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Karisu-sama
07-08-2003, 01:11 AM
(This is perennially useful info, so now we are sticky. ^^)

Crossplay chest binding methods recap from previous threads, as I recall:

1) ACE bandages (I strongly recommend 6" wide actual ACE brand; store brands are not as solid - this is my original method.)
2) Tight sport bras
3) Compression shirt: http://www.underworks.com/997.html (works quite nicely, but will show under anything skimpier than a muscle shirt - I used acid dyes to make mine skin-colored)
4) Combination of the above
5) "Waist-trimmer" girdle thing pulled up over the chest - I wear mine backwards to eliminate the vertical center line
6) Lumbar support belt / back brace (for women with larger chests)
7) Tied / pinned cloth wrap or narrow obi
8) Tape (preferably something designed for skin!)

I trial-ran the Sports Tape method (for a binding-less chest front - you can show REAL SKIN all the way down!) at Anime Expo.

a) I used Johnson&Johnson brand sports tape. Unlike duct tape and other such, it's designed for use on skin - typically to add stability to weak wrists, forearms, ankles, shins, fingers & toes. Duct tape and others are also well known to remove lots of skin along with the tape itself, so I had NO desire to even attempt those.

b) I tried this method in order to achieve the "natural guy-chest look" in a low-cut tank-top shirt with only skin showing, not a bandage. Method of application: run one 5-6" strip vertically up the front of each of your "assets" - this will keep you "decent" if your shirt slips, holds you up higher, and provides an anchor strip for the rest. Then run long strips horizontally from one to the other around behind your back, making sure to tape down any bulges showing on the side.

c) I have my doubts about this method working for anyone above a B cup, but I got TOTALLY flat with it. Whoa. *blink*

d) Since sports tape is a nice absorbant cloth tape, liquid foundation worked real well to color the parts of the tape that showed through the loose tank-top arm holes.

e) I did this on two successive days. Each time I started with squeaky-clean showered skin, and the tape did NOT pop off at all the whole day long, even after lots of running around and posing and sweating through the masquerade and evening dances. In addition, it was pretty comfortable. I think it constricted my breathing less than an ACE bandage (and not enough to trouble me.)

f) Caveat: The first day I took it off rather too enthusiastically (I was in a hurry and tired), and since the skin on the chest is not nearly as tough as the skin on one's extremities (or one's back, apparently), I actually did lose about 1cm sq. of top-layer skin in one spot. >.< I was much more careful the second day (didn't retape that spot either, obviously), but I did lose a couple more very small pieces (2-3mm sq., times 2) in nearby places. (NOTE: See EDIT 2 below for my latest theory on skin loss via this method - it's actually due to blisters forming!! Not tape glue being too strong.)

g) Result: I was happy with the effect while wearing it. I might consider trying this again, but I may not get any more chances because my husband was super-freakin' pissed at "the damage". (He already hates it when I bind. Grrr. It's not like I do it except for crossplay a couple days a year! I also cosplay GIRLS, for heaven's sake!! In fact, I typically cosplay more girls than guys!) Oh well. I suppose I can continue to Photoshop ACE out of my photos... :(

EDIT: Post #62 in this thread describes this tape method in even more TMI detail!!
Post #4 and post #44 have my attachment pics of the result; there's another one somewhere in this thread that Mochihead posted from Cutekawaii's pics too...

EDIT 2: I find itchiness under the tape usually means a blister is going to happen. Blisters = loss of 1 layer of skin on the spot where the blister is, so I try to pay attention to that. I do not like to lose skin.

EDIT 3: SPORTS TAPE METHOD as used for FULLY OPEN FRONT SHIRT: http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=229474

EDIT 4: Professional medical-quality adhesive remover is my best (crossplay taping) friend now. Opti-Sol brand, BTW: http://www.mhrw.com/c_solvents.html

mochihead
07-08-2003, 03:24 PM
Wow! Karisu-sama, you got it in a nutshell! *winces at skin loss* I so hate it when that happens. I've found that a combination of some rubbing alcohol, followed later by a nice soak in a hot shower helps me to avoid war wounds.

*blinks & re-reads post* What? Karisu-sama's Boob Fairy didn't make one single appearance in her entire post?

ps - Congratulations on your Award at AX! You & your family are just amazing!

Gren
07-08-2003, 03:31 PM
Baby oil helps you work your way under duct tape to get it ff the skin. Should work just as well with sports tape

Karisu-sama
07-08-2003, 08:22 PM
Baby oil... hmmm... don't have any of that, but I did use some nail polish remover. Wasn't quite good enough, though.

My husband's attitude is the biggest barrier I have. >.< I think he is somehow afraid (and WHY?) that I don't want to be a girl, LOL - I am perfectly HAPPY to actually be a girl! And to actually HAVE boobs, as well as a 10" waist-hip differential! However, I really love the silly guy, and for the sake of harmony.... *sigh*

Here you go, Mochihead: "Boob Fairy" :p Oh, and thanks so much - I heard YOU provided yummies for one of those gatherings on the Hilton Mezzanine I was at; Jarod's B-day party, right? ^^

Got a piccy I took in the hotel mirror - where did my chest go? o.O.......

Chosuke
07-08-2003, 08:30 PM
Karisu.. can you match A.B. etc. with proper number..
I can't figure out which is which..^^;;;;

and I think someone should make this binding thread STICKY

edit:HOLY O-O..THAT ONE PIC YOUR CHEST IS...PERFECT

Karisu-sama
07-08-2003, 10:24 PM
Chobrat: a) through g) all go with #7, the tape method.
"sticky", LOL....

Yeah, I wanted Dilandau's "boy chest" to look completely REAL for once.... :p ^^

mochihead
07-08-2003, 11:06 PM
*dances around* YAY! The boob fairy made her appearance - and still managed to miss me. D'oh! I'll settle for ogling Karisu-sama's manly chest. LOL

You know, I never thought of baby oil before. Although I have used major body lotion & even hair conditioner at one point. Of course, I never stuck duct tape to my chest, either. I figured if little band-aids could rip off skin and scar me, then there was no way in hell I was going to even try the industrial stuff! X_X

Hmm. Never thought about the vertical anchor strip, either. Will definitely have to try that. Don't know why the hell I didn't think of that!

/off-topic/ Yup. If you were at Jarod's bday party, and ate any of the cookies (oatmeal or double-chocolate mocha) then you did eat some of the yummies that I made. I baked 'em and shipped 'em over since there was no way in hell I was going to make it to AX. (Music gigs always come first, and summer is the season for them. Gotta make use of my degree!)

Karisu-sama
07-09-2003, 01:38 AM
The cookies were YUMMY!!! ^____^ I hope there will be a time you ship yourself over too, so I can meet you! ^____^

Wyna Hiros
07-09-2003, 02:23 AM
[Deleted. Sorry, left Cosplay.com due to lack of time/interest]

mochihead
07-09-2003, 04:06 AM
Ace clippies much better than sticky adhesive. :)

AHHHH! Everyone ogle the Karisu-sama's manly chest! (Thanks to cutekawaii!)
http://moonglow.nu/nikkichan/cosplay/cons/ax03/101.jpg

ps - I hope to ship myself off too, Karisu-sama! I just loves you & your family & want to meet all of you! I promise mochi & other yummies when I do make it up there!

evaneko
07-09-2003, 07:16 AM
:O impressive results- if I ever need "man boobs" i will have to try this method... ^^

Chosuke
07-09-2003, 08:43 AM
That is the best un-chest I have ever seen xD

Karisu-sama
07-09-2003, 03:38 PM
Uh, thanks... I think.... :p *LOL*

Lyn
07-09-2003, 07:19 PM
Wow, Karisu-sama, that is such a great job in that picture! I saw pictures of you and your family at AX. You guys rock. ^_^ Its so great to see a family cosplaying together.

Well, I finally got two ACE bandages for Otakon though they're the new sticky kind. I couldn't find the clip kind anywhere. x_x I'm still working at a good method with them. My friends suggested using a sports bra with it so I will try that as well.

Well I did get them to not move quite as much as they usually do. x_x; And they do look about a cup size smaller so I'm making progress. I don't think I'll be able to get them flat but I'd like to at least get them a bit smaller so that they're not quite as noticeable because I'm getting tired of people pointing them out at every con I go to when I'm crossplaying. I became known as "C-Cup Cloud" for a while. ~_~;

Karisu-sama
07-09-2003, 10:23 PM
OK, for Mochihead (and anyone else! ): here is a really ghetto insta-cosplay of Karisu as a lame version of the Boob Fairy: :p

mochihead
07-09-2003, 11:57 PM
*clutching tummy, rolling on floor* wheeze. wheeze! Can't breathe. laughing too hard.

Ode to the Boob Fairy
an original homage by mochihead

Boob Fairy, Boob Fairy
You've blessed some, but not me
But I'd rather be small
Than size C, D or E!

Boob Fairy, Boob Fairy
You just passed me by
But that makes it easy
To crossplay a guy!

Boob Fairy, Boob Fairy
You skipped Karisu, too
But all the better to ogle
Her manly unchest Dilandu!


*bows* thank you, thank you. No money please.

Karisu-sama
07-10-2003, 12:15 AM
ROTFLMAO!!! *wheeze* *cough* *dies*

Wyna Hiros
07-10-2003, 12:17 AM
[Deleted. Sorry, left Cosplay.com due to lack of time/interest]

darienicole
07-10-2003, 12:30 AM
O_O
Sugoi! That is my new mantra!
*sob* I love crossplay. I think this is the first time I have ever been glad to be a 36A...

Karisu-sama
07-10-2003, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by darienicole
O_O
Sugoi! That is my new mantra!
*sob* I love crossplay. I think this is the first time I have ever been glad to be a 36A...
You and me both . ~___^ 36 AB here.

mochihead
07-10-2003, 12:54 AM
*waves and bows again to everyone* Thank you, thank you. I'm available for showings at a coffee house near you.

Depending on the - er - moon *blink blink* I'm also somewhere between 36A-B. I like being relatively small - I don't hit myself in the face, I can do situps, I can lie down on my stomach. And it's easy to buy & wear clothes. (I also don't have hips, but that's another thread.) And after seeing what my girlfriend went through with her breast reduction, *shudders* . . .(why do all my friends feel the need to share EVERYTHING with me? I soooo do not need to see swollen cut up boobs! X_X)

Karisu-sama
07-10-2003, 01:37 AM
I do martial arts, and I have never even wanted the Boob Fairy to make a return pass by me, heh...

Oi, but I do gots da nice child-bearing 36" hips. Pain in the butt for crossplay, LOL ^^

mochihead
07-10-2003, 01:46 AM
>_<

Karisu-sama: you're so gonna anger the pun gods with that last comment!

The only time that I wanted boobs was when I have mammograms done. Maybe they'd stop trying to stretch me out from here to San Diego. It's like,
"EXCUSE ME! But those are my boobs that you are turning into pancakes."
"No, wait, we just need a little more to get a good picture."
"There isn't any more! *points to machine* See that little dimple over there? You've already pulled my belly button up into the xray!"

Karisu-sama
07-10-2003, 01:52 AM
Eeek! Mammograms!! Haven't had one yet. *freeze* Uh, oh. I'm now old enough that I'm definitely supposed to get one. *ACK.* *ACK ACK ACK.*

Boy, are we off-topic.... :p

RHIshida
07-10-2003, 05:50 AM
Heh. I think it's funny how my chest is larger than a guy's chest usually should be. Even though I am pudgy, it's still larger than it should be. The Boob Fairy apparently made a mistake and accidentaly gave me a slight strange gift XD

kuro_nezumi
07-13-2003, 05:49 PM
I envy you people who the boob fairy skipped. I think she visted me twice v_v. I tried binding but it didn't work as well Karisu-sama's sucess's. But Karisu-sama your success are great! They're really impressive.

mochihead
07-14-2003, 01:18 AM
*bows down & worships Karisu-sama's manly unchest again*

Karisu-sama
07-14-2003, 01:33 AM
Silly silly silly! :p My husband calls it "freakish". :mad: (Whas'isproblem; I can revert, and I don't look like that normally! )

lumichan
07-14-2003, 02:00 AM
Well I have nothing to say in relation to binding, but I must commend you on your Ode to the Boob Fairy, mochihead! :rofl: I think she missed my house too. ^_~

mochihead
07-14-2003, 02:59 AM
Thanks lumichan, but all the credit goes to Karisu-sama. Without her & Boob Fairy, there would have been no inspiration & *kisses fingertips* no manly unchest to ogle. *sobs* *weeps tears of joy*

Oh, and to go back on topic again, make sure you use WIDE sports tape for the horizontal strips. Was having some fun yesterday trying to strap down the boobies, but could only find the 1" tape. Yikes! Looked like a blasted mummy gone bad. LOL

Chosuke
07-14-2003, 10:32 AM
Bow down to the unchest!!

Augh.. i'm in gr.9 and I have 46B now x_X;
And my mom says oh so cheerfully 'When you grow up,you're going to have a chest just like me!!' Like I worry about being flat or something,If she only knew..x_X; God..I can feel the backproblems already from natural D's

Karisu-sama
07-14-2003, 03:50 PM
Here, I did a cut 'n paste of some posts off the guy-tuck thread, to put on-topicness that belongs here in the relevant place...
Originally posted by Mizuno Tenshi
3M Transpore tape is a good choice. It's a clear, strong, hypo-allergenic medical tape. Has a little bit of stretch too, which makes it more comfortable. http://www.3m.com/us/home_leisure/n.../flexible.jhtml
(Karisu: ) Hmmm: I see it comes in a 2" width: good. But it's clear -oops. I need to still be decent when I bend over = my low-cut shirt gives a clear view of..... stuff. Yeah, why are GUY'S nipples not considered indecent exposure, huh? Bloody double standards!! Make 'em put on SHIRTS! :p

Karisu-san, here's another type of tape that'll help. Honestly, anything medical grade sounds better and less likely to screw up your skin. http://www.3m.com/us/home_leisure/n.../advanced.jhtml
There's also a paper tape you may want to use for the most sensitive areas, like over the nipples, but it won't hold as strongly.
(Karisu: ) Believe it or not, it's not what you'd expect; it's NOT the nipple part that's the problem. It's the surprisingly tender skin on the lower part of what little I do have. Ouch. >.< Nipples have to be kinda durable - they are designed to nurse babies (something I've had plenty 'o experience at. :p )

Cyber Wolf
07-14-2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Karisu-sama
Baby oil... hmmm... don't have any of that, but I did use some nail polish remover. Wasn't quite good enough, though.

My husband's attitude is the biggest barrier I have. >.< I think he is somehow afraid (and WHY?) that I don't want to be a girl, LOL - I am perfectly HAPPY to actually be a girl! And to actually HAVE boobs, as well as a 10" waist-hip differential! However, I really love the silly guy, and for the sake of harmony.... *sigh*

Here you go, Mochihead: "Boob Fairy" :p Oh, and thanks so much - I heard YOU provided yummies for one of those gatherings on the Hilton Mezzanine I was at; Jarod's B-day party, right? ^^

Got a piccy I took in the hotel mirror - where did my chest go? o.O.......

O.O;;; Where DID it go? ~_~ Eh, scared me for a moment there it did, lol. I'll just have to try this method out ^^

Faye Valentine
07-17-2003, 09:35 PM
Wow...boob-less!! I MUST try that!!!! *is excited*

<off topic>Karisu-sama: do you have any pictures of you and your family cosplaying?

Karasu
07-23-2003, 06:07 AM
I might have to do the Ace bandage thing you suggested.

