM
Another thing they could do is release all 3 of them on one PS3 Blu-ray and upscale the textures. Playing PS1 games on an HDTV is not very pretty. If they re-render the polygons and remaster the backgrouds and CG, I'd be very happy. Or they could do it for a PS2 version b/c more people have that.

kuko-chan
04-07-2008, 09:27 PM
I dunno if you meant it, but by your post it sounded like you were talking about a remake actually happening. It isn't! :thumbsup: It's just been fan speculation from the start.

Ah. The first post had me believe that Square-Enix actually announced a remake. :crylaugh: Regardless, I stand by what I said. A remake would kill the brand in my mind.

Quantum9
04-07-2008, 09:46 PM
Why does it have to be for PS3? Square has already re-released I and II for the PSP, and remade III for the DS, with IV still to come and V and VI on the way after that.

UNIT0918
04-08-2008, 01:04 AM
I just went to my local game shop, and they ran out of FFIX. T^T I don't think they're going to restock because FFIX is probably out of print. Indeed, re-releasing games (Like my sexy new Metal Gear Solid: The Essential Collection. :D) would give younger gamers such as myself to be able to play these awesome classics that are so darn hard to find. Heck, re-release FFVII. Just don't remake it. A re-release of it would be good enough. (I only have the first disk of FFVII. D: )

Oshi
04-08-2008, 12:20 PM
Hm. The more I play Crisis Core, the more viable a remastering of FF7 seems. But I also haven't played the original in a while, so a lot of this new content that could be incorporated may very well be in there already and I forgot...

But RockyTrigger brings a good point. Even if it's not remade, it does warrant being rereleased, or ported or redistributed somehow. Fix up the PC version and get it out on Steam, get another printing of the PS1 version going, or isn't there a PS3->PSP hookup they distribute PS1 games over?
There are many newer gamers who don't have access to the original who have played the spinoffs or watched AC. That availability needs to be restored.

Gaara-Sephiroth
04-08-2008, 12:35 PM
Well, when I first heard that Square Enix was going to re-make FFVII, I was well, excited, being a big fan. But after some time thinking it through, I was wondering to myself why they would find the need to?

I mean, Final Fantasy VII was an amazing game to begin with, and it was incredibly popular even with it's horrid graphics, so why remake it? Aside from the fact that it's hard to find working copies of FFVII anymore, I really can't find a need for a re-make of the game.

Sure, it'll be nice to see everything not look like Legos, but I was fine with Legos. I just don't want them to Over-Do FFVII more than they already have.

What do you guys think?
That makes sense, I loved the original. Yeah, I think a re-make is cool.....but at the same time it may be too much. I do want the re-make anyway, though.

darthseb
04-08-2008, 01:16 PM
Well, when I first heard that Square Enix was going to re-make FFVII, I was well, excited, being a big fan. But after some time thinking it through, I was wondering to myself why they would find the need to?

I mean, Final Fantasy VII was an amazing game to begin with, and it was incredibly popular even with it's horrid graphics, so why remake it? Aside from the fact that it's hard to find working copies of FFVII anymore, I really can't find a need for a re-make of the game.

Sure, it'll be nice to see everything not look like Legos, but I was fine with Legos. I just don't want them to Over-Do FFVII more than they already have.

What do you guys think?

I thought this was an already squelched rumor. I think it's unnecessary.

I do, however, think, if I was wrong about the rumor being killed, that they will remake it anyway. It made SENSE to me that they made Advent Children and Crisis Core, but probably not the same sense as people that actually LIKED that game. Yes, I don't like Final Fantasy.

It made sense to me as a business move. They could shit in a bag, and so long as the label that bag of shit "Final Fantasy 7: Bag of Shit," Americans (and probably japs) will buy it. The story, though, was quickly written crap. Yuffie remains one of my most hated characters.

strifestreak
04-08-2008, 03:03 PM
I thought this was an already squelched rumor. I think it's unnecessary.

I do, however, think, if I was wrong about the rumor being killed, that they will remake it anyway. It made SENSE to me that they made Advent Children and Crisis Core, but probably not the same sense as people that actually LIKED that game. Yes, I don't like Final Fantasy.

It made sense to me as a business move. They could shit in a bag, and so long as the label that bag of shit "Final Fantasy 7: Bag of Shit," Americans (and probably japs) will buy it. The story, though, was quickly written crap. Yuffie remains one of my most hated characters.

