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Cole
07-26-2003, 06:06 PM
The masquerade last year, pretty much sucked (even though I really don't have much to compare it too, it just didn't seem professional at all). But this year, according to a flyer I picked up earlier today, I read that it will be held in the John Bassett Theater and not in those three rooms minus the walls! Also there will be more seating and better lighting. Sorry if this is old news, but it's new to me ^_^

JustinCredible
07-27-2003, 10:56 PM
::pisst::: Thats been well documented::: :D Thats okay! Its such good news, it should be screamed from a large moutnain...

Ninja Sensei
07-28-2003, 09:22 AM
We're very excited about the JLT (1300 people!!!). It also actually has green room areas (which we're hoping we'll be able to use). Ans the director is familiar with it.

We also have a plethora of ninja staff this year. Hopefully we'll have a better sound system (or at least have someone prepared to work it other than at the last minute).

We're hoping that we can continue to support the masquerade at CNA more effectively every year and a big thank you goes to all of you who have put your costuming aside for one con to help run the show.

You're what makes the difference.:D

Kaijugal
07-28-2003, 01:22 PM
WOO HOOO! I second that!!

Gotta fight, for your right, to PARTYYYYY!!!!!

<<< INSERT HAPPY DANCE HERE>>>:cheers:

Vanity Fading
07-30-2003, 04:34 PM
ohh I got that flyer too! yes im happpyyy

panzzzzz
07-30-2003, 11:50 PM
let's just hope they don't do what they did last year.. where they made ppl that where only attending the MASQ pay for all three days!! O_O

JustinCredible
07-31-2003, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by panzzzzz
let's just hope they don't do what they did last year.. where they made ppl that where only attending the MASQ pay for all three days!! O_O

If you ONLY want to attend the masq then get a one day Sci-fi or comic pass for $20. But if you want to attend the Anime section stuff then you have to get the $40 pass. Sorry!

xiola
07-31-2003, 11:32 AM
or you could ask at registration about volunteering the other events to get a deal on your pass...

Kisa
07-31-2003, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by panzzzzz
let's just hope they don't do what they did last year.. where they made ppl that where only attending the MASQ pay for all three days!! O_O

Yeah. That was just Awful... The Wankers.
But at least we screwed them over for that when we could *cackle*
And I'd do it again! XD

Minakolabelle
07-31-2003, 04:16 PM
They weren't letting people in to teh masq last year who bought a one day pass....

Kaijugal
07-31-2003, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by Kisa
Yeah. That was just Awful... The Wankers.
But at least we screwed them over for that when we could *cackle*
And I'd do it again! XD

Who wasn't???
I know people who were there one day to the masquerade.

lainey
08-05-2003, 10:08 PM
i have a question though! for us cosplayers...can we watch the show afterwards?

i assume there is no reserved seating for us...so where can we sit?

JustinCredible
08-05-2003, 11:46 PM
Thats one thing I will miss... after being part of the audience for years, I'm going to miss all the great stuff before I get on stage and maybe a little after...

Hmm... I guess another email is in order!

Maki Yu.Ki.Ame
08-06-2003, 02:45 AM
lainey~ that is so true~ B4 we can sneak back in, but in a theatre now...probably can't right~?
but gosh~ boy am I happy to hear that!
I LOVE THAT STAGE~~
my blood is rising already!

*gosh, my costumes are not ready yet though!*

Sarcasm-hime
08-06-2003, 04:51 AM
I saw the CNAnime/SFX promo brochure thingy today, and they're advertising their masq as "The biggest and best in Canada"...*snort* Yeah, RIGHT.

Ninja Sensei
08-06-2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Sarcasm-hime
I saw the CNAnime/SFX promo brochure thingy today, and they're advertising their masq as "The biggest and best in Canada"...*snort* Yeah, RIGHT.

LOL! Be charitable!:cool:

Anybody can say anything they want. It's what you do with that info that matters. ;)

What makes a masquerade "the biggest and best" is all you cosplayers.

Don't let your feelings towards an organisation interfere with your fun in supporting your hobby.:D

Scoti
08-06-2003, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Ninja Sensei
LOL! Be charitable!:cool:

Anybody can say anything they want. It's what you do with that info that matters. ;)

What makes a masquerade "the biggest and best" is all you cosplayers.

