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AngieRikku
08-29-2009, 04:46 AM
Okay, so I've been thinking about this for a while now and I'd really like to know If anyone has made a prop (mainly a staff or scythe type weapon) collapsible for traveling purposes?

Say you have a 5 ft. pole (possibly with an attached scythe blade or ornament on top) and you'd like to be able to divide the pole into two 2 1/2' sections. How would you make those two dowels able to be merged into one again? I was thinking of mounting a screw into one dowel, parallel to the rod, and having it screw into the other rod. Though... I am not sure how to do this. ^^;

If anyone has any input or ideas please share! I'd really like to be able to take my Yuki Scythe with me to future cons! =D

Thanks in advance!

R1KKu
08-29-2009, 08:58 AM
For wood, you can use brass threaded inserts and threaded rod. They look like this....

http://www.woodworkingparts.com/woodsupply_photos/photos/8_32_brass_insert.jpg

and

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50701736/Threaded_Rod.jpg

The pieces need to be the same size so that the rod fits into the inserts. You would drill a hole into an end of each section of the dowel, where you want to attach them, and screw in the threaded inserts. The threaded rod (would have to get cut down) would then go into each of those inserts and hold the 2 pieces together. You should be able to find this stuff at a local hardware store.

I have 2 props which use these pieces and have really helped in traveling with large props, especially when theyre taller than you, lol.

I included a picture to give you an idea of what the pieces look like in a prop.

SvK
08-29-2009, 10:00 AM
PVC pipe would work well for that. Plumbing bits fit together well and will hold together with friction. Your handle would be two lengths of PVC pipe (probably the same piece of pipe cut in half) with a coupler in the middle. A coupler is a short piece of slightly larger pipe for joining two segments of pipe. Just jam one half of your handle into each end. They will fit together quite securely. In fact, a layer of paint on the pipe sections will make them fit so tightly that you may not be able to pull them apart again!

AngieRikku
08-30-2009, 03:30 AM
For wood, you can use brass threaded inserts and threaded rod. They look like this....

http://www.woodworkingparts.com/woodsupply_photos/photos/8_32_brass_insert.jpg

and

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50701736/Threaded_Rod.jpg

The pieces need to be the same size so that the rod fits into the inserts. You would drill a hole into an end of each section of the dowel, where you want to attach them, and screw in the threaded inserts. The threaded rod (would have to get cut down) would then go into each of those inserts and hold the 2 pieces together. You should be able to find this stuff at a local hardware store.

I have 2 props which use these pieces and have really helped in traveling with large props, especially when theyre taller than you, lol.

I included a picture to give you an idea of what the pieces look like in a prop.


Oh wow! This is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you sooooo much! <3 I'd really love to take my Mithra to other conventions, but my Yuki scythe just doesn't fit into a car comfortably. T-T Did you use that method for your Kamikirisu pole? You're the best Kamikirisu I've ever seen! O.O

PVC pipe would work well for that. Plumbing bits fit together well and will hold together with friction. Your handle would be two lengths of PVC pipe (probably the same piece of pipe cut in half) with a coupler in the middle. A coupler is a short piece of slightly larger pipe for joining two segments of pipe. Just jam one half of your handle into each end. They will fit together quite securely. In fact, a layer of paint on the pipe sections will make them fit so tightly that you may not be able to pull them apart again!

Thank you so much! Currently the props I want to collapse are all wooden dowel based. T-T But If I make one with a PVC pipe this will definitely be of help! =D

R1KKu
08-30-2009, 09:16 AM
Oh wow! This is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you sooooo much! <3 I'd really love to take my Mithra to other conventions, but my Yuki scythe just doesn't fit into a car comfortably. T-T Did you use that method for your Kamikirisu pole? You're the best Kamikirisu I've ever seen! O.O


Yeah, that's the method I used for both my Kamikirimusi club and my Freya lance, which are about 6ft and 7ft long. It helped bit time, because I drive a pretty small car.