So far I have been doing a sports bra and duct tape. Breathing was a little difficult, so I was looking for new opinions. Most of the upcoming cosplay ideas for me. . .are crossplay.

The trouble for me is I am a C. The duct tape route hurts after a while. In AX03 I was Katan from Angel Sanctuary and I actually pulled a muscle in my rib cage because I was breathing weird. Damn the duct tape!!!! *shakes fist in the air*

Oh, Karisu-sama, I saw you and your family at AX03. Everyone looked awesome! I loved the Dragonslayer's armor. What is that made of, by the way?? Just curious! ^_^

Beware_UY7
07-23-2003, 09:32 AM
Hey, dun' feel bad, I'm a C-cup too. Actually C-D. Yeah, binding can hurt for us girls, but it shouldn't make it harder to breath if you're breathing properly. When you breath, remember, your chest shouldn't rise and fall! Your lower abdomin should expand when you inhale and contract when you exhale. Most people don't know that about breathing unless they have musical training, but if you didn't know before, you do now.
If you remember this, it also makes binding more comfortable for longer periods of time. (Although it's always nice to rip bandages off and be able to stretch)

Vialoi Ketsueke
07-23-2003, 11:48 AM
..I think the boob fairy gave me a visit four times when I was asleep one night. ..I envy you B cups..-.-, not to mention A, and C.

Karasu
07-23-2003, 05:59 PM
*ponders* Yeah, I guess I do breathe wrong. I did have voice lessons, but that was a long time ago. I guess I forgot. That and I kept running after cosplayers to get their picutres! ^_^ As bad as a C is, I am just glad I am not a D, that would really hurt.

Stretching after the binding is off is excellent!!!!

megumibish
07-23-2003, 09:14 PM
here's an interesting tape link
http://www.generalbandages.com/
the guard tex doesn't adhere to skin really but hold tight and steadfast when overlapping itself. so no ripped off skin. i use it at work for my fingers and it's great. than and they have wide tapes.

Karisu-sama
07-23-2003, 09:20 PM
Ace Bandage method:
I use 6"wide NON-STICKY ACE brand (brand is important! ACE is much more resilient!) bandages, with the clip closure, not the velcro kind. (Walgreens usually carries 'em.) Wrap around, but not too tight so that your ribs hurt, adjust what you have under them up and out to the sides. If you are "bigger" than I (most women seem to be, including my 12-year-old daughter), you may need two of them. If that's not enough, ACE bandages are not your method of choice.

Advantages: Easy to adjust, or take off and redo in the ladies' room.

Drawbacks: Bandage shows with a low-cut shirt. :( Bandage tends to wiggle down after a while, and needs some pulling up. If you wrap down the ribs as well, this is minimized (but DON'T wrap too tight on the ribs - you WILL be in major PAIN. )

It works well enough, but I thought I could breathe better with the tape, and it constrained the muscles less. Like I said, though, I may get s*** from the SO if I try the tape again. :( In any case, by the end of one day at Y-con, I just ditched the bandage altogether and went around with nothing on under that tank top - it felt soooooo good to be free....

I've tried the "control-top panty-hose used as a "tank top" method". (The legs & crotch are cut out to make the armholes and neck hole.) I'm NOT impressed.
a) It didn't flatten ME out enough. (!!!) Maybe enough for a loose thick shirt high-necked shirt - but *I* need REALLY flat.
b) The "shoulder straps" really dug into my shoulders very painfully from the moment I put it on. NOT acceptable.
c) You have a seam up the front of your body. :(

Faye Valentine: Attached should be a pic of my family cosplaying at AX03.

Karasu: The armor is made out of Celluclay, over a base made from pieces of plastic collander and cardboard. It's not as nice as I wanted it to be, because it needed about 5 more days of spackle & sanding that I did not have... Oh well *plans to re-work it*

Karisu-sama
07-23-2003, 09:27 PM
Eeee, Megumibish! Lowell Massachusetts! We used to own a house there, close to Chelmsford! - Lived there for 5 years before moving to CA! ^^

Guard Tex might work for an all-around bind (never tried it), but wouldn't work for my "guy cleavage" method - I actually DO need something that sticks to skin. (Just that doesn't take it off afterward! :p )

Agrias
07-24-2003, 10:09 AM
I wish the boob fairy could make a pass by me.. :(

Also, I wish the waist/hip differential fairy could pass by me too >:P

Karasu
07-25-2003, 02:39 AM
Celluclay? I haven't heard of that, but that's not a surprise. The craft thing is kind of new to me. Well, I thought the armour looked really nice besides.

How did you do the "guy cleavage" anyways, Karisu-sama?? I have a future costume that requires guy cleavage. Do I just ace bandange it and leave the rest to Photoshop or is there an actual technique??

Karisu-sama
07-25-2003, 03:35 AM
When I use an ACE bandage, I usually whack the pics with Photoshop afterward to replace that bandage with "skin". However, at AX this year, what one saw WAS actually skin, not ACE. I used Sports Tape wrapped basically from the center vertical line of the breasts only around the back of my body: the method is explained in the very first post in this thread.

I think it worked amazingly well for looks (see attachment.) The chest I DO actually have totally disappeared! :p Like I said though, I might not get another chance to try it. (Rats!) It freaked my husband out, not the least because I did lose a bit of skin when I took it off.

EDIT: Celluclay is a fancy pulp paper-mache stuff. Pretty cool, dries veeeeery slowly, though. Sculptamold is a similar product which dries faster because it has plaster in it, but that makes it heavier, so I went with the Celluclay. Both products can be cut and sanded when dry.

Karasu
07-25-2003, 04:09 AM
*ponders* I might have to do the ACE bandage thing. I could try the sports tape, but I am a C and you said it might not work for people above a B. I could try before Anime Iowa, haven't got much to lose. ^_^

Celluclay. . .. I'll have to keep that is mind for later!

megumibish
07-25-2003, 03:03 PM
eeekkk!! love the family pic!!! that and recently moved to lowell. i lived there before but that was 6 yrs ago. i miss texas, heh and i used to live in long beach california tooz...my family gets around...lets just say... just i don't know where to find anything...sah~~~

Kendo_Bunny
07-29-2003, 08:38 PM
Maybe I should have thought twice before making my own Dilandau costume... I'm almost a DD, and am just a large girl in general. The first time I wore my Dil, I didn't bind at all, considering I once made a wardrobe mistress almost cry when she saw what she was supposed to tape down. So, instead of playing an old man, she insisted they adjust the part for me to be an old woman ^^;;

I've tried various methods before, including layering tight sports bras (works for about a day if I'm not doing anything strenuous, about 3 hours if I am -_-) and once tried ACE bandages, only to find out they would not hold anything in. Nothing seems to work, although I did try a flesh-tone tank top to make me less obvious. It's not so obvious in this shot (the best one I have) but I looked like Dilandau in a Fat Elvis period. *sighs*

http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=54745&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

Karisu-sama
07-29-2003, 09:02 PM
Kendo_Bunny: Ace bandages don't work above a C to my knowledge, if not eperience... One of my rather-well-endowed friends uses a lumbar support belt to hold herself in, although it does look better under a jacket than a tank-T, since it's a big thick white thing. (She cosplays Gatti!) It might help; maybe even with a flesh-tone shirt over it?

*hugs* ^^ *likes other Dilandau cosplayers*

Kendo_Bunny
07-29-2003, 11:46 PM
Well, I'm doing the coat eventually... when I can afford however many yards of black and red leather. I'll try the lumbar support thing... which will also come in handy with my Desert Bandit Yamcha ^^;
I love Dilandau enough to cosplay him every convention, but those pants get hot...

Thanks for the idea *hugs back*:D *also likes other Dilandau cosplayers*

Karisu-sama
07-30-2003, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by Kendo_Bunny
I love Dilandau enough to cosplay him every convention, but those pants get hot...
Me too. ^^ And I do.

My pants are leather, but my jacket is actually a woven fabric which imitates leather in photos pretty well - it's a lot cooler (and a lot cheaper!), even with a full lining. (I survived Anaheim in July!) The red parts on mine are suede.

Sometimes for the "casual look" I wear black silk pants (especially if I'm going to a con dance!)

Good luck with binding! And I'm looking forward to seeing your jacket when you make it! :)

positivespace
08-01-2003, 01:39 AM
Oh man, am I glad to have found this thread! My best friend and I are crossplaying two of the boys from Battle Royale at Ani-Magic and in the movie they basically have their shirts half-unbuttoned while they're working on their stuff. I was thinking of the small sports bra method, but remembered how much I hated wearing ones that fit when I used to play basketball... so there was no way a small one was going to be fun.

I'm DEFINITELY going to try the sports tape method... that picture of you in your Dilandau undershirt is freakin' insane, Karisu-sama... (in a good way, of course). And, I guess I can understand why your husband was a little freaked. But hell, that alone should've won you another craftsmanship award in my opinion! ;D

Apsara
08-01-2003, 04:00 AM
*wincing* I guess there is no way to disguise a C cup...I guess, I'm happy to see that Kurikara's kimono top is roomy...

It would be nice though to be completely flat...

Apsara

mochihead
08-01-2003, 06:16 PM
*wanders in*

positivespace: You mean the craftsmanship award that Karisu-sama won wasn't just for her manly unchest?

*laughs hysterically, wanders back out*

positivespace
08-02-2003, 09:26 PM
mochihead: I would HATE to see the judge's notes if that were true!

example: Dilandau man-cleavage most convincing for a man...boy...girl... waitaminute... damnit...give the woman... person... something an award! *stares at Karisu-sama's chest more*

digikoomi
08-03-2003, 09:08 PM
yay~ now we solve the chest problem but how about woman's butt?? how can we hide our butt??? woman have big butt >.<

Pendrell
08-03-2003, 09:24 PM
Don't I know it. ;_;
*lol*
It presents for quite the quandary when cosplaying as, say, Subaru from TB. >.< That bodysuit's giving me nightmares. The HIPS! The BUTT! Well, not much I can do about hip width, anyway. e.e I'll just go with the whole 'Subaru is more girly than his twin sister' loophole. *l*

And nevah face the camera full-on forward. x_x;;

blackmadonna
08-03-2003, 09:26 PM
Wow, I wish I could do that! :(

I am a D Cup [nice in RL] and I'm playing Mana. [sucks at a con] :(

Alas, women playing men playing women is not a good thing if you have a large chest!

nekochan
08-04-2003, 08:41 PM
wow... i didn't know ace sticky tape could do THAT MUCH. lol. i think i'll just... try it to school one day, just to test it out and practice for crossplay. hahaha i also want to see what people would say.... but yeah, thanks karisu-sama for the tips ^~

Karisu-sama
08-04-2003, 09:08 PM
Ace sticky tape? *confused*

I use 6" wide ACE brand stretchy bandages (not the self-sticky kind) for bandage binding, and I used 2" wide white Johnson and Johnson brand Sports Tape for the tape method. (liquid foundation colors the white tape really nicely if it shows, BTW - Sports Tape is a cloth tape.)

Just nobody say I didn't warn you if you try the tape method and it takes a bit of skin off upon removal, LOL... (I think I might possibly be able to avoid that now that I know where my skin is most delicate.) But DAMN, it worked well...

Beware_UY7
08-05-2003, 11:04 AM
Haha! I know what people mean with the hips thing. I have big hips, but one thing I've noticed that gives me a more boyish figure (even when I'm not trying to crossplay) is a camisole leotard. I have one by Bloch in a Cotton/Poly/Spandex material, so it doesn't stretch as much as something that's Tactel/Lycra. It makes my butt and hips look smaller. And then my pants wont stay up... since they usually rest on my hips...

nekochan
08-07-2003, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by Karisu-sama
Ace sticky tape? *confused*


oops, my mistake ^^;; sorry! i meant what you said. haha. but yes... on the going vertical part... i'm kind of confused (yes, sounds stupid.. but i'm kinda slow... uahaha..) if possible, could you explain that a little better? like... which way to go... from the top or from the bottom...? thanks :D

Karisu-sama
08-07-2003, 07:41 PM
Warning: TMI follows on tape application for chest binding to achieve a "natural guy cleavage" look.

Advantages: a) NO tape down the middle front of your body at all. :) You can wear a shirt open to your waist if you want! b) No shoulder straps either, unlike a sport bra (Ace bandages eliminate shoulder straps, but still leave binding in the front of your body.)

Caveats: a) I bet this will only work for women size B or less. b) It is possible to lose skin from this method, even though sports tape is designed for use on skin. I did. if it happens to you, don't whine at me.

Tape: Assume a 2" wide piece of cloth Sports Tape about 6 inches long. Attach one end of the tape strip to the skin of the lower breast about 2" below the nipple, then apply the tape vertically upwards, pulling up as you go to try to get "lift" and "flatten". It will cover the nipple. Tape on nipples = shouldn't be a problem; nipples are pretty resilient (I nursed two kids; I know!) - this is not where I had problems. I lost some small bits of top-layer skin around the original attachment point on the lower breast area (when I removed the tape at the end of the day.)

If you feel this is too exposed you can attach additional strips in the same way to either side of the first one, which overlap it.

OK, that's your "anchor", and gives some lift. Then you run horizontal strips from one anchor around your back to the other anchor. This pulls your boobs outward, which automatically flattens the boob area on the chest side of the vertical strips. The boob area on the underarm side will be flattened by holding it in to your body with the tape.

You might want to alternate which side you start on each time to keep the tension even. Overlap of the strips is good, and make them only as tight as necessary to hold you in. Try not to let the tape get twisted or stuck to itself. When you have enough sround-the-back strips to flatten to the sides whatever bulging areas were left, you are done. You can put another vertical piece to cover the ends of the horizontal pieces if you like.

It didn't pop off me at all, not even when breathing in a lot or flexing, probably because I made sure my skin was clean and free of oils first. (Of course, that probably made it more susceptible to losing skin when I took it off. :( )

The tape runs pretty high under your arms, so if you're going for a loose-cut sleeveless look like I was, it helps to use liquid foundation to color the white tape under your arms to make it pretty unobtrusive. Cloth sports tape colors nicely with foundation.

When you take the tape off, remove it VEEEEEERY SLOOOOOOWLY and CAREFULLY. Baby oil may help.

OK; detailed enough for you? ;)

Mizuno Tenshi
08-07-2003, 07:50 PM
Hun, you really need to try that medical tape... has anyone tried it yet?
Sports tape is often put on top of something called "Tuf-skin", which is a skin protectant. It helps the tape stick better.
For those girls who are nervous about their nipples getting pulled, would putting a bandaid over that area (soft, non-sticky part covering it) work? Just an idea.

BUT TRY THE MEDICAL TAPE! It's clear too, so shouldn't be insanely obvious.

Tenshi

Mizuno Tenshi
08-07-2003, 07:55 PM
Oh, and while I'm at it... about the whole leo thing. Bloch leos might help, but for any taller girls, look for a brand called Mirella. They make extra-long sizes. Bloch may be doing Extra-long soon too... but not yet. :)

Tenshi

Karisu-sama
08-07-2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Mizuno Tenshi
Hun, you really need to try that medical tape... has anyone tried it yet?
Sports tape is often put on top of something called "Tuf-skin", which is a skin protectant. It helps the tape stick better.
For those girls who are nervous about their nipples getting pulled, would putting a bandaid over that area (soft, non-sticky part covering it) work? Just an idea.

BUT TRY THE MEDICAL TAPE! It's clear too, so shouldn't be insanely obvious.