Don't let your feelings towards an organisation interfere with your fun in supporting your hobby.:D

That's so true and that also applies to the rest of the con. I'm getting sick of people flaming about CN and personally I'm thankful that there are people who are willing to put time and effort into organizing a convention. There's a lot places that don't even get the chance (like from what I hear from online friends in Nova Scotia)

Kisa
08-06-2003, 01:09 PM
I'd be thankful if the people putting time and effort into the convention cared a whit about the fans.
And this is coming from Staff I talked to last year, Post Masq. and on Sunday.
I'm not going to be thankful for people trying to screw me out of money, when people who put on a much better show/con can do it while keeping costs lower and providing more entertaiment.
Some of us have serious issues and complaints.
It's not flaming.
Flaming is: "OMG! THEY"RE SO GAY AND I HATE THEM BECAUSE THEY HAD KIRK AND NOT SPOCK" or something equally stupid.

The fact that so many of us are annoyed with them should mean something, but it doesn't, and that's the problem. And we have no where else to discuss it, because of con-politics.

And there's the fact that half of the people planning to come are misinformed or have AN/TT expectations, and rather then get their hopes up, some of us want to give them a realistic portrayle of what to expect.

Kia
08-06-2003, 01:31 PM
Honestly, it's all what you make of it. CN was my first con, so yeah, things can only get better from there! ;) but besides that, I've had fun at *every* CN I've been to, actually any con for that matter, that I've been to w/ my friends. Yeah, there were some crummy times, and in the past few years I've sat through some pretty shitty anime that has been shown there (:: cough:: Z-mind ::cough:: ) but it has ALWAYS been the people who I have been with that have made the weekend turn out so awsome and left me with great memories as well. There IS a positive spin you can put on things, just as much as there is a negative.

JustinCredible
08-06-2003, 04:55 PM
DAMN RIGHT!!!!

::STANDS UP AND APPLAUDS::

As many as there are people who are annoyed about CN, there are just as much who enjoy and look forward to it each year. Those who have no problem with hobbystar and are thankful for the show that is put on. That doesn't mean problems don't happen... give input to fix the problem, even some person power (thankful many have taken this course as well) and make it what you feel its not.

You don't have to go, no one is twisting your arm... the stage is set to have fun or not... it depends on how you go about it!

lainey
08-06-2003, 05:52 PM
hey JustinCredible, did u e-mail them about it? Mind to post the answer once they respond?

And truly, CNA may not be the BEST, but listen, you can attend to LARGE anime cons in a year. CNA was the FIRST con I've been to, and I will still keep on going. AN may be better, but doesn't mean you have to go ahead and flame CNA.

And I hate to tell the naiive or ignorant...but companies DO need to make money.

Sarcasm-hime
08-06-2003, 05:53 PM
I wasn't flaming...just stating the facts that based on how CN's masquerade has been up to now, I don't think they can honestly call it 'the biggest and best in Canada'. That's all. I'm not saying they eat babies, I'm not saying they're evil, just that I think there are better-run and bigger masquerades out there, and they're purposely misleading people in their advertisements.

lainey
08-06-2003, 05:54 PM
yeah Maki Yu.Ki.Ame i know what u mean O_o

Ooo are you making new costumes for CNA? LoL I'm not finished my costumes either! Eeeeeeeeeee!

Maki Yu.Ki.Ame
08-06-2003, 07:58 PM
heehe, you can just call me Maki. I only put yukiame on because someone had used my name as login already so I can't use that one...|||

Yes I am making it now, i am soooo behind~
helP!

CN was my first con too!

sarcasm hime: I know what you mean. I saw a couple commercials and stuff b4 and it always make me wonder how can they say that they are the biggest con~ I mean just the size I think AN is almost there or passed them, and the masq, AN has WAY more entries...I always wonder if they will get in trouble one day....the words they use is just misleading

nyamiko_chan
08-06-2003, 08:25 PM
oh GAWD.. 0.0 *blank stare* 1300 people...me..on stage..*falls over*

ohh...this is gonna be SO MUCH FUNNNN!!! yes..U_U it's my first Masq ^___^\\//

oh...;-; i hope we can get in after our skits..i wouldn't want to miss the others :mad:

lainey
08-06-2003, 09:40 PM
yeah..they should reserve a seating area for cosplayers O_o

nuriko001
08-07-2003, 04:25 AM
yeah, they should.. and give cosplayers a discount on the masquerade tape.. tha's what i propose

xiola
08-07-2003, 10:44 AM
... yo, as far as i know the masquerade tape is done COMPLETELY independantly from the event organizers, and the guy who does the masquerade tapes does it just because he's nice. he wastes most of the con having to staff his table by the masquerade desk. the same guy does it for all 3 cons here in TO (ANorth, Toronto Trek and SFX/CNA), and he tapes them all on his own time, and probably does not make alot off the 10-15$ he charges for copies.

