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Scortia
08-06-2003, 10:13 PM
Okay, after buying a couple of volumes, I had to know what was going on and I read volumes 1-20 scanlated within one week... my eyes are about to bleed. >_<;; But, I want to talk about it and read other people's thoughts.

Fave characters: Okay, I don't dislike any character except God... which is amazing since everyone is so flawed... maybe that's the reason. ^^;; But, anyway, they're Zaphkiel, Uriel, Jibrelle (going by her description though), Rosiel, Katan, Asmodeus, Kira (duh), Belial, Adam Kadamon, Astaroth ...okay... I like almost everyone. >_<

My favorite... the most tear-jerking part was Zaphkiel's death... ;_; It's funny, I didn't realize Raziel would be his son. With my sad yaoi self, I assumed he realized Raziel was blonde and blue-eyed and took him in as a replacement for Anael. ^^;; But, that was so lovely. ;_;

Biggest irk: Raphael loving Sara. Argh, that was just wrong... I can understand her inspiring new thoughts in him, but his obsession went too far... I was SO glad that he realized that he was in love with Barbiel... thank God. >_<

Okay... I really loved everything until around volume 17 or 18... erm... the story went over the deep end, IMHO, even for something as over-the-top as AS. To me, the story just sort of went too extreme, threw too much info out, too many conflicts and such. The pace was just too rushed for all the new information and flashbacks to absorb... sort of like it was all just spilled out with little to no explanation. I just started to go "huh" too often... I wanted to know more about how everyone would turn out, but oh well... it wasn't a bad ending either. ^^ The Kira thing was sweet.

Yuki-sensei is so cute... I love her free speeches.

I loved the Kurai and Belial relationship... Mad Hatter even was willing to kill Kurai once, but they both share a bond of unfulfilled love and their chemistry together was wonderful.

I wanted the demons to have some interaction with Lucifer! >_< Poor Belial. ^^;;

Okay, here's some stuff that I was puzzling about:
1. is there a double standard on angels mating?.. the lower angels have disfigured kids and they all get killed off. Then we have Belial and Raphael having well-known nightly sex-romps and they get away with them... is it because Belial wasn't totally woman and couldn't be impregnated and that Raphael's healing abilities may give him the ability to remove the chance of conception? I just can't imagine that there are condoms in heaven since sex is looked down upon. :P

2. Okay, the wars... was the first one, Lucifer's rebellion and then the second one... did it start just because Lucifer returned again, because he freed Alexial, or did it start because she rebelled?

3. Apparently even though Setsuna is still human for the most part, he has lost any need to eat, use the bathroom, or sleep (unless knocked out) :P

4. Okay, Sara returns to her body... but then I read something later where it was a surprise that Jibrelle didn't wake up in Sara's body... if Sara died, wouldn't Jibrelle return to her own body? O.o

5. Just who in hell created the demons? There's mention of God creating man, and Adam Kadamon is producing the angels... so where is Kurai's group being born from? Their dragon gods (who we never actually see)? Wouldn't there be a multi-God conflict here? ^^;;

6. When did Uriel manage to fall in love with Alexial if she was always in Eden until her escape ?

Aw hell, that's more than enough, even though my questions would be endless. ;P I'm now puzzled over who to cosplay. It's mostly between Belial, Uriel, Astaroth (male), and Zaphkiel in his SEXY outfit. ^.^ Belial is so overdone (but I can pull off her breastlessness and slender height), Uriel is a giant... I don't feel worthy, male Astaroth would be barely recognizeable, and Zaphkiel, when he is in his sexy outfit (even though I'd probably cover myself in blood to add to the piece) looks like another Lucifer. ^^;; Then there are also the millions of cute Rosiel costumes as well. ^^;;

Kaede
08-06-2003, 11:01 PM
I read a really great translated, not scanlated version...which is REALLY tough and annoying. I guess most of the question arise from the fact that the whole story of the wars and rebellion and resurection is told through flashbacks, pictures, thoughts --whatever. Kaori's story is so dense that even after reading all of the volumes I had to go on all the AS sites (which told me so much I'd missed/looked over). Hah and yeah...go to the bathroom Setsuna.
Cosplay Zaphkun!! I'm biased though...I'm a Raziel cosplayer ^_-

wyntersbane
08-07-2003, 01:26 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scortia


2. Okay, the wars... was the first one, Lucifer's rebellion and then the second one... did it start just because Lucifer returned again, because he freed Alexial, or did it start because she rebelled?