Tenshi
I have bookmarked your tape site, but I also DID mention in a previous post that I may never be able to try tape (of any kind) again because it freaked my husband too much. :p - I mean SERIOUSLY freaked.

I would imagine if one uses the clear medical tape one has to put a piece of opaque tape over the nipple area, or something else opaque. There IS a nutso double standard that frowns on women's nipples being visible, and I doubt it would be relaxed for crossplayers...

Mizuno Tenshi
08-07-2003, 10:29 PM
Hmm... sounds like you need to get hubby in a skirt... ;) He might like it! hehe....
Well, bandaid would help cover the nipple without pulling. *shrugs*

Tenshi

mochihead
08-07-2003, 11:06 PM
ick. It's not the nipple. bleh bleh bleh. It's all that sensitive skin area on the actual breast itself. I have some beautiful scars (>_<) on my boobs from some of the bandaids I've used to cover the nipples. Hubby was not happy about the scars. One of the scars look like someone bit me. V^^^V

But if you use bandaids, use the GENTLE CARE ones. Not comfort, not sports, not waterproof or what have you.

I suppose I could try to find some cosplay that could work that in, but, who...hmmm.

*Imagine's Didjiman in a skirt along with Karisu's manly unchest*

*faints*

Karisu-sama
08-08-2003, 12:08 AM
SSSHHHHH!!!! Don't TELL him about scars!!! Last thing I need is more @#%& from him about this!! - I don't think I got scars; it was only spots of top-layer skin, it looks like it healed normally, and the discoloration is starting to lighten up. *knocks on wood*

~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think we'll be able to get didjiman in a woman's skirt in a deceased condition only, although he's been willing in the past to wear a kilt, sarong & ancient Sumerian men's wrap-skirt thing. As long as it's "guy clothes", not crossplay. :p


Good thing he hasn't read this thread. Yet. :/

mochihead
08-08-2003, 12:22 AM
mmmpppphhh. oops. sorry. mum's the word.

*whistles innocently* No, no, didjiman. I don't know what you're talking about or where you heard about scars...

whew. I'm going to have to decide if I'm actually going to crossplay at AM, and just who & how much manly unchest I'm willing to put up with. Will probably just be wrapped, though, and not man cleavage.

Mizuno Tenshi
08-08-2003, 12:23 AM
Karisu-san... if you want to scare him away from this forum entirely... have him read my post on 'Tucking" ;)

Tenshi

Karisu-sama
08-08-2003, 04:11 AM
I don't think he needs more excuses for going ballistic about tape. :/ He seems to think trying to go for as much realism as possible in what is merely a temporary illusion makes people "freaks".... ;(

Obviously he was never a theater geek like me... ;(

It's not like I even "pack". I don't. ;( Don't see any need whatsoever to do that. ;( Not trying to have ppl stare at my crotch. ;(

mochihead
08-08-2003, 08:35 AM
pffft. Like anyone could get their eyes past your manly unchest anyway, Karisu-sama. They'd never even get to your crotch.

Karisu-sama
08-08-2003, 03:44 PM
Actually, they're supposed to stare at my maniac grin and "sharp" prop sword. :p

Mizuno Tenshi
08-08-2003, 07:05 PM
My eyes are on the unchest... Just the idea that it's possible! Hmm... anyone ever ask to poke and check it out? I mean, so many people will poke at a guy crossplayer's falsies... :D

Tenshi

Karisu-sama
08-08-2003, 09:26 PM
Yes, the "unchest" is possible. And afterwards I STILL am a 36B. :p

Nah, nobody DARES poke Karisu (or dares to ask!), nobody even DARES glomp Karisu without asking nicely (and often rather timidly!) for permission either.... I seem to be rather intimidating... hmmm...

Ya wouldn't think so. I'm only 5'8.5", and a scrawny 125 lbs or so. And I'm friendly! I don't bite! (All right, depending. ;) )

Sephiroth-chan
08-11-2003, 08:54 AM
Chest binding IS a royal pain, sometimes. -_-. For my Sephiroth Costume, i had used the ankle wrap bandages about my chest. Well ,they kept slipping, so I bound the suckers tight and safety pinned them then use clear skin latex over a nude body top. BAD move. it discolors it a darker hue. Then again...it seemed well enough to look appealing.

Now for the big problem. While I was waiting for the Cosplay to organize and eventually START, I began to feel tightness..then suddenly PAIN. Try placing a about 5-7 Houston Area phone books on your chest and lay down. Yeah..THAT pain. Well, because of their disorganization, they were about an hour and a half late...and just my luck...we were one of the last to perform. The crew was nice enough to let me lie down behind stage until it was our turn, but I was determined to continue.

Well, we went through the battle skit (ouch). I must admit, acting out pain was easy...but regaining a pokerface was tough. But I felt something give...and what Candice (Cherry) warned me about with breaking ribs scared me. And then, Joy of joys, we had the awards. Which I couldn't wait to be over. I nearly went up to throttle to the winsome wench judge who prattled on and on about ANYTHING but what the people were here for. Finally, as they announced the last, I was out of there.

Bless your heart, Candice...I love you for helping me unwrap and checking to make sure nothing was broken.

oh, and the reason I found out WHY the wraps kept slipping....-_-...was I was too flat to have anything to HOLD the wraps on.

The moral of this story?

1. Be Careful when binding girls. Nothing hurts quite like slowly crushing your ribs
and
2.Treat the Medic Staff like Gods (or Goddesses). They are our saviours.

Sephiroth-chan

PS- Did anyone else find the corset scene from Pirates of the Caribbean as ironically amusing as I did?

Karasu
08-12-2003, 12:34 AM
By: Sephiroth-chan
Did anyone else find the corset scene from Pirates of the Caribbean as ironically amusing as I did?

I found it hilarious! "Clearly you've never been to Singapore." *laughs*

Karisu-sama
08-12-2003, 01:02 AM
I haven't seen the POTC movie. But, although I do not own one, I HAVE been fitted for a properly made corset.

They don't crush your ribs.
They DON'T hurt. (A properly fitted one won't!)
They do slim your waist down scarily. (I looked breakable in half. I'm scrawny to start with.)
They do impair breathing from the diaphragm - but not as much as a badly-fitted corset.
They do not let you bend from the waist.

Unless I absolutely NEED one for something (heaven forbid!), I shall not be buying one.

mochihead
08-12-2003, 01:37 AM
*imagines Dilandau in lacy red & black corset*

O_O oh, my....

Karisu-sama
08-12-2003, 02:33 AM
HEY!!!! WHO told you that I got that darned thing fitted at Loscon last year; I WAS wearing my Dilandau costume at the time (coincidence! I swear!!), and that the corset really WAS Black and Red (with Chinese dragons on it)????? (No lace though, thank GOODNESS)....

Cost over $300 too. Another reason I didn't buy it.

Mochihead, you are either telepathic or you hire very good spies. :p :p :p

EDIT: It was a woman's corset though - I didn't try on a men's. :p

Beware_UY7
08-12-2003, 02:42 AM
Sephiroth-chan... how did you manage to hurt yourself so badly? I mean... I have large breasts, and I don't feel very uncomfortable at all doing binding. Hm, all I can advice is just to breath propperly, when you inhale or exhale it shouldn't affect how tight bandages are wrapped. (Take one of those phonebooks, place it on your chest and breath. It shouldn't move. Actually, I practice with phonebooks... I have to lay down and put one on my stomach and breath and sing warm-ups every day, it makes it so I have greater control of my diaphram... wee.)

BTW: Candice (Cherry) who now lives in Northern California? *If so, I must go 'Ha! i know her!'*

Karisu-sama
08-12-2003, 02:50 AM
The trick is to know how tight is tight enough, and NEVER tighten too much below the breast (on the rib cage.) The wider the bandage, the less it tends to slip - (I use 6" ACE), but sad to say, ACE bandages WILL slip some, especially if you are "spare" on top like I am.

Sports bras and compression shirts don't slip (have shoulder straps), but for a visible chest skin costume I'd swear by that tape method (and I'd do it again if my significant other didn't have a gigantic problem with it. Tape = one day or so, living with him = forever.)

mochihead
08-12-2003, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by Karisu-sama
Mochihead, you are either telepathic or you hire very good spies. :p :p :p


*jumps up and down, shaking head*

Darn it Karisu-sama! Get out of my head! I knew I shoulda hired spies instead of doing this telepathy thingy.

OUCH! I'm glad that I don't have big boobs. When I bind, it doesn't hurt to breathe. YIKES!

Tainted Donut
08-12-2003, 04:50 AM
ok. then.........

Tainted Donut
08-12-2003, 04:51 AM
ok..then.... im confo0sed on which one to use...my brain is going to fry DX

Koumori
08-12-2003, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Karisu-sama
I haven't seen the POTC movie. But, although I do not own one, I HAVE been fitted for a properly made corset.


I have quite a few (used to do historical costuming) and that corset line bugged me, as did the whole fainting bit, because a *Georgian* corset does *not* compress the waist and constrict breathing in anywhere CLOSE to the way a Victorian corset does. It's designed to form the torso into an inverted cone, pull the shoulders back, push the breasts up and smooth out the line of the torso - not to dig into or place extreme emphasis on the waist.

Sephiroth-chan
08-12-2003, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Beware_UY7
Sephiroth-chan... how did you manage to hurt yourself so badly? .....
BTW: Candice (Cherry) who now lives in Northern California? *If so, I must go 'Ha! i know her!'*

As for Breast size...let's just say, I haven't even made it to the alphabet. Lol...I'm a lil person, and when I bound what little of a chest I had, I had to to it extra tight to keep the bandages from slipping. -_- Bad move. REAL bad move. Later on in the evening when I was getting more hot and needing to breath deeper, I felt the constriction...and on the stage performance I moved a lil too much. Lucky me, I got away with just bone bruises.

Yup, that's Candice Cherry. Jpop cosplay Angel herself. She always takes good care of me. ^_^


As for the topic of Corsets, I work at the Texas Rennaissance festival, have been for years and you should SEE the horror stories related to that. Broken ribs, asphyxiation, etc. Since I HAVE nothing to lift and tuck, and I really enjoy the hobby of free breathing, I usually wound up playing the assist in the games of "Cynch the Wynch." in the bathroom dressing area. Then again, sometimes the same happens with men and their armor. -_-

Karisu- I can't wait to try out your tape idea...it's so brillaint. I just wish I'd have known about it earlier, lol.

Koumori
08-12-2003, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by Sephiroth-chan

As for the topic of Corsets, I work at the Texas Rennaissance festival, have been for years and you should SEE the horror stories related to that. Broken ribs, asphyxiation, etc. Since I HAVE nothing to lift and tuck, and I really enjoy the hobby of free breathing, I usually wound up playing the assist in the games of "Cynch the Wynch." in the bathroom dressing area. Then again, sometimes the same happens with men and their armor. -_-


Ugh. I think a lot of people just don't know how to wear them properly without injuring themselves - since most people don't wear corsets every day, it's real easy to overdo it.

Gren
08-12-2003, 09:26 AM
Garrg. I just figiured you were lying down because that costume looked friggin hot. I didn't realize it was pain. >_o

Karisu-sama
08-14-2003, 05:43 AM
Oh yeah; pic of my "secret weapon":

katrinastrife
08-14-2003, 10:15 PM
Karisu:

Thanks for the great info! I'm gonna have to try it out when I'm wearing the Kuja costume I plan to start working on soon! @_@ You rock!

Anyway... I was wondering about binding for a while before I checked out this thread...Now it all makes sense ^_^

Eliza
08-18-2003, 10:39 AM
This is going to sound crazy (and I've poked around and not found the answer to this question, so I'm sorry if it's one of those questions that's been asked half a million times ^^; ), but if I, for example, wanted to crossplay in a costume without a shirt, is there a good way to tape/cover one's bare chest? While I realize it's probably going to look a little weird and fake, there must be a better way than to have an obvious wrap of bandages around my torso...

And if that doesn't work, I'm doing the backup plan--it's a Doujinshi version of the outfit, but he's wearing an open jacket over.

any suggestions are appreciated ^^ (I know that must sound so strange)

LiL QoH
08-18-2003, 08:37 PM
I suffer from big boob syndrome.. this will help a LOT thank you!

Karisu-sama
08-19-2003, 07:41 AM
This is going to sound crazy (and I've poked around and not found the answer to this question, so I'm sorry if it's one of those questions that's been asked half a million times ^^; ), but if I, for example, wanted to crossplay in a costume without a shirt, is there a good way to tape/cover one's bare chest? While I realize it's probably going to look a little weird and fake, there must be a better way than to have an obvious wrap of bandages around my torso...

And if that doesn't work, I'm doing the backup plan--it's a Doujinshi version of the outfit, but he's wearing an open jacket over.

any suggestions are appreciated ^^ (I know that must sound so strange)

I have a working solution for an open-front costume ("guaranteed" for B-cup or less) which is the very first thing I addressed when I created this thread (there's a TMI of nitty-gritty details on a later page too), but as for cosplaying a totally topless guy, I'm rather at a loss. Sports tape works wonders for a bare front look, but you need to be wearing at least a vest for that method.

I honestly don't know how you'd do a guy with no top at all, and not have some sort of binding, or coverage of binding, showing. I could possibly imagine latex in some sort of back & front arrangement to cover binding (a major pro job), or a well-painted bodysuit over binding (easier to do - and I've seen that sort of thing - a friend of mine once costumed as a male stone gargoyle; it was incredible. You'd never know she was a women.)

However, it will also draw some pretty major stares if you are recognizable as a girl (my friend had a mask) and have visible nipples, even if they are fake. (Wonder if hotel security would pitch fits?) Also, wearing at least a vest allows you to be creative with the designing the top to make more of a wider-shoulders narrower-waist "guy look". Me, I'd go with the "backup plan" - but of course your mileage may vary. ~_^

Sephiroth-chan
08-19-2003, 08:51 AM
If you go to a dance store, they have the nude colored bodysuit tops. Skin tight. With a lil theatrical 'fake skin'...ok, maybe more than a lil...you can cover it and it will adhere and blend to your flesh. If you follow Karisu-sama's suggestions with the tape and the top it sohuld work fine for you. I did that this year for my Sephiroth costume except with the bandages under. I made the mistake of accidentally using CLEAR liquid latex. Not bright.

Anyhow that would allow you to go bare topped without baring all.

Eliza
08-19-2003, 09:32 AM
Thank you!! ^.^ I'll try it! Sounds like I might be able to pull it off.

Not sure if I'll be obviously female. This technique is for the swimsuit version of a character I cosplayed earlier (chaos from Xenosaga) and a couple of people seemed to think I was a guy in it (before they heard my voice, of course ^^). He's a verrrry skinny guy so I don't think the shoulders will be much of a problem.

I've been thinking about the nipple thing... bare chests look funny without 'em, but yeah, people might be weirded out by a girl in fake ones. ^^

I wanted to at least try to do the real version though, before taking the little doujinshi jacket. Thanks for all the suggestions ^^

ACXchan
08-19-2003, 03:16 PM
Hum... I don't know if this suggestion has been made yet but I experimented with something new this year at AX'03. Instead of using duct and sports tape, I used one of those sporty back brace support things ^ ^;; A friend of mine brought it from her house, it was her mother's. It worked really well for me and it wasn't as harmful to my breasts as tape usually is because the brace itself is one wide compressing strip. It toned me down from a C cup to a flattened AA or something. You can wear it with the padded side against your chest or the elastic side against your chest. It never slipped nor was it any more uncomfortable than tape ^ ^

On the subject of tape though! I found it more comfortable taking a deep breath to widen your chest cavity a bit and holding that breath while binding with duct tape or sports tape to give yourself a little freedom without sacrificing the look of a flat chest. That way you know the tape isn't so tight that you can't take a deeper breath if needed.