it's not a bad deal, seeing as the venue doesn't make official tapes for us. and knowing hobbystar, if they did, they would probably charge 20$ each and take over 6 months to send it to us. -_-;;

so um... yeah. no complaining about the videos. :P

Kia
08-07-2003, 10:50 AM
It's Hobbystar though.... I don't think they understand the meaning of discounts... but one can hope, can't they? ^_^

Sarcasm-hime- I agree w/ you on that matter though. I'm not sure where they go this whole "bigger and better" idea from, but I guess they've just decided that they do b/c there arn't that many masq's in Canada that they have to compete w/.
Now, if they were to say that it was the best masq in *North America* well they we ALL would know they they were *really* talking out of their ass. ^_^
Well just have to wait and see how this years masq goes. Cross your fingers!^_^

Maki Yu.Ki.Ame
08-07-2003, 03:43 PM
think more about it, i think it is possible that we can sneak back in or sth
coz heard from someone that it is enough seats for 1300ppl (I am not sure, but i think I heard it somewhere, dunno if it is true)? i don't think last yr's masq had that much ppl in it right?

lainey
08-07-2003, 08:58 PM
yup, 1300 is correct.
Says in the flyer too O_o

1350 to be more exact

Kisa
08-08-2003, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Kia
I I'm not sure where they go this whole "bigger and better" idea from, but I guess they've just decided that they do b/c there arn't that many masq's in Canada that they have to compete w/.


I would suspect it's to compete w/ other cons such as TT and AN, especially since they seem to have this rivalry thing going.
All my opinion of course, but... considering what some of the Staff told me last year, I don't think I'm too far off.

Kia
08-09-2003, 05:47 AM
Hobbystar is a for-profit company though, so they can afford to advertise in ways that would be a little too outlandish for either TT or AN. Dude, both of the other major T.O. con's would have even "Bigger and Better" masquerades if they could afford to rent out that auditorium as well. Stupid companies flashing around their expense account...
... not that I *mind* having a great theater for the CN masq! ^_^

JustinCredible
08-09-2003, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by lainey
hey JustinCredible, did u e-mail them about it? Mind to post the answer once they respond?

Dear Hobbystar,
I am emailing on behalf of interested parties who plan to be in the
masquerade at your event. The question that continues to come up is
'will the cosplayers be able to watch the show after they have
performed? More specifically, will there be any space provided in the
theatre so that entrees can either stand or sit and watch the remainder
of the masquerade?
Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this email and to
ensure that this year is the best yet.

REPLY
Sure, that won't be a problem with the big theatre. Thanks.

xiola
08-09-2003, 12:46 PM
the reason *i* resent them advertising themselves as the bigest best masq, is that basically, all they are doing is saying "here, here's a theatre for you, stop complaining" and then relying on volunteers to do EVERYTHING in the ENTIRE masq and THEY get to look good, when they don't care about us at all. they're obviously getting the better deal here.

it just kind of makes you want to be bitter about it, that's all. obviously, i'm doing it for the cosplay community, but the way they're using it for advertising makes me resent that by helping out i'm just giving them more advertising collateral without them having to do anything much on their parts at all. given that they HAVE all this money, to rent out the theatre, you'd think they could give us money to hire one or two tech guys. or rent some useful stuff. bleah.

Kia
08-09-2003, 01:15 PM
Naw, that would mean they would have to start spending *more* money on us, which of course is something they *really* don't like to do. The less the better, although they seem to be willing to give us the bare minimum just to have us shut up for a little while. The more money they spend on us the less they have for their summer homes in Florida and their trips to Cuba during the winter. ^_^

Kaijugal
08-09-2003, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Sarcasm-hime
I wasn't flaming...just stating the facts that based on how CN's masquerade has been up to now, I don't think they can honestly call it 'the biggest and best in Canada'. That's all. I'm not saying they eat babies, I'm not saying they're evil, just that I think there are better-run and bigger masquerades out there, and they're purposely misleading people in their advertisements.

