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Quantum9
07-01-2008, 11:12 PM
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/ctds/

First details in the new issue of JUMP Magazine.

OMG. This is my favorite RPG of all time, and I've been waiting for a portable remake for the better part of 6-7 years. Thank you, Square-Enix!!!

TybaltFlux
07-01-2008, 11:14 PM
Hehe, this coupled with Arkanoid and Kirby Super Star, this is why the DS is just so darn sexy.

Michi
07-01-2008, 11:15 PM
I'm glad this is coming out because my save file on the SNES got messed up and I was never able to finish it. Now I can sit down and play it on my DS, hooray!

Though I fear the impending fangasm parade this thread will become...

FinalEVA
07-01-2008, 11:36 PM
Beat me to it. I'm definitely excited! One of the best, if not the best jRPG ever made!!!

Skyline Kyo
07-01-2008, 11:42 PM
Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg

Purple Flames
07-01-2008, 11:58 PM
Great news or GREATEST news?

demifiend
07-02-2008, 01:37 AM
I never got the zany hype over this game... but I will certainly buy it to figure out what it is.

ELFanatic
07-02-2008, 02:28 AM
wait... is this a remake or a port? I'm both excited yet scared of a remake. It's a classic so it's exciting to see an updated version but on that same note, it's a classic, part of me would like it preserved.

I'm split. AWWWWWWW!!!!!

LordDeus
07-02-2008, 04:16 AM
I think I pee'd a lil'

This dwarfs the diablo announcement for me! While I wish we would get a full next-gen remake or a new sequel altogether, this is still awesome enough to make me extremely happy!

UNIT0918
07-02-2008, 05:18 AM
Sweet! I've been wanting to try this game since it has a lot of good reviews. And it'll be portable!

Plus, I can take the PS1 version of this game off my "Get before it goes out of print/gets too expensive" list.

Mesoian
07-02-2008, 07:44 AM
This will be the third time I've bought this damn game.

::Huff::

The FMV cutscenes better be in there.

Quantum9
07-02-2008, 11:33 AM
Sexy press release is sexy:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/chrono-trigger-returns-the-timeless,454846.shtml

Oshi
07-02-2008, 01:00 PM
This is all I have to say:

They better not use the FF3/4 3D engine. No 3D. Just give me higher-res sprites. Oh lawd plz.

TheAnarCHris
07-02-2008, 09:56 PM
OH NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM!
I don't care who says what, This is Square's year. Between Crisis Core, TWEwY, FF4, Dissida and now CTDS, they have been on a streak like no one's business.

FinalEVA
07-02-2008, 11:12 PM
OH NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM!
I don't care who says what, This is Square's year. Between Crisis Core, TWEwY, FF4, Dissida and now CTDS, they have been on a streak like no one's business.

It's been a great year, but I'm hoping next year we'll see FF13 and DQ9. I would like them to shed some light about those titles E3 or TGS.

Hime no Toki
07-03-2008, 04:06 PM
This is terribly exciting news - first the FFIV re-make for the DS, now this. Can't get any better, if you ask me!

Jerseymilk
07-06-2008, 10:16 AM
There's finally an actual trailer up now.
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/ctds/

Arc_The_Lad
07-06-2008, 03:50 PM
Just a port? Lame, looks like square still likes money.

Oshi
07-06-2008, 05:34 PM
Lame? Fuck that, I'm glad they left it the hell alone.

And look at it this way. All the younger generation gamers get to know what the hell we're talking about.

TybaltFlux
07-06-2008, 06:59 PM
Lame? Fuck that, I'm glad they left it the hell alone.

And look at it this way. All the younger generation gamers get to know what the hell we're talking about.

QFT. (Do people still QFT, or has it been replaced by'This' instead? ANYWAYS)

I don't like companies screwing around with classics, especially when classics actually warrant the title of 'classic.' I didn't get to play much of CT the first time around, so I wouldn't want a full go-ahead to be 'tainted' by any hindsight-changes the company comes up with.

