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BIOJECT
11-28-2003, 12:33 PM
I've been spending months trying to enlighten my friends that crossplaying is awesome and that it takes balls to dress up as the opposite sex. They reply that they still won't hang with me during the expo and that I still would be gay. Now I really don't want any offense taken from this topic because I have no problem with gays. It's just... well... every guy I've seen on this board who does crossplay is and well it doesn't help when your trying to get your friends to support you for doing something out of the ordinary.

BIOJECT
11-28-2003, 12:41 PM
Oh and on a rating from 1-10, how do you like my Deedlit gif? She's the character I'm going to crossplay as. My friends think I'm not feminine enough to play the character but I consider that part of the challenge.

projectanime
11-28-2003, 12:44 PM
I love your deedlit! Loddoss War was a really great series, and I haven't seen too many Deedlit's out there. I can't wait to see your completed costume!

As for all crossplayers being gay, I really don't know too much about that, as I don't know many crossplayers. But anyway, more power to you! I have nothing against crossplaying, as long as its tastefully done. Perhaps once you've done it your friends will warm up to the idea. It may just be so new to them that they're afraid to accept it and therefore reject it.

~ProjectAnime~

BIOJECT
11-28-2003, 01:07 PM
I was referring more to the people on the crossplay forum. (I accidently posted this in the wrong forum lol) ALL of the guys I've seen on there admit they are gay.

dani
11-28-2003, 01:30 PM
> Why does it seem like only gays crossplay?

Just plain old stereotyping and prejudice.

> They reply that they still won't hang with me during the expo and that I still would be gay for some reason.

It's not your friends who can tell you if you are gay or not. That only you can assess.

And if they don't want to hang out with someone that "looks" gay (by their standards) they surely wouldn't hang out with someone who happened to actually BE gay, and that means THEY are the ones with a problem.

Don't let their bigotry dictate your actions.

Dani

Mizuno Tenshi
11-28-2003, 02:11 PM
I've been spending months trying to enlighten my friends that crossplaying is awesome and that it takes balls to dress up as the opposite sex. They reply that they still won't hang with me during the expo and that I still would be gay for some reason. Now I really don't want any offense taken from this topic because I have no problem with gays, It's just... well... every guy I've seen on this board who does crossplay is and it doesn't help when your trying to get your friends to support you for doing something out of the ordinary.

Umm... I'm not gay.... Menchi isn't gay... Merle-kun isn't gay (he's quite desperate for a girl, actually! ~_^)... Jazon Bladen isn't gay...
Some of us are a little bit more androgynous and femme, but not gay.
Come to think of it, I can't really think of any guy crossplayers on here who ARE gay. The one obviously gay one is hesistant about crossplay, actually...

Tenshi

Lyn
11-28-2003, 03:17 PM
And there's also Will...uh...don't remember his cosplay.com username but he did a skit at Otakon where he was crossplaying as Sakura from CardCaptor Sakura and the first thing he said was "Let's get one thing straight. I am not gay. I like girls. A lot. I like them so much, I sometimes dress up like them." I thought that was a very good quote for those non-gay crossplayers.

Now, quite honestly, I see an equal amount of both non-gay and gay crossplayers. I've conversed at cons and on the boards with plenty on both ends. Both guys and girls alike. So far I really can't say that either sexuality is dominant. And I also think it really shouldn't matter.

DigitalShin
11-28-2003, 09:38 PM
I belive that would be uneducated stereotypes that people make.

Sipesh
11-28-2003, 09:43 PM
Well if your lame "friends" won't hang out with you at cons, then come with us!!!
It's sorta sad that a girl can go as a male character and no one says a thing, but male crossplayers get crap dished to them. I think that really sucks. The only time I get upset with males crossplaying is when they make way prettier girls than I, hehe.

Gren
11-28-2003, 11:28 PM
I don't know a single gay crossplayer... I know a few girls who are bi... but many many more who are straight.

It's just blind prejudice to think "Oh, he's wearing a pink frilly skirt, and attempting to fool people into thinking he is a woman. Obviously this would be because he likes the boys"

As a matter of fact, I think cross dressing is one of the most illogical things a gay man could ever do to get men's attention. The gay men won't be interested, and the straight ones can only be fooled to the point of undressing, tops.

LunarYoma
11-29-2003, 01:26 AM
I've been spending months trying to enlighten my friends that crossplaying is awesome and that it takes balls to dress up as the opposite sex. They reply that they still won't hang with me during the expo and that I still would be gay. Now I really don't want any offense taken from this topic because I have no problem with gays. It's just... well... every guy I've seen on this board who does crossplay is and well it doesn't help when your trying to get your friends to support you for doing something out of the ordinary.

It seems to be that your socalled "friends" are bigoted & homophobic. If your 'friends' think anyone who is different is gay, then what someone despises the most they are most likely are to be.

I wouldnt call the 'friends' you got here friends at all. A friend is suppose to be there for you & back you up no matter what happens.


No person can just suddenly become gay. You cannot suddenly change who you are attracted to at the drop of a hat. You either are gay or you are not.


Guys who try to be hyper masculine are trying to hide something or make up for something.
All humans display masculine & feminine traits. some display more of one that the other.
Western society has come to the point where society trys to fit all males with nothing but masculine traits & as uncaring, unfeeling throwbacks of our ancestors(ie cave men). All of the males who feel that they must hide something(a weakness they see in themselves) tend to become over/hyper masculine in an attempt to hide what they see as weaknesses. This trend has been carried on for decades where little boys are indocrinated to think that displaying any emotions at all(like love, feeling, crying, etc..) is a sign of weakness & attributed to them being girls.

Attributing males to open displays of feelings is severly punished(peer pressure) by the other males around them. If the lone males carries on with displaying feelings, they are seen as being a girl or being gay. Most learn to control their feelings to show the minimal amount of feelings to fit in.

The womens movement has been extremely successful here in america(but it still gots a long ways to go). Men do not think much about girls displaying alot of masculine traits. They are seen as tomboys. They can wear what ever they want, but if a man happens decide to wear a dress cause he likes it, most of the males react:Oh no watch out, he's becoming gay. We better go beat his ass to teach him a lesson so he doesnt act like a girl.



Because of all this shit happening i was set back emotionally by at least 10 years. Growing up I hated sports. The only thing i was good at(& had interest in) was volley ball, but my high school didnt have a mens volley ball team. So sports for me was out of the picture. When i was a teenager i was emotionally retarded till i was about 18. Only friend i truly could call a friend was my cousin( & we had each other backs no matter what happened. we fought like hell till i was about 15, but if you fucked with one of us you had to deal with the other.), i had absolute zero social skills around girls & around guys my social skills were slightly better(but still sucked). I never had any girls for friends growing up, i only made friends with the boys

My social ability improved greatly when i was 18. Upto this point i hade been in contact with a girl over e-mail & the phone for about 3 years before we even met face to face. When we did finally meet, because we already formed an emotional bond to one another, we hooked up & i had my first GF. We went out for about 9 months & then she moved away. This incident in itself proved a wonderfull ego boost in my self confidence.

A couple of weeks later another girl found interest in me. she said i was cute. it sucked cause she was 15 & i was 19 at the time. Major Jail Bait. Over the corse of the next 3 months, i was finally blomising emotionally & i became friends with a girl. She lived 5 houses away from me & we went to all the same schools since first grade. I was falling in love with her & then it was time for my senior graduation from high school. Then she moved away which sucked.

Growing up i was a very with drawn person & had trouble making friends. Only reason me & my cousin have each other backs(ie what best friends are suppose to do) growing up is because we are blood kin, if it wasnt for him i wound have been more lonely that what i was growing up. Im surprised that i was never depressed, or suicidal at all growing up. My child hood was ok, & my teenage years were ok. not great, just ok.

Today i still have massive trouble making friends with women. Only way i have been able to acomplish any long lasting friend ships with women at all is because of the internet.

I have concluded that if i was in a more of an open environment growing up(ie where the displaying of feelings was ok & i wouldnt have suffered from displaying my feeling by the commonality of peer pressure of the other boys), then i could have had a little more selfconfidence & a much much higher self asteem in myself in my teenager years.


Right now i am just starting to display my feelings out open in public view & i am 24 years old now. The only reason it is happening now is because of the death of a good friend about 10 months ago who i worked with. I have come to consider him like he was family to me. His death jolted me somewhat out of my shell.

Through out all this(ie having trouble dealing with girls & only making friends with males) i never once was attracted to men at all. Right now i am getting my own sense of style in what i like to wear, taking care of myself physically(eating right, staying healthy, etc...). I have always been attracted to girls since well before i went through puberty.

I did my first crossplay 3 months ago ( http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=81148&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=1 ) & the feeling i got was extremely...liberating. I then decided to do something else for halloween ( http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=91858&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=1 ) & i loved every minute. I even got mistaken for a woman by alot of people on halloween. i didnt even think i would even pass remotely, but i did to alot of people. I had this as an alternate costume for halloween( http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=94469&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=1 more pics in my gallery) but i didnt wear it.




I try to be androgenous in my appearance. Emotionally my masculine traits are not very strong(but threaten me or my family & i become extremely agressive & dominate) & have not been since i was born, my feminine traits(displaying emotions & saying to yourself it is ok to feel & not to be an emotionless drone) are now only coming to the surface.

Right now i am mostly satisfied with myself now. Feeling sexy(& even having people say i look sexy) when i crossplay is an awsome ego boost for me. I love it & will continue to crossplay in the future for as long as i can. It sure is hell alot of more fun than cosplaying male characters.

Just because i like feminine things, or display my emotions, does no way in hell make me gay(ie attracted to males). I find nothing attractive about a guy looking like a wookie naked or them sweating & not keeping themselves clean. The Fat hairy beer belly guys are a worse turn off than the skinny guys or weight lifters.

Right now I see myself as being mentally & emotionally superior to just about every single guy i come across. Most of the guys i know are very masculine to hyper masculine, practically uncaring to those around them. I see those types of guys as throwbacks to a bygone era.

I wish the world was full of men who could openly display their emotions in public like women do, then maybe the world would be a better place. Homophobia then would surely be a thing of the past.

DarkindDreamer
11-29-2003, 03:51 AM
i agree totally with Gren, myself being a gay male and having doing crossplay and drag for over 2 years i know the story and drag to get another males atention is the craziest idea i've heard of, although i have seen it.. *shivers* most gay men want nothing to do with a girl much less anything that LOOKS like one, you might be able to suprise a straight guy and get killed or excite a bisexual guy.. but other than that umm.. no..

myself.. i do drag as a means to let out my female side, no deferent than why a striaght male would. it gives me a chance to let out other emotions and be someone defent and not have to worry about what's going on in my life cause at the point i'm not me.. i'm her. i also do it to fool people which is a total blast. exspecially when someone thinks your a chcik think you drop your voice to a normal tone and stretch your nec to exspose your adam's apple.. hehe.. talk about a suprise.. but i do it for fun.. not to pick up anything.

BIOJECT
11-29-2003, 05:59 AM
That reminds me. My friends think I'm too androgynous to crossplay (I agree though) as a female character especially when it's Deedlit who is supposed to be petite and fair skinned according to them. If you want to see how I look just take a peak at my profile.

BIOJECT
11-29-2003, 06:04 AM
I agree with you all the way LunarYoma, but I think most guys wouldn't prefer a Tomboy over what a guy would call the "standard" girl because they/I enjoy seeing them in skimpy outfits. We're guys and we like that stuff.

I do think girls who are Tomboyish have their own little advantages though. My Aunt is a partially tomboy and she's REALLY fun to hang out with. She enjoys hiking and doing all kinds of crazy outdoorzy stuff.

With guys preferring girls to be more feminine over being tomboyish, it's only our raging hormones! My preference is... short and cute. lol

BIOJECT
11-29-2003, 06:11 AM
I see what you mean DarkindDreamer. Believe it or not I have had a male with a crush on me before.

It's kind of an interesting story actually. I'm straight just so you know. One of my friends at work told me his sister really liked me. Almost every day I would get letters from this sister. Unfortunately his sister wasn't very good at writing so it was hard to understand what she said half the time. What made it all worse was that my co-worker was being all secretive about it all. Finally when I got him to spill the beans, I discovered that his sister was really a brother who had the hots for me. I do admit that it was flattering seeing that someone actually thinks I look good. I've never had a girlfriend before even though I've made many attempts and well... my self esteem in that department could be higher.

Mizuno Tenshi
11-29-2003, 11:21 AM
BIOJECT... just go for it. Your face IS a little bit square, but I'm sure someone here can describe some good makeup tips to help with that. A good wig will do wonders too. I don't see a problem...
What... you aren't SCARED by what these "friends" are gonna say, are you? You love a character so much you want to dress like them. How would that make you gay?
You'll meet a lot of people at cons that will fully support you. ^__^

Tenshi

LunarYoma
11-29-2003, 03:25 PM
That reminds me. My friends think I'm too androgynous to crossplay (I agree though) as a female character especially when it's Deedlit who is supposed to be petite and fair skinned according to them. If you want to see how I look just take a peak at my profile.

When your a guy & you want to crossplay/crossdress, the more androgenous you are in appearance the better you are off when you actually crossplay/crossdress. Unless you can be mistaken as female in your normal every day life, then being very androgenous in the way you look is a big plus. Being skinny also greatly helps as well. Looking like a wookie wouldnt exactly help you if you are trying to crossplay/crossdress. perfect example of this is man faye.

LunarYoma
11-29-2003, 03:29 PM
I agree with you all the way LunarYoma, but I think most guys wouldn't prefer a Tomboy over what a guy would call the "standard" girl because they/I enjoy seeing them in skimpy outfits. We're guys and we like that stuff.

I do think girls who are Tomboyish have their own little advantages though. My Aunt is a partially tomboy and she's REALLY fun to hang out with. She enjoys hiking and doing all kinds of crazy outdoorzy stuff.

With guys preferring girls to be more feminine over being tomboyish, it's only our raging hormones! My preference is... short and cute. lol

I wasnt refering to guys being attracted to girls when they display alot of masculine triats. i was refering to how guys react to girls who are tomboys. Most of the guys will not suddenly feel insecure in their own man hood when the see a tomboy & feel the need to physically attack her, like alot of men do when they even hear about a guy putting on a dress, let alone seeing a guy in womens clothing.

DarkindDreamer
11-29-2003, 04:15 PM
well i could believe it, your a very attractive guy and i dunno why you couldn't get ya a girl.

as to the croos play i think your face would be fine, your jaw is a little well defined which is a rather masc. trait but the hair style for your character would soften that up as well as the correct shadow and highlight technics. plus you could always wear a chin piece which would help with the more elvish look, since you'll have to have the pointy ears too.
so i really don't think ya got anything to worry about man.

CapsuleCorp
11-29-2003, 04:28 PM
Well, see? There you go. You've got the full support of the crossplayers here, and they've allayed your worst fears that they're all gay. :) It's your friends who have the problem, not you, and if they don't want to hang out with you because they're afraid you'll look gay and therefore somehow that will transfer some kind of cooties to them? Well, screw 'em. Make plans to meet up your cosplay.com pals at the con and hang out with cool people instead. ;)

LunarYoma, that was really good of you to post. Thanks for sharing that part of your life with us.

And yes, Will, aka A DDR Legend here, is most certainly straight. And he's one of the coolest crossplayers - his Sakura stuff is awesome.

Menchi
11-29-2003, 04:49 PM
why i always catch these threads o late on i dont know, but anywho...i have never inperson met on guy who crossplayed who was gay myself. as far i remember nine is gay but his resaons for crossplay is nothing to do with sexuality (i forget what it was sorry nine). is more the fact they are unconfortable with themselves if they wont hang with ya, as i had ppl i know say they wouldnt hang out with me if i used falsies...but they got over it.

the best way i can put it...is if they wont hang out with you in a dress, they prolly are not your friends. dressing like a girl doesnt mean you want to be a girl or think you are, it jus means your dressed like a girl and nothing more.

MoonLitDemon2
11-29-2003, 08:42 PM
I've been spending months trying to enlighten my friends that crossplaying is awesome and that it takes balls to dress up as the opposite sex. They reply that they still won't hang with me during the expo and that I still would be gay. Now I really don't want any offense taken from this topic because I have no problem with gays. It's just... well... every guy I've seen on this board who does crossplay is and well it doesn't help when your trying to get your friends to support you for doing something out of the ordinary.


ok first off let me just say that is very mean of your friends to not stick with you just because your dressing as the opposite sex! so what! i think its good that your willing enough to dress as one of your fav characters even tho its a girl and your a guy.
also, i don't think this really counts but we can use it as an example..... i'm a girl and this year i am crossplaying for AB 2004 ...... yes i am Bisexual BUT when i descided on my cosplay i didn't know i was bi yet (i just opened up to it at the end of August....) and before i new i was bi i chose to dress as Duo Maxwel from GW and Shuichi from Gravitation..... (might not do Duo tho... only if i have money and time left...) point being i was straight when i wanted to crossplay...... now i know that didn't count much because you were talking about guys crossplaying but hey its somehting to think about....
tel your friends to stop being such steriotypes and i bet if you talk to alot more guy and girl crossplayers you will find that alot of them are straight... or at least bi..... and yeah i agree that alot are usually gay but still, not every one of them....


and...... its good to be out of the ordinary!!!!! weeeeeeeeee

MoonLitDemon2
11-29-2003, 09:00 PM
BIOJECT... just go for it. Your face IS a little bit square, but I'm sure someone here can describe some good makeup tips to help with that. A good wig will do wonders too. I don't see a problem...


haha as a matter of fact i do make-up for the plays at my highschool and i could probably help yah!...... ok basicly all you really need for your face are a few things....

1. make sure to shave really really well if you have a little hair on your face... remeber women don't have that!... well usully don't anyway.... also if you really want to or can, get your eyebrows done.... at least a little bit so there nice and clean and even and not very bushy....

2. get a could consealer (don't mind my spelling... if its spelt wrong) that will match your skin tone or somewhere between your skin tone and the skin tone of your character and evenly distribute it all around your face... get some of your neck too and yor ears.... or will you have fake ears cuz of your character lol... and don't forget before aplying it to use a god gentle moisterisor (again with spelling) ...... it realy helps....

3. find a light blush and just put a little on your cheeks.. don't put to much on cuz u still want it to look natural but it gives you a soft rosey look.....

4. for your eyes, use Mascara and eyeliner..... and if your character has eyeshadow then get that color and put it on as well.... the use of the eyeliner and mascara will kind of shape your eyes or just make them look more girly....

5. now for your lips, umm it depends on if your character has red lips or pink.... whatever color get it!.... put on a chapstick or a lip gloss first and then put on the lipstick (i've found most guys have drier lips) and if necessary add some shine lip gloss after that.....

well umm i think thats all.... if any questions than just pm me or email or just reply on here and i'll probably check it......

if your having trouble ask a friend or if your doing this for anime boston i can help you there ^_^ ...... ok well i gtg ttyl!

BIOJECT
11-29-2003, 10:45 PM
I think Deedlit's lips are pink but they are still extremely faint. I don't think she wears lipstick. Maybe an extremely light color would work?

yasafusa
11-30-2003, 03:00 AM
well, I'm straight and I crossplay because I think it's great fun!

Merle-kun
11-30-2003, 09:16 AM
And if they don't want to hang out with someone that "looks" gay (by their standards) they surely wouldn't hang out with someone who happened to actually BE gay, and that means THEY are the ones with a problem.

Don't let their bigotry dictate your actions.

Dani's right... and, not to be mean, but from your question it sounds like they've already effected your actions. Because you're thinking like they are. Are you gay because you're wanting to crossplay? Does hopping into women's clothing for a few days make you a homosexual? Not at all, they don't always go hand in hand. I'm not sure how you got the idea that we're all gay. I haven't seen anyone declare their sexuality on this board one way or another. I'm not taking offenese or anything, just pointing out that you're friends are effecting you, and if you truely want to crossplay that thinking has to go out the window. You won't have any fun if you're worrying yourself to death at a con. =3 And as Sipesh said, you're welcome to hang out with us at a con!


Umm... I'm not gay.... Menchi isn't gay... Merle-kun isn't gay (he's quite desperate for a girl, actually! ~_^)...

Actually, I have a really great girlfriend now =3 Heza-chan (http://images.cosplay.com/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=3780) and I started dating after Sugoicon ^-^v And I dunno if I'd have called myself desperate ^^;;

MoonLitDemon2
11-30-2003, 12:26 PM
"I think Deedlit's lips are pink but they are still extremely faint. I don't think she wears lipstick. Maybe an extremely light color would work?"

if her lips are faint and still kind of pink then get a pink lipstick that is very light or just a regular pink that matches it and put a little on..... even if a character doesn't wear lipstick i've found that girls naturally have redder or pinker lips than guys do and it also helps to smooth out your lips (unless your a guy blessed with awesome lips.... then i would like to meet you ^_~ lol jp) same goes for if your a girl dressing as a guy... either put nothing on your lips or get a skin colored or browner lip stick and put A LITTLE BIT on..... well this all depends on what your character looks like..... do whatever you think looks right you know the character better than i do ^_^" ........


Dani's right... and, not to be mean, but from your question it sounds like they've already effected your actions. Because you're thinking like they are. Are you gay because you're wanting to crossplay? Does hopping into women's clothing for a few days make you a homosexual? Not at all, they don't always go hand in hand. I'm not sure how you got the idea that we're all gay. I haven't seen anyone declare their sexuality on this board one way or another. I'm not taking offenese or anything, just pointing out that you're friends are effecting you, and if you truely want to crossplay that thinking has to go out the window. You won't have any fun if you're worrying yourself to death at a con. =3 And as Sipesh said, you're welcome to hang out with us at a con!

i agree completely with what Merle-kun said! nicely put hun ^_^ .....

Mizuno Tenshi
11-30-2003, 12:35 PM
Actually, I have a really great girlfriend now =3 Heza-chan (http://images.cosplay.com/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=3780) and I started dating after Sugoicon ^-^v And I dunno if I'd have called myself desperate ^^;;

Cuuute! See? Proof that crossplayers CAN get cute girls. ~_^ Soooo... any out there for me? ^-^

Tenshi

NiGHTmaren
11-30-2003, 01:08 PM
In my opinion, there is absolutely nothing wrong with crossplay and it by no means determines your sexual preferences. I've always wanted to be Kurama, my favorite male character from Yu Yu Hakusho. Was being female going to hold me back? NOPE! Quite frankly, I don't care about what others may think of me dressing up as a male character...people can think all they want about that, but I know that it has nothing to do with my sexuality. I'm 100% straight and dressing up as Kurama isn't going to change that. Sometimes in life you have to do things for yourself, things that make you happy. If being Deedlit is one of those things, go for it and do the best job you can! ^_^ Crossplay is perfectly harmless. Sometimes, we all happen to like a character of the opposite sex and want to cosplay as them. So don't let other people hold you back from that. I know you have my support, and others here at the board's support, as well. I mean, sure, I like dressing up as female characters, especially those in very feminine clothing because I AM a girl, but sometimes I want to be a male character because I love the character to death and want to cosplay as him (examples being Hiei and Kurama from my fav anime, Yu Yu Hakusho). It's all in the fun and love of anime! ^_^ So, go out there and be the best Deedlit you can be and prove yourself right, that's what it's all about.

*~Hime no Toki~*

Sana-chan
11-30-2003, 01:48 PM
I don't think crossplaying has to do with ones sexuality perse. I'm a girl, I like guys, yet I crossplay. It just depends on the person really. Crossplaying does not make someone gay. If your friends just can't see that you crossplay just because you like the character or whatever then... well, they're stupid. You should cosplay what you like, regardless of what others think or say ^_^.

BIOJECT
11-30-2003, 02:17 PM
Yeah but when girls crossplay it doesn't create the same affect as when a guy crossplays. When males like myself see a girl dressed up as Tidus, we go aww cute. When a guy dresses up as Yuna the guys go... eww sick and the girls go aww cute.

CapsuleCorp
11-30-2003, 04:37 PM
I've always wanted to be Kurama, my favorite male character from Yu Yu Hakusho. Was being female going to hold me back?

*temporary thread hijack* OMG! HIME!! That would rock, because I crossplay regularly as Hiei and I'm aaaaalways looking for Kurama cosplayers to hang and pose with. I encourage you to do it! Do it! :D

Ahem. Anyway. Back to the subject.

BIOJECT, guys crossplaying as Yuna and crossplaying Deedlit are very different things. BUT, think about it for a second. If you're crossplaying and the girls are going "aww cute!", then what the heck does it matter what the guys think?? You're getting GIRLS, man! :D Crossplay gets you chicks, I think that's a perfectly good reason to tell your friends to lay off. Even if it's just a lot of girl fans who want to talk about the costume...that's a start.

But if you're still hesitating and all the evidence and encouragement we've given you isn't helping, then it probably goes deeper than your friends' opinions. Decide for yourself what you really want to do. If you REALLY want this Deedlit costume, and you want to do it right, do it for yourself. Don't do it for any other reason than for how this costume makes you feel, how much fun you want to have with it. Stage fright is only natural, for a first-time crossplayer. But if you're scared or concerned beyond just that natural nervousness, then you have to evaluate what's more important to you, what's going to make you happier: being in the costume or not being in the costume.

NiGHTmaren
11-30-2003, 05:11 PM
Yep, I'm definately going to do Kurama! ^_^ I have the perfect wig for it, plus I already bought the kung foo shoes and have the white top, so I need to do the pants and then do the hardest part...the yellow and blue cheongsam-type thingy (wishes I knew what it was called, but he sure does wear a lot of those...o.O). I might even go so far as to make a rose-whip!

Once again...back to the topic at hand *^^* ....

Well, you may have a bit of a point there Bioject. Girls who crossplay aren't really judged anywhere near as much as the guys who crossplay, but that's just how society is...it sucks. x_x You have to look past all of that, and as I said before, do what makes YOU feel happy. You are really the only person you have to deal with in your life, so when people say mean things, you should block it from your mind and let it go in one ear and out the other. People suck sometimes, it's a part of life we all have to realize. But there are also lots of people out there who don't criticize people for being different and having the guts to do something society would normally not accept. And crossplay is harmless! It hurts no one. All it is is dressing up as a character you like and having fun. It's not about being gay, wanting to wear clothing of the opposite sex, wanting to be the center of attention, etc. I know I hate it when people judge me before they even know me, so I never do that to anyone. Appearances don't mean a thing, it's how the person acts and treats others that counts. So, all in all, crossplay is a harmless activity and not one that people should go about being critics on. Nuff said. ^^

*~Hime no Toki~*

RHIshida
11-30-2003, 07:37 PM
I hate it when people make general statements based solely upon a stereotype. What does your sexual preference matter? It does not. Our culture has been blinded so much by zealots to believe that a man has to prove something by having sex with a woman. I think men everywhere should be ashamed of themselves for calling transsexuals, transvestites, bisexuals and anybody else not percieved as 'normal' to be gay. Being Transsexual or Transgendered does not immediately make you gay, nor does wearing women's clothing. In my opinion, I believe that Transsexuals cannot be gay, solely for the fact that they are mentally the opposite gender.

Getting back to the subject, calling people gay just because they are not like you is a horrible thing to do, and your friends are probably blinded by society's "Right-and-Wrong" system. At any rate, I am not gay, in fact, the best thing that could describe me would be a tomboyish lesbian :P

Ookami
12-01-2003, 12:09 AM
meep! *first ever post*

Anyway, I haven't crossplayed yet, I haven't even cosplayed yet! *cries uncontrollibly* But I would love to sometime soon. I've worn girls clothes before, even a playboy bunny kinda thing! *blushes*

And I want to be a girl (Well, most of the time anyway) but I mainly ~like~ girls. But there is this one boy that I kinda like (he is on some other forums) But he is really sweet! ^o^

>.<;; Well, I was just wondering...umm...I wouldn't have to "tuck" for wearing a Sailor Moon style costume...Would I?...there is this Sailor Chibi Moon one that I have been obsessing about lately, and I really need to get it! It is really cute! ^-^

Anyway, back to the main subject, calling someone "gay" is...well...If they are using it as an insult, then they are homophobic, and it really angers me when people are homophobic/rasist/sexist/ageist and anything like that! Umm...forgive me if I am talking about something totally different, I haven't been...uhh....my usual self lately! (For one, I have been vomiting blood a lot...I hardly eat at all...I hardly drink at all...I hardly sleep at all...Am I human? o.o;; )

Ok, as I was saying, this might not be what you where talking about exactly so...err....I think I should just shut up now! *hides his face* ;_;

*reads over all of the stuff that he just wrote* Ummm...I hope that it's not too off topic! *sniffles*

BIOJECT
12-01-2003, 04:49 AM
Okay you enjoy wearing girls clothing and you like this one boy. Hmm...

This will be my first cosplay in general. Most of my friends think I'm starting out kind of big but I figure what the heck! It doesn't matter and getting over the embarrassment will be awesome!

Um also you should go to the docter and get that "vomiting blood" thing checked out. That's VERY scary. :S

Karisu-sama
12-01-2003, 05:04 AM
When a guy dresses up as Yuna the guys go... eww sick and the girls go aww cute.
Yeah, us girls go "Awwwwww cute!" and "Is he taken? I hope not!!" ~___^

I once saw a REALLY cute guy crossplaying Sakura from Sakura Taisen, and if *I* were single, I'd probably have tried REAL HARD to make his acquaintance. ~___^

(...So why would you care what other GUYS think? :p )

BIOJECT
12-01-2003, 05:27 AM
The topics changed too...

Aaagh I need a blond wig and their so expensive and their not long enough either! :(

http://www.wigs.com/templates/fbargain.html

That's the best wig I could find.

Ookami
12-01-2003, 07:12 AM
Okay you enjoy wearing girls clothing and you like this one boy. Hmm...

This will be my first cosplay in general. Most of my friends think I'm starting out kind of big but I figure what the heck! It doesn't matter and getting over the embarrassment will be awesome!

Um also you should go to the docter and get that "vomiting blood" thing checked out. That's VERY scary. :S

;_; Everyone is telling me to go to the doctor, but I don't want to! *cries*

And about that one boy, I can't help liking him, he is so nice! ^o^

And about the girls clothes...I don't know why I like wearing them...maybe because they're cute and pretty? Maybe because we all want what we can't have...

Merle-kun
12-01-2003, 04:25 PM
Try this one, but you'll have to cut bangs into it:

http://www.amphigory.com/wigs_enchantment.html

The same page tells you how to cut the bangs!

http://www.amphigory.com/wig_how_to_cut_bangs.html

If Deedlit's hair isn't quite that long (I can't remember) then this one should work fine, and it already has bangs:

http://www.amphigory.com/wigs_heroine.html

BIOJECT
12-01-2003, 05:01 PM
This picture was drawn by the creator of the series. Check out how long her hair is.

http://www.animeshrine.com/gallery.php?series=recordoflodosswar&image=15

I think the enchantment wig will work perfectly.

dustbunny
12-09-2003, 08:39 PM
I don't know one gay crossplayer...well not a guy at least

SARtheMastr
12-10-2003, 12:15 AM
Personally, if anyone calls me a fagat or anything like that, I just inquire on the fact as to, if I'm a fagat, why are they the one's always talking about other guys...I've never had anyone make a comeback to that...

FalconW
12-10-2003, 10:49 AM
Wow...you guys are way cool. I agree with everything you say. Just because a guy dresses as a girl character he likes, he's not gay. I'm working to get my costume of JC, a girl, from Danger Girl made for Ai-Kon next year.

I'm straight but have a really good feminie side. I've grown up around crossplay. Every year at high school during Spirit Week, there was always an Opposite Sex Day where the boys dressed as girls and girls dressed as boys. The students, teachers and parents had no problems with it cause it was all about fun and learning about the opposite sex.

Hey BIOJECT, I know how you feel about your friends. I'm having a similar problem. I want to go to San Diego ComicCon as JC and my friends online are saying stuff like "People get lynched and killed for stuff like that in this country". It's like they're still living in the 60s and 70s. They also say that I will be very mistreated for doing it. I heard that crossplayers that went to ComicCon had no problems at all, though I can't say that for all who went.

Omi
12-10-2003, 11:39 AM
Im not gay and i crossplay. who cares what other people think its what you want to do!

Tsuchi
12-10-2003, 04:57 PM
man i'm late posting ^-^" i like Guy Cross Players (gay or not) shouldn't be reticulled at all Some of them make some kick ass costume's! Hell even Man fye ish kool lol :bigtu:

Meh i'm sraight and a tomboy, have been since i can remeber, And i got crap for it. i got poked fun at and everything than i hit middle and high school i a started to get called a lesbo ( that extectname to). O.o i thought it was strange and i was offended but now no one calls meh any names. and almost all of meh friends are Bi ^-^" I also know a gay guy(but he scares meh"not cus he's gay") Yeah dats all i have to say. Everyone ish right GO CROSSPLAY! and if your friends won't hang with you cus they are lil ******* (lol i censeored meh self) Than hang with meh and meh Taki cosplay and when i get to it my Crim Crossplay ^.^ :dance:

ACXchan
12-10-2003, 06:29 PM
Regarding crossplaying and homosexuality, I certainly don't think everyone who crossplays is non-heterosexual. However, sometimes I get offended when people act as if being gay is something scary. "So, are you into other guys ^ ^?" "Hell NO o___o" ".... .... Okay u_u"

I'm proudly bisexual and I crossplay, does this make me only half a statistic XD?

the_tennyo
12-10-2003, 06:55 PM
hehe, I shall be crossplaying vincent valentine and dark mousy ;)
today me and sara took the gay test at the spark, I am 15% gay, and she is 98% gay *well of course, she is actaully a lesbian*
crossplaying is fine :)



I also want to make Gaara one day :) not sure if I will though

A DDR LeGend
12-11-2003, 11:39 AM
hey bioject

dude, if the thread isn't enough, i'll tell you myself.

don't be afraid to crossplay.

your opinionated friends will seem very small once you start interacting with people who support you.

I've not known one crossplayer, except for the people trying to make a point and be disgusting about it, that i don't respect. It takes alot to do that, and most of the time, they are very self-concious people. Meaning that they are crossdressing for some other reason other than disrespect of other people. Heck, even I've had a few gay guys give me props for what I'm doing. They know that I'm straight, and most of the people around me don't have to guess.

Now, to say that it's a perfect thing would be lying to you. I mean, if there is distance between the hotel and the con, people are going to look at you funny. There are going to be 'tough-guys' at every con who laugh and jeer and try to make people feel bad. There are parents who are going to duck their kids under their overcoat and lie to them about your existance. But trust me, confidence, and that's what most crossplayers exude, always wins. Try it once if your really inclined to do it. If you can't handle it, you'll know that you've experienced it once :)

and btw, if you look cute enough, the chicks dig it. At least that's what motivates me :)

CapsuleCorp
12-11-2003, 08:15 PM
Totally, Will! Crossplay gets you chicks, I'll say it again!

('bout time you got in here, too. ;) )

felicity869
12-17-2003, 08:15 PM
My boyfriend is all down for crossplaying and he's not gay (obviously). Sounds to me like you ought to worry more about getting better friends than about what people will think of you crossplaying.

cube
12-18-2003, 12:30 PM
That's funny I thought only straight people crossplay. *grin*

My first crossplay was in college and of all the people I knew I thought my gay friend would surely be the most accepting of it. Oddly enough he was the only one who felt "embarassed" being around me when I was crossplaying. Well that and my roommate. :p

Kuri-chan
12-18-2003, 01:07 PM
My first post on this forum Ė Meep!

Off topic intro bit -
Okay, Iíve been lurking quite a while, and have even had an opportunity to put to use some of the advice thatís been posted. (You folks are great! Why didnít I learn about this stuff 10 years ago?!) However, since I havenít sewn a stitch for years till two nights ago or actually cosplayed or crossplayed at an actual convention, I felt like it wouldnít be right to make a comment. Iíve started sewing now, made plans to attend cons, now I want to introduce myself to the community. Hi!

Okay, back to topic - ^_^

Why does it seem like only gays crossplay? Because that is a popular myth, that if there is one thing different about you, it means that there is many things different about you.

BIOGECT Ė regarding your fears about crossplay - I went through similar feelings about 10 years ago, when I was feeling frustrated because my friends thought it was weird that I wanted to do a costume of a female character (I forget which). I let it get to me, and spent four years wondering why I couldnít just be myself. About six years ago I let myself try. It was wonderful. About four years ago I found myself married to a woman who not only accepts all I do, but supports me and has helped me figure out where my interests are. Itís taken me till now to get the courage to even post and say ďHey! I want to crossplay too!Ē I could share my life story but itís so similar to so many others already in place; Iíll spare you the boring details.

The point is that itís your life. No one else can live it for you. You have to make your own decisions, and figure out what YOU want, and not let anyone stop you. If you spend all your time afraid that someone will judge you by a stereotype, youíll never grow, and miss out on a lot of fun. It took me quite a while to figure that out.

The friends and family that matter are the ones who hear you want to crossplay Deedlit, and support you. Yea, parents are scary (trust me, its not the end of the world, it just looks like it), and people you think are your friends can be real jerks.

Hereís the thing: If they are your friends, they wonít care. They may not want to participate (I have NO friends who cosplay, much less crossplay Ė hence, why Iím posting ^^) but they should support you. My friends donít dress up, donít understand crossplay, and wonít come to a con with me, but theyíve gone to the fabric shop with me to buy materials, made suggestions on how to build props, and laugh with me during the learning process. At least theyíre honest!

Youíve got to be you, and they have got to be themselves, but if theyíre trying to stop you from being you, they arenít worth your time. There are billions of people in this world Ė good people who will treat you with respect. Make new friends. Looks like youíve already found a few here. Maybe I can do the same, too.

For the record of gay vs. straight crossplayers, Iíve been labeled by various professionals (whom we pay to analyze and label us) as both/either/or transgendered, and Ďnormalí male with strong female interests, along with all sorts of other fancy big terms. I consider myself bisexual, but being happily married I am for all practical purposes straight. Curious, isnít it? Why do we let other people decide what we should be called? I just like to think of myself as ďHuman.Ē

-Kuri

SamuriSmurfX
12-18-2003, 01:24 PM
You'll make a fine deedlit, as for the rest i'll keep it short. I'm not gay, and i'll crossthing about anything some girl throws at me. Why? I have fun, they have fun, and some think its just that damn sexy

Suki
12-18-2003, 09:51 PM
I'm totally staight, and crossplay is really fun! :D

I have no problem with crossplay, obviously, and I don't know why some people do. It doesn't matter what your sexual orientation is, or whatever, as long as you have fun, does it really matter? And as for friends who aren't accepting as to you crossplaying, that just shows that they aren't real friends methinks...

THE Naru
12-27-2003, 04:30 PM
Yeah I say find diffrent friends, I'm straight and I LOVE crossplaying even though I rarly get to do it. And someone above already said it and it really is true - you DO end up meeting a lot of girls who would want to go out with you - And then theres the whole community, you meet a bunch of people who will be much better friends then the one you have now and you'd be suprised how many people you run into who are from the same area as you once you start going to a lot of cons.

((side note: personally I've found that girls are a lot more accepting and open to guys crossplaying and are generally better friends but I guess It all depends on the kind of people you meet.))

Lostboy
12-30-2003, 10:32 AM
Man, I don't know how I overlooked this thread til now.

Yeah, us girls go "Awwwwww cute!" and "Is he taken? I hope not!!" ~___^

I once saw a REALLY cute guy crossplaying Sakura from Sakura Taisen, and if *I* were single, I'd probably have tried REAL HARD to make his acquaintance.

And someone above already said it and it really is true - you DO end up meeting a lot of girls who would want to go out with you...

Wow, I must be going to the wrong conventions or something. Girls never flirt with me or give me a second glance when I'm crossplaying. Am I doing something wrong? I only get girls when I cosplay as Seifer.

Karisu-sama, if you see me crossplaying at a con and think I'm cute, feel free to walk right up and make my acquaintence. :love:

Edit: Oops. I glossed over a crucial phrase there: "...and if *I* were single..." Curses. Another cute one who's off-limits. :rolleyes: Sorry 'bout that, Karisu!

yukitoLeonheart
12-30-2003, 10:51 AM
Thris thread is weird and buys into a silly stereotype.............. the real question is this........... if two guys are crossplaying and kiss is it yaoi or yuri?

Lostboy
12-30-2003, 11:03 AM
The simplest answer to the question that began this thread is this:

A. If you often dress as the opposite sex, you are a crossdresser (and if you do it for anime cons, you're a crossplayer).
B. If you consistently want to have sex with someone of the same sex as you, you are gay.
C. If you don't eat meat, you are a vegetarian.
D. If you play the saxophone, you are a musician.

There's no reason for any of the above to be linked. It's as silly to link A+B as it is to link A+C or A+D.

There are many lesbians who enjoy feminine clothing and behavior. No one assumes that if a lesbian puts on a dress then she must want sex with men. The same logic applies to men. A lot of men enjoy feminine clothing and behavior, too. If a guy puts on a dress, it doesn't mean he wants sex with men. It means he wants to put on a dress.

Olivia
12-30-2003, 03:44 PM
I've been spending months trying to enlighten my friends that crossplaying is awesome and that it takes balls to dress up as the opposite sex. They reply that they still won't hang with me during the expo and that I still would be gay. Now I really don't want any offense taken from this topic because I have no problem with gays. It's just... well... every guy I've seen on this board who does crossplay is and well it doesn't help when your trying to get your friends to support you for doing something out of the ordinary.

well... if you're crossplaying, and you're not gay, then I guess that means that gays guys aren't the only ones who crossplay :)

EvaFriedel
01-10-2004, 03:10 AM
hey bioject
and btw, if you look cute enough, the chicks dig it. At least that's what motivates me :)

o.O Whoah. That was you up on stage at Otakon. Neat! ...yeah. Um. If you look cute enough they do dig it. In fact, I had friends in the audience who wanted to glomp you en masse.

...so yeah. Crossplay definately gets you girls.

Chun Li
01-13-2004, 08:14 AM
Lol. I plan of going to Otakon As Lina Inverse. My firends have no problem with it. Huzzha for Chicks with armor and capes! anyway, if your "friends" dont wanna hang out with you at a con, thats there problem. what con is this agian?

Decibella
01-13-2004, 10:18 PM
I'm not gay... but my girlfriend is. haha. i met her while i was all dolled up and she was crossplaying too. infact, my dressing up "like a girl" was what attracted her to me in the first place. that does not make either of us queer, just way more interesting! lol we both just have too much style for just one gender. So where are all these gay crossplayers? I've never met one either. The overwhelming majority of both crossdressers and crossplayers is more or less straight, a little bent maybe, heheh. And most of the girls i know LOVE pretty boys, especially pretty boys in dresses and skirts! i know tons of them who go to cons just to meet grrly bois like us, or try to, fighting thu the adoring crowds of fan girls...and if you are approached by boys you will be flattered more often than not too. But I really must concur with the notion that crossplaying will most definately help you meet some lovely real girls too . you'll likely be blinded by all the flash photography aimed your way. i have had nothing but positive experiences in this community, cosplayers are generally very accepting and supportive. Crossplayers SHOULD be too. straight? gay? who gives a flying f*ck?

Bioject - i bet you can find some better friends off the boards to go play dress up with...
don't dream it...be it! - Frank N Furter

Nine
01-17-2004, 02:56 PM
Well, it looks like I'm one of the only gay male here who crossplays. lol Not that I'm supporting the stereotype or whatever, but whenever someone asks me about my sexual orientation when I crossplay, and when I give them the answer, they just assume because I'm a gay male crossplayer, every other male crossplayer is. I'm not going to lie about myself to help stamp out a stereotype that won't go away.

A lot of people don't believe me when I tell them I don't crossplay because I'm gay, which is ok because if they don't want to believe me that's their problem. I don't crossplay because I'm gay, I crossplay because I like female characters more than male characters. It's just as simple as that. I'm happy being male, and definately wouldn't want to change my gender for any reason whatsoever.

Cosplaying is to be someone who you aren't. Dressing up in costumes is my hobby, not my lifestyle. I actually find it very uncomfortable to be wearing women costumes and clothing. I usually can't wear a female costume for a long period of time because of that.

If anyone thinks your gay because you crossplay, just ignore it. You know your sexual orientation right? Well, then what does it matter? Tell your friends who don't want to hang out with you when you crossplay that if they were real friends, they wouldn't think your gay and they wouldn't make a big deal out of your hobby.

gaugaumrthou
01-23-2004, 11:29 AM
I'm straight and I crossplay fairly often. So shutup. We arn't "all gay".

mukino_kuneka
01-26-2004, 09:50 PM
I think that it's a common stereotype to associate crossplaying with crossdressing, which in itself is associated with homosexuality.

True, it does take guts to crossplay. Especially when it's in a tight costume (oi).

In my opinion, people who think that only homosexuals crossplay are homophobics. I plan to crossplay this year (as Sesshoumaru-sama), and I'm not homosexual.

Arrow
01-27-2004, 09:50 AM
Stereotypes really are an absolute shame. And while some of them seem worse than others (when they're all really equally bad), we all still use them in one way or another anyway. le sigh. But go for the crossplay, Deedlit looks like an awesome character (I lovies elves).

If you haven't solved the lipstick problem, try a nude color. Something light and Earthy. Elves are ethereal creatures with a deep respect for the land, right? And, anyway, you'll lighten up your own lip color (if you get a sheer nude color) and get a mixture of the natural reddish pink, and skin tone.

Hope this helped some. Don't let what your friends say bother you. They might be saying this initially to get you not to do it in the first place. They may yet stick with you when at the con (or wherever it is you might be going) ... if not, then good riddance to them. The people on these boards are insanely friendly. You'll have a new support group in no time! ;)

chibiclaudia
04-29-2004, 07:37 PM
XD Best quote EVER! I'd use that, but as a (bisexual) female cos/crossplayer I never even get questioned... *sigh* ^_~ I <3 my cos/crossplaying boyfriend, BTW ^_^

Drackt
05-08-2004, 02:58 PM
Straight....but I think I like the guy characters more because sometimes the female versions aren't...good.

I'm also a Takarazuka fan, BTW. Prolly because the male roles are more interesting most of the time...

Chino-San
05-09-2004, 07:32 PM
LoL I crossplay and I am as straight as it can get lol ^_~

oOX_Jun_XOo
05-09-2004, 10:54 PM
I crossplay and I have a girlfriend. I'm a bit bi...I guess...but so is she so it's all good. :bigtu: Oh and for the people who don't check profiles...I'm a man baby!

Miyavi
05-10-2004, 07:45 AM
Hey I'm a tomboy will I like boys and girls too but thats not the point.


REAl MAN WEARS DRESSES

Chosuke
05-10-2004, 08:18 AM
None of the crossplayers I know are gay.
At the most, Bi or Bi-curious.
And NONE of them do it for any sexual reasons.
Crossplaying is the same as cosplay in the sense you are just expressing love for a character.I cosplay males because I tend to enjoy the designs more,and I like dressing as something I am attracted to.
I guess you would call it cross-play, but its all just cosplay to me.

Lostboy
05-10-2004, 09:24 AM
I like dressing as something I am attracted to.

I like dressing as something I'm attracted to, as well. ^_^ But it's also just nice to be a girl for a while. Guys don't get to feel pretty very often. Maybe sexy or studly or hot, but not pretty. It's a very different feeling, and one that most guys never get to enjoy.

Bobbi
05-10-2004, 02:30 PM
I realized that a girls who crossplay don't get quite as much as the "you're gay" as guys do. I think it's because it's become more socially acceptable for a girl to dress like a guy.

My ex boyfriend crossplayed and he was very Christian and very straight (though also on the homophobic side too). He had the best time crossplaying, even though his parents freaked out and weren't too happy with me making him a girl character's costume.

My current boyfriend crossplays and a lot of people are freaked out by him or think he's gay. (Though I know, obviously, that he's not ^^)

I think the major reasons why guys crossplay is because girl's costumes are more elaborate, challenging, cuter, and more fun to wear than the typical male costume. It's either a schoolboy or something that's done very very often. So I totally understand why guys crossplay. I think it's awesome.

I personally don't know if I could pull off a good crossplay... unless it was a little boy, but I think binding would KILL me. I hate my boobs. =P

HyperrrMouse
05-10-2004, 06:54 PM
I love crossplaying, but I'm not gay, or bi. not exactly straight either, but people never get it when i try to explain. Just not interested sexually in either sex, though somehow my boyfriend impressed me enough that i love him to pieces.

maybe crossplay is more accepted among/by women because we dress like the opposite gender almost on a daily basis.

dani
05-11-2004, 12:37 AM
Come to think of it, I DO have an issue with the title of the thread. "IT SEEMS" is a blameless expression. Blame the "things" (it) for seeming some way, instead of taking responsibility and saying "I think...".

It certainly doesn't seem to me that only gays crossplay, and 6 pages of postings so far reinforce that.

So unfortunately, even if the title asks me not to, I take offence with a loaded statement that only works to perpetuate a stereotype.

Don't get me started.... :)

Dani

KusanIvy
05-11-2004, 03:37 PM
Wow, I must be going to the wrong conventions or something. Girls never flirt with me or give me a second glance when I'm crossplaying. Am I doing something wrong?


Yes - you're too good at crossplaying, lol. They probably think you are a girl!


I only get girls when I cosplay as Seifer.


What? No attention for your Ryouga costumes? Silly girls.....

Lostboy
05-11-2004, 04:36 PM
Yes - you're too good at crossplaying, lol. They probably think you are a girl!

Holy cow. You think so? I hadn't thought of that. *^_^* Thank you!

Sashi
05-12-2004, 09:15 AM
I've had this damn arguement so many times with my boyfriend about the fact that just because somebody crossplays doesn't make them gay!!!>_<

I actually have a heterosexual male friend who'd like to crossplay purely to prove a point!!

When I was little I used to love wearing boys clothes since it wasn't the norm.Even when I went to fancy dress parties I often dressed as a boy (I hated poofy princess type dresses) but that doesn't make me a lesbian!!
Even when I got older I was still buying boys clothes simply 'cos I liked them.

I really hate when people are so narrow minded.

WoodenCoyote
05-12-2004, 12:49 PM
I wear boy's clothing, including suit and tie to the prom this year. My mom had a fit :bigtu:

I just don't feel comfortable in "normal girls' clothes". Never have, really. Is it because I'm gay? I dunno... I guess we're almost expected to "play dress up" [ as the news so crassly put it the other night ]

dani
05-12-2004, 12:54 PM
news, schmews...

Torren
05-15-2004, 09:08 AM
I'm not gay and I crossplay D: At least I don't think I am... ._. *goes to look at yaoi*... yeah I still love guys XD

If someone wants to be they're favorite character (which is often a character of the oppisite gender) then i think its perfectly fine that they do, gay or not. And even if they are gay, I don't see whats wrong with that :/

Torren
05-15-2004, 09:13 AM
I wear boy's clothing, including suit and tie to the prom this year. My mom had a fit :bigtu:

I just don't feel comfortable in "normal girls' clothes". Never have, really. Is it because I'm gay? I dunno... I guess we're almost expected to "play dress up" [ as the news so crassly put it the other night ]

Your right, Boy's pants are damn comfy @_@ I'm wearing some right now and a lofty shirt. I can't STAND girls clothes, they've gotten too "fitting", I hate jeans, I hate anything stretch, I hate small shirts and I have a realy thin waist too, I just don't like people stareing at meh boobies.

SO I wear man clothes and just let it all hang so to speak XD I slouch and bend all I want and don't feel uncomfortable :D

Tamer Brad
05-15-2004, 06:26 PM
I think it's stupid to take offence at the title of this topic. The thread starter WANTED to be confirm that it's not only gays that crossplay. All he was looking for is enlightenment on the subject and people lashed out at him for stereotyping when he wanted to believe the exact opposite in the first place.

Karisu-sama
05-15-2004, 10:14 PM
If I felt the thread title didn't reflect only the original poster's question (as opposed to what he thinks are the views of the general public), I'd adjust it. I don't.

Flippy
05-23-2004, 06:09 PM
Hellís no!! It is not a requirement that if you are crossplaying you need to be gay!!! It pissís me off when there are preconceptions such as these. Many time when I hear about girls crossplaying guys itís said to be sexyÖ.such as this as and example.http://images.jlist.com/c9/cosmo5_q23.jpg When a guys does it he becomes GayÖ.like this has been an example http://man-faye.mooniidx.com/ The people that talk about them have no idea of what type of sexual orientation these crossplayers have and will never know unless some one asks themÖ.people donít understandÖ.jumping to conclusions is a unknown hobby that most people have.

ElvishBoi
05-30-2004, 08:44 PM
I've been spending months trying to enlighten my friends that crossplaying is awesome and that it takes balls to dress up as the opposite sex. They reply that they still won't hang with me during the expo and that I still would be gay. Now I really don't want any offense taken from this topic because I have no problem with gays. It's just... well... every guy I've seen on this board who does crossplay is and well it doesn't help when your trying to get your friends to support you for doing something out of the ordinary.
K... gonna be a bit of a spammer here, hope it's welcome
I'm gonna sell the same propaganda as everyone else here, but for different reasons:
Crossplaying in the case of a man, is where he tries to look like he is a girl; i.e. looking feminine. But I actually belong to a group for long-haired men (Due to various aspects of my life, being kinda... alone cuz of how few of 'my kind' there are and how I've been regarded because of it in many cases) and basically there are some bisexuals/gays within the group who ask this question: Why are so many gay people not long-haired? Like at clubs and bars and things... well basically the answer goes, because it makes them more 'womanly', and like they don't havbe their manhood and being gay is already looked upon as being 'feminine' which they've been trying to fight a long time.. And by the same token, there are a lot of guys who are gay who actually have short hair and buzz-cuts, and within the gay community (for the most part, not everyone obviously) who don't do crossdressing or try to appear female... however they do a damn good job with makeup and such (It may be a stereotype, but I'm in theatre and have friends who are gay, and they taught me a few things about soaps)
I don't wanna go telling you who your friends are, but if they have to pretend they don't know you cuz you are crossed over, maybe you should consider them fair-weather friends... they aren't bad or mean you ill, but you can't really count on em when convictions are put to the test.
And lastly, I'm sure your Deedlit will turn out fine: The only qualification is long ears, blonde hair, a green tunic-thing, and a cape... My ghetto Legolas has been mistaken for Deedlit on many occasions, and I definitely was not crossplaying :)

My apologies to everyone if this wasn't completely on topic, or was overkill in any way ^^

Flippy
05-31-2004, 12:23 AM
I think you look like one ofthe better legolas's I've seen and your long hair kicks ass :rockon: ...:end of side note:

AgentExcel
05-31-2004, 12:33 AM
I'm not gay, but crossplaying and crossdressing is somewhat theraputic for me. When I look in the mirror and see a young girl looking back at me, it makes me feel light.

Flippy
05-31-2004, 12:43 AM
What ever makes you happy and doesn't endanger others is alright....the US is a pretty weird country after all...whatever happens happens....look away.

ElvishBoi
05-31-2004, 12:53 PM
I think you look like one ofthe better legolas's I've seen and your long hair kicks ass :rockon: ...:end of side note:
Thank you very much :) I wouldn't mind if you dyed my tunic a dull green for me ;) hahaha
And I'd say some of the people on this thread *including yourself Flippy* have done a good job appearing feminine in their costumes... so it should be a mark of pride eh?
I mean... how silly is bobbing for apples, but if you like it and you're good at it... hey why not ^_^

Flippy
05-31-2004, 06:28 PM
Yeah I think that if your involved with cosplay at all you shouldn't really care what others say...we've accepted that we may look silly to others and just gotta deal....sticks and stones may hurt my bones but words will never hurt me.

( I have tried to strear away from an feminine look in my Samara costume. I really tried to make that costume as streamline as possible and binded my chest to take away relation to being feminine. The only feminine thing that really remaind was my hair. It has been the only con that I was not hit on. So I can see how hair can help a person be more feminine but there are other aspects leading up to a Feminine look. It's an art to many many male cross dressers and crossplayers out there. I'm thankful that I'm already a women and don't have to to be feminine. How ever it is also a pain to be more masculine....that is also an art. Many women give themselves pixie and buzz cuts and still are easily detected as a women. I don't know, I think I contradicted myself but anyway both gender have alot of baggage attacted to them.)

Bridget_tenchi
06-01-2004, 10:20 PM
Does transgender mean anything to anyone on this board ^^;

Lostboy
06-01-2004, 10:26 PM
Does transgender mean anything to anyone on this board ^^;

Of course.

Kuri-chan
06-02-2004, 10:59 AM
Does transgender mean anything to anyone on this board ^^;

Yup Yup! Go find and read some of my prior posts to figure out what. ^^

Now to stretch this statement back to the original topic of the thread (Why the myth that crossplay and sexual orientation is somehow linked), please keep in mind that neither sexual orientation nor gender orientation have anything necessarily to do with crossplay.

Hmm... Let my try to rephrase that. ^^;;

The idea that sexual orientation (Heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual - the three most commonly recognized orientations) has something to do with costuming preference is a myth, perpetuated by people who do not understand, and want to categorize people into their existing world view. The purpose of my posts in this thread is to dispel this myth, so cosplayers will not be a part of the population who perpetuates the myth.*

Now a side myth that Iím seeing emerge is that crossplay has something to do with gender orientation (How you perceive and express your own sense of gender; lots of label confusion on this one; lets use ďtransgenderedĒ to keep it simple), which while it makes a little more logical sense than sexual orientation, is still a false myth worthy of being dispelled.*

Iím sure few things are more annoying for someone perfectly compatible and happy with their biological gender than being asked repeatedly ďDo you crossplay because you want to be a member of the opposite sex?Ē This, of course, is silly.*

Most* (not all, but I assure you, most) cosplayers who choose to crossplay do so because they love the character, or love the costume. It has nothing to do with sex or gender.

Now speaking as someone who is not perfectly compatible with their biological gender, my gender orientation still has nothing to do with my taste in costuming, or why I choose to crossplay.

The problem with this myth is that it is easy to believe, because to a limited extent it makes sense; itís the shortest jump in conclusions, and in SOME cases, may be correct.*

Iím sure there is more than one person out there, many in fact, who crossplay because they are looking for a way to express themselves in terms of gender identity. They specifically chose to costume as a member of the opposite gender, using gender as a focus for selecting the characters they costume as.

There is nothing wrong with this. It is a perfectly good reason to cosplay, just as good as liking a costume, liking a character, or what have you.

However, speaking for myself, I do not select characters to cosplay as because of my gender identity, and I do not want someone assuming I crossplay just because I happen to be transgendered. For me, dressing up as a girl is an enjoyable side effect; not my primary motivation.

Personal conclusion:
Crossplay does not equal, and is not influenced by sexual orientation.
Crossplay does not necessarily equal, and is not necessarily influenced by gender orientation.

*Disclaimer: Your mileage may vary! When in doubt, ask rather than assume. ^^;;

Veering Slightly Off Topic:
For those who are interested in discussing the issues that relate to being transgendered, or are looking for (im)moral support from a kindred spirit, you are welcome to contact me via chat or private message. I would love to talk to you! Please remember however that these forums are for discussing cosplay, not gender issues. ^_^ Please try to stay on topic to help keep the lives of our wonderful moderators and fellow cosplayers easier.

-Kuri

Eleryth
06-02-2004, 11:13 AM
OT: Just gotta say, that's a great post. Seriously, Kuri... I love it.

Tempted to steal it and put a mini-essay on my webpage (credited, of course), because you worded things so well... (I'm working on a cosplay database, in case you are curious - things like vocab, how to start, pages and pages of handy websites...).

Just... wow. Nicely put. /OT

animeBecky21
06-15-2004, 10:20 PM
It seems like most of the drag queens are gay, but there are plenty of TG people who aren't.

I've been wearing girls clothes since I was three - old enough to dress myself and able to find some to get into. And I am about as straight as they come. I can find something attractive in almost any woman...

I often refer to myself as being 'the only "lesbian trapped in a man's body" who actually walks the walk instead of just talking the talk' -

I'm new here, but I've been interested in this for a while now - I just didn't know there were places I could go to find out and discuss it. anyone who wants to chat with me, feel free.

Grav
06-16-2004, 11:09 PM
I stumbled acorss this thread so pardon me if I repeat anything that has been said.

Just so you know, asexual, male, ...annoyingly femine looking.

Several of my friends cross play, at animazment this year my friend lisa, lesbian, was fuma and I was Kamui from x/1999. THough she often does crossplay it's because she's rather tall and is elected for the character. Our group of friends generally do themes. Sometimes it comes down to what type of characters do you look like. Katie, another friend of mine also ends up crossplaying most of the time, she's straight, because to us it's more important to look and act like the character. That's the fun in cosplaying.

I've finally given into some of my friends and next year they are getting me to crossplay. I have no problem with it except that because of the way I look...I get mistaken for a girl too often for my liking. For over a month that was a hot topic for discussion at my high school.

For some crossplayers I know they are very proud when they are mistaken, a sign they are pulling off the look, others aren't as thrilled with it. I've never meet one though that was ill tempered about it and in the same manner I correct them politely.

I'm curious about other's opinions though on that.

I think I'm rambling and not making much sense but it's late so please forgive me.

My guess is that the best argument for friends who don't grasp why you enjoy it is to say it is a test of your acting ability and costume expertise. That or hand them a copy of Mrs. Doubtfire. Hilarious movie, you have to love Robin Williams.

Leon
06-17-2004, 09:43 AM
Hmm...as far as crossplay being something primarily done by gays, I think it's safe to say that's not true at all after reading the responses in this thread. I think that's just a stereotype. Personally, I applaud anyone that can pull off a convincing crossplay (Which is something that'd be difficult for me to do, given my height and build).

Ginger Catgirl
06-17-2004, 10:06 AM
well, it's probably true that gay men are more willing to put on a dress...... especially the flamboyant ones. But I don't think it really has to do with sexuality... well, if you don't want to be glomped by members of the same gender, crossplay might not be your thing....

I dunno o_O as for me, I'm "Matt-o-sexual", I'm very dedicated to my current relationship, but I guess if we weren't dating I'd be bi... I'm not sure. I have too many lesbian friends O_O

Ginger Catgirl
06-17-2004, 10:12 AM
I often refer to myself as being 'the only "lesbian trapped in a man's body" who actually walks the walk instead of just talking the talk' -

lol. I have a friend who is, by her own words, "a gay guy trapped in a woman's body"... she is so male. It's erather funny. But she has huge boobs.

Okay, that was wierd.

Anyway.

JosephCain
07-01-2004, 11:22 AM
This is a pretty interesting topic actually. It's kinda like saying some girls prefer ultra feminine men though they're really closet lesbians, I guess? Bad comparison? Who knows. I've wanted to crossplay, or crossdress for that matter, but I'm too much of a coward, and right now I'm on a diet. Ouchies. *Ahem* Also, the fact I've never been with a man or a woman slightly dictates the fact that I call myself "bi" and "undecided". Being 18 and with those stats greatly sucks. *Sage Nod* Ah well, I'm waiting for college before I let my hormones rage. Though, in my area ("the south"), I don't believe that I'll have much luck getting a boyfriend without getting hung, dragged around by a car, or being beaten to death. Heheh.

Lostboy
07-01-2004, 11:29 AM
Also, the fact I've never been with a man or a woman slightly dictates the fact that I call myself "bi" and "undecided". Being 18 and with those stats greatly sucks.

No it doesn't. Until I was 29, I was dedicated to the notion of not having sex til i fell in love. