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John Booty
10-07-2002, 10:58 AM
Some people are really picky about this, I've noticed.

Personally, I don't care if people call it "Japanese animation" or even "cartoons". The only one that irks me is "Japanimation" because that just sounds ugly and bastardized.

Sometimes I think that "Japanese animation" is probably the most accurate term, anyway... "anime" is a Japanese term for any sort of animation, so using it to apply to Japanese animation only is probably not 100% accurate.

But, still... *peers down at his anime banner* if you say "anime" people know what you mean, and it's a pain fitting "Japanese Animation" onto a little 8K banner. XD

Cassandra
10-07-2002, 11:07 AM
It depends for me. Since "Japanimation" is a term that a lot of people from the Astroboy-era used, I'm a lil more forgiving when it's an older person saying it. But when it's someone our age (like under 30), then I'm give them the "what-did-you-just-say" look. It's a rather racist term IMHO.

I prefer anime, though I'm getting used to calling it Japanese animation. (Too many business people asking me what anime is. I find it easier and less time consuming to just say Japanese animation right from the start.)

aeva
10-07-2002, 11:18 AM
Personally, calling anime "Japanimation" and "cartoons" really bother me. As JohnBooty said, "Japanimation" sounds all bastardized, and "cartoons" just makes it seem like some thrown-together, plotless ish that's on Nickelodeon [except Zim. Zim and Angry Beavers are good. But I'm talking Looney Toones kind of plotless, undeveloped ish.] Anime is more than a cartoon... it really tries to capture the audience in more than just slapstick comedy. The characters are usually well developed, and its just.... different.

Celine
10-07-2002, 11:33 AM
I've never heard that calling it Japanimation was inappropriate. Anime, Japanese animation, Japanimation, cartoons, whatever... it's all fine by me. I used to call it Japanimation so that people knew what I was talking about, but now I use anime since that's become a word more people are familiar with.

kitty_neko
10-07-2002, 11:37 AM
i get really annoyed when people call it just cartoons. theres a big difference! ><

John Booty
10-07-2002, 11:46 AM
As long as they don't think it's all like DBZ, I suppose people can call it whatever they like and I wouldn't mind too much!

Tenshi
10-07-2002, 11:46 AM
I don't really care what other people call it. . .it's just a word ^_^. But I don't like the connotation of "cartoons." Cartoons make people think of little kid shows, and that's obviously not a good outlook on anime.

Rosiel
10-07-2002, 11:57 AM
I don't care either way.... they are all correct to an extent and I would /never/ berate anyone for their choice. That would be simply pedantic.

As for people's objections to "cartoons", sure calling Ghost in the Shell "cartoons" feels like it does not fit the established usage of cartoons, but "Hello Kitty" would fit in it pretty well. "Cartoons" became a sub-genre of animation that should not be limited to the US-made ones IMO.

But then it's not only an anime-related problem, I can't see Disney features (Lion King, Hunchback of Notre Dame etc.) fitting in as a "cartoon" either, or, say Lord of the Rings.

My personal term of choice is Japanimation, because that's what's used in French, but since I am too lazy to type the extra letters, I generally write "anime".

I mean, if you object to "cartoons" on a semantics level, you have to be consistent and object to "anime" too. Because "anime" could describe anything animated, from Looney Tunes to Ren and Stimpy to Utena. Usage narrowed its perceived meaning, but it's not clear-cut either.

Ayaka
10-07-2002, 03:02 PM
The only thing I got ticked off by was this one guy I met who insisted on calling it "aNEEm". No "eh" sound on the end. Just "aNEEm". And he swore that was how you were supposed to say it. It was annoying, but it was also hilarious, so I guess even then I wasn't TOO annoyed . . .

Demented Otaku
10-07-2002, 03:28 PM
I used to pronounce anime anne-i'm... anyway, call it Japanimation or anime, just so you know what you're talking about. The most Asian thing people have heard of around here is DBZ or Pokemon, and they refer to anime as "cartoon porno". But hey, they can be as ignorant as they want to be.

Tenjou
10-07-2002, 03:32 PM
[Angry Beavers] !!!!! *_* I LOVE THAT SHOW!! Whatever happened to it? -brings out a cannon- They better not have cancelled it. >,<

But I don't mind. Just as long as the people don't call it Sailor Moon. I'm happy.

pakachu420
10-07-2002, 03:54 PM
i dont really care what people call it. though cartoon does kinda erk me

Sakura
10-07-2002, 03:59 PM
Cartoons... that term irks me way too much. A cartoon is some poorly created american kiddie show with a mindless plot and they all drive me insane! @_@;

pakachu420
10-07-2002, 04:03 PM
hey!!! some cartoons are pretty good!!!

i just think that is too general of a term. i think of cartoons as the kinda goofy loony toons type of stuff.

Chiri
10-07-2002, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by John Booty
As long as they don't think it's all like DBZ

>_< ARGh.... There are just some anime, that gives good anime a bad name...and 99.9% of the time, those who don't really know 'anime,' immediately think of the kiddie anime that airs on daytime television (DBZ, Pokemon, Sailor Moon, etc) ... and that just really pisses me off ...

Just last Thursday was the second to last day of Spirit Week in my school, and it was "Movie Star Day." So, I dress up in full Chichiri costume, and strut around school different and proud. However, this baka-of-a-freshman asks me who I am. I show him a picture or two of Chichiri, and he says: "Oh, like from Dragonball Z?" :angry: No...I'm sorry ... thats NOT quite it ...

But besides that, people liked my individuality in my costume ^^;; (sure was fun, confusing people ... I felt like I was cosplaying at a really cheap convention again...and no one was cosplaying but me! :D)

Usually people have no idea what I'm talking about when I say it's "anime," but that's the term I like best, and quite frankly, that's what it is :p

~ Chiri :cheers:

pakachu420
10-07-2002, 04:45 PM
give the kid a break(maybe his arm) but at least he had an idea what anime was. he coulda been like "ani...wha?"

Keurblitz
10-07-2002, 05:16 PM
well, does it really matter? I mean as long as people get the point, it doesn't really matter what term they used.

I just hate it when I mention anime and people just assume I'm talking about DBZ... ack, it's one of my pet peevs....

Mei Lan Chang
10-07-2002, 06:31 PM
Funny how it seems that anime's such as Pokemon, Sailor Moon, and Dragon Ball Z, some of the real icebreakers for bringing anime to the United States are the most easily hated.

Personally, I think in the American culture, it is safe to say that there is a very large difference between cartoons and anime. American animations never really matured into a genre that adults can watch and take seriously (uhh....at least from what I have witnessed) I mean sure, Heavy Metal was amusing, but it seemed like a loosely plotted action hero/nudity mess at times. (I still love it though). Back the the point though...

Since America never cultivated a strong appriciation for comics or animation for anyone over 12, all of us who want more from animation (like complex story, intellectual themes, and not always happy go lucky plots) have to import it from Japan. Them thar Japanese got the right idea.

Koumori
10-07-2002, 08:48 PM
Doesn't bother me. It *is* cartoons, after all - and hey, Looney Tunes is some terrific stuff. "Japanimation" is kind of an awkward word, but it sums up what it actually *is* - Japanese animation - and doesn't require further definition when dropped into conversation.

Babbit_Chan
10-07-2002, 09:26 PM
I don't think it really matters - as long as no one disturbs your obssession, right?

aeva
10-07-2002, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Mei Lan Chang
Personally, I think in the American culture, it is safe to say that there is a very large difference between cartoons and anime. American animations never really matured into a genre that adults can watch and take seriously

...

Since America never cultivated a strong appriciation for comics or animation for anyone over 12, all of us who want more from animation (like complex story, intellectual themes, and not always happy go lucky plots) have to import it from Japan. Them thar Japanese got the right idea.