I'll take better over bigger any day. That means better for the contestants, audience and staff. I can honestly say from experience that a "bigger" masquerade isn't always a better masquerade.

That being said, let's hope that the new location is a sign of better things to come. :)

lainey
08-09-2003, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by JustinCredible
Dear Hobbystar,
I am emailing on behalf of interested parties who plan to be in the
masquerade at your event. The question that continues to come up is
'will the cosplayers be able to watch the show after they have
performed? More specifically, will there be any space provided in the
theatre so that entrees can either stand or sit and watch the remainder
of the masquerade?
Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this email and to
ensure that this year is the best yet.

REPLY
Sure, that won't be a problem with the big theatre. Thanks.

Thanks for posting that!
So we have reserved seating?

xiola
08-09-2003, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by lainey
Thanks for posting that!
So we have reserved seating?

i seriously doubt that's what this means.

what i would assume that means, in corporate bastard speak, is that "with a theatre this big, we're sure there'll be extra space at the back if you want to get back in, so we're not going to do anything special about it." which is all we're gonna get, i'm sure.

note that they did not even have reserved seating for the people who paid for the super-expensive gold-price tickets as opposed to the regular-level tickets for the industry guests (Brent Spiner) last year either, so seeing as we are not even a paid event, dont' expect them to be doing anything like this for us.

JustinCredible
08-09-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by xiola
i seriously doubt that's what this means.

what i would assume that means, in corporate bastard speak, is that "with a theatre this big, we're sure there'll be extra space at the back if you want to get back in, so we're not going to do anything special about it." which is all we're gonna get, i'm sure.

note that they did not even have reserved seating for the people who paid for the super-expensive gold-price tickets as opposed to the regular-level tickets for the industry guests (Brent Spiner) last year either, so seeing as we are not even a paid event, dont' expect them to be doing anything like this for us.

Well I never expected 'reserved seating'. I asked them if there would be 'space provided in the theatre so that entrees can either stand or sit and watch the remainder of the masquerade?'. Not once did resereved or upfront seating appear in my message and quite frankly I don't think that would be fair. Let those who stand in line to watch the masq, get the seats they want... and whenever we finish, we sit where we can get a seat. Plain and simple.

note: they did have reserved seating for people who paid for the gold level Sunnydale Central tickets last year.

lainey
08-09-2003, 08:07 PM
they SHOULD still reserve an area for us...
not at the front..or a good spot..but SOMEWHERE so that we can actually watch the masquerade

xiola
08-09-2003, 08:27 PM
that's beside the point. who ever gave you the idea that CNA actually CARED about us? O_o

well they don't, and they have the money so they can do what they want. that's how things work, and that's why the world sucks.

yeah ok, i'm bitter :P but at a REAL masquerade you wouldn't have to worry about this sort of thing to *begin* with because you'd have a good video feed in the green room. you know, like at anime north but one you could actually see and hear. lol. but thankfully i don't need the extra seats anyway, i'll be volunteering :P


but that's why you buy a video from the video guy. ^_~

Maki Yu.Ki.Ame
08-10-2003, 03:03 AM
thanks JustinCredible for taking the time to email them! I guess we have the right to SNEAK in then! LOL!
maybe the "reserved area" is upstairs~ since I doubt there would be 1300ppl watching the masq~ |||

Maki

lainey
08-10-2003, 10:37 AM
true!

i'm just worried, since I have non-cosplaying friends going with me.
Maybe they can reserve seats for us so we can join them after being on stage O_o

JustinCredible
08-10-2003, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by xiola
that's beside the point. who ever gave you the idea that CNA actually CARED about us? O_o

In my experiences I've been treated like a valuable costumer... I have been given no reason to think they didn't care!

but at a REAL masquerade you wouldn't have to worry about this sort of thing to *begin* with because you'd have a good video feed in the green room. you know, like at anime north but one you could actually see and hear. lol.

I never knew what made a REAL masquerade was a good video feed and a green room.