Sirblood
08-30-2009, 12:28 PM
If you use a large dowel you could cut it into sections. Insert a bolt and threading into each piece. You would have to drill each section out. They make bolts and threading designed for this purpose, most Menards should carry it in their specialty bolt sections. It would allow you to easily screw or unscrew each section just like a pool cue.

Alternatively if you want a shortcut method, find a cheap pool cue, they are 4-5 foot long and come pre threaded for disassembly. You would just have to mount your endpiece on it which shouldn't be too difficult. Easiest method mount it to a small section of pcv and then fasten the pvc pipe to the tip with glue or a screw. PVC pipe could either be 1 piece of 2 or 3 inches in length or 2 pieces of 1/2 inch in length (easier to hide)

AngieRikku
08-30-2009, 03:09 PM
If you use a large dowel you could cut it into sections. Insert a bolt and threading into each piece. You would have to drill each section out. They make bolts and threading designed for this purpose, most Menards should carry it in their specialty bolt sections. It would allow you to easily screw or unscrew each section just like a pool cue.

Alternatively if you want a shortcut method, find a cheap pool cue, they are 4-5 foot long and come pre threaded for disassembly. You would just have to mount your endpiece on it which shouldn't be too difficult. Easiest method mount it to a small section of pcv and then fasten the pvc pipe to the tip with glue or a screw. PVC pipe could either be 1 piece of 2 or 3 inches in length or 2 pieces of 1/2 inch in length (easier to hide)

That is a great idea as well! Is the threading just like the one that R1kku posted? http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50701736/Threaded_Rod.jpg

AngieRikku
08-31-2009, 02:55 AM
Yeah, that's the method I used for both my Kamikirimusi club and my Freya lance, which are about 6ft and 7ft long. It helped bit time, because I drive a pretty small car.

I went to Home Depot today and noticed that threaded rod doesn't come pre-cut. ^^ Do you know the best way to go about cutting it? Would a jig-saw work? Or would that just send sparks flying? ^^;

cachalot
08-31-2009, 08:11 AM
I used a different method for my Cid Highwind spear - the haft isn't made from round dowels but rather 1"x2" rectangular beams so it probably won't work for what you want to do right now, but if anyone else needs an idea! I joined them together with a hinge on one side and a slide bolt on the other. That way, the spear haft swings up and closed when I need to transport it. When using it at the con, I simply swing it down and then connect the two sides with the slide bolt so that it stays.

Slide bolt: http://www.sugatsune.com/products/productss.cfm?CATID=5&SUBCATID=12
Small hinge: http://www.dl-golden.com/UploadFiles/Product_img/200715101713.JPG

Spear: http://picasaweb.google.com/runningdownwind/Otakon2008#5233311419630265874

I unfortunately don't have a picture of the spear folded up, but hopefully my description will give you an idea ^_^

cachalot
08-31-2009, 08:14 AM
I went to Home Depot today and noticed that threaded rod doesn't come pre-cut. ^^ Do you know the best way to go about cutting it? Would a jig-saw work? Or would that just send sparks flying? ^^;

I would recommend just a hacksaw. It's surprisingly easy to cut metal with a simple hacksaw. Just clamp the rod so that it's sturdy and won't flop around while you cut it (I recommend using a small vise instead of regular clamps) and slice into it with the hacksaw. A jigsaw is fine too, but I find that I prefer using a hacksaw just because it's slower and I feel like I have more control over my cuts.

AngieRikku
09-02-2009, 08:13 PM
I would recommend just a hacksaw. It's surprisingly easy to cut metal with a simple hacksaw. Just clamp the rod so that it's sturdy and won't flop around while you cut it (I recommend using a small vise instead of regular clamps) and slice into it with the hacksaw. A jigsaw is fine too, but I find that I prefer using a hacksaw just because it's slower and I feel like I have more control over my cuts.

Oh really? That's great to hear! I was afraid to send sparks flying. lol. You just made my day. =D