Very well said ::clap clap:: ^^ I agree 100%!

Mei Lan Chang
10-07-2002, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by aeva


Very well said ::clap clap:: ^^ I agree 100%!

*has the spotlight flashed on her whilst picking her nose* Why, thankyou m'dear.

Oshi
10-08-2002, 12:24 AM
If I'm talking to somebody I know won't know what anime is, I'll say anime, then clarify that it's japanese animation.
And when somebody says "like DBZ?" or something... I'll say "Yeah, DBZ's an anime... a pretty poor one, though."
And eventually, everyone I talk to knows basically what anime is =P

Foxwolfe
10-08-2002, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by Sakura
Cartoons... that term irks me way too much. A cartoon is some poorly created american kiddie show with a mindless plot and they all drive me insane! @_@;

Lol that was funny, because there are ALOT of japanese cartoons that are the exact same thing. Goofy characters, plotless, aimed at kids, trust me america isnt the only place to find those. And besides the point that alot of "cartoons" are quite enjoyable to watch to different people, I for one loved Invader Zim among others. So you making that comment and making is sound like american cartoons are the only one of this kind is almost as offensive to me as someone dis'ing anime for being, in their opinion, just a cartoon.

John Booty
10-08-2002, 11:58 AM
> Lol that was funny, because there are
> ALOT of japanese cartoons that are the
> exact same thing. Goofy characters,
> plotless, aimed at kids,

Yeah, that's so true! I mean, come on, most anime is pretty simplistic. While the best anime is amazing, probably 9/10 of it is trash. Often *enjoyable* trash, but... I don't think most of it is *so* far elevated over American animation.

And like an earlier poster said, Looney Toons is GOOD STUFF. I'm talking about the Mel Blanc classics. Sadly though, these cartoons have been edited to death over the years, with all kinds of violence and other references taken out. Most of you guys literally don't know what you're missing.

When I was a kid in the 80's they'd already been highly edited and I KNOW a lot more has been taken out since then!

Koumori
10-08-2002, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by John Booty

And like an earlier poster said, Looney Toons is GOOD STUFF. I'm talking about the Mel Blanc classics. Sadly though, these cartoons have been edited to death over the years, with all kinds of violence and other references taken out. Most of you guys literally don't know what you're missing.


Looney Tunes was pretty damn subversive. Still is. And terrific animation, music, voices... man, Looney Tunes is the total package. "The Rabbit of Seville" may be the best. Cartoon. Ever.

SleepingKirby
10-11-2002, 01:11 PM
Personally, I use all three Anime, Japanese animation and Cartoons, depending on whom I talk to. For me all animation are equal. Because they're all moving images. That's not to say some are not better than others, because some definitely are. Although the cultural denotation in America is that cartoons are only for little kids, I still use to the term "cartoon" because I want them (the people that I talk to.) to realize that animation is still animation, an art medium. It isn't limited to kids or adults or aliens and it doesn't matter if it came from the US, Japan or Korea. Animation is still animation. Good animation isn't defined by where it came from or who it's geared towards. It's definited by who and/or how they maded it. I use the phrase "Japanese Animation" when I get a "huh?" response when I say "anime". I use anime because I'm too lazy to say "Japanese Animation" all the time. And I don't like to say "Japanimation" because it's more work to pronounce than one word of "cartoon" or "Anime" and "Japanese Animation" is a lot more precise and easier to annonsiate.

JoeBoeing
10-12-2002, 09:03 PM
I use Japanese Animation, Anime and Japanimation all the time.

However, there are two ways to say Japanimation:

1. Jap- animation = rude
2. Japan-imation = correct

However, there are only 3 other friends in my area who like anime and everyone else thinks of anime as DBZ or Pokemon. Older people think of speed racer and that ticks me off.

There is no way you can compare the quality of Fushigi Yuugi or Princess Nine to DBZ or Pokemon. Digimon (season 1 and 2) is better than Pokemon.