I love bodices and corsets, wear them to the local Ren Faire and Dickens Fair XD

Karisu-sama
09-26-2003, 12:40 AM
Lets PING this thread back to where it can be accessed....

Cait
09-26-2003, 08:47 PM
I second the 'misuse' of pieces meant to restrain other things. I've noticed my underbust 'corset' or, as they're called now, body slimmer (which looks either like a corset with bra hooks instead of laces or giant rubberbands made in the size of a torso and out of a stretch subtance similar to ace bandages) works wonders for flattening my tiny chest. All I have to do is bump up the underbust body slimmer a few inches and I have a painless, skincolored, flat surface. I actually got the idea from a show I saw about a woman getting a sex change and she used one of the body slimmers meant to accentuate your waist to hide her chest until she could afford a *cough* removal and was passing off well as a man in the mean time.

^_^'''''''' I like to cheat.

BIOJECT
09-26-2003, 10:16 PM
I don't get it. How do you lose skin? Are womans breasts that soft where skin will randomly peel off?

Karisu-sama
09-26-2003, 10:28 PM
Cait: I've never seen those in stores. Do you know of an online source?

Bioject: if you must know, the skin on the underside of women's breast is its thinnest and tenderest area, and supposedly "skin-friendly" tape, which in other areas (ie: nipples), will peel off reasonably well, may actually take off SKIN when it's peeled off the underside of the breast.

Hitori
09-26-2003, 11:00 PM
I haven't actually read all this thread, it's so long>.< I posted what I do in warumono's thread, but in regards to peeling skin off, I actually use circles of fabric under the tape (masking tape I use) and so when I take it off there's no skin loss^_^

Karisu-sama
09-26-2003, 11:02 PM
Hitori: I was talking about tape that was SUPPOSED to adhere to that area in order to shift the breast location higher, not just flatten it.

Hitori
09-26-2003, 11:10 PM
Oh... mi bad, so embarressing>.<
eh heh, well if anyone was wondering then. Yeah...

Cait
09-26-2003, 11:41 PM
Fleexes Body Slimmer (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008E242/sr=1-15/qid=1064636805/ref=sr_1_15/103-6107076-0111044?v=glance&n=1044964&s=apparel)

Fleexes Waist Nipper (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008676U/sr=1-9/qid=1064636717/ref=sr_1_9/103-6107076-0111044?v=glance&n=1044964&s=apparel)

I ran into the problem of my full skirts creating a line under my Marlene overdress, and I knew there had to be a solution. I know you wouldn't have seen them, not watching much TV, but these things have been being advertized on TV as the instant solution to those hard to smooth out love handles and such. The ones I linked to are the variety that have the bra hooks, but if you go to just about any department store and look around the lingere section you'll see a rack of them in different legnths, sizes, colors, and styles. Mine is almost exactly like the ones I posted, but is of a different brand. It has boning in it, so it doesn't lay as flat on my waist when I move it up, but I'd be willing to bet there wouldn't be as much of a problem with the other variety. To tell the truth, though, the flaired bottom was easily tucked into the pants I was wearing and, though the outfit wasn't very tight fitting, couldn't be seen. I've just started exploring this option, though, so I haven't really investigated throughly yet.

katrinastrife
09-27-2003, 12:01 PM
Karisu: i was wondering... This is kinda on the same topic. I'm planning on making a sorta-skimpy costume for halloween. But, the character (female) has little --if any-- bust-age. Would there be a way to use your taping method to help me out with this? (see attachment, please ^^;;)

I guess the question is... can the taping method help to simply reduce your size, not entirely eliminate it? ^^;; Thanks for the help!

Inque
10-08-2003, 11:37 AM
Baby oil... hmmm... don't have any of that, but I did use some nail polish remover. Wasn't quite good enough, though.

My husband's attitude is the biggest barrier I have. >.< I think he is somehow afraid (and WHY?) that I don't want to be a girl, LOL - I am perfectly HAPPY to actually be a girl! And to actually HAVE boobs, as well as a 10" waist-hip differential! However, I really love the silly guy, and for the sake of harmony.... *sigh*

Here you go, Mochihead: "Boob Fairy" :p Oh, and thanks so much - I heard YOU provided yummies for one of those gatherings on the Hilton Mezzanine I was at; Jarod's B-day party, right? ^^

Got a piccy I took in the hotel mirror - where did my chest go? o.O.......


OMG!! Thats cool...theres no more chesties ^_^ Im going to try that when I do male costumes.. Tight sports bras I dont think are a great magnificient Idea, but I planned on binding for when I did a few male characters ^_^ Now i know how!!

fechan
10-09-2003, 12:35 PM
Karisu: i was wondering... This is kinda on the same topic. I'm planning on making a sorta-skimpy costume for halloween. But, the character (female) has little --if any-- bust-age. Would there be a way to use your taping method to help me out with this? (see attachment, please ^^;;)

I guess the question is... can the taping method help to simply reduce your size, not entirely eliminate it? ^^;; Thanks for the help!

I'm not an expert in binding, only tried twice ^^;;;
I think the best (up to my knowledge) for an Etna (yay! Disgaea cosplay!! have to do Vyers/Chu-Boss someday!) outfit, it would be to use some tape binding but only around the breast, not up your shoulders obviously... and if it doesn't flatten it enough try making etna's top in a stretchy fabric, like the medical thing you wear around your leg if you have a sprain... usually pharmacy have that kind of stuff..
If it doesn't work try using one of those waist slimmer thing under the top and over the bandages?

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(edit joy!)
Btw I was wondering if anyone knew about an online ressource for sticky tape or self-adhesive tape that's as wide or wider than 3 inches?
I phoned about all the pharmacies there is in my city and the widest they have is 1 1/2 or they can order up to 2 inches... It does the job somehow but it's a bit complicated....

Savior_Faire
10-14-2003, 01:43 PM
Alrighty. my turn for a question.

I've read over this little FAQ and...well...

does anyone have an recomendations for.. D cups? *blushu* ;.; I've tried the ace bandages and ordering things online is a no-no (Ma won't get it and she's the one with my credit card >.<). Are there any stores I can check out like a JC Pennies department?

Also, this will be under clothing, the neck lines to most of the costumes that require wee boobies are rather high so the thing taking uo my whole chest won't be much of a problem, just enough to hide and make it seem like I'm boobyless.

I've tried ace bandages... boy was that useless ~.~;

Brightdreamer
10-14-2003, 09:08 PM
does anyone have an recomendations for.. D cups?

*nod nod* I need help with this too! I'm a 40 DD... why the hell am I wanting to crossplay? Oh yeah, my favorite characters are guys. ^_^;;

The neckline of my costume will also be very high, so binding showing wouldn't be a problem. I've thought of some sort of combination of sports bra and back brace, but I don't want to spend a bunch of money for something that doesn't work! And I need to get the binding before I start on the costume... it's a rather fitted military-jacket type thing, so I'd hate to make it too tight or loose! (I'm planning on going as Ryuhou from s-CRY-ed, BTW.)

megumibish
10-14-2003, 10:47 PM
Back braces work pretty well for me and i'm a DD too. You'll still get a uniboob look but it's better than nothing. hehheh I tried the back brace on right in the middle of the store too. Funny how no one seemed to notice that my bro was strapping me down just then. And walmart carries the back braces in the sporting good dept for only 10 bucks. I've yet to try out a neoprene waist belt since I can't seem to locate them but, if I find one I'll let chus know how it goes.

Recowa
10-15-2003, 10:18 AM
OK, for Mochihead (and anyone else! ): here is a really ghetto insta-cosplay of Karisu as a lame version of the Boob Fairy: :p
Hey thats some good tips about getting the duck tape off.... Iv'e done that a couple of times and tears were sheded ever time wanna see the results I got..?

http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=18524&password=&sort=1&cat=573&page=33

http://www.fansview.com/2003/ohayocon/011103c437.jpg

http://www.fansview.com/2003/ohayocon/011103a194.jpg

Lilli
10-16-2003, 03:30 PM
o.o Say... How does that Compression Shirt thingie work? My only binding experiences have been with ace bandages, (Both the non-sticky ace kind, and also the self-adhesive sort) and the best I was able to achieve was a uni-boob. (Probably wound up being a bit bigger than an A, but not as big as B, I guess. Would that be AA? I never wore one, so I have no clue.)

I really like Karisu's idea of the tape, but I'm a C, and I have sort of thin/delicate skin REGARDLESS, so yeah... no tape getting near my breastses. But that shirt idea looks pretty spiff-tacular...

LunarYoma
10-16-2003, 11:42 PM
o.o Say... How does that Compression Shirt thingie work? My only binding experiences have been with ace bandages, (Both the non-sticky ace kind, and also the self-adhesive sort) and the best I was able to achieve was a uni-boob. (Probably wound up being a bit bigger than an A, but not as big as B, I guess. Would that be AA? I never wore one, so I have no clue.)

I really like Karisu's idea of the tape, but I'm a C, and I have sort of thin/delicate skin REGARDLESS, so yeah... no tape getting near my breastses. But that shirt idea looks pretty spiff-tacular...

heres a thought. instead of directly applying the tape to your skin, use suran wrap to start binding, then finish it with tape. this way the tape sticks to the suran wrap & not your skin. if you want it off, just cut it off.

AniMajor
10-16-2003, 11:49 PM
Hey, I have a question. Would it look more natural for girls who are above B-cup to pad their stomach in order of blend in with their binded top? Or would that just look weird, too?

Karisu-sama
10-17-2003, 03:04 AM
LunarYoma - my tape method wouldn't work with saran wrap because it HAS to stick to skin to move the breasts out of teh way - that method was to achieve a full front to-the-waist chest cleavage with no visible binding. That is: NO binding across the front 6" width of your body. At all.

Lilli: I have a compression shirt. It works really well for flattening, even on my daughter (who is probably a C now.) Gives you the "pecs" look - it flattens very uniformly. (Downside - it's visible under anything skimpier than a muscle shirt.)

Lilli
10-17-2003, 01:50 PM
Wooo. I may have to try that, thanks Karisu-sama! It sounds a lot easier and faster than tape or ace bandages. I'd be worried about using saran wrap anyway, as I don't think I'd enjoy wearing the equivalent of a tsauna suit for 8 or so hours at a con ^^;

Nah, none of my crossplays have been or plan on being skimpy, so I wouldn't mind that aspect. Awesome! XD

MistressRinRin
10-17-2003, 09:46 PM
um, uh, for halloween and for AZ O4, i'm gonna be inuyasha, i was just wondering, sence his haori is kinda baggy, and well, erm... i'm uh...13 ^.^""" (not much there yet, lol) should i still bind? i dunno what it'll look like cause my mom hasn't put it together yet. should i wait and see for myself, or, sence i'm being a male character, and i like, suposed to, no matter what? o.O *is confussed*

otakutre
10-19-2003, 02:20 AM
Ah. And Karisu-sama helps me to answer one of the biggest questions I was left with at the end of Escaflowne: "WHERE did they GO!?" Thank you for solving the Dilandau mystery! ^_~

I've heard an off-hand rumor that the one's sudden lack of chance (EDIT: Chance? wtf? I meant to type "chest" I must have been tired) makes balance and stair-going a tad awkward at first. Anyone find this to be true?

Savior_Faire
10-19-2003, 10:49 AM
I've heard an off-hand rumor that the one's sudden lack of chance makes balance and stair-going a tad awkward at first. Anyone find this to be true?

Yes! XD A friend of mine had to practice for a while before she got used to it, and she was only a B, imagine what would happen for us larger ladies! O.o Even with the not so helpful ace bandage attempt I was a little akward going down the stairs. XD

Try straightening your posture, practice standing and even walking at attention. Not only does it help balance when you're not bound, but is slims out your tummy too
^.^

Karisu-sama
10-20-2003, 10:24 AM
I haven't had any problems with change in balance at all, but I'm barely a B. I tend to walk with straight posture anyway, especially when I am at a con and "on alert", as it were.

(Not only do I have to be aware of my costume (not just how I look in it, but whether or not might get damaged or is getting in people's way), I have to watch my stuff, watch out for other people's costumes, watch out for photo ops, watch out for & prevent unexpected assault attempts (ie: flying tackle-glomp) and keep track of my kidlets. :p )

Asukas~Doll
10-21-2003, 05:47 PM
LOL flying tackle glomps are the worst when you're not expecting it. Especially if the person knocks you down and lands ontop of you... *has forgotten and is now thinking of her experiences*

Oh sorry! Anywho, would the 1 1/2" wide sports tape thingy be wide enough? I'm only a mid-B anyway, and not very big anyway, but I don't want to be like a mummy-reject ^.^;;

Karisu-sama
10-21-2003, 06:40 PM
That's the sports tape I use (1.5" white cloth), and I put makeup on over the visible parts so it does not give a "mummy" look. (The edges of the tape are not terribly visibly prominent anyway.)

But I'd only use tape for the "only skin down the front" look - if I'm binding all the way around, I will not use anything that sticks to my skin (so it will be ACE bandage, or "waist-slimming" girdle pulled up over the chest, or compression shirt, or very tight sports bra, or combo of such.)

Asukas~Doll
10-21-2003, 11:32 PM
Oh really? Cool! ^.^ Yeah, the crossplay I'm going to do has a shirt that's slightly open in the front so your taping method seems to be the best choice.

Oh and before I forget. I bow down to your Dilandau man-chest! *bows*

CapsuleCorp
10-23-2003, 08:02 PM
Finally read through the tips out of curiosity, and man, am I inspired! I was thinking "eh, I'm a 36A, my tight sports bra is enough," but after seeing the unchest, I recant! Great tips, Karisu, I'm going to use them for my Hiei costumes from now on. Especially if I want to do a little battle-damage to that black sleeveless shirt of his...

Savior_Faire
10-24-2003, 08:50 PM
Karisu-sama, you were talking about the compression shirts before and how it made you look like you had pecs. I'm a 42 D (goddess help me), do you know of any good shirts I can order that will squish me down to a convincing manly chest? I finally got my mom to say yes to ordering one for me ^.^

and don't worry about me handling the squishing; I sleep flat on my stomach on a hard mattress every night and I don't even notice. ^.~

Karisu-sama
10-25-2003, 01:34 AM
Karisu-sama, you were talking about the compression shirts before and how it made you look like you had pecs. I'm a 42 D (goddess help me), do you know of any good shirts I can order that will squish me down to a convincing manly chest?
Whoa. Goddess done blessed you, girl. Hmmm... the compression shirt flattened things very uniformly - even on my daughter, who is probably a 32C at this point. I wasn't sure on the sizing, so I ordered 2 - turns out the Small fits me (35B-ish), and it's just about too hard for me to get into the XS (I'd need help), so that one is now officially my daughter's...

The back of the shirt is a single panel, and the front is a double panel - both elastic, but a bit hard to stretch (which makes it try hard to get back to its original shape, which makes it compress so well.) They're long in the torso, so I sometimes fold the bottom of that shirt up and over my chest as well, making another flattening layer.

While they compress well, they also fit really snug (if they fit, they should be snug!) and it can be a bit of an effort to put on (but it CAN be done! Just try to pull it on while it's straight, not rolled up!)

If your "blessings" resist the compression panel too much, I'm willing to bet a second compression shirt on top would help, but you might try the fold-up of the shirt bottom first - that might be enough. It's also possible to combine this with other methods listed. And probably adjust things outward so cleavage isn't major - although the compression shirts go right up to the neck, so it won't really show, I suppose.

