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Sariannah
09-07-2010, 01:47 PM
well, i don't really know what to call it, but what do you guys think about taking a character, and cosplaying as them in a different enviornment? (e.g, School Uniforms, formal clothing, casual outfits, ect...) i was thinking about doing this, but i need to consider the reactions of others, and the issue of recognization. opinions?

spazzerbot
09-07-2010, 02:06 PM
I think the biggest problem is a lot of times I don't recognize who the cosplayer is trying to be. A school costume is pretty generic, just because you have a Sora wig on doesn't mean I will know you are Sora!

I think it can work really well if the cosplayer takes the time to really make sure they are easily recognizable by adding elements into the costume that make you think of the characters original costume.
I don't really see the point to it thought. If you are already putting time and money into a cosplay of a character why not just go with an established design?

Cogetas
09-07-2010, 02:12 PM
I do this only when I don't want to be in full costume, like when I'm eating, when I'm taking the train to and from the convention, or just hanging out with friends. I don't expect anyone to recognize me or take my picture. I'm just relaxing.

For those who want to make an actual Casual cosplay, I'd suggest finding some prop or accessory that make your version recognizable.

If you want to do it, go for it :) At least YOU know which character you're portraying, right? :D Who cares if someone else doesn't 'get' it or doesn't like it?

Sariannah
09-07-2010, 02:14 PM
I think the biggest problem is a lot of times I don't recognize who the cosplayer is trying to be. A school costume is pretty generic, just because you have a Sora wig on doesn't mean I will know you are Sora!

I think it can work really well if the cosplayer takes the time to really make sure they are easily recognizable by adding elements into the costume that make you think of the characters original costume.
I don't really see the point to it thought. If you are already putting time and money into a cosplay of a character why not just go with an established design?

the point would be to make an over-used cosplay more original, or just to have a bit of fun, unleash creativity and what-not. i'm a bit worried, on the other hand, that people will assume that i'm being lazy, by buying a wig and throwing on some clothes. y'know?

Axelai
09-07-2010, 02:22 PM
the point would be to make an over-used cosplay more original, or just to have a bit of fun, unleash creativity and what-not. i'm a bit worried, on the other hand, that people will assume that i'm being lazy, by buying a wig and throwing on some clothes. y'know?

That WILL be what they'll assume. You'll need to put a lot of effort into a casual cosplay to make it look good. And make sure you have enough elements of the original character to make it look good.

For example: Imagine, say, a character who wears a cape in the show. You know his uniform coat would end up being longer for that cape feel. Or another character who wears little clothing, you could make the uniform baggier, or with a shirt open. It needs to still reflect the character and be well made.

Otherwise, everyone will think you're being lazy, or that its a closet cosplay.

spazzerbot
09-07-2010, 02:36 PM
That WILL be what they'll assume. You'll need to put a lot of effort into a casual cosplay to make it look good. And make sure you have enough elements of the original character to make it look good.

For example: Imagine, say, a character who wears a cape in the show. You know his uniform coat would end up being longer for that cape feel. Or another character who wears little clothing, you could make the uniform baggier, or with a shirt open. It needs to still reflect the character and be well made.

Otherwise, everyone will think you're being lazy, or that its a closet cosplay.

Agreed.

You want to look like you really thought about what you were doing and put a lot of effort into it!

DevTehFiend
09-07-2010, 02:46 PM
You really do have to put a lot of thought into it. Like, I have been thinking about casual versions of a lot of characters, and how some are easier than others because I came across a website that had design students' projects that involved making everyday clothes inspired by Disney movies.

One that I'd like to try would be Princess Zelda, and something to really think about with characters like her is, she's a princess. Anything you put her in would have to look expensive and well made because her clothes in the game do look expensive and beautiful. That's not to say you can't put her in a hoodie, should you want to do something like that, but you would want to make it a hoodie that fits really well, is well made, and looks beautiful.

Axelai
09-07-2010, 03:00 PM
That WILL be what they'll assume. You'll need to put a lot of effort into a casual cosplay to make it look good. And make sure you have enough elements of the original character to make it look good.

For example: Imagine, say, a character who wears a cape in the show. You know his uniform coat would end up being longer for that cape feel. Or another character who wears little clothing, you could make the uniform baggier, or with a shirt open. It needs to still reflect the character and be well made.

Otherwise, everyone will think you're being lazy, or that its a closet cosplay.

Adding examples to clarify, since Gurren Lagann is so derp like that.

Original Kamina: http://illustratorhowto.com/images/kamina.jpg
High School Kamina: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/tengen_toppa_gurren_lagann_guren_gakuenhen/v01/c001/6.html

Yay Gurren Lagann having alternate plotlines, including a high school arc. But yeah, as you can see, his uniform reflects his character. He went from having a cape to having his school coat be super long, and unbuttoned. And his trademark belt added to his school pants.

Original Yoko: http://makieism.dasaku.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/yoko.jpg
High School Yoko: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/tengen_toppa_gurren_lagann_guren_gakuenhen/v01/c001/8.html

Like here too, she kept parts of her normal outfit that were pretty normal, then added the school uniform on top. And plus points for her boobs still somehow looking gigantic with a baggy shirt on (How the hell did she manage that?)

So i think these make good examples of adapting a character into an original outfit. Granted, these were really official manga turning them into school kids... but the creators did put thought into it. Its almost as if they translated the original outfits into what it'd look like in our world. And i think casual cosplayers should do that too. Make the casual version somewhat of a translation from anime to the real world. If that makes any sense. Then those who see you will recognize the character, AND it'll be normal enough looking that you can wear it around.

rubyspitfire
09-07-2010, 03:17 PM
i was actually working on a blog column called "what would xx wear?" basically it was just a modern day adaptation of what my chosen character would wear when not at work/school/etc, and i only did it with characters that you rarely see out of uniform. people who knew what i was going for liked it, but to non-cosplayers it was just an excuse for me to crossdress since i mainly cosplay male characters ><

Blood_Sword
09-07-2010, 03:28 PM
I think that if you put effort into creating a "casual outfit" for ____ character it could turn out good or even awesome. Make sure you take with some of the characters "trademark traits" so the overall creation wouldn't just be like "random lazy wannabe-____ (??) in closet clothes". ^^

I myself think it would be cool to "cazualize" some characters... hmmm... *starts thinking up possibilities*

Brsis
09-07-2010, 03:40 PM
I tend to go the other way (I like alternative versions, but I tend to go alternate formal/military/historical rather than alternate casual) but a well thought-out casual cosplay can be a great way to add some inexpensive versatility to your wardrobe.

For me, a bad casual version is one where I should have been able to guess who the character was, and couldn't. Being instantly recognisable in a different outfit is probably way harder than I think it is, though.

ShinobiXikyu
09-07-2010, 05:34 PM
If it's done with creativity (as an example; a school-uniform Riku. You wear the wig, do the uniform in similar colours to his pants and shirt- example, blue pants, white dress shirt but black and yellow tie-, maybe a piece of jewellery like a keyblade or a series-related accesory, or if you're skilled enough a school crest with a KH design), I like seeing it. I actually thought up (though never made) a few pyjama designs, myself (using KH as an example again, I designed Organization pyjamas for Zexion; black silk with the same sleeve cut and a bit of the nobody-symbol patterning, the top zipped up and was longer than a usual pyjama top, and a piece of silver braid on it for the coat-chains. And the normal wig)
But when someone slaps on random hot topic clothing with the character wig? Yeah, kind of lazy. I don't generally care for those.

haruhi32
09-07-2010, 05:53 PM
I'm actually doing something like this (hopefully) but instead ^^ i'm changing the outfit from her default to a steampunk design, I've only got part of the design down though at the moment....and since I'm doing something like you (though I'm making it more non-casual than before) I say go for it =3 just put your time [and lots of patience (as least for me)] into it like you would any other cosplay. just don't forget the symbols like everyone else has said, they are very important if you are going to do an adaption like this...and that was my 2 cents.

kiratsukai
09-07-2010, 06:46 PM
I think it's fine if it makes you happy. I think everything is fine if it makes you happy.

But I do take issue with dressing something up with language to be more than it is.

Most people who go this route go this route because it's easier or all they have access to at the time. Not because it's "more original". But to hear them talk about it, you'd think they put weeks and weeks of thought into the design when it's obvious they're wearing something straight from the closet or bodyline with a wig.

It is not a huge logical step to take a young character and throw them in a school uniform... or to put any human being into a pair of pajamas, jeans and a t-shirt or a maid costume.

Unless you've genuinely spent hours designing and making or putting together a genuinely original version for your character ~ call it what it is: "a closet cosplay", "the best I could do", "a casual version of XXXXX". Not what it isn't ~ ie. "an original costume".

If you didn't design the costume or any of it's elements -- it isn't original.

Do whatever you please and I'll be gracious about it :) But don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

DevTehFiend
09-07-2010, 10:41 PM
I think it's fine if it makes you happy. I think everything is fine if it makes you happy.

But I do take issue with dressing something up with language to be more than it is.

Most people who go this route go this route because it's easier or all they have access to at the time. Not because it's "more original". But to hear them talk about it, you'd think they put weeks and weeks of thought into the design when it's obvious they're wearing something straight from the closet or bodyline with a wig.

It is not a huge logical step to take a young character and throw them in a school uniform... or to put any human being into a pair of pajamas, jeans and a t-shirt or a maid costume.

Unless you've genuinely spent hours designing and making or putting together a genuinely original version for your character ~ call it what it is: "a closet cosplay", "the best I could do", "a casual version of XXXXX". Not what it isn't ~ ie. "an original costume".

If you didn't design the costume or any of it's elements -- it isn't original.

Do whatever you please and I'll be gracious about it :) But don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

I can see that being an issue. For my example, the casual Zelda, I would not just throw on some clothes and say I designed it, because I would want to put together something that no one has done before, because I would want it to be original and creative. I would make all the things I could, but because I'm not a great seamstress yet, what I couldn't, I would dye to match how I would want it (as I'm sure there isn't a jacket with the color scheme I'm thinking of.)

In other words, I agree with you. There has to be some level of creativity, along with thought and effort, but you can usually tell when a person just pulled clothes from their closet and when they actually put effort and thought into coordinating an outfit that resembles the character.

MissJava
09-08-2010, 03:02 AM
I dunno.
I wear a suit with Axel quite a bit, actually. Especially to dances or to go eat. I've even put him in a plaid shirt when we went to the mall with Roxas and Demyx. :'D

But with my Grell, his outfit's already pretty formal, so I'd never put him in a suit. It wouldn't make sense to me ...

Casual, though. I love seeing other characters in casual clothing!! :'D Especially when it's like urban wear--baggy jeans or a basketball jersey. xD I love that crap. <3

CrimsonDenizen
09-08-2010, 05:58 AM
yeah but in any variant Axel's hair is a dead giveaway. sometimes it's not that easy to guess which characters are being done- like what wa said about Sora. That hairstyle could've easily been Goku or that kid from Digimon or any number and characters with really bad hair :/

I guess it can be hard and fun at the same time. Right now we're in the process of making variant Bleach outfits, but we're trying to workout those kinks right now too, here's hoping :P

I suppose one of the best things to do is try and keep the color code the same. That could help try and identify the character or maybe try an accessory that is of that character like if you wanted to make a casual Nel from Bleach, how about wearing her skull helmet thing as a necklace piece or bracelet charm ???

UsakoLuna
09-08-2010, 08:39 AM
I did a casual xion outfit, wore a cute skirt, and tank top and carried around my keyblade. (my broke down, car repairs are more important that orgy cloaks, but I was I determined to use my christmas gift!). No one knew who I was, alot of people just called me 'cute girl w/ keyblade. I didn't care, it was fun.

MissJava
09-08-2010, 01:16 PM
@Crimson: This is true. His hair and face IS his costume, really, since they all wear the same cloak. xD

DevTehFiend
09-08-2010, 04:31 PM
I did a casual xion outfit, wore a cute skirt, and tank top and carried around my keyblade. (my broke down, car repairs are more important that orgy cloaks, but I was I determined to use my christmas gift!). No one knew who I was, alot of people just called me 'cute girl w/ keyblade. I didn't care, it was fun.

I would have added some seashell jewelry with that. XD You may still not have been recognized, but would have been a cute nod to the game considering her and Roxas were obsessed with them.

AleriaCarventus
09-08-2010, 06:38 PM
I tend to assume the same thing as characters with outfits and no wig (unless their hair is styled to match the character, naturally) - that one is just being lazy. Unless it's very interesting looking, which casual clothes usually aren't, I'd probably just glance, shrug and move on.

Also, this totally made my day.

Do whatever you please and I'll be gracious about it :) But don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

SirenaBlack
09-08-2010, 10:08 PM
Not having a wig isn't laziness, it's lack-of-money-ness.

I think if the character has a prominant hairstyle (like Axel) or if you are in a group, casual cosplay can be done and done well.

UsakoLuna
09-08-2010, 11:05 PM
Oh, I had a sea shell necklace, I made it to look like the shell from the end. Like I said, car issues = thrown together casual cosplay. My hair was short and dark already. :) my keyblade rocks though- best thing I got for christmas.
I don't care if I don't get reconized, I liked that I got called cute :)

DevTehFiend
09-09-2010, 07:37 PM
Oh, I had a sea shell necklace, I made it to look like the shell from the end. Like I said, car issues = thrown together casual cosplay. My hair was short and dark already. :) my keyblade rocks though- best thing I got for christmas.
I don't care if I don't get reconized, I liked that I got called cute :)

It sounds cute. ^^ This kind of makes me want to do a casual Aqua, especially since I may only be able to get one of my planned costumes made, which means I'd have a free day during the con to wear whatever I'd want.

Hmmmm, but what would casual Aqua wear?

KnightJeran
10-10-2010, 06:58 PM
I agree with most of what the people on here say.

As long as there is EFFORT put into it, and there are the little things that just shout out "Hello! I'm casual/highschool/whatever Sora/Naruto/etc!!!" Otherwise, its just "that person looks cool, I wonder who they are." Its not bad that someone casualizes a character, or even fails to do so, it'll just be strange when a person has to ask "who are you?"

As a defense for casualizing, even though I've never done so, some people can't afford to make/buy full cosplays and have to make due with what they have. I have friends in college who have Organization XIII wigs but no coats so they're going casual and it makes them very happy. Cosplay isn't about being accurate, its about sharing and showing you're love for a particular series or character.

It doesn't matter if they "designed it". Just creativity, unless I'm understanding "design" wrong. As long as its not just clothes that a character would NEVER wear... unless thats the point (like guys in dresses!)! Like, Naruto isn't quite gonna wear a white muscle shirt and jeans and flip flops, but he may wear an orange shirt and black burmudas, his headband with pouches, a wristband, whatever (idk, i've just seen this done??).

Sariannah
10-12-2010, 01:34 PM
hmm...what about, like, making characters all punk-esque, or...well, almost on the verge of Visual Kei? i've seen this done before, but only like...3 times. for popular series, like Kuroshitshuji or naruto...i'm sort of afraid people will like that even less then 'casual'...! >.<

UsakoLuna
10-27-2010, 03:35 PM
Ok, I think I want to re-vamp my causal Xion. My first outfit was cute, but I'm trying to think of ways to make it more recognizable. I was thinking of switching from a skirt to black pants (this is more so I don't have to fight with my stockings, which kept slipping down my legs at AB. Always make sure your garters fit. Too big is not better), and maybe making a shirt with the Org XIII symbol on it? Not sure what else to do though.

shattered-vase
10-30-2010, 11:03 PM
Yeah... I've just recently finished making a Halloweentown version of Aqua (which has been very fun to watch most of the non-KH familiar people I've seen try and guess). I don't know how obvious it is that it's Aqua- for example, I've retained the armor and the original wig, but I've changed the style of the corset, moved the cross-straps, and not had time to make a Master Eraqus symbol (which I'm going to make as a button for it when I have the time after Halloween). All the people who were familiar with Aqua who saw it knew I was going as her, though, so I'm not sure how recognizable it is otherwise.
I'll have to see how it goes down at AB'11.

supergeekgirl
11-12-2010, 10:32 AM
For me, casual versions of costumes are a good way to enjoy a Sunday but still feel like a character. Mostly, I just do "casual" versions of The Boss on Sundays and evenings at cons, usually wearing the bandanna with O/D pants, an O/D tank, and perhaps a web belt. I'm not trying to put a lot of effort into it because that's the point. It's something to toss on when I'm tired of really being in costume. Meh. That's my opinion.

Sometimes, you can do a recreation of someone else's casual design like a lot of people do for Hetalia. I've considered doing America's Obama shirt from one casual design I liked, and a lot of people do the "Hero" shirt so that they don't have to wear all of the layers underneath to a rave or whatever. One of my casual Boss costumes that I've been working on is from a fan comic called The Cobra Days. There are a ton of options, and it's really cool when you do an artwork one, and someone says, "Hey! I've seen that picture!". :)

Braithcakes
11-14-2010, 10:32 PM
I don't approve of them at all unless the actual character would wear something like it.

I've seen countless d. grayman cosplayers in like a band T and such...but...it's based in victorian times, so it's not casual, it's them in a wig.


I think if enough thought is put into it, it can come out rather nicely, but oftentimes I don't see any effort being put into it(just from in-person stuff, I've seen fantastic things online.)

Edit: also, if the character would cosplay, I think its cute if you cosplay that character cosplaying something else. Like....I cosplay Shuichi from gravitation, and I went to the final fantasy ball as him cosplaying a moogle, fun stuff.

Eun
01-04-2011, 07:31 PM
I'm thinking of doing this for AX this year. This year, I plan on going with a bit more casual crowd such as my school friends and I want to walk around not having to be exposed or dragging a super long train around so I was thinking of doing a hime-gyaru of Rikku from Final Fantasy X-2. However, I was afraid of what people would think... I do plan on doing things such as making a new headband with a moogle face and other things to dangle in it (the more decora the better? Aha!) to replace her normal blue headband and really extravagant with the styling of the clothes yet still "casual". Maybe even small face jewelry that you see gyarus wear. I mean she already has a ton of dress spheres, this is somewhat... plausible... Well not really but I really want to do it. I just don't want to wear her overdone dress spheres not to mention prance around in a bikini top nor do I really want to wear a body suit in the middle of summer. I know that some may look down on it as me being lazy (which is I guess partly true) however I'll give my all to the styling and it's a design that I've put a lot of thought in to and I know I'll enjoy walking around in it. You see girls in lolita or decora walking around big cons like that anyways, it's essentially just combining two outfits for one day. Ahahaha!

toshirua3846384
01-07-2011, 07:28 PM
well, i don't really know what to call it, but what do you guys think about taking a character, and cosplaying as them in a different enviornment? (e.g, School Uniforms, formal clothing, casual outfits, ect...) i was thinking about doing this, but i need to consider the reactions of others, and the issue of recognization. opinions?

I don't think its such a big issue especially if you put time and effort into your cosplays and not just wear some un-styled wig with a hollister shirt. I actually like casual cosplays as well as art book cosplays better than i do actual cosplays. i guess its because it gives a realistic type of finesse to it. Also if you need actual anime series that have loads of casual clothes i can name a few well known ones.

Bleach -especially their art books have them in "shibuya style" type clothing

Lovely complex- when they are not wearing a gym uniform, they were various types of
clothing on their off time (even during summer school) this includes really cute hairstyles

Peach girl- shes wears a few during the summer

i could put more but that can take some time ^ x ^ best wishes though

Yukikittie
01-09-2011, 02:53 PM
I've done it before, and see no problem with it.

xNaoi
02-03-2011, 08:53 AM
I actually plan on doing a casual version of a character as well. I just ordered a nice wig and a ring that the character wears. I'm actually making the casual cosplay off of a picture I saw someone had drawn. It's kinda like a halloween picture, actually I think it is. I'll be wearing a ripped up orange shirt that has a short, black sleeveless shirt underneath with regular black pants and some black boots. I'm also in the process of making the Jack-in-the-box thing that the character typically carries around, which is tricky ^^

So, you can easily look like a character in casual clothing and make it look like you just threw it together that morning. All that you really need to do is make some props that the character would usually have, or like mentioned earlier, turn small props into even smaller props, like a necklace. It shows that you atleast put some effort into the cosplay and didn't just make it up a few hours ago.

Sisshi
02-17-2011, 03:17 PM
If you actually put thought into it not just throw on a wig with something else it's half-assed.

For my casual!Belarus I took her original design in thought. From her different outfits she has I figure she's a conservative dresser and dresses for freezing weather in Russia. Older designs for her had her dress black. I utilized my calf-length black skirt that flares a bit and my simple black boots which may be used for her military getup later. I purchased a black sweater and white turtle neck and layered them, took some suede cord and tied it in a bow around my neck. I didnt' have moeny to buy a wig yet (I will have one soon) so I used my own hair and put a large black bow in it. To add a little effect, I used teh leftover craft foam from making a spear and made a knife.

sephygoth
02-22-2011, 01:48 PM
casualizing means putting more or less effort into the overall character?
if less, then you're doing it to save time/money, then what are you really doing it for?
Not a fan of diluting a character like that myself.... to make them public-fit or lazy unless it's been done somewhere somehow, and only after honoring the original.

k2thyme
02-24-2011, 06:51 PM
It can kind of go both way for casual cosplay.

On one end of the scale, some people throw on stuff from their closet and a wig that sort of looks like the character and says "Hey, I'm [insert generic character name here]!"

Then there are people like behindinfinity and evil-uke-sora (both on deviantart) who put so much effort into making sure that both the characters are recongnizable and also reflect's the character's personality that they look amazing even in the street clothing.

It's also more appropriate in certian place.
Eg.)
appropriate: photoshoots, fun day with friends;
not appropriate: cosplay competitions, masqurades ect... you get the idea.

Even for characters who's normal outfits look like street clothes, like L from Death Note. You will go to a con and see a hundred people all dressed in blue jean, a white shirt, messy black hair and make-up underneath their eyes.

You will only see a few who got the details right, the color and style of the jeans, a long sleeve white shirt with no detailing except for a hem on the neckline, sleeves and bottom, a well-styled wig, and under eye make-up that makes them look like they really need some ambien instead of just slapping some eyeliner on.

It's all the amount of effort that you put into it.