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Kendo_Bunny
10-02-2002, 11:44 PM
Well, my sister is new to anime fandom, but she absolutely loves rave music. When I told her about J-rock raves, she positively couldn't wait to go to one. But the thing I need help with is she wants a really good J-rocker costume... and I'm not good with remembering J-rock costumes ^^;; I'd like to have some suggestions to pass along to her... for a description, she's tall and thin with blond and pink hair. I don't think she particularly cares who she goes as, as long as her costume looks good.
Can anyone help me with this, or should i just stop now?

Koumori
10-04-2002, 05:07 PM
If she doesn't know anything about J-rock or care what she wears, then you might as well just pick something you want to make anyway. You might start by just searching the net for general j-rock sites (Japanese Channel has a lot of pictures) and find something you like. You could also try searching different groups/musicians to find pictures; some of the most popular bands/cosplays are Malice Mizer and Dir en Grey. But really... if "some kind of j-rocker" is ALL you have to go on, why not just design something unique? Or why have her go as a j-rocker at all, if she'd be just fine with wearing anything? Just doll her up and turn her loose.

Kendo_Bunny
10-06-2002, 09:57 PM
All right... Sorry, I'm still kind of new at this. Thanks for the help ^_^

lemoned
10-09-2002, 06:28 PM
er.... she might not want to cosplay if she doesn't know anything about it. People who cosplay without know anything about who they cosplay are f*cked up.

Kendo_Bunny
10-09-2002, 06:40 PM
Well, we've decided to go with the doll her up option. I'm still a pretty new fan to J-rock, and she's brand new, so I was hoping working on a costume could help us learn some more about it ^^;

lemoned
10-11-2002, 03:52 PM
yes... well, my point was that cosplayers who don't know anything about the band they're cosplaying are REALLY looked down upon.

untill you get situated in the jrock scene, you might just want to wear some random lolita dresses or something of your own creation that looks like jrock.

plastiknife
10-11-2002, 06:13 PM
I'm confused... I've never heard of a j-rock rave. I go raving all the time (ah yes, it's out. i'm a silly little raver) but never have I head of a j-rock rave. I'd assume since it's JROCK that it wouldn't be techno they are playing? could you clear this up?

Kendo_Bunny
10-11-2002, 10:15 PM
Well, the one I went to they had rave re-mixes of J-rock songs... and I was asking now because the next local one is in about ten months, so we'd have plenty of time to learn about the band. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, since she's got some pretty cool stuff anyway.

Mei Lan Chang
10-12-2002, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by lemoned
yes... well, my point was that cosplayers who don't know anything about the band they're cosplaying are REALLY looked down upon.


This may be true, but I try to be more welcoming. I really got the cold shoulder by a lot of cosplayers when I was first wandering into it a few years back and I know it really made me feel bad about myself. I too, think it's a little silly to grasp at the surface of cosplay by just picking out a picture of some random J-Rocker or anime character and doing a costume of them knowing nothing about them, but still...

Perhaps you should download your sister some j-rock music and let her see if she likes it, then show her some Mana costumes and such. J-Rock is becomming quite the popular thang these days so finding some cosplay pics will not be hard.

Nabeshin
10-16-2002, 07:56 PM
Well if you have plenty of time to find out what she could be into..then do some research! :)
my webpage has a little JRock for newbies section..check out the link on the banner below...it has short mp3 clips of some Jrock tunes for sampling..and some basic general info. (yes that's an absolutely shameless plug...but i put it up there so more people could get into JRock ^^ )


....speaking of which I need to update that page some... *fires up photoshop*

die-sama
10-16-2002, 09:13 PM
Hmmm well,, see i was guilty of doing a Jrock costume i had NO idea about..well i acutalyl KNEW the band..just never listened to music..ppl needed me for the cosplay *Cough Yura cough* anyways
I DL music...got into the band..hey ^^ i acutally like them
but my other Jrock cosplays are all from bands i LIKE ^^
heh
but the thing is
jrock cosplayers as well as other cosplayers are welcomed
but...the thing is....jrock is the SAME as anime ^^:;;
i'm not tryin to be "mean" but....a lot of ppl...put on a tie..some whit makeup "hey i'm a jrock cosplayer" er...no ur not ^^;
So dollign ur sister up would be cute ^_^ but...i dunno if its called Cosplay? unless u literally translate it into.."Csotume play" but i duno..makes me thinkits just..dress up
but heck dressing up aint bad
Does ur sister like Lolita style? ^^
If she does..maybe something from the Lolita bible would be cute. etc