The stupid things come in white only (or at least from that website I linked in the first post), so I dyed ours "flesh-tone" with a mix of salmon & ecru acid dyes (what one needs to dye nylon.) Whoo-hoo. I found out the hard way that I DO need to THOROUGHLY mix the dye first - I've got some blotches. I'll need to get a new shirt to dye if I wear something where it shows.

Good luck! ^____^

Fault
10-25-2003, 10:07 AM
Karisu-sama, it seems you have perfected a technique that I had only dreamed of. I too bow down to your Dilandau chestlessness.

As I am a 34DD attempting the 'man cleavage' technique, I will keep all posted as to how it looks and whether it works. I am expecting that I won't be chestless, but I am hoping that I will attain 'pecs', which would fit very well in the costume, since I am attempting an Iori crossplay.

On the topic of crossplay and Iori, does anyone have any similarly l33t techniques for reducing hips/bottom and enhancing shoulders? I will trawl this forum for tips, but, you know, easy information access is a blessing.

Lolita Goth
10-25-2003, 02:53 PM
I think I'm cursed when it comes to cosplaying j - rock >.< I got a D cup well 36D >.< and I wanna do another Kaoru outfit from Dir en grey (my damn chest is too big) umm any suggestion on what to use?? >.< I really need help..

chai_fiend
10-25-2003, 09:44 PM
ok i dont see the point in binding at all. maybe its cuz like Lolita Goth, i'm a D-cup too and the thought of mashing that much flesh to my chest doesn't appeal to me. (isnt that why women find mammograms uncomfy). first of all, if you're crossplaying someone well, it shouldn't matter whether or not we can see the tits. also, breasts are beautiful. so i say NO to binding and encourage others to join me in this protest.

Fault
10-25-2003, 10:45 PM
Not bind? Good for some, but not for me.

I like to go for as much accuracy as possibly when cosplaying. I tend to pick characters with a similar body type to me, and to obsess of design details, including things like whether Auron's coat should be made of linen or wool. So when it comes to my attempt at Iori, I take heed of the fact that the fabric of his shirt bunches just so at his waist/hips, and extends to point X on his legs etc etc.. So when it comes down to that sort of detail, it only makes sense to bind as well to continue the level of accuracy.


As for my trial of the man cleavage method:

I tried using a combination of paper and fabric sports tape that was around the house, unfortunately only 1" wide. However, using it I was able to reduce my cleavage to 1" deep, and considerably flatten the curves. I believe it will be adequate for my costume, even though it isn't quite the 'pecs' look I was hoping for.

I have some interesting notes:
-it's difficult to keep myself even on both sides
-it is very comfortable, it's like a bra only it doesn't let me bounce. Perfect for DDRing.
-it's so comfy that I took it off in the morning (the tape was sticky enough to need a shower removal and 2am showers are loud)
-I had the full range of movement in my arms and torso with minimal discomfort. The only thing was it tight enough across the back to help me keep a straight posture.
-I had absolutely no balance problems, though I didn't do anything like a handstand or try to sprint.
Just in case I wasn't clear, breathing problems weren't an issue whatsoever.

It would've taken me several attempts to get it that good without Karisu-sama's advice, so I thank you once more Karisu-sama for your leet techniques.

Lolita Goth
10-26-2003, 01:09 AM
ok i dont see the point in binding at all. maybe its cuz like Lolita Goth, i'm a D-cup too and the thought of mashing that much flesh to my chest doesn't appeal to me. (isnt that why women find mammograms uncomfy). first of all, if you're crossplaying someone well, it shouldn't matter whether or not we can see the tits. also, breasts are beautiful. so i say NO to binding and encourage others to join me in this protest.


well i like my breasts nothing wrong with it but not when it comes to cosplaying j rock and especially skinny men >.< its hell, like i was doing a costume of kaoru from dir en grey and my breats just stuck out and it ruined the whole effect of the costume and just gave it a diff ugly look to it, so i prefer to do something bout it, but if its just any kinda lolita j rock outfit then ill just leave it like that but if its for cosplaying any j rocker in specific i prefer to get it binded somehow

Suzushichan
10-26-2003, 02:29 AM
anybody got advice for a chick crossplayin' as Sephiroth? -_-'

Savior_Faire
10-26-2003, 11:23 AM
I don't mind my boobs much either... save for the fact that I hace back problems because of them >.< There just comes a time when they're just too much, especially on a girl like me only being 5'3" (barely). Also, by aiming for these characters, I'm losing the weight that I need to lose (I'm also overweight). So the crossplaying thing is actually doing my body good! XD

Anywho, thanks Karisu-sama! So I would probably try... a medium shirt?

mad_hisoka
10-26-2003, 12:17 PM
Ano... i'm kinda new here but i just wanna ask a question... i heard that boobies tend to grow bigger after binding.. is that true?? coz i'm a b cup and i dun exactly want my them to increase in size..

Hanyaan
10-26-2003, 03:25 PM
I second the request for people asking what the best method would be for someone with C or D cup breasts...because not all costumes can conveniently disguise boobs.

Karisu-sama
10-26-2003, 07:45 PM
ok i dont see the point in binding at all. maybe its cuz like Lolita Goth, i'm a D-cup too and the thought of mashing that much flesh to my chest doesn't appeal to me. (isnt that why women find mammograms uncomfy). first of all, if you're crossplaying someone well, it shouldn't matter whether or not we can see the tits. also, breasts are beautiful. so i say NO to binding and encourage others to join me in this protest.
My dear, you are quite free to NOT bind if you don't like to, and so is anyone else. This thread is for people who DO want to bind, and are looking for methods that work. There's no need to try to "recruit" other people to "join your protest"; there's plenty of room for all of us in this world.

If you want to look like a guy who has boobs, go right ahead. Yes, breasts ARE beautiful, and I like having them, but when I crossplay, I'm actually attempting to "pass". If I can pull off a good enough temporary illusion that make someone think I AM a guy or at least have to do a double-take, I'm pleased.

(BTW, mammograms don't squish the boobs toward your chest, they squish them between two metal plates - owowowow. X( )

To each their own.

Fault: I did my patented :p sports tape "frontless binding" again last night, and with a nice hot shower aimed at the tape and veeeeeeeerrryyyy sloooooooooow removal, I did NOT lose any skin. :) Yes, it's sometimes a bit hard to get it totally even - I put on more tape layers until it works. And yes, I find it definitely the MOST comfortable binding method I have, and easy to breathe in. And I love that "only skin visible" look. :D

Suzushichan: You haven't been reading this thread, or you'd know how to do Sephiroth.

mad_hisoka: No, binding does not change the size of your breasts either way. Those rumors are false. I'm between an A and a B (enough to have to buy B bras), and that hasn't changed in over 20 years.

Savoir_Faire: Uh, sure. Try a medium. The worst it can be is either too small or too large for you, and you'd need a different size. (If it fits, it's an effort to get it on, but it CAN be done. It's supposed to be very snug. )

HanyaanFaery: Since I am not an expert on the larger sizes, someone who is and has experience with binding it should answer you better. Hello? Anyone....?

Kaede
10-26-2003, 07:58 PM
Well I'm a D cup and my best friend is sports tape *waves at tape* It seriously can do wonders. I've been able to go pretty much completely flat...but I've unfortunately got the scars to prove it x_x; well the best method is a thin layer of cloth wrapped around your whole chest, then wrap the sports tape in the best method you figure out, and then if it's necessary a sport bra (not a thick one) over to smooth out the tape.

Hanyaan
10-26-2003, 08:22 PM
Hey, thanks a lot! That will be quite helpful in the future. ^____^

Fault
10-26-2003, 10:24 PM
Karisu: I didn't actually lose any skin, just got a bit reddened. I feel lucky. No scars for me. I must say that since this is the most comfortable binding method, I don't know why I'd do it any other way.

Kaede: I've done a similar method before, only I used masking tape over the top of a sports bra. Your technique of a sports bra over the top would've been very userful to me, since the tape was a little lumpy.

NB: I took a deep breath first, before pulling the tape as tight as I could. Ensures less breathing difficulties.

Karisu-sama
10-26-2003, 11:22 PM
NB: I took a deep breath first, before pulling the tape as tight as I could. Ensures less breathing difficulties.
Oh, yeah! Did I fail to mention that part earlier? :p One of my friends did it at Y-con but complained the tape was too tight - the breath part DOES help. :)

Hitori
10-27-2003, 12:04 AM
whoa, I just did the tape/skin method again yesterdai and no skin loss for mi, not even reddening... would this perhaps come w/ doing it more? 0.o that sounds painful....

Savior_Faire
10-27-2003, 12:39 AM
Actually, a costumer just gave me an Idea ^.^

Che makes hard cloth bodices for dresses. They way she sizes things is that she has the girl put on an old t-shirt and then binds her with duct tape (breathe in first, as mentioned). then she snips away whatever t-shirt is sticking out.

the only thing is that when you want the thing off you have to cut it off ^.^ And you kinda need two people for it. I have to do this to get my prom dress made...

I'm going to be Belle from Beauty and the Beast for my senior prom!! *Off Topic, sorry*

Karisu-sama
10-27-2003, 12:59 AM
whoa, I just did the tape/skin method again yesterdai and no skin loss for mi, not even reddening... would this perhaps come w/ doing it more? 0.o that sounds painful....
I think reddening is an artifact both of how long you wear it and how much you happen to sweat in it. :( I always seem to be involved in dancing when I'm taping like that, for some reason... The red goes away reasonably soon, though. :)

As far as skin loss, if you didn't get any, great! I seem to have delicate skin in that area, but at least the hot shower removal method worked fine. :)

I was actually in a dance performance Saturday night that required me to crossplay (YAY for the tape!!):

http://www.dragonsgate.net/cosplay/crossplay/SpiralDance1IMG0311.jpg
http://www.dragonsgate.net/cosplay/crossplay/SpiralDance1IMG0341.jpg
http://www.dragonsgate.net/cosplay/crossplay/SpiralDance1IMG0351.jpg

OK, so at 125 lbs, I was the scrawniest "guy" there.... :p (The real ones also tend to be taller than me :( I'm only 5'8 1/2".)

This one doesn't show the skin, but I just like it a lot. ^^
http://www.dragonsgate.net/cosplay/crossplay/SpiralDance1IMG0021.jpg

Fault
10-27-2003, 03:23 AM
Ooooh shiny photographs. I like that last one too, the light is very nice.

5'8"1/2 is tall. I'm only 5'7" and 115lbs (54kgs).

The reddening went away very quickly.

Hitori
10-27-2003, 11:28 AM
Those are some nice photos! I'll get someone to take pics o' mi own "unchest," I need more practice aniwais. Then I could get some comments^_^

I also make a scrawni guy at 5' 7" (and a half, if we want to be accurate like Karisu-sama) and 105lb. When I crossplai I tri to be sure to get the other people I'm w/ to have the correct heights in comparrison so it's not so obvious>.<

Karisu-sama
10-27-2003, 06:16 PM
When I crossplai I tri to be sure to get the other people I'm w/ to have the correct heights in comparrison so it's not so obvious>.<
LOL - I can do that with my cosplay-family, since I'm the tallest (my husband is 4" shorter than I am), but for the dance thing everyone else in my group was a REAL guy, and even the shortest one (my height) out-massed me. :p But at least I'm strong *flexes Karate muscle* - at one point we were swinging each other around in a "chaos" move, and I accidentally threw the tallest guy over and practically into the crowd. :p

Mizuno Tenshi
10-28-2003, 01:00 AM
Hehe... Karisu, I was showing a girlfriend of mine a picture of your unchest. She's straight... likes J-rockers and guys in skirts, though... (not me, we're just friends)...
But... she said something interesting when she saw your pic. "I would so do her." ;)
She didn't believe you were married and had kids until I showed a family pic.

Tenshi

Karisu-sama
10-28-2003, 01:57 AM
ROFLMAO!!.... :crylaugh:

Heh heh - no, I'm not complaining in the least... :crylaugh:

I don't define as straight myself, even if my darling spouse happens to be male... ;) I appreciate the appeal found in both. ;)

didjiman
10-28-2003, 02:03 AM
Hehe... Karisu, I was showing a girlfriend of mine a picture of your unchest. She's straight... likes J-rockers and guys in skirts, though... (not me, we're just friends)...
But... she said something interesting when she saw your pic. "I would so do her." ;)
She didn't believe you were married and had kids until I showed a family pic.

Tenshi

I agree wholeheartedly, I will so do her too *reaching to unbind her manly unchest* bwahahahahaha

p.s. feel free to flirt with Karisu. She loves the attention. bwahahaha, just beware her steely glares for when attentions are unwanted. I don't want to clean up any dead bodies...



EDIT BY KARISU: ^ Yep, that's m' darlin' husband. ~____^

mochihead
10-28-2003, 03:09 AM
oh, lordy. I'm going to have to use the open low shirt binding method for Sakura Con. Will be crossplaying Inigo Montoya. "Prepare to Die!"

off-topic: I never thought I'd see the day that Karisu & Didj would appear on this here same thread - the binding one. Now who to ogle first?

*eyeballs explodes from over-ogling*

Mizuno Tenshi
10-28-2003, 08:45 AM
I don't define as straight myself, even if my darling spouse happens to be male... ;) I appreciate the appeal found in both. ;)

Well... I'm a good in-between. More female than male, honestly. But I'm just a bit too young for your tastes. I'm really mature for my age, though.
Wanna take a younger male/female "under your wing"? :D Well... maybe not wing, actually... ;)

Tenshi

Failing that, can you adopt me? I promise I won't be one of those who lusts after their adoptive mother and sneaks into her bed at night while her husband is away... PROMISE! ;)

Vialoi Ketsueke
10-28-2003, 08:55 AM
So, the sports tape actually works well? That's not the same as Ace bandages is it? I've used Ace Bandages and a sports bra over that, and they don't work very well for me. ( Then again I am a D cup..) ..Where does a person get "sports tape"?

Hitori
10-28-2003, 08:59 AM
I've never used Sports Tape, but I keep meaning to tri, I use masking tape^_^ And you can get that aniwhere.

Vialoi Ketsueke
10-28-2003, 09:03 AM
Masking tape? ...But would that hold a D?.....I know duct tape will, but that is a pain to remove.

Hitori
10-28-2003, 09:14 AM
Er.... I don't know, I'm a "barely A" (that's what it sais on the tag...)
But you could tri! Masking tape is cheap^_^

Vialoi Ketsueke
10-28-2003, 10:11 AM
......^-^;;;; well.. of course masking tape will hold an A....but a D.. A D is like..a walnut being the A, next to ...an Apple being the D...or something like that.. I don't know if it will hold, but I'll give it a shot.
*sigh* I wish I was an A.

Lilli
10-28-2003, 12:36 PM
Karisu-sama, I don't know how well this would work for a compression shirt, but here's a trick I picked up while in Vegas helping out with costumes and stuff.

To dye things 'fleshtone,' lipton tea bags work very well. (And they're really really cheap.) All you have to do is just get a pot big enough to dye whatever it is that needs dying, fill it with water and bring it to boiling, and put in a bunch of tea bags, (Scientific, no? 'A bunch' ._. Like maybe 15-20 for a 10 cup pot. ) I guess just add enough that you feel the mix is really concentrated.
Let that simmer for 5-10 minutes or so, keeping it on low heat, and then take out of tea bags. Then just add whatever it is you want to dye, and let it soak until it takes the amount of color you want. (Depending on your flesh tone.)
You'll want to keep the heat on low, because I think that would help the tannins adhere to what you're dying more easily. Just be careful, and make sure to keep stirring so everything gets evenly colored, and nothing gets burned! Once it's the color you'd like it to be, just take it out and rinse it in cold water, and you're good to go.
Like I'd mentioned, I'm not sure how well it would work on a compression shirt, but it's FANTASTIC for dying elastics to be flesh-colored.

