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Mephistopheles
07-16-2003, 10:26 AM
I've been noticing there is much debate over whether Rude is black or white. I'm curious to see what some of you think, and why that is.

I'm considering cosplaying as rude now, mainly due to the simplicity of his attire, but am at odds over whether or not to do so because of this debate. I'm quite white, pale in fact, and would hate to 'steal' one of the few choices available to black cosplayers who may be as nitpicky as I am about looking exactly like that character.

I'm curious to see what people think, and why. Your input can sway my opinion either way.

Collie
07-16-2003, 11:12 AM
Don't place race into cosplay is my suggestion. If we did that, there'd be alot less of certain characters cause people would be like... "Oh, no they're asian, so I can't do it now!" or whatever, y'know. I say put it aside. Who cares what people think...
~*~Collie~*~

Michi
07-16-2003, 11:52 AM
The hell? Since when was Rude's ethnicity ever a debate? Where is this debate? He's not dark skinned! Yeah, neither is Michael Jackson, but I don't think they have vitiligo in the world of FF7.

Mephistopheles
07-16-2003, 01:02 PM
Well, reading through a couple of the 'black characters' threads on these forums, I've seen his name mentioned. Also, looking around online for potential bald characters to cosplay, and especially after his name had been brought up, I was looking for more visual references for Rude. I saw debates on some other message boards, and some websites over the ethnicity of Rude, and figured I'd get a general consensus from the users here. I'd even come across some fanart depicting Rude as black.

Now, one particular picture I saw was reportedly official art from Square, and Rude looked pretty caucasian to me. I mainly just wanted to hear others opinions on the matter before I decided to give it a shot. I'm rather specific when it comes to looking like the character as close to exact as I can get.

I agree completely that skin tone, size, weight, etc., shouldn't matter when cosplaying your favorite character, but I'm a bit anal about being a spitting image of any character I cosplay. I can only ever get so close, but I HAVE to be as close as I can get.

Michi
07-16-2003, 01:38 PM
o____O That's.. werid. I've never heard of that. What arguments do people have to claim he's black?

Mephistopheles
07-16-2003, 02:39 PM
Well, here's the thread on these forums where it was mentioned:
http://forums.cosplay.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5571

...and the closest thing to a viable argument most people had given was comparing some screenshots of the game where Rude is standing next to Cloud, and they point out that Rude's skin is darker than Cloud's. Granted, Cloud is no Captain Beach Tan, but it was as viable an argument I could find. Most people just yelled and said, "WTF! HE IS BLACK!! D00fu5!" and such.

I can't remember where I found the link to one such argument, but if I find it again I'll post it.

Michi
07-16-2003, 07:44 PM
That's kind of dumb. That game's only black character was very obvious -- if Rude was meant to be, he'd probably be just as obvious instead of "somewhat darker skinned than everyone else; therefore black".

Wow that really irks me for some reason. ^_^; I'm not saying a black guy can't be Rude or anything, but... geez.

Mephistopheles
07-17-2003, 12:16 AM
Well, that's now another option for me. Now if I can only find a blue suit with a zip-up jacket.....HMMMM

Michi
07-17-2003, 03:18 PM
Zip-up jacket?

Vinya
07-17-2003, 03:24 PM
*raises hand* Er... Barret is _definately_ black, right? soo.... you put Rude next to Barret and laa~ Look! I'd say he's just well-tanned. Or someting. XD And michi, yes, they actually are zip-up-jackets. Strange.... But _so_ Tetsuya Nomura. ^_^ Wait, I'll try to look for a pic for you...

Michi
07-17-2003, 03:31 PM
Yeah, exactly. I said in another thread how they made the one black character very obviously black.. so if Rude was meant to be, then that would be obvious too. x_X; He's never looked very tan to me, either. :X

Heh I've never really paid attention to the clothing designs. >_>

Vinya
07-17-2003, 03:34 PM
Ooh, michi-san, here here: http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7/graphics/people/shinra/turks.jpg If it doesn't work, then www.rpgamer.com -> Games -> Series -> FFVII -> Square art -> Character CG, Statistics, and Information -> Shinra Management -> Turks Force

I _so_ love Nomura's clothing designs. ^____________^

Michi
07-17-2003, 03:54 PM
Wow, I never noticed the little zipper thing. Good thing I never planned to cosplay a Turk. :p Maybe Elena someday.. pfft.

And yeah, Rude is so not black..

SyntaxGlitch
07-19-2003, 12:21 AM
Rude is actually a bit darker-skinned than most of the other characters, I did notice that in the game. But not to the point of what we'd normally call "black". Again, look at him next to Barret. :P Case closed, thank you, moving on...

Neko Cathy
07-21-2003, 12:49 AM
MICHAEL JACKSON??? :thumbsup:

Dude, he's black. I've always saw him as a black guy beause of his haircut and dark skinned apperance. Plus to equal out the "racial quota" you need a minority (perferably a black guy) to be involve in some hitman organization or the Turks wouldn't be "gangsta" at all. I dunno... not to be racist or anything but I can't see an all white/asian group wanting to be hitman or gang members. I come from a multicultural neighborhood ^___^;

Race should NEVER matter with cosplay as long as you look like the character and peole can identify who you're cosplaying. There's a Black Ranma guy here and he looks teriffic for going as a light skinned asian character! Cosplay is about dressing up as a character from a series you like and expressing that thought, not just to show off and be an attention hooker. If you like Rude and find him an interesting character, by all means go as him! I would love to see a Rude cosplayer because I haven't met one yet.

Michi
07-21-2003, 01:02 AM
Rude doesn't have a haircut. He has no hair. Is being bald really considered a haircut? ^^;

I don't think racial quotas work the same in the world of FF7. o_o; Just look at Barret, even.
Plus, there's no Africa on that planet. :p And no other dark skinned characters aside from Barret, and I guess Rude. But I just can't think of him as being black. x_X Nor have I thought of the Turks as "gangstas". o.o

Serria
07-21-2003, 08:46 AM
Rude? I never really considered him being black or white. I'm usually quite distracted by Reno, thank you ;) But does it really matter, one way or the other? Remember, the Planet (for lack of better name) isn't Earth. Like it, yeah, but it's different, too. I really don't think racism was ever such a big issue there, so you don't have as many stereotypes. Granted, it is only a video game and they can only tackle so many issues. But again, I don't think it matters much. If you want to cosplay Rude, do so and have fun!