My family think of anime as toothpic skinny teenage girls with big breasts and high pitched voices. but they haven't seen FY or P9 or the other truely good anime.

It just bugs me but as anime gets more mainstream maybe they'll change their perspective.

I just wish I could get my parents to watch a Miyazaki film.

FRom,
Joe Boeing

Dark Vision
10-13-2002, 04:14 AM
My freakish two cents worth of comments.

I frankly don't mind what people will call it. If that person calls it cartoons, then if by chance he becomes deeper into our circle, that mindset will change. Just because they're ignorant of a world that they haven't been involved in doesn't mean we call their views wrong. It may be malice and foreboding, but explaining a person how the trends, terms and understanding of it is useless unless they are willing learn and appresiate this whole world we live in. Which is by the way, very big and maybe endless.

Besides, even in japan, the people believe that anime is childish, or for the obessive (this term is a good thing), or the perverted. There are very few animations that can break this mold and that is of course miyazaki, in which hits many artistic points, from art, direction, story, and going beyond the limits of the medium. Totoro will always be a household name, Fushigi Yuugi or Chobits will never get close(understand i mean in japan).

A lot of typing again, i'll finish up with this. Unless a person willing involves themselves with this world, they'll never understand.

O in terms of pronoucing trendy words, i really don't care since most american otakus' can't say anime right. Hell, I get lazy alot and say it without the japanese flow.

Karisu-sama
10-13-2002, 08:37 AM
In defense of MY GENERATION!!!
Originally posted by JoeBoeing
I use Japanese Animation, Anime and Japanimation all the time.
2. Japan-imation = correct
...And that is the term us old-school Anime fans used way back before the term Anime came into vogue. So there.
Older people think of speed racer and that ticks me off.
WATCH who you're calling "older people", man. I am *NOT* old. You KNOW who I am!!

I'm one of those who grew up on Speed Racer (bishiest thing on my parents' black 'n white TV! - at the time, of course...) You think our interest in Anime stopped there?? Nah, after Speed, Gatchaman ("Battle of the Planets"), Mazinger Z, Voltron etc. we went on to Star Blazers, Robotech & so forth... and we're still watching.

You call ME old, Dilandau has a Crima Claw with your name on it. :mad:
I just wish I could get my parents to watch a Miyazaki film.

I love Miyazaki films, and have since before I even had kids. "Totoro" was their first movie. Personally, I've found hardly anything made in the US that I could approve of their watching.

Shinji_Ikari
10-13-2002, 09:25 AM
well me um....i really hate when people call it cartoons.So what they have the right to say it the way they want....but it shows that they are a fricken newbie...

Celine
10-13-2002, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by Karisu-sama
...And that is the term us old-school Anime fans used way back before the term Anime came into vogue. So there.

WATCH who you're calling "older people", man. I am *NOT* old. You KNOW who I am!!

Yes! See! Thank you! Japanimation was just the buzz word before the genre became more popular and everyone switched to "anime". Further in defense of that word, there is a large store in PA called "Joy's Japanimation" which is certainly not trying to be derogatory.

Most anime fans these days were introduced to the genre by the age of Sailor Moon (94 ish, I think), or Cartoon Network's DBZ & Pokemon (a few years back, 98, 99?). Just because there were crazy fans before this doesn't make them old! I know I'm certainly not old, and I was watching and importing anime long before those shows attracted large non-Japanese audiences.

JoeBoeing
10-13-2002, 03:26 PM
Karisu-sama - I wasn't calling the people who grew up on Speed Racer old. When I saw you at Ani-Magic I thought you were no older than 25.

What I was talking about was people who watched Speed Racer as a kid and had forgotton about anime and when they think back on anime the 1st thing they think of is speed racer.

I've come across many people of the older anime fan generation than I who haven't seen any anime since Battle of the Planets and I try to tell them that anime has grown since then (even back in the Speed Racer days it was more advanced than other shows on U.S. TV).