XD Plus, it's 'all natural' Hehee, so you don't have to feel bad about dying something in a "cooking pot" like you would with 'regular' fabric dyes.

Edit: Added in a couple more instructions.

Hanyaan
10-28-2003, 07:26 PM
I tried experimenting with my C/D cup breasts and masking tape and the result...wasn't good. XD It didn't stick. It fell off. I got maybe one inch circumference off, max.

Guess this means the next time I need to bind it's going to be a combination of as many methods as I can think of. XD

Karisu-sama
10-28-2003, 07:44 PM
Lilli: I've been told that natural dyes don't dye nylon (the shirts are a nylon/spandex blend), but I can certainly give it a try. :) I've seen tea work wonderfully on natural fabrics. Thanks! (I dye fabric in my garage using a plug-in hotplate and a metal bucket from the hardware store - I think I need a new hotplate though, because I've been getting electrically zapped when the water accidentally touches my hand. o.O )
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Duct tape? Ehhhhh :/ Not on MY skin, thanks. >.< Not to mention that it often leaves a lot of glue residue. Masking tape? Not sticky enough, and rips too easily, I would think. Sports tape is a cloth tape - pretty strong, and made for use on skin.

Ace bandages are not a tape.

HanyaanFaery: try Sports Tape, not masking tape! (Either over a sport bra, or heck, perhaps by itself! My only complaint with it is that is is so narrow you need to overlap and layer to get things smooth.)

Once again: This is Sports Tape (found at my local Long's Drugstore, Walgreens, etc.):
(Don't lose skin - remove it in a hot shower!!)

Fault
10-28-2003, 07:44 PM
When I used masking tape it was over the top of a sports bra. The tape stuck to the bra much better than it did to my skin. I got flat.. ish. DD's don't do flat very well. But I was about an inch out from my stomach, which is pretty good.

I've gotten sports tape from my local chemist.. uh.. drugstore in America. It should be easy to find.

For a larger chest I reccommend the Karisu-sama patented un-chest cleavage method. Even if you don't go flat, at least you won't move, and it won't fall off or restrict your breathing either.

Savior_Faire
10-28-2003, 11:21 PM
Hmm... will this compression shirt slim out my tummy too? I'll be losing weight, hopefully I'll be down to at least 150 or 140 by AnimeNEXT... but my hips might be a problem >.<

Stupid hips...

Karisu-sama
10-29-2003, 01:46 AM
Hmm... will this compression shirt slim out my tummy too?
Yes. :) Those shirts are cut long. (But remember that guys also have bigger waists than girls! So it's not as bad as you think! :p )

The hips you will have to deal with another way. (I need to post my techniques for that - hopefully I 'll get to it soon...)

Sipesh
10-29-2003, 11:49 AM
Although I'm sure a lot of you have looked into tape/adhesive removers I wanted to post this. Most of the sports tape adhesive removers you find simply don't work. However, there is good news. There is a brand that works quite well, we use it in the medical field to get tape off of patients all the time. It's called Detachahol (hokey name, I know) but it works. It dissolves the glue on tape instantly so it just falls right off. The down side is that you get some "goo" left on you that has to be washed off with hot water in the shower (but hey, bathing is a GOOD thing and preferable to being scarred for life). I get this stuff from one of our medical distributors, but you may be able to find it for sale in pharmacies. If you can't find it anywhere, you can always drop me a line and I can get you a bottle of it at cost (like $4.00). Now, I'm off to continue experimenting with ways to make my rack vanish.
ksipesh@yahoo.com

Karisu-sama
10-29-2003, 04:02 PM
Detachahol? Woo-hoo, I'm gonna look for that! ^^ (Everything else I've tried didn't really work - except a nice hot shower and slooooooow removal - but maybe this will!)

Asukas~Doll
11-01-2003, 12:07 AM
Yay! I actually did it! ^.^ and I have only one thing to say.... OWIES!!! taking off that tape is a pain. -.-;; And now I know what your 'battle scars' are 'cause I gots a few meself. But I did get pretty flat! Not as flat as Karisu-sama, but pretty darn close.

Once all the pictures are developed and I get copies, I'll be sure to put them in my gallery for you to see my man-chest! ^_^ yay.

Oh and one last thing: thin, white shirt + rain=not a very good time. Luckily I had my fan of doom to keep me from getting to wet.

Karisu-sama
11-01-2003, 02:46 AM
Oh, YES! Post piccies! :D :D I can't wait to see! :D

Removal was much better for me when I tried it (slowly! ) in a hot shower, and I WILL be looking for that "Detachahol" stuff!! XD

(As long as I don't lose skin, my husband looks like he'll be cool with it - yay! ^^ )

oninomiko
11-01-2003, 10:37 AM
@_@ Is it possible to get a D/DD flat without killing yourself? I say D/DD cause Im stuck somewhere in the middle... -.-; makes bra buying a bitch... but yeah... could I get flat?

CapsuleCorp
11-01-2003, 01:09 PM
Aww, I think that means he cares about your skin, Karisu. ;)

Tried binding for the first time last night for Halloween and discovered a bonus side effect. It was for my Yugi (Yami Yugi) costume, mostly ghetto, but I was very impressed at the effect - under that sleeveless shirt I did have the physique of a 15 year old boy. But the bonus regards the Millennium Puzzle. Usually I have such an annoying problem of it bouncing around against my chest and the Eye never facing forward. I always figured it was just the magic of the artist that kept Yugi's puzzle always facing forward in the anime. But last night, I discovered after a couple hours that for the most part, the Puzzle didn't bounce around and stayed with the Eye facing forward! SWEET! I didn't have to keep turning it back around, that made me very happy.

I just need more practice with the Ace bandage, to keep it from rolling down at top and making an irritating little elastic roll.

chibi-dj
11-01-2003, 02:51 PM
I'm attempting my first crossplay as sasuke from Naruto. I'm using the ace bandages and a tight sports bra. I does start to hurt aftera while though, any suggestions? I'm a C unfortunetally, so it's hard to get all of the "twins" down, I ened up with most of em up around my chin

Any suggestions for a more 'boy' appearence would be GREATLY appreciated!

Savior_Faire
11-01-2003, 05:57 PM
I found something that works 'till I can get the compression shirt!!

"Trim&Slim" by Boinger. Boinger makes a lot of workout tape producs, this is a waist slimmer you wear while working out for sculpting. I took the felt one and wrapped out around my chest (It has a velcro end for adjusting!), though it took myself and my mother to actually get it on... and I was smooshed to near nothingness!!

The only set back was that my sides were so sore by midday due to my body moving and shifting.

I was Sephiroth for halloween, the pics should be in my gallery soon of me and my other cosplaying pals! (We did a little ameture photo-shoot ^.^)

EDIT: Here's me form the side a bit. BOW!! No boobies! http://www.angelfire.com/moon/malkavian/IM000016.JPG

Fault
11-01-2003, 07:24 PM
Yay!! so many success stories :D This is the best thread ever. It has helped so many people. And now we can all wear our crosstumes with greater confidence, comfort and accuracy.

Even though I still can't squish myself smaller than a B, that's about all I was hoping for. I too shall have pics soon.

megumibish
11-01-2003, 07:50 PM
Damn I need to find a place to get the trim and slim thing. I had tried looking for one before coming upon the back brace but, no such luck yet. Hopefully they have one to be found in new hampshire since the stores where I live suck booty. Oh and chibi-dj I would suggest thickening your eyebrows with either a dark matching eyeshadow and or eyebrow liner penciled in fine lil' lines. I'm actually growing my eyebrows out for crossplay. I was sick of barely there eyebrows anyways. =P

Asukas~Doll
11-01-2003, 09:02 PM
Yay for everyone getting a man-chest (or at least close to one)! ^_^

And I did take it off in the shower (and slooooowly -.-; ) but my shower sucks monkeys! Gah! The water goes from a nice warm-hot to Friggin' Freezing! Anyway, back to the topic, it really did help to take it off in the shower, but I'd like to find that detachahol thingy. ^^;;

EDIT: editted a smilie out.... blasted smilies... *shakes fist at them*

Jen-neko
11-01-2003, 09:13 PM
This is definitely an interesting thread, considering I plan on crossplaying for my first anime con =^_^= Only thing is the character I want to crossplay as has an open shirt and I'm a 36 C =\ So I dunno what to do...

http://www.gainax.co.jp/soft/animag/chara/buchi-e.html << here is a pic of the character I'm crossplaying as (Buchi from Animal Magnetism).

Well, I don't know how I'm gonna accomplish this, but I'll find a way! =^^=; If anyone can help, it'd be much appreciated.

chibi-dj
11-01-2003, 10:34 PM
Oh and chibi-dj I would suggest thickening your eyebrows with either a dark matching eyeshadow and or eyebrow liner penciled in fine lil' lines. I'm actually growing my eyebrows out for crossplay. I was sick of barely there eyebrows anyways. =P

Really? hmmm, never thought about that. I actually have to pluck mine cause im the unibrow queen.....it's scary. But thank for the tip!

Savior_Faire
11-01-2003, 11:40 PM
@_@ Is it possible to get a D/DD flat without killing yourself? I say D/DD cause Im stuck somewhere in the middle... -.-; makes bra buying a bitch... but yeah... could I get flat?

Yush, tis very possible! The waist toner by Boinger, the one I mentioned before, works on me; a 42 D >.> But you need another person to help you get it on and it makes your sides sore if you wear it for too long, that's why I'm getting the compression shirt for christmas.

I also don't need to be smooshed flat against my ribs flat since I'm a bit chubby, so the slight bulge of the dreaded (though small) uni-boob managed to even out with my widdle belly and make me look flat ^.^;;

Binding takes a lot of time an paitents if you have a large chest... and a lot of method testing :eeek:

chibi-dj
11-02-2003, 12:11 AM
I suppose it's a trial and error thing, eh?

Karisu-sama
11-02-2003, 02:41 AM
This is definitely an interesting thread, considering I plan on crossplaying for my first anime con =^_^= Only thing is the character I want to crossplay as has an open shirt and I'm a 36 C =\ So I dunno what to do...

http://www.gainax.co.jp/soft/animag/chara/buchi-e.html << here is a pic of the character I'm crossplaying as (Buchi from Animal Magnetism).

Well, I don't know how I'm gonna accomplish this, but I'll find a way! =^^=; If anyone can help, it'd be much appreciated.
Look: READ this thread. Your choices are to either wear a binding that shows across your chest, or try to see if the tape method would work (described in the post #1 and with notice of which further posts have more details) if you wish to show only real skin down the front. (You say you are a C but it might work, depending on firmness, etc. - you would have to TRY it. )

(OK, a 3rd choice would be a fake skin latex front covering a binding, but this thread doesn't so far have info on that.)

If you have already read this thread, you would not "dunno what to do"!!

didjiman
11-02-2003, 03:01 AM
I could tell y'all that Karisu has stocks in skin grafting medical companies and various medical adhesive firms, or that she's channeling the sadistic Dilandau character and just want women to suffer. Of course those would be lies.

Anyway, I have no idea why she's doing it. *Shake head in confusion*

// richard
Founding Member of BOOB (Boobs Out Of Bondage) club.

Karisu-sama
11-02-2003, 03:12 AM
I could tell y'all that Karisu has stocks in skin grafting medical companies and various medical adhesive firms, or that she's channeling the sadistic Dilandau character and just want women to suffer. Of course those would be lies.

Anyway, I have no idea why she's doing it. *Shake head in confusion*

// richard
Founding Member of BOOB (Boobs Out Of Bondage) club.
Psh!! You don't even get why I so love to do costuming and RPG, period!

But I :heart: you anyway. ^_______^

(There, there... everyone has their little hobbies and such... )

Savior_Faire
11-02-2003, 02:02 PM
Tips on Latex? I've worked with latex before so I'll give you some hints:

1)You can find Latex and liquid latex in nearly any costuming store; the Party City by me has packages of the long sheets of latex, though it can be a bit expensive.

2)Use new latex and fresh Spirit Gum, never re-use latex. It gets really gross and once taken off the first time it son't stick as well with the Gum again. Our thespian troupe buys new Sprit Gum every year or two years, after that long the Gum loses it's sticky-ness apparently.

3)Spirit gum won't stick to tape too well since it's not porus (sp?) like flesh is. It sticks to fabric though but make sure it's something you're willing to get ruined; the Gum is hard to get out.

4)Apply the latex and Spirit Gum as needed, making sure that the ends won't peel up, then use flesh tone make-up to blend the ends with your bare skin. Application might take a while if you're doing you're whole front.

5)Removal: You'll need Spirit Gum Remover, hot water and soap won't cut it. The Gum is like peeling off duct tape; it's made to hold and hold fast. Use the remover on the places where the Gum didn't come off the skin.

I've never used latex on such a large area, mostly using it for applying elf ears and fake chins and noses. Good luck if you want to try this, but keep in mind that an opaque, skin-tone leotard works just the same except for the obvious neck-line of the suit.

Jen-neko
11-02-2003, 02:21 PM
Look: READ this thread. Your choices are to either wear a binding that shows across your chest, or try to see if the tape method would work (described in the post #1 and with notice of which further posts have more details) if you wish to show only real skin down the front. (You say you are a C but it might work, depending on firmness, etc. - you would have to TRY it. )

(OK, a 3rd choice would be a fake skin latex front covering a binding, but this thread doesn't so far have info on that.)

If you have already read this thread, you would not "dunno what to do"!!

*cowers* I kinda skipped around pages, since it's so long =._.=;; but yeah, I guess I'll just haveta try it out and see what works best. (thanks)

Liriel
11-02-2003, 03:35 PM
The hips you will have to deal with another way. (I need to post my techniques for that - hopefully I 'll get to it soon...)

*blinks surprised*

There is a way to deal with hips?! I do hope you will post that soon. While I can get pretty flat for a C-cup, there's no way my hips are anything other than female. I do not expect miracles, but a little less would be nice. *g*

Savior_Faire
11-02-2003, 04:36 PM
*blinks surprised*

There is a way to deal with hips?!

Ooo! I just tired something and it worked rather decently ^.^

Take an age bandage and tie it around you like a studebaker used for rock climbing. Unfortunatly, I can't find any tutorials for making a studebaker, you'll have to ask a rock climber or your gym teacher ^.^;

Karisu-sama
11-02-2003, 06:22 PM
Ace bandage on hips: does it work if you sit, run around, etc.?? That might work for some padding of flesh ^__^;; , but I am so scrawny that the widest point one sees on MY hips is the bone directly beneath the skin. ^__^;; So yeah, I can't bind THAT smaller.

Savior_Faire
11-02-2003, 10:26 PM
Actually it does. The way the studebaker is tied (properly), it's made to stay put on you when rock climbing and it stayed on for the time I was walking around the house with it on. Maybe I'll wear it to school tomarrow and see how long it stays ^.^

I think I'll do that, and I'll give you guys the results.

Liriel
11-03-2003, 02:56 PM
Take an age bandage and tie it around you like a studebaker used for rock climbing. Unfortunatly, I can't find any tutorials for making a studebaker, you'll have to ask a rock climber or your gym teacher ^.^;

Do you have a reference pic somewhere? My dictionary capitulates and I only have a vague idea what you might mean. (And no rock climber or gym teacher somewhere near me to ask ...)