who knows..maybe u'll get hooked on aj rock band and u'll know EVERYTHING about them *giggles* then hey! go ahead and show ur fandom! *cosplay them ^_^

ja~

Kendo_Bunny
11-02-2002, 12:08 PM
Thanks for the responses. As far as I've seen, she doesn't quite get what Goth Lolita is, but for her dark elf character, she inadvertently has some bits and pieces. (She plays a cute, innocent little girl dark elf ^^; ) But once I get paid I'm planning on buying a Lolita bible and illustrating it to her.

*goes to investigate Nabeshin's website*

soshi
11-04-2002, 01:04 PM
um, no, Jrock is not the same as anime.

anime is animated stories with imaginary character. jrock is real people putting on real clothes and making music. anime cosplay and jrock cosplay is very different, because with anime (and game, manga, ect), you are free to interperet the costume - ie, the fabric, exact shades, materials, ect. with jrock, you don't have that freedom, because you are mimicing a REAL outfit, so you can see the EXACT fabric, materials, colors, ect.

if you want to cosplay "jrock", but don't know much about it, and are unsure, just throw together an outfit *inspired* by visual kei.

most people who are not familiar with jrock do not know the different between visual kei and jrock. I will now tell you. =D

jrock is a term for any and all jrock music made by Japanese people in Japan.

visual kei is a term for the bands that dress up in elaborate, sometimes 'gothic' costumes. visual kei is almost always what you see being cosplayed (some people do mimic normal shirts-and-pants outfits of non-visual kei jrockers). visual kei is NOT another name for jrock. it is just a SECT of jrock, like shoujo is a sect of anime. visual kei is also a fashion style in Japan that is inspired by the rock bands, but not everyone who dresses like that is into visual kei bands, or rock music at all.

the reason why a lot of jrock cosplayers are edgy about people cosplaying jrock when they don't know anything about it is because to cosplay a musician without knowing who they are, hearing their music, and LIKING their music, is very, VERY insulting to the musicians.

say you cosplay Mana, because his outfits are cute and he's pretty darn spiffy, but you've never heard any music by Malice Mizer or MdM, and other jrock cosplayers try to talk to you about it at a con, because it's always nice to meet someone else that likes jrock. saying "Oh, I just cosplayed him because he's pretty, I've never actually heard the music" to a Mana fan is like saying "Oh, I just cosplayed Utena because she's popular. I've never actually seen the series" to an Utena fan. I mean, it just sucks! it's insultive to the band, the series, and the fans.

I've actually had people in Dir en grey costumes say to me "I really don't like their music at all, it's really scary, but Kaoru is so cute!!!" WHAT THE HECK? that is SO rude! >_< and I hate seeing that with anything. you should cosplay someone you like, not someone you think is cool.

so please, if you want to cosplay jrock, research the band, and LIKE the band. if you don't like the music, move on to a new band. it's the same with anime, video games, and anything else. if you don't like it, don't cosplay it! it's really rude to the real fans.

or, if you just HAVE to have a jrock-ish costume, just say it's visual kei inspired. *shrug*

anyway... rant over. ^_^;;

soshi
11-04-2002, 01:06 PM
on another note, I don't dislike people who get interesting in jrock simply by seeing other cosplayers and think it's neat - I really want to see more jrock fans at anime cons (that's why I go do panels and stuff - if I didn't want to spread knowledge and fandom I'd hide in my room and never go outside, and never talk with people who don't like/know of jrock). it's just that I want people to understand how rude it is to the bands themselves to cosplay them without ever hearing (and liking) their music.

lemoned
11-04-2002, 04:37 PM
preach on, sista. :x

die-sama
11-04-2002, 10:29 PM
Hmmm well I suppose I made the mistake of saying Jrock is just like Anime in the sense that i was misunderstood.
Though the rant was somewhat...a rant that I could see coming from most jrock fans (even myself)
Maybe I should clearify myself upon what i said about my comment ^^

