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BloodOfAutumn
03-08-2011, 10:27 PM
So I 'm not really a photographer, i just take pictures for my friends, and they turn out pretty nice. This photo was supposed to be a joke photo, but then the light from the sun turned it into something epic, and my friends thought it looked nice, so one of them brushed it up a little.
What do you guys think?

http://www.cosplay.com/photo/2865661/

Akahime
03-09-2011, 09:38 AM
This is quite beautiful. =) I say the more accidental shots you make, the better you learn how to take a shot because you'll know what works and what doesn't work. This is so good, something from the game if I didn't know better. The angle gives such a dramatic atmosphere and the amount of darkness in the photo sets the mood and setting that it is something of the Dirge of Cerberus game.

SOooo....! =) Excellent job. You should continue since I totally see a photography future in you.

Ashurachan
03-09-2011, 10:17 AM
What you should learn is not Photoshop... What you should learn is : how to make such a shot not by chance, but by planning it - composition, exposure, lighting.

BloodOfAutumn
03-09-2011, 01:17 PM
@Akahime: Thanks :) i 'm really considering it!

@Ashurachan: You're right, photoshop really doesn't help you with anything, it's within your own skill to make something that's ordinary into something that's epic. Thanks so much :)

Rock nam Lee
03-09-2011, 10:22 PM
Just like Ashurachan said. The photo is definitely cool with a nice mood to it.
Next time around, see if you can replicate that shot, study it and learn!

Rander
03-11-2011, 12:01 AM
Well you are by definition a photographer b/c you take pictures, but if you want to get better like Ashurachan says by planning and getting good shots that's a whole different story.

If you like making a shot vs taking a shot, then I would say go all in. Learn the basics until you can repeat this shot on several occasions with different lighting conditions. If you like being systematic about the process then you can learn more, if it's too tedious go back to to being a casual photog. Its really up to you and what you like to do and what your learning/working style is.

Eriol
03-11-2011, 01:27 PM
If you are serious about photography, please pick up the book "Understanding Exposure, 3rd Edition: How to Shoot Great Photographs with Any Camera" by Bryan Peterson. It's inexpensive and educates you about the basics about aperture, shutter speed, ISO, and other things about how camera exposure works. Once you know what those things are, you might be able to use a piece of software to examine the "EXIF" data in that image. It should hopefully contain information about aperture, shutter speed, and ISO, and all that. From there, you can start putting the pieces together. The image you posted to cosplay.com does not have that information, so it looks like it was taken out.

CrimsonDenizen
03-12-2011, 06:02 AM
I say everyone is right :P

It would be nice to become a better photog, but at the same time the image looks great the way you all added to it. So, if you wanna gain a better knowledge of photography and experiment with Photoshop a bit do both. Take the advice given, but just have your own definition of fun.

BloodOfAutumn
03-14-2011, 05:13 PM
Thanks a lot everyone! Though i 'm not very interested in photography as i am in modeling for the photographer, so if i may, i 'll use all the info given for my friends who want or needs help with photography :) i just wanted opinions on the photo lol sorry for the waste of time!

levelsixtyseven
04-05-2011, 11:30 PM
@Akahime: Thanks :) i 'm really considering it!

@Ashurachan: You're right, photoshop really doesn't help you with anything, it's within your own skill to make something that's ordinary into something that's epic. Thanks so much :)

I'd have to disagree to an extent with Ashurachan. Photoshop DOES help you. Skill in camera and skill in editing comes both hand and hand.

If a photo looks cheap because of photoshop effects then the person obviously doesn't know how to use photoshop to it's benefits.

brucer007
04-06-2011, 03:28 AM
I agree with levelsixtyseventhat learning photoshop can help you. Just like traditional photography used various film choices and darkroom techniques to give a photo a certain look, photoshop can give you extentions of possibilities of what the raw images from the camera can be in the end result.

Your photo does look very impressive. Shooting the back of a model is rarely done, so I give you much credit for doing that; especially since you did it with such professional flair and dramatics. Most non-photographers would have exposed for the person, making him much brighter, but you let the subject go dark and mysterious, while bringing in the bright details of ominous grey clouds and mountains. The muted red cape draws the eye, since it has more color saturation than otherwise greyish elements, without being too harsh or bombastic. Even the tall, slim cropping is quite rare and innovative.

I think this is a piece I would be proud of if it were mine.

Ashurachan
04-06-2011, 09:04 AM
I'd have to disagree to an extent with Ashurachan. Photoshop DOES help you. Skill in camera and skill in editing comes both hand and hand.

If a photo looks cheap because of photoshop effects then the person obviously doesn't know how to use photoshop to it's benefits.

Of course Photoshop helps in enhancing photos.
One thing Photoshop can compensate for, to some extent, is bad exposure. Especially when shooting RAW.
Photoshop can also help reframing, which can help composition, but a bad angle is a bad angle, and cut limbs are cut limbs...
Also, light can be tweaked with a bit, but Photoshop cannot magically replace light sources you lacked when taking the photo. I'm not just talking about strobes here, but also about how to use natural light (for example : when in midday, shooting in the shade rather than right under the sun gives better results)

I'm not someone who will blame Photoshop users... I do think good post-processing can bring a lot to a well taken photo, but when you don't have anything worthy to begin with, it can't magically create nice photos for you. I have been a crappy photographer for long enough to know that a bad shot stays a bad shot, whatever your Photoshop skill.
So I say : learn to compose an image, learn to use your camera, learn to read light. Post-processing comes after all that.

levelsixtyseven
04-06-2011, 10:10 AM
well then I'm glad we're all on the same page on the usage of photoshop.

The thread creator I felt had a misinterpretation of photoshop. Learn from Ashurachan & Brucer007! They just made great explanations on using photoshop.

BloodOfAutumn
04-06-2011, 10:22 PM
Thanks everyone :) I 've decided to learn, but at a slow pace, so then I 'll have time for many other things, just in case this doesn't work out for me well. It's happened enough for me to be cautious.

You all have been very helpful :)

brucer007
04-11-2011, 02:49 PM
.......Photoshop cannot magically replace light sources you lacked when taking the photo. I'm not just talking about strobes here, but also about how to use natural light (for example : when in midday, shooting in the shade rather than right under the sun gives better results)

I'm not someone who will blame Photoshop users... I do think good post-processing can bring a lot to a well taken photo, but when you don't have anything worthy to begin with, it can't magically create nice photos for you.

Actually, Photoshop can add light sources that were not there when taking the photo.
If you go to the Filter menu, then find Render, then choose Lighting Effects, you can add lighting that did not exist when you took the photo. Of course it does not fully replicate or replace having lights when you took the photo, but you can do some dramatic modifications to your images.

I find any time of day can have great lighting. Even mid-day shooting can be fine, if the pose and angle is considered carefully to get great lighting. Since the sun will be nearly directly over-head, having the cosplayer's face tilted way up can produce great hightlights on the face, in a very pleasing way. Consider if your angle works well by trying either a profile, front straight-on, 3/4 angle, or even from behind.

Also, you could try the face down so the face is in complete shadow with no direct sunlight hitting the nose. Silver, gold, or white reflectors can enhance this lighting.

Yes. Of course, good post processing can enhance well taken photos, but it also, in some situations, can change what seems like a "horribly taken photo" into a "work of art".

TykeJack
04-11-2011, 07:18 PM
Actually, Photoshop can add light sources that were not there when taking the photo.
If you go to the Filter menu, then find Render, then choose Lighting Effects, you can add lighting that did not exist when you took the photo. Of course it does not fully replicate or replace having lights when you took the photo, but you can do some dramatic modifications to your images.".

I was going to correct this as well. Photoshop can add simulated light to an image. Take the Showcase image of the girl holding the lantern. It's evident that the star effect of the lantern was added in post, but the photographer could have taken it further by making it a source of light for the image (that's how I know the lantern effect is post because it's not generating any light on the girl). The current light setup looks like a single light source off to the right of the image, with photoshop, you could have made the lantern a light source which would have removed all the shadows from her face and have her well lit near the lantern and use a radial gradient to make it darker the farther you got from the lantern. Granted this would take some creative and tedious masking in removing the hard shadows, but adding light sources in photoshop can be done.

danielvutran
04-14-2011, 02:59 AM
Dude. That's a shot of Vincent from FF7:AC.

/compliment lol

BloodOfAutumn
04-14-2011, 03:48 PM
Haha I 'm glad it fools some people into thinking it really is from one of the CGIs :D so honored

Miss Tomyo
05-17-2011, 12:30 AM
I understand that its supposed to be dark, but there was so much focused on the bottom that I felt it took your eyes away from the subject. Regardless, its still a nice picture.

SNTP
07-15-2011, 11:13 AM
I like this shot alot! It has space at the bottom, that I almost expect it to be a movie poster. Like "Dirge of Cerebrus coming July 2012" or something like that. Nice work!

ShinatoAzure
07-15-2011, 05:58 PM
Very nice shot, only thing I can suggest if you're still wanting to brush it up is to smooth out the gauntlet and try to add more colour to just the red and gold to really contrast the bleak surroundings for impact.