Savior_Faire
11-03-2003, 07:59 PM
Nope, I've been trying to find a pic and no luck.

And I wore it today in school and it worked! I even had people complimented me on how good my hips looked ^.^

CapsuleCorp
11-05-2003, 08:49 PM
Query for those who regularly use Ace bandages for binding: are you having the same problems I'm having with the damn clippies, or am I just pulling too hard? I've managed to destroy all of the clips that came with the Ace bandage - well, one was already busted when I took it out of the package, it pulled apart as I was unwrapping it for the first time. Managed to pull the other two apart last weekend. Is anyone else having this problem? And can you buy spare clips?

I remember back in the day, Ace bandages came with all-metal clips that worked great. What's up with this elastic-banded clip? The elastic pulls right out of the clip!

Karisu-sama
11-05-2003, 10:51 PM
The crappy clips do die after awhile, and I don't know if you can buy others (I have so many spare bandages, I just keep stealing the other clips.) I also find using safety pins (used perpendicular to the direction of pull) to be quite useful.

CapsuleCorp
11-06-2003, 08:04 PM
Perpendicular, thanks for the tip. I did use safety pins when the clips busted (shot one across the room, too, still haven't found the other half) but I was concerned about the way they pull at the elastic threads. That's a big tip, awesome! Thanks!

momo_anzu
11-08-2003, 01:23 PM
Wow, I wish I could do that! :(

I am a D Cup [nice in RL] and I'm playing Mana. [sucks at a con] :(

Alas, women playing men playing women is not a good thing if you have a large chest!

Ah....wowie, I thought I was the only one who thought about Mana's chest, heh. I made a costume of him (My first, and so far only; funny how my first is a crossplay) and well....my chest was way too...plump? Lol. It confused my mom as to why I wanted to bind, and in the end she forbade me from doing so 'cause she didn't want me scaring the neighbors (*halloween costume, btw), lol. So...ace bandages? Do they come in white or just flesh tone? (This dress is white so...) I'm a 36B btw....It's kind of sad when some of my guy friends have bigger chests then me....anyway back to the costume...about hips...Mana seems to have a quite curvy figure if you ask me, but does anyone else think so? I have...birthing hips (and I'm only 15!!!) so I don't think there'd be any way to disguise them. He seems to have girlyhips and girlylegs though, so...This picture:

http://cdff.narcissisticelf.net/MananGacckt/mana03.gif

shows his very nice hips, heh, so I shouldn't have to bind them right?

Fault
11-08-2003, 08:24 PM
That's a boy o.0? Wow.. gender indeterminency at it's best IMHO. *blink* If I crossplayed him instead of Iori I'd be a lot closer to the desired end product.

chai_fiend
11-08-2003, 10:59 PM
Ah....wowie, I thought I was the only one who thought about Mana's chest, heh. I made a costume of him (My first, and so far only; funny how my first is a crossplay) and well....my chest was way too...plump? Lol. It confused my mom as to why I wanted to bind, and in the end she forbade me from doing so 'cause she didn't want me scaring the neighbors (*halloween costume, btw), lol. So...ace bandages? Do they come in white or just flesh tone? (This dress is white so...) I'm a 36B btw....It's kind of sad when some of my guy friends have bigger chests then me....anyway back to the costume...about hips...Mana seems to have a quite curvy figure if you ask me, but does anyone else think so? I have...birthing hips (and I'm only 15!!!) so I don't think there'd be any way to disguise them. He seems to have girlyhips and girlylegs though, so...This picture:

http://cdff.narcissisticelf.net/MananGacckt/mana03.gif

shows his very nice hips, heh, so I shouldn't have to bind them right?

ok i'm back w/ my anti-binding self, but this time i hav a good point to make--i think. i'v seen tons of mana cosplay by women of course who are quite curvacious and it works. i dont think you should have to worry about hiding your hips when doing mana, esp mana considering he often dons circle skirts n such any way which give the illusion of hips. when cosplaying a guy who crossdresses why bind? ok someone mentioned accuracy but the guy is trying to appear like a woman which is what you are naturally. so i say go w/ what ya got.
i love that pic of mana. he looks so gorgeous...*swoon*

momo_anzu
11-09-2003, 12:33 AM
That's a boy o.0? Wow.. gender indeterminency at it's best IMHO. *blink* If I crossplayed him instead of Iori I'd be a lot closer to the desired end product.

I know how you feel, lol. When I first got into jrock and stuff I was like....no..it can't be! He's a guy and he's the prettiest girl I've ever seen!!!! Lol. But yeah, he's a guy, hehehe. I love the way he is so curvy..now if he only had some breasts I'd be in business.

And I really don't mind the whole "binding" thingy, Chai_fiend. I guess it's a matter of your own moral code. Mine is...if it doesn't involve human sacrifices...go with it! Heh. But really, you are soo right about the curves with us girl when cosplaying Mana.....if I didn't know any better...*shifty look*...must see naked Mana to be sure! *wink wink* Heh.

And he IS so very pretty. Makes you question what side you go for, even if he is a guy, lol. Wouldn't mind cuddling up to ANYONE that pretty. And if they had Mana's guitar skills..even better! But there's noooo substitute....

Ok..enough off-topic ramblings from me, sorry, heh.

Someone should make a small webpage showing how to bind and then cover properly. Kind of hard to go through 14 pages of this thread, heh. Or could someone just take the main points and post them again? Seeya!

Xella
11-13-2003, 02:57 AM
For characters who are wearing incredibly bulky and loose clothing, is it worth binding, considering that no chest can be seen whatever? Binding's not a problem, and I'd actually like to try it, and since all the methods mentioned thus far would work for me (I'm a B, and would like it to stay that way, if not shrink, thankyamuch =D), but if there's really no point with the costume in question, then there's... erm... no point, and I should thus do it at a con that isn't coming up in fifteen days (aaagh! @__@;;)

(I've read the whole~ thread. Is it here, and am I blind? I think I am. Hooray for contacts ^^; But man, you guys are interesting. I'd never have thought of some of the things you're thinking of to get flat.)

Karisu-sama
11-13-2003, 03:21 AM
Bulky / loose clothing: I'd suggest just wear a sports bra, put on the costume, pose in front of a mirror and observe. If you see evidence of girly chest, bind, otherwise you're good to go. ^^

Ayaka
11-13-2003, 02:32 PM
Ehm, I admit I skipped a page or two of this thread, so if I missed this issue being addressed, go ahead and bonk me with a squeaky mallet and I'll dig more.

But, if your character has a completely open shirt, how does one keep from being indecent? I'm going to try the taping method, I'm small and I've had so many EKGs etc that involved ripping off assorted adhesives I have no fear. :3 Yoh from Shaman King's school outfit top is just a white dress shirt, unbuttoned all the way, nothing underneath. I thought about running double sided tape along the opening to keep the shirt from falling open, but I think that might look kind of strange, and I'm not sure how secure it would be anyway.

So, I guess the question is does anyone have suggestions, and exactly how much exposure is considered indecent? Probably varies from con to con, but if my nipples and most of the breast area are covered, is that still considered indecent exposure if I should have an "accident" and the shirt falls open? ^^;;;

CapsuleCorp
11-13-2003, 04:26 PM
Xella - a tight sports bra should definitely do the trick. That's what I wear under the body-shirt, robe, and vest for Dende, and had people asking me whether I was a girl or a guy under the makeup, so it worked plenty well. A good secure sports bra that holds you in rather than "supports" will flatten you just enough.

Asukas~Doll
11-15-2003, 12:47 AM
*bonks Ayaka with squeaky mallet* ^_^ sorry, had to do it. One girl was asking about the same thing for someone else (sorry, forgot who it was). Some people suggested latex over the chest area. The double sided tape might work, just put it on the right places. If all else fails, try it, pose and see if it works. If not... then.. uh.. maybe the great Karisu-sama or someone else might have some better tips.

Karisu-sama
11-15-2003, 01:48 AM
if your character has a completely open shirt, how does one keep from being indecent? I'm going to try the taping method, I'm small and I've had so many EKGs etc that involved ripping off assorted adhesives I have no fear. :3 Yoh from Shaman King's school outfit top is just a white dress shirt, unbuttoned all the way, nothing underneath. I thought about running double sided tape along the opening to keep the shirt from falling open, but I think that might look kind of strange, and I'm not sure how secure it would be anyway.I'm assuming by your description that the shirt hangs open in front and loosely OVER the pants, instead of tucked in. I would indeed try double-sided tape (I haven't done so myself, and I honestly don't know where one gets the best kind for taping clothes to body - it MUST exist, because too many open-fronted dresses in Hollywood also exist. :p If anyone knows what and where to get this tape - LET US KNOW! :) )

When I've had navel-length unbuttoning with a tucked-in shirt, my "secret weapon" is safety-pinning the front of the shirt to the front of my underwear so it can't progressively pull looser out of the pants, heh heh. (I had to bend forward / dance, etc., and I didn't want to flash the tape! :p )
if my nipples and most of the breast area are covered, is that still considered indecent exposure if I should have an "accident" and the shirt falls open? ^^;;;
I wouldn't believe so. ^^

Sumomo
11-15-2003, 10:01 AM
I believe the double sided tape would work. There was a girl cosplayer who wore nothing but ribbons wrapped around her body and she said it stayed on perfectly with double-sided tape. ^_^ So yeah, I suggest using that :D

dani
11-15-2003, 11:30 AM
I'm assuming by your description that the shirt hangs open in front and loosely OVER the pants, instead of tucked in. I would indeed try double-sided tape (I haven't done so myself, and I honestly don't know where one gets the best kind for taping clothes to body - it MUST exist, because too many open-fronted dresses in Hollywood also exist. :p If anyone knows what and where to get this tape - LET US KNOW! :) )


You can try Carpet Tape, from Home depot or a similar store. It has glue on both sides and its used to stick vinyl carpet into floors. No idea how good it would work on fabric or skin.

Goodluck

Dani

Karisu-sama
11-15-2003, 01:11 PM
I believe the double sided tape would work. There was a girl cosplayer who wore nothing but ribbons wrapped around her body and she said it stayed on perfectly with double-sided tape. ^_^ So yeah, I suggest using that :D
Actually, I know exactly who you are talking about (Sarcasm-hime), and I'm going to PM her.

Asukas~Doll
11-15-2003, 11:45 PM
(this post is a little long. Sorry!) eheh well since I am a crazy lunatic and seeing that I had some extra sports tape, I decided to try a little experiment to help the process of taking off the tape a little less painful and a little faster for everyone out there that can't find/afford/or forgets that detachahol (sp?). So here goes:
I basically went through the whole binding process (shower, dry, bind) without actually binding my whole chest, just the front area, under the armpits, and on parts of the back. Then after a day of wearing that, I went in for the actual experiment. It really helps to soak the tape before trying to remove it.
Dry- yeah, tried taking it off this way but I wussed out. It hurt too much

Hot to warm water- Pros:melts the sticky part of the tape and doesn't hurt too much. Cons:Takes a LONG time. Also leaves a few battle wounds.

Bar soap- Pros:Everyone has bar soap. Cons:It keeps slipping around and doesn't get to the part that's stuck to the skin very easily.

Crest cavity protection toothpaste: Pros: couldn't find any. Cons: it kinda burned... Had to wash it off very quickly.

Apricot Scrub:Pros:It made me squeaky clean Cons:didn't really work.

Clear Logix acne medication: Pros: It helped a little in taking it off Cons:It didn't do a whole lot, it was just above using the water.

Tresemme self-warming conditioner: Pros: It warms itself Cons:I think it actually made the tape stickier....

Citre Shine Conditioner:Pros:None really Cons:No better than just using water, made the tape really slick.

Citre Shine Shampoo/Head&Shoulders shampoo: Pros: These were the best. It made the tape less sticky and helped in reducing the battle wounds. Cons: You have to rub it in and let it sit on the area for a few seconds.

So that's it. The shampoo worked the best. Also I have really sensitive skin so some of the results might be different for other people. I hope it helps when you take off the binding! And sorry again for it being long. ^_^;;

Edit: spelling and grammar -_-;

Ayaka
11-16-2003, 06:26 PM
Karisu-sama - Yah, sorry, it is indeed untucked. I was actually watching TV in a hotel this weekend with my mom and she spied Yoh on Fox, she was a bit freaked that I wanted to try to cosplay him without flesh-colored spandex. XD (But I'm relieved I probably won't get arrested for doing so. ^_~) Ah, the things we do for cosplay.

I think *someone* once told me to try using toupee tape for holding fabric to one's body. I think I'll go on a double-sided tape shopping spree and have some fun. :3 (And pass on anything learned, of course.)

Dani - Carpet tape is an interesting suggestion, but it seems like it would take off a lot of skin. lol. I may give it a shot though XD (I can think of some other things I could use it for, actually!)

When I was removing EKG leads (some of which I'd had on for several days at a time, sleeping on them, etc), I usually used a bit of baby oil to help get it off. If you don't have any, you can actually use vegetable or olive oil too.

Karisu-sama
11-16-2003, 07:06 PM
Here's Saracasm-hime's advice:

"I actually just bought a roll of green double-sided painter's masking tape from the hardware store and have been using that--it's pretty strong. Toupee tape would probably be better on the skin, I guess, as it's designed to be used on skin. *shrug* You can probably get it at wig stores."

Alternatively, for a "bare torso" one could always use a compression shirt, but as the only ones I've seen come in white, they have to be dyed flesh-tone (and for the best look, have a nice man-torso muscle design airbrushed on 'em.) And then you'd still have a visible break at the collar line where the shirt ends, unless you can hide it with a choker or something.

Ayaka
11-16-2003, 10:20 PM
Thanks to Karisu-sama and to Sarcasm-hime. I shall go out, shop, experiment, and report back. ^^ *salutes*

Fault
11-24-2003, 08:15 PM
I have one HUGE suggestion for anyone taping their skin. Shave. Seriously. You might not think you're that hairy (I mean, hairy breasts aren't usually a problem for people), but when it comes time to taking the tape off you'll feel the wrenching removal of every single one of those hairs you don't think you have. *shudder* Owchies. Especially when you've had the tape on for a while and the hairs are really stuck into the glue.

Shaving is your friend.

Nancyboynoire
11-25-2003, 07:27 PM
I don't know about the whole tape thing... *winces* Sounds painfull to remove... and it's so tender aorund there... yeowch! I personally prefer just wearing a sports bra, (( well last time I had to wear too. *coughs* they're getting bigger... )) and I find that if you're crossplaying a hero-type character like Tidus of Link it almost looks like you gots Man boobs!!! (um... pec-something... you know chest muscles) but that's just what works best for me personally I don't think it would work if you were particularly chesty...

Karisu-sama
11-25-2003, 08:34 PM
Tape = how to look totally natural and unbound in an open-fronted shirt. Like: show REAL SKIN all the way down to the navel. Hot showers (for removal) are my friend.

Besides, it IS the most comfortable and breatheable method I have. ~__^ Just have to caaaaaaarefully take it off.

ACXchan
12-04-2003, 10:28 PM
I should try the bare chest method sometime because I don't like it when the silver of the duct tape peeks out now and then @D@

I don't know if this has been discussed but lately my concern is whether taping will make thine boobs sag. This would be my main concern with trying Karisu's bare chest method. I'm a 36C.