Granted, the news of CT-DS motivated me to play through the game once and for all, but I'd rather the same game be present than some remake or reimagination of it.

Mesoian
07-06-2008, 07:38 PM
No. This is lame.

Or perhaps not lame. Because even like this, the worst case scenario is that one of the best RPG's of all time is re-releaesd onto another relevant platform.

But I can already play CT on a relevant platform. The rom is on my PSP, both in SNES and PSX form. I wanted this to be something more. Something new. Something different.

If it's just a direct port, there's hardly any point. I guess this version isn't relevant to me.

Pliskin
07-07-2008, 12:18 PM
And look at it this way. All the younger generation gamers get to know what the hell we're talking about.

That's the problem. Being a straight port, the "younger" generation is going to complain about the low-res sprites, somewhat shoddy translation by today's standards, and a host of other things that could've drawn a "younger" generation into the game.

TybaltFlux
07-07-2008, 12:33 PM
But Pliskin, then that's not drawing people into the game, now is it? I mean, they'll be into CT:DS, but not into CT. Just to use an easy analogy (it'll be super easy to make to you ;P), Twin Snakes isn't what MGS1 on the PS1 was. That or Pokemon Red/Blue and Fire Red and Leaf Green- not the same thing. Are the latter better? I mean, to the regular modern-day gamer, yes, but it also didn't provide the same experience that the originals did. Granted, that original experience is lost in time as people become more and more jaded.

Maybe a few kids would go and play the original, but many would stick to the newer version.

Then again, whether that's a good or bad thing is a question of perspective, I guess. (I liked both TS and FR but that's because I played the originals and liked the nuisances, but with a game I never did much in like CT, I'd wanna play the authentic version)

I guess one way to appease both sides would be to keep the original game, and add some post-game 'expansion-pack'-esque additions to the game, so that the real game isn't hurt, and yet you get some new things along the way- almost like Phoenix Wright's fifth case, completely different than the first four, but added in to keep PW from being a simple port while maintaining it's core structure and story in tact.

LordDeus
07-07-2008, 01:04 PM
I guess one way to appease both sides would be to keep the original game, and add some post-game 'expansion-pack'-esque additions to the game, so that the real game isn't hurt, and yet you get some new things along the way- almost like Phoenix Wright's fifth case, completely different than the first four, but added in to keep PW from being a simple port while maintaining it's core structure and story in tact.

The best way to make everyone happy would be to remake the game but include the original as a playable bonus. But that's never what happens.

I really don't know what to feel about the DS version now. I mean I'm excited CT is getting some much deserved attention finally. While I'm happy the graphics and gameplay are basically untouched, I am disappointed that Square-Enix isn't putting more effort into this release. Still, greatness is greatness so why mess with it? I'm going to buy it because I love and always will love CT.

Then again, the missed potential in this release is still saddening... remember Chrono Ressurection? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxxwZSafh3E) The DS version could've been similar to this and much more. Oh well. I'm still happy were getting SOMETHING.

Michi
07-09-2008, 06:54 PM
I think I may have preferred an enhanced remake (along the lines of what they're doing with the Dragon Quest DS games), but this is good too. I'd rather this over something in the style of FF3/FF4 DS anyway, as much as I like those games.

Pliskin
07-09-2008, 10:25 PM
But Pliskin, then that's not drawing people into the game, now is it? I mean, they'll be into CT:DS, but not into CT. Just to use an easy analogy (it'll be super easy to make to you ;P), Twin Snakes isn't what MGS1 on the PS1 was. That or Pokemon Red/Blue and Fire Red and Leaf Green- not the same thing. Are the latter better? I mean, to the regular modern-day gamer, yes, but it also didn't provide the same experience that the originals did. Granted, that original experience is lost in time as people become more and more jaded.

That's essentially my point though. This does absolutely nothing to interest people who aren't already fans of the game. Its essentially a cash grab to get those who want more of the same game.

It doesn't in any way, shape, or form, become "bringing a classic to a new audience" because lets face it, by today's standards the game is pretty rough around the edges. I think its actually pretty arrogant to claim the game is perfect as it originally was. I sincerely doubt that given the technology available, the game created today would come out like that.