Yep, the first one was Lucifer's rebellion and then the second one was when Lucifer tried to free Alexial.

4. Okay, Sara returns to her body... but then I read something later where it was a surprise that Jibrelle didn't wake up in Sara's body... if Sara died, wouldn't Jibrelle return to her own body? O.o

I'm a little confused on this one too. What I think is that Jibrelle is acting a little like Alexial. She's choosing to let Sarah live her own life and stay in the background. That's why when Sarah "died" and returned to Jibrelle's body it was still Sarah's mind and personality and Jibrelle just peeked out occasionaly.


5. Just who in hell created the demons? There's mention of God creating man, and Adam Kadamon is producing the angels... so where is Kurai's group being born from? Their dragon gods (who we never actually see)? Wouldn't there be a multi-God conflict here? ^^;;

When Lucifer fell he took a bunch of angels with him. Like Beliel and the other Satans. I'm guessing that's where most of the demons came from. They're also having sex and having children, unlike the angels.
I think Kurai's group, the Evils, are a mix between humans and demons. But don't quote me on that.^^;

Sorry I couldn't answer more questions.

Lyn
08-07-2003, 08:04 AM
1. The law of any angels having sex seems to apply to all however some of the higher ranking angels seem to get away with it easier. Plus, we don't know if the angels Raphael has sex with get pregnant or not. I never considered his healing power coming into play there before.

2. Yeah as wyntersbane already answered. The first rebellion was Lucifer's fall from Heaven and the 2nd was when he came up from Hell with all his demon powers to free Alexiel and is captured and then Alexiel continues the battle when she steals the Nanatsusaya.

3. LOL Well, then again, have you ever seen ANY manga/anime character mention going to the bathroom? And then, ok, this might sound silly, but do remember that Adam Kadamon stopped time in Assiah, which would give reason to why even during all this time, Setsuna and Sara don't gain a year of age and could also be why they don't have the usual requirements but that's a little out-there I guess. ^^;;

4. From my understanding (and I read the manga through translations before they ever scanlated it) Sara and Jibrielle are the SAME person. Jibrielle was imprisoned in her own body by Sevortharte but her soul left the body at some point and became Sara down in Assiah. I forgot if they explained how or not, just remember it being stated that that is what happened. So, Jibrielle became Sara and because she was born as a human, that's why her personality became different. But there was no indication anywhere in the manga that Jibrielle existed during the time Sara did. So, I come to the conclusion they are one in the same.

5. Wyntersbane answered this one quite nicely. ^^

6. Hmm....that is a good question. Though I have it to believe that all the angels knew about Alexiel's existance even though she was in the Garden. After all, when Lucifiel came to the garden basically with the intention of raping her, he said that he wanted to do it as a stand against God since he had the impression Alexiel was precious to God. And a lot of the angels seem to think that Alexiel is being protected by being there, not knowing that she is really there in torment. I think Uriel might have fallen in love with her image even though he probably never came face to face with her before the trial. Or heck, maybe he feel for her during her rebellion since I don't think that happened in a day.

Even though the storyline could get confusing at times, I really loved it from begining to end personally. ^^;

Hmm...you're going to Numa right? You should do some AS cosplay there! My friend and I (well, if I CAN go) are going to be cosplaying Michael and Lucifer there if all things go are way. ^_^

Scortia
08-07-2003, 09:27 AM
Blah, I always call the Evils Demons on accident. >_< Yeah, Kurai's group. ^.^

Kaede: I want a picture... I seriously considered Raziel, but there's the matter of height, the fact that I want to magically run into a Raziel at a con and go nuts, and I'm doing a costume of Schrodinger of Hellsing, and it's a mililtary costume with shorts too... I want piccies of your costume! *_* I've never seen Raziel done before.