Karisu-sama
12-06-2003, 12:34 AM
More on tape: If after wearing it for a while, if it feels like it's rubbing and starting to raise a blister somewhere, - it probably IS. Remove (or at least at that location.) Duct tape (which I have not used) may actually do that less than sports tape; it has stronger glue. =/ Sports tape does not adhere so tightly, but is a more flexible tape.

I can't speak for other people on "sagging", since everyone has different firmness of breast tissue, etc. The only "sag" / loss of firmness that I have experienced (which to most people does not look like ANY sag at all - but I know the difference) had nothing to do with any form of binding. It's the result of breastfeeding two children.

Your Mileage May Vary, of course.

ACXchan
12-06-2003, 04:18 AM
LOL sweet, not *too* much risk with the mileage then XD

I usually manage to avoid skin irritation when using duct tape by wearing a bandeau bra then wrapping the tape over it. I don't know if sports tape would adhere to cloth material well and still be removable at the same time, but it does minimize the skin irritation by covering up some of your body area ^ ^ When removing the tape, wedge the blade between the tape and material so you can make an incision and tear the tape down the middle. In most cases the bandeau survives the ordeal. Both of mine have tape residue on them but neither are torn.

Karisu-sama
12-07-2003, 07:56 PM
I only use tape when I'm going for a full frontal skin look for a very open-in-front costume, otherwise I use an Ace bandage, a compression shirt, or a "waist-slimmer" thing pulled up over my chest (all much quicker to remove. ) If I can wrap something all the way around and the costume won't show it, I don't bother with tape. (But then, I'm not a C! )

Cloth sports tape adheres to cloth sports tape better than to other cloth, from what I've seen. (It didn't work folded over in place of double-sided tape to keep my unzipped jacket from revealing too much. )

ACXchan
12-09-2003, 08:46 PM
Karisu: otherwise I use an Ace bandage, a compression shirt, or a "waist-slimmer" thing pulled up over my chest (all much quicker to remove. )

LOL I used something similar over at AX03. I experimented with one of those elastic back support things and wore it over my chest. It actually works fairly well, but probably wouldn't support the illusion for an open shirt @D@

otakutre
12-23-2003, 07:23 PM
Heh. "Mileage."

Anyway, before beginning work on my first crossplay I figured that if I was going to be fitting garments to my torso, I'd better not have any extra curves that wouldn't be there when I wear it for real. Compensating for breasts during the construction and then suddenly not having them is sure to make a top fit funny.

So I bought a 4-inch velcro ACE brand bandage and attempted to do a quick wrap tonight to make sure I liked the look. I'm only a B so I figured it shouldn't be too hard. Yeah. Well, the shape wasn't ideal. I was flatter to be sure... but the profile was a little off.

Any recommendations? Is it best to wrap from top to bottom or from bottom to top? Should I try an additional bandage... just in case? What I have is enough to start the fittings with, but for the con, I want the shape to look better.

Karisu-sama
12-23-2003, 11:37 PM
You have to figure out where to relocate things so that they hide the best. For me (barely B) I wrap more from bottom to top, and adjust things upward and out to the sides as much as I can - sort of gives an illusion of pectoral muscles. A second bandage can help, but just make sure things aren't too tight on the ribs so as to cause pain (that is very bad.)

My daughter has to use 2 bandages - she is more endowed ( :( for her ) and cannot pull things upward much without it giving her more cleavage. For her, her compression shirt actually works best.

I use 6" (wider, so works much better than 4") NON-self-sticky ACE brand bandages (store or other brand are much weaker) with clips (when the clips break or get lost I use safety pins perpendicular to the direction of pull.)

otakutre
12-26-2003, 11:41 AM
Karisu: I think I'll try the tape method that you mentioned in post #1. Is this Johnson & Johnson tape available in the average drugstore? I may look for it in the next day or so and give it a test run. Thankies.

Hanyaan
12-29-2003, 02:31 PM
I've read this thread and nobody seems to have mentioned this. I found a cheap (and pre-existing in my case) alternate for a compression shirt. Just because I was wondering if it would work on my C/D cups, I tried on a one-piece child's swimsuit (I'm 5'2", I can fit a kid's swimsuit) that I had from a few years ago that just barely fits me still. Although it's not as good as what smaller-chested people get, it got me down to the appearance of A cups or (most likely) smaller. Woohoo! It was some kind of Land's End swimsuit. ^____^ Not sure this helps anybody, but I thought I should share that.

otakutre
12-30-2003, 03:36 PM
Hmm. That bathing suit top thing makes TONS of sense! (PS love your avatar quote (it DOES) and the Good Omens ref in your sig)

Karisu-sama: Tried the tape method because I, too, shall have a low-cut shirt. I just used some 3M tape I had lying about that I had overlooked. I used maybe three strips around (just to get an idea) and... WOW. I... where did they GO??? That's awesome and I couldn't be more pleased. Admittedly, I'm a little tender on the sides, I think, from the tape... but that just means I need better medical tape. Yayeee!

dani
12-30-2003, 05:07 PM
Sorry for jumping in on an issue I can only see from the opposite side of the fence, but please humor me for a second and see if this makes any difference:

Instead of doing the binding standing up (presumably in front of a mirror), doing it while laying horizontally in bed, looking at the ceiling. Of course you need to raise your back a bit to pass the binding through, but I'd guess gravity can help you reposition you goodies, and you'd only need to make sure they stay that way when you stand up.

It occured to me because I sometimes bend my chest down when taping to MAKE cleavage. (wouldn't it be a lot easier if we could just lend and borrow *some" items?)

Best of luck....


Dani

Lulani
12-31-2003, 02:23 PM
Well, this is really useful! Thanks ^^
Though it's really easy for me anyway since I'm...32 AA xD

crossplay_girl4
01-03-2004, 02:54 PM
I read the different methods and so I went into my barthoom and found this tan tape that you use for sprains and such. so I tested it out it works fine ( Using the method for #62 excepts crossing over the chest horizontaly.) but I need either wider tape or just more of it. Either way i think this is a good method for people who aren't above a b. It's accually comfortable but I think it could be improved a bit more. I'll keep messing with it.

THIS WORLD IS MADE OF LOVE AND PEACE! *chants*

Also should point out it works if you're covered up XP

Masako
01-04-2004, 11:12 AM
I recently tried your bare-chested method and it worked!!!! I have C cup boobies and the method actually worked for them! I was using them to cosplay Jack Sparrow. I will post some pictures of the costume to show the results later when photos are developed.

Though I have a few warnings to issue:

I experienced hyper ventalilation after wearing the bindings for more then 6 hours and I nearly fainted. The first few hours it was pretty comfortable but by the time the 6 hour had arrived I was breathing very quickly and looked extremly pale. And also just wanting to ask does else experience itchiness in the middle chest area? I did and was scratching at them like mad after about 5 hours of wearing the bindings. It felt kinda obscene in a way but then I remembered I was suppose to be a guy so heheheheh scratch scratch. :P

crossplay_girl4
01-04-2004, 09:22 PM
When you have to tape horizontaly do you accualy tape you back as well or is it peices of 6" long tape. :japan: Heheh

Karisu-sama
01-04-2004, 10:45 PM
I actually tape all the way around my back. It may not be necessary, but it'll hold that way all day without popping.

I find itchiness under the tape often means a blister is going to happen. Blisters = loss of 1 layer of skin where the blister is, so I try to pay attention to that. I do not like to lose skin.

Haven't had hyperventilation problems, but I also haven't had to go as tight as someone with a C-cup would probably have to.

crossplay_girl4
01-05-2004, 02:56 PM
I came home after school and tried to get and idea for my flat chest (( crossplaying kakashi ^_^)) So I used the tame method but I didn't have ace tape so i was using this johnson and johnson tape. I then cut a pair of pantyhose out and used that. Really didn't get very flat but I'm going to add anther layer of tape and pantyhose to see if that works better. :jjacks:

Karrit
01-15-2004, 03:03 PM
I'm planning to crossplay as Lupin Sansei. What would you suggest for binding a 42 d-size chest?

SMoogle
01-16-2004, 08:22 PM
I will definitly try the child's bathing suit idea..though I can just imagine the dressingroom lady's look when I walk into the changing room with a few pairs of 12 year old girl bikini tops, and size C (D is for denial...*sigh*) boobs. Hehe. the only thing I'd be worried about is the elastic around the bottoms cutting into my skin (you know, kinda like a little-too-tight bra?). If it works, I will be forever in your debt. I've never even considered crossplay because I thought it would be impossible for me. Toshiya, here I come! :)

ACXchan
01-17-2004, 06:53 PM
Masako, I'd like to see your pictures to see how that method turned out because I too am a C at 36 @D@ I've never experienced hyperventilation or anything of that sort but those were all under the tape-all-the-way-around method. When I do that I make sure to take half a deep breath and hold it while applying the first layer of tape. This ensures that your chest has enough room to expand for breathing.

Really wanna see how that Jack Sparrow costume with the bare chest turned out XD

Aeauna
01-23-2004, 08:47 PM
First of all, I would like to say "Thank you soooooooo much!!" to all of you brilliant people. You know so much about this that it boggles my mind. My question is this: how much tape would I need for this? Will one roll be enough, or will I need more? I would hate to get halfway through binding before realizing that I won't have enough tape. Also, I realize it's a bit late for this, but about keeping an open shirt in place, I'd try sewing loops of ribbon near the opening, then taping those down. I'm not sure that made sense outside of my head though....

ACXchan
01-23-2004, 09:49 PM
Aeauna, depends on what type of tape you're talking about. Generally though I believe one roll of tape, be it duct or ace bandage, should work for at least one wear. I usually wrap myself in 2-3 layers of duct tape and don't run out for at least six wears. I tend to use 30yd rolls of tape from Target XD

LWong
01-26-2004, 05:40 PM
After reading all 16 pages O_o;... it seems that most people go for the Ace Bandages... I think... is that good for a 36C? What about the duct tape? I hear about the skin-loss (kinda scared of that...)

I looked at the other methods and they seemed to be aimed at smaller sizes... the compression shirt seems good, but I can't get it, and I don't need it to be open-shirt, so the sports tape is no good?

... Yes... n00b here... AND a n00b at cos/crossplaying... Sorry if I missed things that answered my question... *hides*

ACXchan
01-26-2004, 05:51 PM
I'm a 36C spilling into a 36D, I've never tried ace bandages personally, they seem more lax than duct tape and I can't afford to buy 3xs the amount of ace bandages when I can buy cheap duct tape XD Everyone loses skin when they tape themselves but I've never had a skin loss horror story with duct tape. That's because I wear a bandeau bra under the tape. Wear a tight bandeau bra or tube top to protect your skin. My spandex and nylon ones have yet to die from being taped on repeatedly so you won't have to buy those often either ^ ^

Digital Blush
01-30-2004, 12:45 PM
lol boob fairy? thanks for the tips i needed some for my Sasuke Uchiha costume. ^^ my boyfriend is going to probably be Naruto but he's having second thoughts and wants to be Sasuke too so we'll see what goes on but thanks for the help ^^

Black Glass <3
01-31-2004, 07:17 PM
@_@ Oooh bindage...owie. -_-;;

I lurve it though ^^

Fault
02-02-2004, 08:18 PM
Shaving one's chest may stop tape-glue stickage, but be careful that you don't give yourself shaving-rash underneath your bandages >_@.

On the plus side, I'll have some piccies of my Iori un-chest soon. :D

Hitori
02-02-2004, 08:59 PM
I have a question about the open shirt method. Thus far, I've done it with a tucked in shirt, or a shirt that was onli unbuttoned on the top, how would I go about leaving the shirt totalli open? Is this even possible..? It's not key to the outfit, but it would be a great touch. (I'm being Touga of Utena and I've got - thus far- a harem of six Ohtori school girls w/ mi)

Young Blood
02-02-2004, 10:52 PM
I KNOW this has probably already been posted on here somewhere but there are SO many posts to read through, so I apologize if it's already in here.

I'll be crossplaying as InuYasha at Otakon 2004, and I REALLY need to figure out how to bind properly. (Though I have some SLIGHT leeway because his red haori type shirt is semi-baggy, but I'll be taking that off to let 'Kagome' wear) So. Here's the issue. (I know this is probably TMI for some people.. but in truth there's no real way to get around it.
I am... well endowed. I have a DD and am most likely still getting bigger (me being 16), and I need to find a way to bind my chest at least semi-decently.

Otakon isn't until July, so I have time to try and lose some weight to see if that helps, but in all honesty, IF it does anything, it'll take off less than a cup size. *wishes she was still in fourth grade when she was mostly flat and looked like a boy*

Anyone have any suggestions?
I could really use the tips.

Angara
02-14-2004, 11:05 PM
Look at post #'s 1, 44 and 62. AND pay close attention if you see a longer post amidst this thread by Karisu-sama aww yeah ;)

That'll narrow some of it down for you. :woah:

Fault
02-16-2004, 08:48 AM
Finally, I have my Iori Unchest photos. I am usually a 30DD, so the faux-bicep look is about as flat as I'm gunna get.

I consider this a 100% success. And I have Karisu-sama to thank for the tips on how to make it work so well.

Kokuu
02-16-2004, 01:53 PM
*claps* nice job Fault! Which method did you end up using?

I'm surprised that noone has mentioned it here, but muslin cut on the bias (diagonal to the straight grain of the fabric) about a foot wide, and a couple yards long works fairly well, especially for women with larger boobs, since it's wider then the ace bandage. It does a fairly good job at smooshing me from a DD to around an A, though I'm not happy with the whole "uni-boob" effect. I still think I can do better, so I'm planning on trial running the compression shirt/back brace together as soon as my compression shirt comes in the mail.

dani
02-16-2004, 04:04 PM
Looking at Fault and Kokuu avatars... are you two sisters separated at birth?

Dani

Fault
02-16-2004, 06:36 PM
*sweatdrop* I don't think we are. I have one sister already... You're right though, those grins are eerily similar.

..And I was using the patented Karisu-sama untaped cleavage method. The left pic would've been indecent otherwise.

CapsuleCorp
02-16-2004, 08:49 PM
That's excellent work, Fault. Makes me even more curious about finding a costume I can do that would involve testing out said method. :D *applause*

Kokuu - I'll mention that method to a friend of mine. She's not exactly looking to crossplay, but she's much bigger than I am and wants to simply get a little smaller for one or two costumes. Something about a Kill Bill jumpsuit. Muslin sounds like just the method that would work, and it's something both of us have lying around in piles!

Black Glass <3
02-17-2004, 06:05 PM
Ah...binding X.x;;; I love doing it, and from this nice long thread (I read every post XD) I think I'm gonna try the "un-chest" ^^

Karisu-sama
02-18-2004, 08:57 PM
Finally, I have my Iori Unchest photos. I am usually a 30DD, so the faux-bicep look is about as flat as I'm gunna get.

I consider this a 100% success. And I have Karisu-sama to thank for the tips on how to make it work so well.
You're welcome. ^____________^

o.@ - you're normally a 30DD??? By those pictures I'd NEVER guess!!! :D :D

KireiX
02-20-2004, 05:34 PM
ok i dont see the point in binding at all. maybe its cuz like Lolita Goth, i'm a D-cup too and the thought of mashing that much flesh to my chest doesn't appeal to me. (isnt that why women find mammograms uncomfy). first of all, if you're crossplaying someone well, it shouldn't matter whether or not we can see the tits. also, breasts are beautiful. so i say NO to binding and encourage others to join me in this protest.

I understand you have a right to your opinion and all.... but C'mon this isnt like a stand up for your rights podeum. These women can make up their own mind. :p