Jrock is the same as Anime in the aspect that You shound't just cosplay it cuz it looks "cute" or "cool" or its "in style" or "you felt like pulling together a costume and calling it Mana or Kyo"
personally as a j rock cosplayer (and Jrock fan since 98) I am somewhat disturbed when people put on some Leather clothing and a little bit of white makeup and tell the world they are a Jrock band..no same goes for an anime..a pink jacket does not really = Utena -_-;; i'm sorry its just not.. Character sketches to exist, i've seen them. just as Jrockers DO exist and therefore you CAn see what materials they use, as well as Details on Anime costumes

I think I'm going to get attacked on this post..but hey its the way I feel about it.
I do get very ticked off when people look in their closet and pull out a jacket and fill it with safety pins and call it kyo...sure its a cute lil fan inspired thing to honor our lil Jrocker but really...comeon..its not really cosplay of it..

Partly i do agree with you (majorly i agree with you i suppose)
that a lot of jrock cosplayers dont even really know WHO they're cosplaying

And like i said, I did admit i agreed to a jrock cosplay because my friend asked me to do it. and at the time i dindt' know the band..
hey its something called doing a favor for a friend, but also i researched, downloaded, bought, whutever , snooped around until i got to know the person (shrug)

on another note
sadly Jrock cosplay = V.k>
It sorta got smashed in together
Tell people Visual Kei and u get blank looks,, tell them Jrock "ahhh ur from Malice Mizer right?" (haha)
Anywhoo..its expected...of course when i see really nice jrock cosplays I go balistic and compliments fly like crazy, simply because I'm so glad a widespread of VK Jrock fans are out there
(if tehy really even know how to spell the band "they love")

so in conclusion
in my own little messed up world
jrock cosplay and anime cosplay (as well as VK cosplay) has its standards
throwing together just anything out of ur closet and calling it acutally "cosplay" applies to both
As for myself, I try to be as accurate on my costumes as possible, I wouldn't spend months on a costume if i wasn't a devoted fan or cosplayer

end of rant
*goes to get water*


p.s. I support vk/jrock cosplayers...as long as its not some whipped up imaginary costume they came up with and called it something else *(shrugs)*
costumes can be fun...can be altered...but in agreeance

please call it Inspired ~_~b

soshi
11-05-2002, 12:24 AM
that was just a restatement of my rant, ne. =P

die-sama
11-05-2002, 12:24 PM
bite me rose XD *runs away*

soshi
11-05-2002, 01:38 PM
*runs after you and bites your leg*

what's all this nonesense sending Justin after me? you have my sn, you ho. =P

die-sama
11-05-2002, 09:21 PM
lol i dont u didnt' IM me w/ that new SN so nyah

avagoyle
11-10-2002, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by soshi
the reason why a lot of jrock cosplayers are edgy about people cosplaying jrock when they don't know anything about it is because to cosplay a musician without knowing who they are, hearing their music, and LIKING their music, is very, VERY insulting to the musicians.

::totally disagrees::

ummm..... no, it's not.

try lightening up a little bit. one of the reasons why so many people stay away from jrock is because of how mean most of the people are. ::wishes we could return to the days when the jrock community was acutally a nice happy place::

how is it insulting?? that's saying "damn, your outfit rocks me enough to dress in it" it has NOTHING to do with the music. havent you even seen the actual tour videos of japan? you'll see malice mizer cosplayers at lareine concerts.

i have seen several people do cosplay outfits from manga carter and war of genesis. NONE of those people played the game, but they thought the outfits looked cool so they put them on. the only person i know of who is into cosplay and actually has the game is my boyfriend. and you know what, i supported the magna carter and war of gen. cosplayers because it gets people interested in the games.

lighten up.

soshi
11-10-2002, 03:42 PM
my statements are based on these things:

-the musicians I have been lucky enough to meet with have stated that they are offended when people cosplay them and do not like their music.