Its a game for fans, not a game to garner new fans, very much like MGS4 was a game for fans.

LordDeus
07-10-2008, 01:18 AM
That's essentially my point though. This does absolutely nothing to interest people who aren't already fans of the game. Its essentially a cash grab to get those who want more of the same game.

It doesn't in any way, shape, or form, become "bringing a classic to a new audience" because lets face it, by today's standards the game is pretty rough around the edges. I think its actually pretty arrogant to claim the game is perfect as it originally was. I sincerely doubt that given the technology available, the game created today would come out like that.

Its a game for fans, not a game to garner new fans, very much like MGS4 was a game for fans.

I dunno about that Pliskin, I mean if there was another re-release of a critically acclaimed game other than this one that I had yet to play I'd probably want to play it in its most original form as I possibly could. Sure a revamping of graphics and what not is nice, but I'd feel I would be missing out on something by not playing it as is. It's enough that generations have gone by and the integrity of the original experience has already been damaged by time. But thats just me, and as sad as it is, some gamers are closeminded enough to not look past dated graphics and gameplay. And personally, those types of gamers don't deserve Chrono Trigger. Period.

demifiend
07-10-2008, 03:08 AM
I dunno about that Pliskin, I mean if there was another re-release of a critically acclaimed game other than this one that I had yet to play I'd probably want to play it in its most original form as I possibly could. Sure a revamping of graphics and what not is nice, but I'd feel I would be missing out on something by not playing it as is. It's enough that generations have gone by and the integrity of the original experience has already been damaged by time. But thats just me, and as sad as it is, some gamers are closeminded enough to not look past dated graphics and gameplay. And personally, those types of gamers don't deserve Chrono Trigger. Period.

I'm a big fan of classic gaming, but I don't think that I should be chastised for liking technical upgrades. If they released a remake of X-COM with polished visuals, I'd quit work to play it.
As for dated gameplay, well, it's kind of hard to argue that people who oppose that "don't deserve" a game like Chrono Trigger. We've become used to more complex and immersive gameplay. I'll get it because A) it comes so highly recommended that so many people can't be wrong about a genre I like so much and B) I want to justify my DS purchase for reasons not called The World Ends With You.

Pliskin
07-10-2008, 10:02 AM
I dunno about that Pliskin, I mean if there was another re-release of a critically acclaimed game other than this one that I had yet to play I'd probably want to play it in its most original form as I possibly could. Sure a revamping of graphics and what not is nice, but I'd feel I would be missing out on something by not playing it as is. It's enough that generations have gone by and the integrity of the original experience has already been damaged by time. But thats just me, and as sad as it is, some gamers are closeminded enough to not look past dated graphics and gameplay. And personally, those types of gamers don't deserve Chrono Trigger. Period.

But that's just it, who are you to decide if someone's experience with a game is right or wrong? Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean its not a viable opinion. I personally, don't like Chrono Trigger and even Final Fantasy VI. They're just too dated for me. Does the fact that I don't like them somehow invalidate my opinion? I don't think so. Did the fact that I thought they were waaay too rough for me to get any enjoyment from change the fact that I didn't get any enjoyment from them? I should hope not.

I'm more inclined to believe that the people who think that those who view older "classic" games as perfect, have a more romanticized view of them. These same people seem to snap whenever someone questions just how good "classic game" is today. Of course, why should it matter if someone else doesn't like a classic game, unless there's some sort of niggling doubt in the back of the mind that said classic game isn't as good as they've built up into their mind.

What people really need to realize, and admit, is that there is a certain romanticism involved with playing an older game, and more often than not it only seems to cloud judgment. I love Metal Gear Solid, and I admit I have a somewhat biased view of it. Objectively, MGS1 is not the best action/stealth game ever made, because its too dated. Conversely, Chrono Trigger is not the best RPG ever made. When people accept that, you can actually play the game with a more realistic approach.

