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Doctor Shinobi
05-27-2011, 01:11 PM
Oh hey! i've just come here to whine a little about my current cosplay in process. some of you may wonder what's the point of this thread. well, i simply want to share what i am going through right now,and see what's people's opinion. this is going to be LONG

so the story is like this : i am working on a Code Geass Lancelot cosplay (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YiwpW_BEVUI/SwsEgRYyfMI/AAAAAAAAAAU/8-fxUVk3c-o/s1600/lancelot.gif),and i am pretty much an unexperienced cosplayer.
i am unexperienced because this is my second cosplay(my first one being angemon). when i decided i'll do a Lancelot cosplay,everyone,including my best friends told me(and some mocked) that i have absolutely no chance to succeed doing it,and that even if i will manage to do so,it will probably be a fail,ugly cosplay. i simply answered with "ha! experience? i don't need experience. i've got the internet as my experience".
this gave me even more motivation to create this cosplay,not just for the purpose of the fun in doing so,but so i could also prove everyone was wrong and i was right(yeah childish,but come on! anyone would have felt like this).

i've had a lot of confidence that i could do this,because lately i have learned a lot about cosplay techniques and materials thanks to this site and the internet generally. i thought(and still thinking) that why would i need experience if the people here have done all those mistakes themselves,and shared their experience so i could learn from their mistakes?

anyway, i thought the hardest part would be the pattern drafting. so far i've done great job drafting all those patterns myself,and learned quite a bit about drafting patterns while working on this cosplay. but as soon as the actual building part started,that's when i've started having trouble.
i find myself recutting the same part again and again because each time something else goes wrong! in first time i put the vinyl wrong,and now pretty much my measurements always seem to be a half centimeter wrong,which forces me to recreate that shape again and again! even though generally my patterns are right(and they are,trust me),they don't work right because of reasons like the craft foam being too flexible,hence it can't stay in a perfect rectangle shape it needs to be.

i've been working on that for 2 days straight now,and i am starting to feel like i want to quit cosplay. i am so confused now about whether i was wrong and everyone were right saying that i can't do this... but i know i can! i've managed to draft all those patterns myself,so why am i having such a hard time assembling the cosplay? this is supposed to be the easy part!

being stuck for 2 days on this part makes it all feel like such a hassle... i don't want to quit cosplay. i LOVE making cosplays! i've had a ton of fun making my angemon cosplay(which i never got to wear btw,but that's another story). i am so confused >< am i even a real cosplayer at heart? i claim to love making cosplays,yet this cosplay so far makes me feel like i am going crazy!
i am getting nervous that i won't finish the cosplay in time,and that i'll end up spending really a lot of money because of those mistakes that i can't seem to solve.

anyway,sorry for this blog style emo whining thread. i felt a need to let it out,and this was just the best place. if anyone who has read through all this has anything to say,then please, i really want to hear it!

benihime
05-27-2011, 02:01 PM
i think this could have gone under cosplay pet peeves instead of making a whole new thread

~daisysakura~
05-27-2011, 03:49 PM
^Or maybe one of the help forums. I've never made one of these types of costumes before so I dunno how much someone could help over the Internet, but at least advice is better than venting (no matter how good it feels lol).

Don't give up! Do you know anyone irl who could help you/be your mentor or assistant? Is there an easier way you could do this or maybe a shortcut? Can you use methods you've previously used for this (assuming you've used these materials before)? Remember, it's only been 2 days. Hopefully, you have more time before the debut.

Doctor Shinobi
05-27-2011, 04:11 PM
^Or maybe one of the help forums. I've never made one of these types of costumes before so I dunno how much someone could help over the Internet, but at least advice is better than venting (no matter how good it feels lol).

Don't give up! Do you know anyone irl who could help you/be your mentor or assistant? Is there an easier way you could do this or maybe a shortcut? Can you use methods you've previously used for this (assuming you've used these materials before)? Remember, it's only been 2 days. Hopefully, you have more time before the debut.
i actually have 3 months until the con. generally that's a lot of time,but seeing how really slowly i've progressed these last 2 days, i won't make it if i'll continue to progress like this(i also work 3 days a week).
unfortunately, i don't have anyone who could mentor me. and i don't expect anyone to actually manage to help me with this cosplay XD it would be quite hard to help me over the internet with those problems. i think i'll go to bed now and continue tomorrow morning.

anyway,this thread is kind of pointless since it really is just a whine thread and could have been posted in the pet peeves thread,then let me make this more defined : do you think i should have waited with this cosplay until i could get more experience?

Yumei
05-27-2011, 05:08 PM
I don't think this thread is pointless. It brings up many points and issues. Such who has ever had someone tell them they couldn't pull off a cosplay? Have you ever been driven to prove someone wrong by doing a cosplay they said you couldn't? Who here somtimes questions if they can call themselves a real cosplayer? Who has ever been stuck on a cosplay they were doing and about to give up? Do you let slow progress get you down? How do you deal with slow progress and wanting to give up? etc....etc...
I've had all these similar issues myself as I'm sure most cosplayers new and old have!
Help can come from those over the internet. You can list what materials you are using and get advice from others who have used silmilar materials. Often the EXACT step by step instructions are not listed in tutorials. They might have done something just a bit diffrent to get their materials to move they way they do and didn't think it was important to mention. Maybe it was just luck the way they did it came out right....for them anyways. I think your on the right track with trial and error and by planning far in advance. I'm sure there are some people on here who have done similar costumes and wouldn't mind giving you some tips and advice. Maybe a pic of whats happening when you shap it can help someone help you figure it out! I always see threads of people asking for help on their cosplays. I have never done a cosplay like this but I am about to start one myself right now I'm in the gathering of material part.

harmonyisarine
05-27-2011, 05:12 PM
I always found assembling to be the hard part, and also whether or not you should have waited seems to be irrelevant. I had two cases like yours working on my last cosplay (all sewing/leatherworking), and I'm pretty experienced with the techniques I was using. Sometimes it just doesn't work out because you're too close to it. My best advice would be to step back. Take a few days to a week off. Try not to think about it, and if you do, don't dwell on it. If you get an idea to fix it, jot it down and walk away. Then, when your allotted time is up, go back. If you still have trouble and feel you could use more experience, shelf the project and pick it up after you've done a few simpler pieces.

Doctor Shinobi
05-28-2011, 06:02 AM
I don't think this thread is pointless. It brings up many points and issues. Such who has ever had someone tell them they couldn't pull off a cosplay? Have you ever been driven to prove someone wrong by doing a cosplay they said you couldn't? Who here somtimes questions if they can call themselves a real cosplayer? Who has ever been stuck on a cosplay they were doing and about to give up? Do you let slow progress get you down? How do you deal with slow progress and wanting to give up? etc....etc...
I've had all these similar issues myself as I'm sure most cosplayers new and old have!
Help can come from those over the internet. You can list what materials you are using and get advice from others who have used silmilar materials. Often the EXACT step by step instructions are not listed in tutorials. They might have done something just a bit diffrent to get their materials to move they way they do and didn't think it was important to mention. Maybe it was just luck the way they did it came out right....for them anyways. I think your on the right track with trial and error and by planning far in advance. I'm sure there are some people on here who have done similar costumes and wouldn't mind giving you some tips and advice. Maybe a pic of whats happening when you shap it can help someone help you figure it out! I always see threads of people asking for help on their cosplays. I have never done a cosplay like this but I am about to start one myself right now I'm in the gathering of material part.
thank you for this comment =]
not really sure its a problem anyone could help me with. it is like each time i recut that shape i need, i am always somehow 0.5 centimeter off somewhere,which completly forces me to recut the shape again. it's so annoying that such a small error means the shape is bad.

the shape i am trying to create is this bracer like thing :
http://i53.tinypic.com/opu0sn.png
and its pattern :
http://i54.tinypic.com/2rpznfa.png

the problem is with the smaller arcs. if they are too short,then the part can't be inserted over the base cylinder which covers the arm. if the arcs are too big,then the edges are exposed,and it just looks really bad.
T___T

I always found assembling to be the hard part, and also whether or not you should have waited seems to be irrelevant. I had two cases like yours working on my last cosplay (all sewing/leatherworking), and I'm pretty experienced with the techniques I was using. Sometimes it just doesn't work out because you're too close to it. My best advice would be to step back. Take a few days to a week off. Try not to think about it, and if you do, don't dwell on it. If you get an idea to fix it, jot it down and walk away. Then, when your allotted time is up, go back. If you still have trouble and feel you could use more experience, shelf the project and pick it up after you've done a few simpler pieces.
too close to it? what do you mean O: ?

Kiichigo
05-28-2011, 06:29 AM
I don't think this thread is pointless. It brings up many points and issues. Such who has ever had someone tell them they couldn't pull off a cosplay? Have you ever been driven to prove someone wrong by doing a cosplay they said you couldn't? Who here somtimes questions if they can call themselves a real cosplayer? Who has ever been stuck on a cosplay they were doing and about to give up? Do you let slow progress get you down? How do you deal with slow progress and wanting to give up? etc....etc...



But we already have MANY threads covering those subjects!

Gypsyangelf4i
05-28-2011, 07:47 AM
Hmmm, not an armor expert, but you said you went from drafting to cutting vinyl. Did you do a cardboard mock up first? There's no short cuts with a project this big. Always, always,always do a mock up. I hold the pieces together with painters tape so it comes apart without damaging my mock-up, then use the mock up as the stencil for the final product. This way you can add or take away card board as needed without having to start all over.

Have you found any YouTube videos on this subject? They're always super helpful.

Keep in mind that this is a wonderful learning experience. Every mistake just teaches you a new way of how not to do something. If you get frustrated, walk away...sleep on it if you must. Some of my best problem solving ideas have come to me when I walked away from a piece for awhile. You could also move to working on a different part of the armor and come back to the offending piece when feeling more confident.

Chances are, even after you're all done, you'll still learn better ways of doing it in the future. Try not to be too much of a perfectionist. This is supposed to be for fun....remember?

Doctor Shinobi
05-28-2011, 10:08 AM
Hmmm, not an armor expert, but you said you went from drafting to cutting vinyl. Did you do a cardboard mock up first? There's no short cuts with a project this big. Always, always,always do a mock up. I hold the pieces together with painters tape so it comes apart without damaging my mock-up, then use the mock up as the stencil for the final product. This way you can add or take away card board as needed without having to start all over.

Have you found any YouTube videos on this subject? They're always super helpful.

Keep in mind that this is a wonderful learning experience. Every mistake just teaches you a new way of how not to do something. If you get frustrated, walk away...sleep on it if you must. Some of my best problem solving ideas have come to me when I walked away from a piece for awhile. You could also move to working on a different part of the armor and come back to the offending piece when feeling more confident.

Chances are, even after you're all done, you'll still learn better ways of doing it in the future. Try not to be too much of a perfectionist. This is supposed to be for fun....remember?
i did try making a prototype using thick paper. but the craft foam is just thicker than that paper and is harder to give it a rectangular shape than paper. this is one of the reasons i am fighting with this piece for 3 days now ><

harmonyisarine
05-28-2011, 07:53 PM
I mean that sometimes the more you work on something, the more frustrated you get (even if you feel level-headed), and the more mistakes you end up making. Working on another costume, or another part of this one, and then going back to it in a few days might help give your mind a break and refresh. ^_^

Technowraith
05-28-2011, 08:08 PM
I think you may be better off choosing a simpler project.

doxiequeen1
05-28-2011, 08:44 PM
I hope you won't take this the wrong way, but perhaps you have bitten off more than you can chew. A costume like that is extremely difficult, even for experienced cosplayers.

You can learn a lot from other peoples mistakes, but that doesn't make it less difficult. Just like sewing a very hard pattern, just because everything should go right, mistakes are easily made. Which is why you generally start with a simple pattern, and build up to more complicated things.

In the end you'll be spending a lot of money on this, so you might want to consider putting this costume aside for a while, and working on improving your costuming skills. It would just be a shame to put so much effort into this and not have it work out.

So, I'm not saying you should give up, but perhaps you need to start with something smaller.

rubyspitfire
05-29-2011, 12:18 AM
i'm going to be completely non-helpful here and just say that if the above photos is yours, you're doing an AWESOME job. keep going and don't give up!

Doctor Shinobi
05-29-2011, 12:45 AM
i'm going to be completely non-helpful here and just say that if the above photos is yours, you're doing an AWESOME job. keep going and don't give up!
no that's not me XD its one of the reference photos i've collected(i do aim my cosplay to be as good as the one in the picture btw).

harmonyisarine - i tried that,and it helped ;D i've managed now to finish the piece(too bad i need to make it again for the other arm XD). thanks ^_^

doxiequeen1 - the thing is, i am not even sure my problem is the experience. though i do have to admit the experience i gained now should make me able to do the next bracer in one shot.

Fabulousity
05-29-2011, 01:05 AM
I say if you take it slow, and research everything thoroughly, with enough time you could do it. Granted, it might take a year or more, but it's better to go slow and have an epic cosplay, than to rush and wind up being mocked on 4chan and fail blog.

Doctor Shinobi
05-29-2011, 01:14 AM
I say if you take it slow, and research everything thoroughly, with enough time you could do it. Granted, it might take a year or more, but it's better to go slow and have an epic cosplay, than to rush and wind up being mocked on 4chan and fail blog.
oh i am not worrying about that XD i've seen a few pictures of bad Lancelot cosplays,and i am definitely sure i can do better than them. and so far i have been researching. i've collected a lot of photos of good(and bad) Lancelot cosplays,learning from both what i should do and not do. i've learned about the vinyl over foam super secret ninja technique and went with it.
i am trying to NOT take it slow,yet do research and make the cosplay as accurate and good looking as possible.