Hmm, well, I've never talked to any of the creators so I really wouldn't know how long it took them to write it up. I'm sure that like any other game, they spent their good share of time creating it.

4ng31
04-08-2008, 05:08 PM
Just a note for all you guys telling people to "get over it"...

FF:CC was the number selling game this past week in America (outselling Smash...a portable the #1 seller...), so I would say there is quite a substantial audience still out there.

sam vimes
04-08-2008, 05:13 PM
Just a note for all you guys telling people to "get over it"...

FF:CC was the number selling game this past week in America (outselling Smash...a portable the #1 seller...), so I would say there is quite a substantial audience still out there.

People like familiar things.

Move on. Grow in your experience. Evolve.

penny_dreadful
04-08-2008, 05:26 PM
People like familiar things.

Move on. Grow in your experience. Evolve.

I have an inherent wariness of things being "remade," "remastered," "reimagined," etc. Change is good and trying new things is also good, but by the same token I don't understand why people can't leave good things alone. Sometimes it's worthwhile, like improving the quality of a classic film or album. Sometimes it's someone remaking Psycho shot-for-shot. Most of the time I find that when people set out to do something better than it was done last time, it's a failure. It's very, very tricky to bring something up to date while preserving the qualities that made it effective and magical in the first place.

FFVII wasn't my favorite Final Fantasy game. If they ever got around to redoing it in actuality, I doubt I'd be compelled to play it. On the other hand, as a devout Star Wars fan I appreciated the remasterings they did of Episodes IV-VI. I-III, however, are a different story.

--PD

Michi
04-08-2008, 09:33 PM
Why does it have to be for PS3? Square has already re-released I and II for the PSP, and remade III for the DS, with IV still to come and V and VI on the way after that.

Dang it, IV has been out for months. Just because it's not in America yet (but has a release date!) doesn't mean it's "still to come". :p It's sitting in my DS case right now!

Oshi
04-08-2008, 09:56 PM
Blah blah blah, I'm in japan, blah blah blah
:P

Yeah, I think a direct port to PSP, with minimal graphic optimization and some tweaked story elements to integrate it fully with the spinoffs, would be ace.
That, or the whole PS1 emulation on PSP via PS3 downloads. That's really the minimal they need to do.

Don't get me wrong, FF7 is only like, my fifth favorite of the main series (6, 8, 4, 5, 7), but it really does need to be made available easier, since Gamestop stopped selling PS1 games like, a year and a half ago.

Michi
04-08-2008, 10:07 PM
Hey, I could just be an elitist importer too. You don't know!!

Quantum9
04-08-2008, 10:10 PM
Hey, I could just be an elitist importer too. You don't know!!

Actually, we do. You've said you've been in Japan off and on for months now.

Michi
04-08-2008, 10:14 PM
Why must you ruin my cover? :(

4ng31
04-09-2008, 01:11 AM
People like familiar things.

Move on. Grow in your experience. Evolve.

While I can't comment on moving on...this would def be an evolution. Updated graphics, new voice cast (or should I say, a voice cast...lol), etc...

I'm not even a 7 fan, but I would buy and replay it if it hit the PS3...not to mention the secret ending of FF:CC...no matter how tight lipped Square wants to be about this...there are way too many hints that is it coming (communication that differs in every interview/comment being the strongest point IMO...hence that usually a Sony trick - to blunder about on rumors...which are usually true).

soradesu
04-09-2008, 11:33 AM
I think it's completely unnecessary. I love Final Fantasy VII, but seriously.. just play Crisis Core. XD;

I really think this is just a rumor. I haven't heard anything official about when it was going to be released or even if it was ever going to be made.

strifestreak
04-09-2008, 05:25 PM
On: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

They announced that Square Enix has officialy said that they would do it. I still think they're a little unsure about it though. Besides, you can't trust everything that the internet says. n__n;;

Quantum9
04-09-2008, 05:42 PM
While I can't comment on moving on...this would def be an evolution. Updated graphics, new voice cast (or should I say, a voice cast...lol), etc...

Don't forget actual orchestrated music. I shudder to think of the possibility of what could be done if Uematsu teams up with the Black Mages and Tokyo Philharmonic to reproduce some of VII's songs in pure uncompressed Blu-Ray glory.

Medion
04-10-2008, 05:28 PM
To those who feel that the older FF games are hard to find, here's a list.