TybaltFlux
07-10-2008, 11:16 AM
But that's just it, who are you to decide if someone's experience with a game is right or wrong? Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean its not a viable opinion. I personally, don't like Chrono Trigger and even Final Fantasy VI. They're just too dated for me. Does the fact that I don't like them somehow invalidate my opinion? I don't think so. Did the fact that I thought they were waaay too rough for me to get any enjoyment from change the fact that I didn't get any enjoyment from them? I should hope not.

I'm more inclined to believe that the people who think that those who view older "classic" games as perfect, have a more romanticized view of them. These same people seem to snap whenever someone questions just how good "classic game" is today. Of course, why should it matter if someone else doesn't like a classic game, unless there's some sort of niggling doubt in the back of the mind that said classic game isn't as good as they've built up into their mind.

What people really need to realize, and admit, is that there is a certain romanticism involved with playing an older game, and more often than not it only seems to cloud judgment. I love Metal Gear Solid, and I admit I have a somewhat biased view of it. Objectively, MGS1 is not the best action/stealth game ever made, because its too dated. Conversely, Chrono Trigger is not the best RPG ever made. When people accept that, you can actually play the game with a more realistic approach.

Oh you're completely right about romantic video game experiences. I've been guilty of it before (hoping for Super Mario RPG2, despite the fact that it won't capture the giddy fanboy love I held for it when it came out on the SNES, and more recently, not feeling the same type of excitement I had for Super Mario 64 when I played Galaxy, despite loving SMG for various other reasons).

But, and this will probably get semi-offtopic, you look at a game like the original MGS1, and we think that it's 'outdated,' by a LOT of objective standards (Controls, graphics, etc), but that doesn't take away from the greatness of the game when it came out. It's almost an artistic question- we don't judge the literary, artistic, or musical works of previous centuries any less just because authors, artists, and composers have built upon them and enhanced the techniques beyond the bounds of the contemporary times.

So using that 'contemporary framework,' we can still argue that MGS1, as well as Super Mario Galaxy, or Super Mario RPG, or FFVII (despite not being a real big fan like others, but it suffers from the era's hurtful graphics and serves as a good point of reference), warrant their greatness titles because of what they did.

Now you take that and apply it to CT:DS or many other games that are ported/remade (I, personally, can't wait for Kirby Super Stars Ultra, just because I loved the original), and you do get two (or more) camps of opinions, both with reasonable cases- basically what we're arguing now about ports v. remakes.

Now, no on can criticize who likes what, because then we're just getting into a silly argument that can be made about anything and ends with 'it's a free country, we can like anything we want to like.'

Again, it'll be a matter of perspective. The people that -are- excited about it are old school gamers, and many (not all, obviously), would want the core gameplay (plus, possibly, something new on the side, preferably original in tact + some type of optional gameplay that doesn't take away from the game). You also look at the company and what they're doing- if they're keeping the game in its original form, then it means that their target audience is the old school gamer. We could get into a discussion about whether or not it's the smartest move on their part to do limit their buyers, but it doesn't really change the topic at hand- basically all that comes out of it is the fact that old school gamers are being in kept in mind, and thus their opinions are little more weighted. Squeenix probably has that in mind, and they probably think that all old schoolers want the original, untouched, unported, same old same old.

It's not to say that that's a globally correct decision, as FFIII DS has proved otherwise, or that old schoolers who wanted a sequel or remake don't have reasons to be upset, but I do think if in their mindset they want to hit that type audience, or at least appease them, this is a good choice.

LordDeus
07-10-2008, 02:38 PM
But that's just it, who are you to decide if someone's experience with a game is right or wrong?

When did I ever judge someone's experience with a game? I just stated that some gamers are like me and would prefer to play a well received game in as close as to the original form as possible. Granted we could just buy the original but why when its being made so readily available like CT is going to be. I still have yet to play Panzer Dragoon Saga, I want to, but I don't want to shell out 100-200 bucks on it. Maybe one day it too will be easier to attain through a remake, and if that ever happened, I would hope that it would contain the original version so I could play that first.