Good explanations on the bathroom stuff. ^.^ I was just joking... it just seemed amusing how they can keep going... but remember, even though time has stopped, time somehow manages to heal their wounds as well. :P

Lyn: There's always the chance for Numa... there's a group of Elementals going too... I think they have a Belial in addition. I have to be willing to buy, wear, and sew all that vinyl though if I went as Zaphkiel. >_< Maybe if I find time and similar clothes I'll add a Belial costume to my list... she'd be rather simple to ghetto cosplay with just some alterations. ^^ I'll look forward to your Michael and Lucifer antics. ^.^

cutekawaii
08-11-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Scortia
I read volumes 1-20 scanlated within one week... my eyes are about to bleed. >_<;; Good God o_O;;

Originally posted by Scortia
Fave characters: Okay, I don't dislike any character except God... Haha, I love how all the "good" characters are assholes :p I hate hate haaaate Sevi/Layla. Haaaaaaate.

Waa you didn't mention Raphael-sama ^o^ I <3 him ^.^

As for Raph and his affairs, I think they are rather hush hush. It seems like Michael is the only one that knows about them (and always seems to walk in on them XD).

Check da icon: http://userpic.livejournal.com/6427406/413069 LOL

Originally posted by Scortia
My favorite... the most tear-jerking part was Zaphkiel's death... ;_; Oh yes ;-; I shed a tear. I was suprised that Raziel was his son as well :o I found it most sad that Zaphkiel could never actually see his son's face *cries* But man did he look good all strung up for the wing drop >D

I am a horrible person.

Originally posted by Scortia
Biggest irk: Raphael loving Sara. Argh, that was just wrong... Yeah seriously >_> I hated seeing my playboy hunny degenerating into this pile of jell-o over Sara. Bah! I don't even want him in love with Barbiel!!! Though I saw THAT coming from 349823 miles away >_>

Originally posted by Scortia
Okay... I really loved everything until around volume 17 or 18... erm... the story went over the deep end, IMHO, even for something as over-the-top as AS. I think it was all wacky at the end because Kaori Yuki just wanted to get the story finished. She was hoping to get it done by July 99 (98?), but by then it was only to volume 12 or so, heh. So, I guess she just didn't want to drag it out any longer.

Originally posted by Scortia
I wanted the demons to have some interaction with Lucifer! >_< Hell *I* wanted to have some interaction with Lucifer >____>

Originally posted by Scortia
Then we have Belial and Raphael having well-known nightly sex-romps and they get away with them... Pffft! The reason Belial was cast to hell in the first place was because s/he was such a ho!! (most properly wearing a garter belt and hat, of course).

Originally posted by Scortia
I'm now puzzled over who to cosplay. I think you'd make a good Katou ^^;; You have his look/expression, lol

Originally posted by Scortia
Uriel is a giant... I don't feel worthy Guh, I feel ya ~_~ Uriel is my fave char next to Raphael, but I'm just too short to cosplay either!! Ok, maybe with some heels I could be Raph, but I look terrible as a blonde.. and Uriel is just TOO TALL!!! I hate being so short! *weeps silently*

Originally posted by Scortia
male Astaroth would be barely recognizeable Well not really. If you have the snake adn his face markings people could spot you. Having a pregnant Astarte in tow will help out too XD

Originally posted by Scortia
and Zaphkiel, when he is in his sexy outfit (even though I'd probably cover myself in blood to add to the piece) looks like another Lucifer. ^^;; Nah. Zaph's hair is much longer, and if you had white wings and chains it would be more Zaphish.

Scortia
08-11-2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by cutekawaii
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Waa you didn't mention Raphael-sama ^o^ I <3 him ^.^

I really liked him until the Sara bit... sort of like Hotohori and Miaka... Hotohori would have been so much better if he wasn't hung up on her... but then, I blame his parents for that... giving him all these prophecies of him dedicating his life to her and then dying off and leaving him with nothing but that stupid dream. >_< Cute Icon... mwahahaha...


Oh yes ;-; I shed a tear. I was suprised that Raziel was his son as well :o I found it most sad that Zaphkiel could never actually see his son's face *cries* But man did he look good all strung up for the wing drop >D

I am a horrible person.

