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08-11-2010, 07:12 AM
so i think i might be understanding it now. i went to sakuracon 2010 and had a crap ton of pictures taken, though i was not wearing a costume, but now i think it is because people assumed i was cosplaying... my clothing style?
see, i'm victorian gothic. this is my daily wear, and has been for years. yet recently i've heard people are 'cosplaying' this actual fashion, and i find it... puzzling?
i don't understand why someone would cosplay a fashion. it is only a fashion. i suppose i can understand with lolita, and maybe even steampunk to some degree, but... gothic?
08-11-2010, 08:09 AM
Well, on the issues of photos - people likely thought you were from some series that they've never heard of.
On the issue of people going to conventions in niche fashions... well you answered it yourself really. You went to a convention in a niche fashion, others do the same. Perhaps some people feel safe from criticism surrounded by nerds, either way it's becoming more popular - either that more people into niche fandoms like anime also like lolita/gothic/steampunk fashions or more enjoy dabbling in it from time to time. There's a correlation there somewhere.
08-11-2010, 08:26 AM
well, when i say daily wear, i mean daily, as with most goths i've known. i just don't see the point in dressing in fairly normal clothing as cosplay. i thought the point of cosplay was to... well. wear costumes..? i didn't go to the convention as a cosplayer. i was just checking it out with some friends who were already going, as i'd never seen one before.
08-11-2010, 02:42 PM
People took your picture because they liked your clothing, whether they thought it was cosplay or not. If someone asks you what you are cosplaying, you can polietly correct them ("oh, I'm not cosplaying, this is how I dress on a daily basis"), and then let it go from there. Don't get too worked up about it, but do correct any misunderstandings.
Otherwise, be flattered that people like what you wear enough to take pictures!
08-11-2010, 02:50 PM
oh, i'm not complaining. it was puzzling and somewhat flattering, yes. i'm not attempting to be offensive, i just don't understand the purpose of cosplaying a fairly common fashion, is all. it puzzles me.
like... if i saw someone cosplaying my normal outfit, i would feel very strange.
08-11-2010, 03:42 PM
Well, did you ask if they were cosplaying? Maybe they only wear it to certain places.
Thats like saying all of the ravers you see running around the con(atleast here in Tampa we have tons of them) are cosplaying just because they only dress that way for conventions/raves/whatever.
It's just part of the convention;; it happens no matter how much we try to explain that it isn't cosplay.
I do understand how childish it seems though. Just as a real schoolgirl finds it strange that someone would cosplay as a schoolgirl. Or as a lolita finds it strange that someone would cosplay as a lolita.
And I'm just going to throw this out there, I don't find gothic to be fairly normal clothing.
And lastly, maybe they were cosplaying a gothic character is they WERE cosplaying.
08-11-2010, 04:04 PM
oh no, it's things i've seen, such as threads and people chatting, saying they want to do 'gothic cosplay'. it just seems very bizarre to me, is all. though, i think i can kind of understand why a lot of lolita dislike cosplay lolita. i don't personally take any offense, but i can understand it. either way... suppose it just surprised me.
08-12-2010, 07:03 PM
Sorry it sounded as though I didn't understand, I do get that you wear it daily, I was just pointing out that you wore it to a convention, as do other people... but they may not wear it daily. Some people like the style of clothing, but don't wear it for daily use. They make an outfit special for the convention. That being said, I don't understand why they call it cosplay. It's not a costume, it's a fashion.
08-13-2010, 01:30 AM
Well, people might consider it cosplay for a few reasons. Of course, it's a fashion, not a cosplay, but same with lolita, gyaru, etc.
First of all, it's unusual. Even if you wear it daily, it's still not something that's typically seen. Unusual fashions tend to get cosplayed. Also, since it's victorian gothic, it's historical, and a lot of people are into or dabble in historical costuming, so they may lump your fashion in with historical costuming because it has historical elements (and is probably more overtly Victorian than something like lolita). Even if it isn't 100% historically accurate, most of these people probably don't know or care and think that it is just a pretty gothic-styled Victorian costume. Third, it probably looks pretty costumey to the outside viewer, even if it is daily wear for you I wear lolita on a daily basis and understand that it can look costumey to an outsider, and it is often mistaken for a costume by people who know about it but aren't actually into it themselves (or just dabble in it and think they know about it), and since I'm assuming that your fashion is pretty overtly Victorian, it seems even more like a costume to an outsider.
That's not to say that you have to like it when people refer to your clothes as a costume (I know that I'm not super thrilled when people do that to me, especially since lolita clothes take care to not look like a costume), but people will think that your clothes are a costume and they will wear similar things as a costume, and there's not much that you can do about it exept politely correct those who tell you otherwise to your face.
08-13-2010, 07:40 AM
heh, that pretty much sums it up. i can't really see it as a costume because it's common for me, so it's hard to conceive that others see it as a costume. victorian gothic is definitely my preference in style. i just can't easily relate it to... well, costume wear. but yes, i can see the relation.
hilariously, when i went people kept asking if my hair was a wig. i think i found that even more startling.
but, it was my first time seeing a convention in person, so it was a bit startling to begin with.
08-17-2010, 09:36 PM
Fashions have a certain 'personality' to them. Just like cosplay if you slip yourself into a different type of clothes a mindset can follow. It can be nice to be someone completely different for an afternoon.
I also think people get way too hung up on the word 'costume', everything we wear is a 'costume'.
08-19-2010, 05:29 AM
Late response but WHO CARES 8D
Don't worry the same thing happens to me.
I casually dress punk/visual/etc and people are always commenting my costume/cosplay/etc
I'd just be like, "what costume?" and be puzzled but after awhile i got used to it...
To be honest, the main concept out of cons.expo was not just the idea of going to buy stuff and all
but also the fact that people can sorta dress what they can't in public
A LOT of people love gothic, cybergoth, decora, etc.
but a lot of people don't do it cause of the eye sight they will draw on.
And the only place where people CAN actually do this without feeling a bit awkward is cons/expo/etc.
Plus, at least your pictures were taken at the con...
In public while im waiting for someone, people would run up to me and ask if they can take a picture with me
or travelers will take random pictures of me and i'll be like, "eh?!"
No respect but whatever. I get used to it...
I'm like a freakin walking Harajuku station... un-polite photographers...