As for my comment on whether certain people deserve Chrono Trigger, I stand by it 110%. I hate close-minded gamers that cannot look past dated graphics and gameplay and use that as an excuse to pass on any titles. Chrono Trigger was a well-made and executed game. That's not an opinion. An opinion would be whether or not I had fun with it. You didn't have fun with it... that's fine. And if anyone wants to bash Chrono Trigger, or any well respected classic title, for having old-school graphics and gameplay, then why should they deserve to share that same gaming experience.

Of course they won't because time has already damaged the integrity of the original experience anyways.

But on to judging classic games.

The romanticism argument is understandable. And yes, some of my favorite games are my favorite because of the time and place I played them. It's hard not to let romanticism get in the way of seeing a game for what it is. Especially when defending your favorite game. But when doing so, try to judge that game based on the time it was released rather than compare it to how things are now. Take amazing games like Yar's Revenge and River Raid for the 2600... amazing games for their time, and thus they are amazing games to this day. Ofcourse you can't say that Yar's Revenge is an amazing game by today's standards, so it's not fair to that game to judge it by that particular mindset. Which is why games like Chrono Trigger will forever be an amazing game.

But whether or not you enjoyed it is completely relative to you, the player. And maybe one day we could share a pitcher of beer and have a discussion as to why you feel that way Pliskin. I'd also be happy to tell you why you're completely wrong about it too. :P jk jk

shivachan
07-12-2008, 05:35 PM
I do also kind of wish they'll do something more with the game. I mean, I already own the game for the PSX. So like, why would I buy this one since I can still play it, now I can just play it on-the-go?

And it's not like you can't find Final Fantasy Chronicles anywhere. I see it everytime I go to my local EB. So why don't they do something new and exciting with it? I'd love to see maybe some new designs. Or some higher-rendered sprites. Chrono Trigger is one of my favourite games of all times. But I would love to see it improved to todays standards.

It's kind of like... how when FFVII: Advent Children came out, people FLOCKED to FFVII but a lot of new fans I know still can't touch the original FFVII game and want a flashier remake. It makes me sad. But it's the truth of the world.

If they re-did FFIV (which is an amazing game in its original form) why can't they remake a classic such as Chrono Trigger? To really bring more fans into the series.

I have mixed feelings about CT: DS

FinalEVA
07-12-2008, 07:43 PM
It's all a question of value for me. I really don't want to spend more than $20 for a game of a port that I already have two copies (SNES & PS1).

The PS1 version was almost unplayable because of the menu loading times. I hope it's nothing like that.

Pliskin
07-12-2008, 09:11 PM
And maybe one day we could share a pitcher of beer and have a discussion as to why you feel that way Pliskin. I'd also be happy to tell you why you're completely wrong about it too. :P jk jk

Better make it something a bit stronger, I'm Irish, LOL.

ELFanatic
07-14-2008, 12:06 PM
I do also kind of wish they'll do something more with the game. I mean, I already own the game for the PSX. So like, why would I buy this one since I can still play it, now I can just play it on-the-go?

And it's not like you can't find Final Fantasy Chronicles anywhere. I see it everytime I go to my local EB. So why don't they do something new and exciting with it? I'd love to see maybe some new designs. Or some higher-rendered sprites. Chrono Trigger is one of my favourite games of all times. But I would love to see it improved to todays standards.

It's kind of like... how when FFVII: Advent Children came out, people FLOCKED to FFVII but a lot of new fans I know still can't touch the original FFVII game and want a flashier remake. It makes me sad. But it's the truth of the world.

If they re-did FFIV (which is an amazing game in its original form) why can't they remake a classic such as Chrono Trigger? To really bring more fans into the series.

I have mixed feelings about CT: DS

I know what you mean, there were a lot of great games for PSX that I wanted my ex (when we were together) to play but she couldn't bring herself to do it because of the graphics. That did make me sad. I think SNES games are a little different, they still look good to me but dated. They can up the resolution and make the game high def.

There is a geeky side of me that wishes for classics to never change. But I know logically that I'm being stupid, mario all stars remade mario 1 and that probably brought new fans but I always play the original. So in the end I feel like there's no reason not to do a remake but they neglect Chrono trigger like crazy. That game could have had a great series. Instead they got A sequel which I didn't feel did the game justice.

kuko-chan
07-15-2008, 10:09 PM
Personally, I'm thrilled that SE is reviving the Chrono Trigger franchise, but I'm disappointed that they aren't bringing something completely new to the table. I've been playing CT since the days of it being on the SNES but I'd like the opportunity to play with improved graphics and gameplay. The whole point of a remake, in my opinion, is to actually REMAKE the game, not get lazy and port it to another console. Improving the graphics would give veterans like myself a reason to actually buy the game and it might attract a younger gaming crowd.

Mesoian
11-24-2008, 11:55 PM
There is stylus control, but it's not required. You can play it completely with the normal controls and the touch screen menus are fully customizable, you can even turn them off completely. The anime cut scenes from the playstatiion version are in this one and you can turn those off as well if you choose.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUCK YEAR!!!!

I'm getting this now.

Michi
11-25-2008, 12:23 AM
The big draw here for me is portability.

I was super jazzed when Sega Genesis Collection came out for PSP and I could play Phantasy Star IV portable. No new features, no nothing. Just my favorite old game, and I could play it wherever and whenever I wanted.

Not just that, but I like curling up in bed with good games. :)

Quantum9
11-25-2008, 12:39 AM
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUCK YEAR!!!!

I'm getting this now.

Nice phantom Necro.

Yeah, I'm getting this. Supposedly, it has a new ending as well, unlocked if you finish the bonus dungeons. Supposedly it hints at a DS remake of Chrono Cross, and (FINALLY) Chrono Break.

Zweihander
11-25-2008, 01:39 AM
It's kind of like... how when FFVII: Advent Children came out, people FLOCKED to FFVII but a lot of new fans I know still can't touch the original FFVII game and want a flashier remake. It makes me sad. But it's the truth of the world.

Actually, I believe they should remake FF7. Then maybe they can make the characters act like human beings (ala Crisis Core) instead of robots (ala FF7), they can upgrade the graphics to something not embarrassing to be caught dead playing (and this is coming from a guy who still goes to the arcade to play Galaga and House of the Dead), and perhaps properly translate it (to get rid of the plot holes/ inconsistencies/ horrible dialogue). Oh, and the Materia system. Too broken. They should make it so when you combine certain Materia, you get significant stat bonuses, like if you were in a Class. Think Golden Sun-esque mix-and-matching. Could make FF7's Materia garbage actually good.

But, back to on-topic: I'll pick this up when it hits $30. $40 is way too much for me to pay for a 15-year-old rom (oh, with a few added features. meh.) when I've already acquired the game on Final Fantasy Chronicles ($10, local used-game store).

UNIT0918
11-25-2008, 03:19 PM
Yeah, perhaps I'll wait for a price drop for this as well. I've got a lot other games that I want first. However, because I haven't played this game before, waiting for a price drop may change if I manage to get the other games that I want before then. :P

Shiroi Ookami
11-25-2008, 04:46 PM
As much as I want to replay this game, $40 is just a bit much IMO. I'm sure it'll go on sale at some point so I can wait.

That being said, this is seriously one of the best RPG's ever made. I know it's been said before, by why couldn't more RPG's use the battle system that is used in CT, rather than the system that FF used? Double and Triple techniques are very much FTW!

TheAnarCHris
11-25-2008, 09:23 PM
Game acquired. Havent gotten into it too much, but man oh man, it's good to be back in the Chronoverse.

DarkFujin
11-28-2008, 06:56 PM
Wow, Chrono Trigger DS has a lot of Chrono Cross references added in. Holy shit. I hope they remake Chrono Cross but slim it down a bit. The original was too much like Suikoden to me what with all the billions of characters and unnecessary sidequests and all. Still fun though! I hope the Chrono series is making a comeback. ("Chrono Break", anyone?)

Zweihander
11-28-2008, 10:51 PM
Wow, Chrono Trigger DS has a lot of Chrono Cross references added in. Holy shit. I hope they remake Chrono Cross but slim it down a bit. The original was too much like Suikoden to me what with all the billions of characters and unnecessary sidequests and all. Still fun though! I hope the Chrono series is making a comeback. ("Chrono Break", anyone?)

I just wish they'd remake Chrono Trigger but give it Chrono Cross' battle system, and have Yasunori Misuda make a new soundtrack for it. Keep the memorable tunes (and enhance them) but FFS, if there's one thing Chrono Cross completely destroyed Trigger in, it's in the music department. Some of CC's tracks (or revisions thereof) would fit nicely in a CT remake.

akiba64
11-30-2008, 10:32 AM
This was a big deal for me, Chrono Trigger is my #1 game of all time. Now fans can go see those anime scenes without suffering through the horrible load times the psx version had. This will hopefully make gathering a CT photoshoot at Acen a bit easier.

And as for CC, am I the only person who thinks that game is a bit overrated?

Zweihander
11-30-2008, 11:01 AM
This was a big deal for me, Chrono Trigger is my #1 game of all time. Now fans can go see those anime scenes without suffering through the horrible load times the psx version had. This will hopefully make gathering a CT photoshoot at Acen a bit easier.

And as for CC, am I the only person who thinks that game is a bit overrated?

I felt CT was horribly overrated but CC was appropriately praised, personally. CT could have done without the ATB junk.

TheAnarCHris
11-30-2008, 01:22 PM
I felt CT was horribly overrated but CC was appropriately praised, personally. CT could have done without the ATB junk.

This. CC catches more crap than it should.

akiba64
12-01-2008, 04:49 PM
In my opinion, CC had a memorable story. But that great story had horrible pacing. And the battle system, it was praised so much, but I thought it was horrible. I found it quite unfeasible,is it really a great idea to have a battle system where you can use each equipped magic only once per battle? Boss battles took forever! And what's the point to having so many characters when you'll never get to know them? I've been meaning to replay it one of these days, cause all that praise makes me think I missed something...

Zweihander
12-01-2008, 06:29 PM
In my opinion, CC had a memorable story. But that great story had horrible pacing. And the battle system, it was praised so much, but I thought it was horrible. I found it quite unfeasible,is it really a great idea to have a battle system where you can use each equipped magic only once per battle? Boss battles took forever! And what's the point to having so many characters when you'll never get to know them? I've been meaning to replay it one of these days, cause all that praise makes me think I missed something...

1. I enjoyed CC's battle system thoroughly, primarily because of the "stamina" system and the complete lack of MP. As for boss battles taking forever, play Xenogears, Skies of Arcadia, or Mushihime-sama (not an RPG, but goddamn, those 6 or 7 minutes of bullet-dodging felt like an eternity) fight the final battle from any of those, then try saying CC's battles took forever...

2. Granted, you didn't get to know the minor characters. However, it did make for great replay value, because you could form your own play-style in terms of battles with the right teams. The fact that most characters were minor and optional gave it that appeal, IMO.

Purple Flames
12-01-2008, 06:56 PM
Beat it yesterday. Just as great as I remembered it the first time i played through 8 years ago. I'm now working my way through all the endings.

I appreciate the fact that they added FF Chronicle's anime cutscenes just to add so0me spice to the story.

akiba64
12-01-2008, 11:28 PM
1. I enjoyed CC's battle system thoroughly, primarily because of the "stamina" system and the complete lack of MP. As for boss battles taking forever, play Xenogears, Skies of Arcadia, or Mushihime-sama (not an RPG, but goddamn, those 6 or 7 minutes of bullet-dodging felt like an eternity) fight the final battle from any of those, then try saying CC's battles took forever...

2. Granted, you didn't get to know the minor characters. However, it did make for great replay value, because you could form your own play-style in terms of battles with the right teams. The fact that most characters were minor and optional gave it that appeal, IMO.

I beat Skies of Arcadia Legend on the GC, but I still think the last boss in CC was more grueling. Its just my opinion. But don't get me wrong, I don't hate the game, it will get a replay out of me yet, one of these days. I probably wouldn't be typing this right now had the game given me an actual ending, though. Now that I think of it, that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me concerning CC.

Michi
12-04-2008, 01:11 AM
Hey guys that own the new DS Chrono Trigger: Is there more than one save slot?

Naruto Tsukiomi
12-04-2008, 02:20 AM
Well since the game came out on birthday i went to got get and got the soundtrack with it as well and i'm at the end of the game already

Zweihander
12-04-2008, 09:26 AM
Hey guys that own the new DS Chrono Trigger: Is there more than one save slot?
I'd imagine they'd give you at least 3 save slots, seems to be the trend nowadays. Plus one save slot for a game based on getting multiple endings would be downright crappy, even for Square. I forget how many the SNES one had, but it's probably the same. (for what it's worth, I did google a bit to try and answer your question. heh.)

Quantum9
12-04-2008, 01:30 PM
Hey guys that own the new DS Chrono Trigger: Is there more than one save slot?

Yep, 3.

Michi
12-04-2008, 03:42 PM
I thought of Googling, but I thought it'd be easier to just ask you guys. Which worked. Thanks! :)

(You'd be surprised, though. Rocket Slime only came with one save slot which was the saddest thing ever.)

I also definitely appreciate the CC love in this thread. I think it's a great game too often judged harshly under the shadow of CT. It was beautiful, had interesting characters, and was a lot of fun to play. I was replaying it a couple years ago, and I should really do it again!

Quantum9
12-04-2008, 06:40 PM
I really liked Chrono Cross, and I think it's one of the best RPGs on the PS1. I know that isn't saying much since Square were the PS1 Gods, but still.

Still, Chrono Trigger outclasses it, IMO. I just got to the future and it really amazes me how much this game drives me to want to keep playing. The story is moving a lot faster than I remember, however, which can be a blessing or curse, however you want to take it.

Naruto Tsukiomi
12-04-2008, 09:05 PM
yeah there are only three slots like the final fantasy games for the ds as well

TheAnarCHris
12-04-2008, 10:13 PM
I really liked Chrono Cross, and I think it's one of the best RPGs on the PS1. I know that isn't saying much since Square were the PS1 Gods, but still.

Still, Chrono Trigger outclasses it, IMO. I just got to the future and it really amazes me how much this game drives me to want to keep playing. The story is moving a lot faster than I remember, however, which can be a blessing or curse, however you want to take it.

I would have rated CC over CT, but the certain points of CC ruins it for me. The whole body swap thing, not to mention the "real" ending cost it some points in my book. But holy hell do I love the OST. And the art. And like 75% of the characters......crap I may need to re-beat CC another 8 times...

Michi
12-15-2008, 12:44 AM
Got it yesterday as an early birthday present. :heart: Now I just have to put down Crisis Core and get back to my DS.

yeah there are only three slots like the final fantasy games for the ds as well

Only? :p 3 is pretty good.

Earthbounder
12-15-2008, 12:58 PM
This. CC catches more crap than it should.

CC catches crap because Square tried to pull a Suikoden and failed. They had way too many characters that just weren't likable and were completely useless being thrown into the game. Also the plot twist in the middle of the game, while socking, peeved me to no ends that I had to play as THAT.

That aside, I will admit I thoroughly enjoyed it and I really liked the battle system, it was a nice change of pace from your standard style battle system. Also Starky, it had Starky.

When it comes down to it though as said by others, CT just ends up being a more memorable experience. I can remember only a few key points from CC, even though I've played through it multiple times. CT on the other hand, I can pretty much give a full plot summary by heart. To each his own though I suppose.

Naruto Tsukiomi
01-31-2009, 02:25 PM
well i have to say i got confused with Chrono Cross when i was lil and then i realize its just the sequel to Chrono Trigger and i beat it in like a month and Chrono Trigger i'm still playing