You aren't alone. ^.^ I was happy to see that he could still look sexy... that priest outfit is so nasty... unless he had an "all-knowing" faceshot, he never got to pose sexy. ;_;


Pffft! The reason Belial was cast to hell in the first place was because s/he was such a ho!! (most properly wearing a garter belt and hat, of course).

I think that was a major part of it... but the whole thing with worshiping her Lucifer-sama is probably what inevitably got her sent out. :P She's got some class... I bet those man-whore angels were glad to have her up there as long as possible. Hehehe, they must have been desperate to want a woman with no breasts. ^^;;

I think you'd make a good Katou ^^;; You have his look/expression, lol

Well not really. If you have the snake adn his face markings people could spot you. Having a pregnant Astarte in tow will help out too XD

Nah. Zaph's hair is much longer, and if you had white wings and chains it would be more Zaphish.

I've considered Katou, but he and his clothes is so boring. ^^;; School boy Katou would be cute... but I'm already doing a "little boy military" outfit for another costume... besides I'm too tall to play a little kid. ^^;; (A main reason why I wouldn't be Kurei... but then, her bride outfit in that one frame when Belial is describing her is so HOT!) For Uriel, I could probably fake the height, but not that stature. I was thinking of doing Zaphkiel's outfit back when he was an asshole... his hair was short like Lucifer's then... my main reason, aside from the cool outfit, is because I am so freaking tired of spending so much on long wigs for them to get tangled to death! ;_; As for Astarte, eww.. creepy... I don't want a pregnant sister following me around. ;P

By the way, I worshipped your Alexiel costume at A-kon... kick ass job!

cutekawaii
08-12-2003, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by Scortia
I really liked him until the Sara bit... sort of like Hotohori and Miaka... Hotohori would have been so much better if he wasn't hung up on her... Aw but I like how he is all in lurv with her! I always thought he was better for her than Tamahome. Besides, it's not like he fell for her like Raph fell for Sara, he was always in love with her.

Originally posted by Scortia
unless he had an "all-knowing" faceshot, he never got to pose sexy. ;_; *nods* His perpetual expression at the beginning: n_n

Not sexy.

Originally posted by Scortia
I've considered Katou, but he and his clothes is so boring. Yeah =/ fu~ Seems like a lot of the chars have rather boring clothes some of the time. But that's ok, because I'm going to make every Alexiel costume ever, and a lot of them are very comfortable ^_^

Maybe if you did your make up so it looked like you were changing the shape of your face or something? (You know, what Uriel did..) Just throwing things out here, lol.

If you really wanna cos someone, don't worry too much about your stature, ne. Like, I am the antithesis of Sephiroth, but I made his costume anyway ^_^ I might make Uriel's costume at the end (with scyth!!) just for the hell of it...maybe call myself Mizerable era Gackt since I'm closer to his height lol.

Originally posted by Scortia
As for Astarte, eww.. creepy... I don't want a pregnant sister following me around. ;P Ahh but you can change all that and make her unpregnant lol... ewwwwwww. *hates that scene*

Originally posted by Scortia
By the way, I worshipped your Alexiel costume at A-kon... kick ass job! Oh sankyu ^.^ *is proud*

Scortia
08-12-2003, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by cutekawaii

Yeah =/ fu~ Seems like a lot of the chars have rather boring clothes some of the time. But that's ok, because I'm going to make every Alexiel costume ever, and a lot of them are very comfortable ^_^

If you really wanna cos someone, don't worry too much about your stature, ne. Like, I am the antithesis of Sephiroth, but I made his costume anyway ^_^ I might make Uriel's costume at the end (with scyth!!) just for the hell of it...maybe call myself Mizerable era Gackt since I'm closer to his height lol.


LMAO over the Mizerable Gackt. You will probably get that sort of reaction. Especially if you have the dark wings. :P Stature does bother me a bit... I'm cosplaying a guy who is 6 feet and broad shouldered soon and I feel so out of proportion. ~_~ Alexiel had one casual outfit I really liked when Setsuna was in her body... can't remember which one. Yeah, she's the only angel who knows how to wear fabric that doesn't cling to the body. O.o Comfort. ;P