FF1 - PSP remake can be found at Wal-Mart, $30, and it's a solid remake, though lacks the diffuclty of the original.
FF2 - PSP remake also $30, a little harder to find than FF1. Check Gamestop, etc. Also, FF1 and 2 have a bastardized GBA remake, but it's two awful remakes for the price of 1.
FF3 - It's on the DS, in 3D.
FF4 - On it's way to the DS, in English!
FF5 - Already had a GBA re-release, it's still in my local Wal-Mart.
FF6 - same as FF5.

So, with the exception of FF4, all of the older FF games have already been remade/re-released on the 3 portable systems, and can still be found in stores.

For those who can't seem to enjoy FF7, 8, and 9 with their "outdated" graphics, download "ePSXe", the emulator, and run your existing PS1 copy straight from the CD. Even a marginal video card can upscale it. I posted some screenshots awhile back of what they look like on a modern medium range video card. Downright gorgeous.

That takes care of every pre-PS2 era FF game (core franchise only) except 4.

There are "other" means to acquire some of these classics as well, but I won't discuss that on this forum. Send me a PM if you're desperate for details.

Michi
04-10-2008, 08:11 PM
Also, FF1 and 2 have a bastardized GBA remake, but it's two awful remakes for the price of 1.

It's really that bad? I've wanted to get the FF1/2 GBA cart for a while now, especially now because it's preferable over two PSP games, but...

So, with the exception of FF4, all of the older FF games have already been remade/re-released on the 3 portable systems, and can still be found in stores.

You're forgetting the FF4 GBA remake! So there is no exception -- all of them are currently available in America. :) We'll just have an extra DS remake soon.

Oshi
04-10-2008, 08:46 PM
FF1 & 2 - PS1 & GBA re-release (FFOrigins) based on Wonderswan remakes, individual PSP remakes.
FF3 - 3D remake on DS, only english release.
FF4 - PS1 re-release with cutscenes (FFChronicles), GBA re-release, 3D remake for DS coming in the US June 22.
FF5 - PS1 re-release with cutscenes(FFAnthology), GBA re-release, 3D remake for DS inevitable.
FF6 - same as FF5.
Fixed, more complete :P

I DEMAND A REMAKE OF MYSTIC QUEST!

But seriously, I just like, booted up FF7 a little... I think a remake on PSP would be enough, PS3 is overboard. Though Quantum9's music prospects make me happy in pants...

Michi
04-10-2008, 08:52 PM
I think the cooler thing is that FF1-6 are all available on portable systems. I could care less about the PlayStation remakes these days. XD; I like toting around portable FF games.

Oh, and of course, we have Tactics for PSP now too! Even if it's not part of the numbered series, that is important to me. :)

Zashi
04-10-2008, 11:00 PM
I say....a remake of FFVII is not what this world needs. If you really wan to play it, then load it into your PS3 and use the remote play function...then you can take it with you everywhere.

Oshi
04-11-2008, 08:39 AM
I say....a remake of FFVII is not what this world needs. If you really wan to play it, then load it into your PS3 and use the remote play function...then you can take it with you everywhere.

Which is basically what I'm doing. Minus the PS3.
...Hey, I own a copy of it, I'm just using other methods to get it on my PSP >.>

Angel Tifa
04-11-2008, 01:46 PM
Personally I always thought the idea of an FFVII remake was highly unecessary and am not looking forward to it :(. Like the first poster said, FFVII was already a great game to begin with and why change it? Besides that would mean a new Tifa outfit for me :(.


I'd like if they did it more in the style that they did the FF IV remake with more cartoony graphics and friggn' sweet cutscenes. But really I just wish they do that for VI, because so far it has gotten NOTHING despite being one of the more well-liked games in the series.


Final Fantasy IV (4) you say? Well you're in luck ;). Though you've probably already heard about it, but they'll be remaking IV for the DS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=119Ay49BsGg

Medion
04-11-2008, 10:37 PM
Fixed, more complete :P



I appreciate the attempt, but I left out the PS1 remakes intentionally. You simply cannot easily find them in stores anymore (though most are afforable on Ebay). Also, the FF5/6 ramkes are horrible. Garbled sound in many cases, and mass slowdown.

I left out the GBA ports of FF1&2 because they are, IMO, horrible. The PSP remakes were far superior, IMO.


It's really that bad? I've wanted to get the FF1/2 GBA cart for a while now, especially now because it's preferable over two PSP games, but...


Michi, just to give you some background, FF1 on the NES was my first RPG, and I was about 9 years old. Took me a couple years to finaly beat, so it holds a special place for me.

The GBA remake has improved graphics, better quality sound, but the gameplay is very unbalanced. All of the melee classes do obscene damage compared to the original, while spell damage has been scaled back, and it doesn't scale with the caster's INT. As a result, a black mage is nigh useless. Just use a Ninja or Red Wizard for FAST/HASTE. Black magic in this game sucks, period.

The PSP remake was more balaned. All magic scales with INT, making the Black Mage/Wizard a very formidable class. Not only does their damage continue to improve with levels, but using healing items (like the healing staff or healing helm) is an effective way of using the Black Wizard's higher INT, without stressing your party's health during longer dungeons.

I also felt that the PSP version did a better job of balancing out the melee classes in terms of damage. No longer is the thief a weak classes used solely for running away. They actualy do more damage than a fighter early on, though a Knight + Sabre + Haste is still a disgusting combo. One-shot Chaos, easily.

Anyway, to summarize, I felt that the GBA remake was a decent upgrade in graphics/sound, but the gameplay was made too easy, and magic was rendered innefective. The PSP remake further enhanced the graphics/sound, while fixing the balance issues, including some balance issues from the original NES release. IMO, the PSP release is the definitive version of FF1.

strifestreak
04-11-2008, 11:42 PM
Personally I always thought the idea of an FFVII remake was highly unecessary and am not looking forward to it :(. Like the first poster said, FFVII was already a great game to begin with and why change it? Besides that would mean a new Tifa outfit for me :(.

Another Tifa outfit? XD Dear god, I don't know what else Tetsuya can possibly come up with.

The man's a genious though, I swear.

Medion
04-12-2008, 10:32 AM
Another Tifa outfit? XD Dear god, I don't know what else Tetsuya can possibly come up with.

The man's a genious though, I swear.


A genius? I swear, all the guy did was type "big boobs + jailbait" into Google to come up with her outfits, except the Advent Children Tifa apperance, which I actually like.

I actually burst out laughing when I first saw her Crisis Core outfit. Yea, I expected it, but it still shocked me.

Aiynn
04-24-2008, 02:53 AM
I actually burst out laughing when I first saw her Crisis Core outfit. Yea, I expected it, but it still shocked me.

Ha, I was shocked too. I mean, isn't it cold in Nibelheim?


About the chance of a remake...
I think there's a very good chance if they remake it, they'll screw it up.

I for one would appreciate a port to the PSP, maybe touch up a few things, but otherwise leave it alone. Easier and quicker than a full-fledged remake, and based on how well Crisis Core has sold, it should do extremely well.

I tried playing FFVII the other day, and I must say it looks less than appetizing on an HDTV. As much as I know graphics aren't everything, FFVII in particular has not, IMO, aged well at all, and it's really hard to go back and ignore the fact that such beautiful games now exist, like Bioshock.

Not that I don't appreciate gaming's roots. I started with the original NES with Zelda and Mario Bros., skipped the SNES and was still playing Metroid and the like until the late 90's, when I got an N64. I guess what I'm trying to say is I've just come to embrace generation after generation. If it were ported to PSP, graphics really wouldn't be that much of an issue. I actually find I prefer the simpler 2D games to the 3D ones emerging on the PSP, anyway. Original or slightly enhanced FFVII graphics would be much easier to stomach on a PSP screen, and there’s the bonus of it being portable.

I actually think what a lot of people would seek from a remake would be to see all of the characters fully-fleshed out visually-wise, revisit locations fully rendered into 3D, and relive the game's famous moments in modern graphics. Well...look at all the spin-offs. Though the games themselves as a whole are nothing special IMO, they do deliver nearly all of these things. And look at Advent Children. Everyone got to see their favorite characters in dazzling CG form. That was cool, I admit it. And I guess it would be cool to see them all in a remake, but somehow, I do not think it could be done successfully. In the end, it'd still be the same old story. If the main issue is the graphics and the voice-acting (as it is for me), just check out AC and CC. That’s what they’d all look like, and that's what they'd sound like. There you go.

Summed up: No remake, please port to PSP, kthnx.

Oh and btw, Strife, my first FF was X also :D I've just been working my way around the series completely ignoring the order.

Medion
04-28-2008, 06:48 AM
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Summed up: No remake, please port to PSP, kthnx.

Oh and btw, Strife, my first FF was X also :D I've just been working my way around the series completely ignoring the order.

I only play FF7 in two ways these days, either on the PSP, or on my PC. The PC version gives me enhanced graphics (not modern, but less of an eyesore than the PS1), or the PSP when I'm on the go. My only gripe on the PSP version is the lack of widescreen.