I missed Speed Racer in it's initial run but I saw it in re-runs. I'm of the Star Blazers and Battle of the Planets generation. I was born in 1974... I missed Kimba, Astro Boy, and Speed Racer but at least I was born in time for the Battle of the Planets and Star Blazers.

SAy, anyone remember Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot? I loved that show.

anyways, sorry, I didn't mean to call you old.

SAy, can I join your family? You'd be getting a son with 25 videogame systems and 1000 games.

Later,
Joe Boeing

Ukayoru no Chou
10-13-2002, 03:39 PM
The thing that cracks me up, was last night, a friend of mine didn't belive a girl online was 24 becuase she was talking about anime and Rp'ing.

I asked her who she thought watched it before us, and where has she been? It really scared me...o.o;; Im like, " must give props to before me fans..specially on buying anime [ so I can get more u know? o.O ] and on the cons ! " hehe ^^;; thats my little side note...

But, for some reson I think saying Japanimation sounds funny ^^;;; I will say it thought, but of course, im used to just saying anime now. I dont think I get irratated..o.o; I just say anime more than not... I dont like it when I go ..
"Well, I had a few friends over and we watched alot of Anime tapes " or whatever...and other person is all
"Your thirteen and still watching a bunch of lil' kid cartoons?"

That slightly urks me..---;;;

</rantness>

Shima-Mizu
10-13-2002, 06:44 PM
I definitly go with the "cartoon" word as irking me...cartoon's are american, anime's are japanese...people need to stop getting them confused.

Karisu-sama
10-13-2002, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by JoeBoeing
Karisu-sama - I wasn't calling the people who grew up on Speed Racer old. When I saw you at Ani-Magic I thought you were no older than 25.
Heh. Looks can be very deceiving.
Isn't it nice what good genes, martial arts, wigs and a little makeup can do for you? http://www.dragonsgate.net/cosplay/Costume_Studio/AnneBonny.jpg (That was last night; costume for the San Jose Witches Ball) - Age is just a frikken NUMBER!!!!
anime has grown since then (even back in the Speed Racer days it was more advanced than other shows on U.S. TV).
So true. And it's better than ever.
SAy, anyone remember Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot? I loved that show.
I think so. There were quite a few live-action Japanese shows on TV too... does anyone remember the name of the one with the robot family that turned into airplanes? The "mother" and "son" looked like normal humans as robots, but the dad was this really giant mecha.
SAy, can I join your family? You'd be getting a son with 25 videogame systems and 1000 games.
LOL that's tempting... ;) Now if I had *time* to play games...
And you're in the half-generation after mine.

Foxwolfe
10-14-2002, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by Shima-Mizu
I definitly go with the "cartoon" word as irking me...cartoon's are american, anime's are japanese...people need to stop getting them confused.

Lol how do you get stuff like this in your head? Its comments like these that make me think YOURE the "anime" newbie.

From your comment it would seem that your definition of anime is the stuff like akira, gundam, FY, X, etc etc, and that cartoons are american shows like ed edd and eddy and powerpuff girls. Well what the hell do you call hamtaro then? Or hello kitty huh? These shows have the same little kid appeal and MIA plot, so shouldnt they be considered cartoons as well?

I dont mind people getting miffed when someone refers to anime as cartoons, but giving rationalizations like "cartoons are american and anime's are japanese" are just rediculous.

I know that in general american cartoons are plotless and the story aspect usually stays self contained within each ep, but theres also stuff like the disney movies, which dont at all fit under the description I gave for a cartoon. Yet still alot of people have the mindset that only american shows can be labeled as cartoons and are therefor far insuperior to any and all "anime". Personally I dont label shows like hamtaro and the such as anime, they fall right in with powerpuff girls and ed edd and eddy to me.

I didnt mean to offend by what I said and if I did I apologize.

John Booty
10-14-2002, 08:29 AM
> Personally I dont label shows like
> hamtaro and the such as anime

That's an odd distinction. Strictly speaking "anime" is just short for "animation". In certain circles (fans of Japanese animation outside of Japan) the term "anime" has come to be synonomous with "Japanese animation".