-many bands, including mainstream ones like Dir en grey and members of Malice Mizer, have said in interviews and radio shows, ect, that they become annoyed with "fans" who only like them for their looks. I assume this carries over into people who cosplay their LOOKS but are not familiar with their music.

obviously I cannot speak for every single visual kei artist out there. perhaps there are some who think it's a general compliment when people mimic their costumes for no reason other than it's pretty, but I have yet to run into any (this isn't saying much, however, as I am in no way an expert on every band).

my post was not meant to offend anyone. infact, I encourage people to get into jrock through cosplay, and cosplay/wear/make visual kei and lolita inspired clothing and costumes. if this was not apparent in my post I apologize.

Beramode
11-10-2002, 09:15 PM
cosplay is cosplay. Some people don't have the time, money, or just plain don't have the dedication to really put any effort into making a costume... that doesn't give you the right to say "That's not REAL cosplay" or any other such nonsense.

What I find interesting is that so many visual kei fans are so uppity about the 'music' and how you have to like the music to be a fan, when most of them can't even understand Japanese, nor do they have any sort of interest in non-Japanese bands that follow the same ideals and imagery as 'visual' bands and have similar music.

die-sama
11-10-2002, 11:05 PM
music isn't just lyrics dear
theres five members in the band and only one vocalist.. music has been around for a long time without voice..
and certainly in my opinion when its about the Music its about the MUSIC not about the words.. it can be about the words also..
but its fair to be a fan of the MUSIC

then again for a lot of japanese people who listen to american music (they dont know 1/2 of what we're saying either)
*shrug*doesnt' give them any less of a excuse to cosplay or listen to or to drag up the sales of the artist

*shrug* cosplay is a very opininated thing ~_~:; sometimes dangerous to get into..

I'm sorry but if someone donest have time or dedication..then why do it?
maybe its just me @_@ but i blieve in No pain NO gain.. no dedication no time...then..whats the point/?
Oh well its still called "cosplay" simply cuz its Costume play..
*shrug*

whatever floats their boats

lemoned
11-11-2002, 02:39 AM
I'd have to agree with die. If it werent for the MUSIC, I would have never been motivated to learn the language.

And as for "non-japanese" bands, I am still very much a part of the american music... hell, I've even listened to french, german, chinese, and korean. (I <3 click b XD) So don't generalize.

Personally, I am offended when someone dresses up like a musician just because they look pretty. The bands aren't trying to just look pretty... It's about the MUSIC. I can only guess what some musicians would feel about that since for most, music IS their life.

No offense meant to anyone.. I was just throwing in my two cents.

avagoyle
11-11-2002, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by lemoned
I'd have to agree with die. If it werent for the MUSIC, I would have never been motivated to learn the language.


i am confused. do you mean that you only care about the japanese culture, because of the music?

avagoyle
11-11-2002, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by die-chan
music isn't just lyrics dear
theres five members in the band and only one vocalist.. music has been around for a long time without voice..
and certainly in my opinion when its about the Music its about the MUSIC not about the words.. it can be about the words also..
but its fair to be a fan of the MUSIC


you missed his point honey. it's that so many "elitist" bitch and moan about how no one appreciates the "music" when they know very little about it in the first place themselves.

soshi
11-11-2002, 05:16 PM
what's your point? it seems to me like you're only in here to try and start up an argument. that's really not cool. -_-;

Beramode
11-11-2002, 06:14 PM
I'm sorry but if someone donest have time or dedication..then why do it?
maybe its just me @_@ but i blieve in No pain NO gain.. no dedication no time...then..whats the point/?
Oh well its still called "cosplay" simply cuz its Costume play..
*shrug*

whatever floats their boats

Die, i'm glad SOMEONE can at least acknolwedge that. I do feel the same way (why do something THAT half-assed?) but really, that's their right, and I don't think anyone has the right to put them down for it.

The bands aren't trying to just look pretty... It's about the MUSIC. I can only guess what some musicians would feel about that since for most, music IS their life.


Well... it -is- visual kei. Obviously the looks aren't all it's about, but I don't think any bands would be terribly offended by the cosplay of them by "fans" (I use the term loosely) that don't know/like their music. While I can't speak for them since I'm not them (wait, that's arguable too), I would imagine if anything that the cosplay would be just free promotion for their band. A lot of people I know skim through things like Shoxx or Vicious or whatever, see nifty outfits, and go look up the music. Cosplay if anything would be even better as a walking billboard; the same applies to anime.