Kia
08-10-2003, 12:46 PM
Please remember that this masquerade is in a *theater*, which means that the layout is quite different from either that of Anime North or the past years at CN. In the past the masq rooms have been flat w/ a stage at the front. At CN if there was someone tall in front of you then you were screwed, the stage was so low that you'd never see anything. At AN it was a little easier to see b/c the stage was so much higher, but the distance between you and the stage could be very far.

Here's the difference w/ a theater: No matter where you sit, you can see the stage. Think of a movie theater. With the raised seating there is a lot less distance between yourself and the stage. No matter where you sit (except for the first few rows b/c you have to look up all the time) you will have a good view of the whole stage, especially in the back. Yeah, the detail might be a bit off b/c of distance, but you shouldn't have to worry about having someone completely blocking your sight in front if you. All you have to worry about is sound quality, but most theaters have the advantage of good or decent accustics, so sound from the stage will travel quite far.

Sorry that this turned into a rant, but I've been involved in theater for the past 4 years, and trust me when I say that this change of locations is a *really* good thing. ^_^
Oh yeah, and if the masq cosplayers had reserved seating in the front row, there would be SOOOOOOO much bintching and complaning after the con. Trust me, you DON'T want to sit in the front row!

archangeli
08-10-2003, 02:39 PM
woot. right on Kia!

JustinCredible
08-10-2003, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Kia
I say that this change of locations is a *really* good thing. ^_^

What you should of said was:

This change of location isn't a bad thing... its a good thing. ^_^

heki-chan
08-10-2003, 05:01 PM
......whats DDP?? O_o;
isnt what kia said and what you said the same jist? *lost*

in anycase, like xiola said, its not likely that we're getting any "front row" seating (or any good reserved seating), usually, after we leave the stage we either just get to STAND in the back if we're lucky.
so we usually dont bother and just go get some food ^_^;

but ya, this new theatre location sounds really cool :)

as for non-cosplaying friends reserving seats for you--im pretty sure the other con-goers will be upset^_^;;; since there is always an overflow (esp for "good" seats). Its probably not a good idea and im sure security volunteers would agree :)

sorta-off-topic--TT's live feedback owned *_* so good and clear...wow.... *_* i luved it! LOL^_^

Kia
08-10-2003, 05:12 PM
Heki-chan, DDP is a wrestler names Diamond Dallas Page, and his catch phrase for awhile was "It's a good thing!" ... but it's really besides the point. ^_^

and yeah, if you tried to walk in during the middle of the show and sit in the middle of the theater, you'd get your ass kicked by the angry people around you... or something to that nature. ^_^

Like I said before, you don't want to sit in the front row! the seating is REALLY bad in the front two rows of most theaters. Sit about 4 rows up and you've got the best seats in the house. ^_^
If you wander into the back you'll still be able to see. You're seats, if you have them, will still be great. ^_^

and J, if it makes you happy, it's a good thing! ^_^

JustinCredible
08-10-2003, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by heki-chan
......whats DDP?? O_o;

He's DDP!http://members.rogers.com/hrobin1052/Hosted_images/newddp.jpg

lainey
08-10-2003, 07:02 PM
lol guess i won' t be sitting with the non-cosplaying friends LoL

Ninja Sensei
08-11-2003, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by xiola
the reason *i* resent them advertising themselves as the bigest best masq, is that basically, all they are doing is saying "here, here's a theatre for you, stop complaining" and then relying on volunteers to do EVERYTHING in the ENTIRE masq and THEY get to look good, when they don't care about us at all. they're obviously getting the better deal here.

Actually Xiola, I like to think that the people who come out looking good are the costumers.;)

You guys can always use anotehr venue for your talents!

Ninja Sensei
08-11-2003, 11:17 PM
I can't say for sure how it's going to work, but what usually happens when competitors re-enter the room for seating is that they sit at the back or on one side.

You can sit with your friends as long as they don't mind waiting for you in that area and it's clear that they are sitting in an area reserved for competitors only ... i.e. "pull strings"

The prime reason that competitors who re-enter the room do NOT get seated up front is that there would be a constant flow of people moving in front of others in the audience. It's distratcing to both the audience, and the rest of your fellow competitors.

I will talk to the head ninja and the director when we get on the ground and we will try to set and area aside for all of you who are competing. We will make sure that you know where it is (because it's usually explained in the traffic plan).:D

I hope this helps ... but if you have any questions, don't be afraid to ask!