FinalEVA
05-03-2008, 12:41 AM
Yes, yes. Japan wants a Final Fantasy VII remake. Maybe you want a remake, too. This we know! But is it possible? Well, of course, it's possible. But what are the chances of it actually happening any time soon? Square Enix's Yoshinori Kitase, director of the original FFVII, says:


My feelings are that if a remake were to work well then all the core members of the original team must be reassembled, all the artists and designers.

The problem is that, although all of us have an idea of what a remake should be and how to do it, organising such a thing right now is logistically very difficult. All the different members are now involved in very new, very large projects like Final Fantasy XIII and those projects are going to take a while.

Maybe, when all those games are finished then we can look at doing something like that.

Of course, that said we came up with the idea for Crisis Core in just two days. It was a case of 'this is what we want to do, so let's do it'. So, you can definitely expect the probability of something spontaneous happening at some point, but it's hard to predict.


With the remake-happy way Square Enix is going these days, you can bet there's eventually going to be a FFVII. Reassuring to know that Kitase wants to do it in-house with the original team.

http://kotaku.com/386438/ffvii-director-on-chances-of-a-remake

A little more info about this topic.

shivachan
05-03-2008, 05:53 AM
I agree that I really don't think a FFVII remake is NECESSARY. I mean, yeah, it would be pretty. But it would simply be all the same stuff all over again. So then they would have to try and mix it up for the people who simply don't want to play the exact same game but this time with flashy CG and dubbed-over voices.

We have other games and a movie for that now. We know what they sound like.

I actually get a little upset when new fans of FFVII only know their info from Advent Children and the like and some of them have said that they can't play the original game because it's graphics are so hard to adjust to. Maybe it's just that FFVII was my first Final Fantasy game I played (it's not my absolute favourite, but it was my first, so it does hold that sentiment) but I find the graphics almost nostalgic. Like I do the sprites of Star Ocean 2 and the Secret of Mana.

Yubel
05-03-2008, 11:52 AM
They definitely should make a FFVII remake. From a marketing/business perspective it's a total win and well, if you don't like it you don't have to buy it, it's really that simple. The only real complaint I see is that while Square Enix is working on FFVII they could be doing another project instead if FFVII was not being done.

However, being a FFVII junkie and loving the improvements with graphics found in Crisis Core cutscenes and Advent Children, hell yeah to the remake! ^_^

DarkusAngelus
05-03-2008, 12:06 PM
I think a remake of FFVII would be pretty awesome. It isn't so necessary, but having better graphics and voiceovers would do some good.

Uberwekkness
05-06-2008, 04:05 PM
I want it to be exactly the same. No voice acting, god forbid they get terrible voices. No extra cinemas that are a million hours long (I got really bored during the oping of FFXII.)

What I would like to see is better graphics, so the dumbasses that just play games for graphics won't have an excuse not to play this masterpiece anymore, I'd like to see fixed spelling errors, the extra pieces that were left out in translation, due to time crunch, and a not emo Cloud. I dont' know where they got the idea that Cloud was angsty and depressed and super serious all the time....

sam vimes
05-06-2008, 04:30 PM
I actually get a little upset when new fans of FFVII only know their info from Advent Children and the like

Yeah, because that's really a show of disrespect to an eleven year-old video game.:rolleyes:

This is exactly why there shouldn't be a re-release; it would just be another non-event for people to get all pissy over on the internet.

Jsc0114
05-06-2008, 05:03 PM
Yeah, it might be good but i hope they don't make the characters look like advent children cause that movie made FF7 what bryan singer did for the xmen movies. I'm not saying advent children was bad it just didn't have any substance or a story to tell for that matter. It was just eye candy for the fans. Personally, i prefer the more cartoony look like FF 7 and 9. Not a fan of 8 really. The realism to the new final fantasies just gets old after a while and i think it would definitely be unnecessary to remake ff seven look like FF X or FF XII. Plus they would change the fighting system which was perfect. The materia system was epic winz. I don't know. I would be disappointed regardless if they made it.

Doctor Blind
05-08-2008, 05:55 PM
Personally, I think Sqenix needs to lay off the FFVII spin-offs a bit. Remaking it would be nice, and shiny, and all, but it would kind of lose the essential feel of the original game - part of the reason why I like FFVII is the little pixely people with blocks for hands ^.^

tl;dr - Moar FFVI, less FFVII.