Do you think Kim Hyung-Tae is offended by all the War of Genesis / Magna Carta cosplayers, most (if not all) of whom have never played his games? How many people do you think are going to look up his work, now that cosplay of those games is becoming more prolific, due to those cosplayers and their word of mouth?

what's your point? it seems to me like you're only in here to try and start up an argument. that's really not cool. -_-;


If this is in reference to me, I don't try to start arguments. ^^; I do, however, get fairly irate over elitists, hypocrites, and the ilk, many of whom seem to proliferate these boards and then cry when people accuse them of such or, heaven forbid, respond and counter their stupidity. I'm not talking about anyone specifically, but I -am- entitled to my opinions, and I try to be polite about it unless I see others who are offensive by their manner to me or to others, in which case I will respond in turn.

In regards to having 'controversial' (read: 'doesn't agree with most other people') views, my thoughts tend to fall under that category, and as such I get swamped by people trying to smack me down for thinking differently from their elitist selves. And not to stereotype (or perhaps I do?), but not only is this a cosplay forum, and within that a VISUAL kei forum, two of probably the most hostile environments in the j-culture community in terms of having different views.

soshi
11-11-2002, 06:28 PM
no, I was talking to avagoyle.

this thread was fairly dead until she dragged it back up.

it's my opinion and experience that MOST bands are annoyed when people cosplay them just because they think it's cool. after all, the visual thing is more about shock and to help further their song points than fashion (unless it's Mana.. O_o).

I'm not trying to "smack anyone down" for their views. I just posted a long and rambly opinion of mine. I get shit for being "controversial", too. if you think I'm a hypocrite, or stupid, then I'm going to have to ask you why, because.. I'm just here trying to have fun, not start a debate. christ, people are touchy.

avagoyle
11-11-2002, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by Kendo_Bunny
Well, my sister is new to anime fandom, but she absolutely loves rave music. When I told her about J-rock raves, she positively couldn't wait to go to one. But the thing I need help with is she wants a really good J-rocker costume... and I'm not good with remembering J-rock costumes ^^;; I'd like to have some suggestions to pass along to her... for a description, she's tall and thin with blond and pink hair. I don't think she particularly cares who she goes as, as long as her costume looks good.
Can anyone help me with this, or should i just stop now?

i'm sorry about our petty squabbling in your message. ^^;;;; i hope it hasn't discouraged you from cosplaying....

anyway, all of the sites that i knew of for random pictures have since been taken down. ;__;

but, how complicated can you make the costumes? can she do wigs? is she looking for something more masculine or feminine?

i'd be delighted to help you further if you give me more details into what you would like. ^___^

Kendo_Bunny
11-16-2002, 09:45 PM
Well, she's into more feminine. I'm still very much a beginner to J-rock, although from what little I've heard, I want to find more as soon as possible. Although with all the fighting it's caused, I almost wish I hadn't opened this topic ^^;
The main reason I asked so early was so I could find a bunch of good costumes, and learn more about each band, and pass the info along to my sister.
I'm not sure how she feels about wigs, but I do know she's painted herself completely black on several occassions to play a dark elf. Her favorie color is pink, if that's any help. I'm trying to make it pretty uncomplicated for her; she's already got two other costumes to make. As for bands, I know she likes music with good guitar playing and pretty voices.

avagoyle
11-22-2002, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by Kendo_Bunny
Well, she's into more feminine. I'm still very much a beginner to J-rock, although from what little I've heard, I want to find more as soon as possible. Although with all the fighting it's caused, I almost wish I hadn't opened this topic ^^;
The main reason I asked so early was so I could find a bunch of good costumes, and learn more about each band, and pass the info along to my sister.
I'm not sure how she feels about wigs, but I do know she's painted herself completely black on several occassions to play a dark elf. Her favorie color is pink, if that's any help. I'm trying to make it pretty uncomplicated for her; she's already got two other costumes to make. As for bands, I know she likes music with good guitar playing and pretty voices.

http://www.thesoyokaze.net/bluesky/

http://www.rushedblue.com/

are two of my friend's sites. for feminine stuff, i suggest Mana from Malice mizer. pink i am thinking izam, but izam is more cranberry than pink ^^;;; yukari from baiser has reddish hair, and mayu from lareine also has reddish hair that you could probably do and just pretend it's pink. :P