I'm not sure how you came to classify Hamtaro as "not anime"- you're certainly operating with different definitions than the rest of the world. If you want to invent your own terminology that's certainly fine- but in that case comments like:

> Lol how do you get stuff like this in
> your head? Its comments like these
> that make me think YOURE the
> "anime" newbie.

...are a bit out of line. While I disagree with Shima-Mizu in the sense that I don't really mind it when people call Japanese animation "cartoons", she's going by the definitions that the vast majority of anime fans use.

So, tell us more about your wonderful new classification system! Hamtaro isn't anime? So it's not enough to be made in Japan; it has to be SERIOUS, too? Please name more Japanese animation that isn't "anime" so that we can be enlightened. ^_^

Mei Lan Chang
10-14-2002, 08:46 AM
*finally wanders into Bootyproject*

Ooooo, pimp rating system! Hahahhaa..this stuff is great. *bookmarks*

Hey, where is the guest book where I can force my lousy opinions on you Booty?

....sidenote: "Newbie" is a very naughty word and ought not be used because of its discriminatory properties.

Cassandra
10-14-2002, 08:49 AM
*giggle* No guest book. You'd just have to spam his email box with hundreds of adoring emails telling him how much you love him :D


*runs away before Booty steps on her fragile lil head*

Foxwolfe
10-14-2002, 07:00 PM
I think you were taking that part a little to literally, thats just my personal opinion. I dont label hamtaro and the such as anime, even though thats exactly what it is just because of the fact that its animation, from japan. To me shows like that fall under the same classification as the kiddy cartoons over here. Its not so much that I think anime has to be serious, just I like stuff to include a little more plot or more mature theme than "little hamster adventures". But as I said before this is just my take on things, and I admit I might have went a little overboard in the last post.

The thing that really irks me though is some peoples thought that cartoons=american plotless kiddy crap, and anime=from japan and far superior to the american junk. Im not tryin to say I like american cartoons, most I dislike, but it seems that alot of anime isnt any better than the kiddy cartoons over here, and also that theres plenty of good plot driven animation from over here. Yet when making comments like "Cartoons... that term irks me way too much. A cartoon is some poorly created american kiddie show with a mindless plot and they all drive me insane! @_@;" people dont seem to take this into consideration.

Edit: I guess I should kinda refrase part of what I said, its not so much that I dont consider hamtaro anime, because I know it is, its just that I consider it grouped with all kiddie cartoons in general more. If that makes any sense.

Galaxia
10-14-2002, 09:08 PM
"Immature baby crap" comes to mind....:sulk::sulk::sulk::sulk::sulk:

Foxwolfe
10-15-2002, 02:37 AM
What do you mean.

JoeBoeing
10-15-2002, 10:20 AM
A lot of Japanimation fans take the term anime an odd way.

In Japan anime is a term used for all animation even Disney animation. THe Simpsons is anime as is Smurfs and Ed, Edd and Eddy (man I can't stand that show).

To say that something with only a deep story or good animation is anime is weird to me.

Anyways, have to go.

FRom,
Joe Boeing

Cyber Wolf
10-15-2002, 06:24 PM
*gasp* How can you not like Ed, Edd, and Eddy?! That show is soooo funny! XD

I remember I was making conversation with receptionist at my dentist's office an I was like "blah blah blah anime" and she was like "Oh, Japanimation?" with the stress on the first syllable and my face started to tic lol. Well, she didn't know about the whole anime thing like we do so, whatever ya know. Though I don't like it being referred to as "cartoons" because it suggests something really juvenile and pointless, exactly what (most) anime are not. And like Mei Lan said there aren't many American cartoons for adults out there..... that actually have a substantial plot snd aren't about sex and stuff like that -_-;;;

Galaxia
10-18-2002, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Foxwolfe
What do you mean.


That's what my sister calls it. I should have been more specific :thumbsup: :thumbsup: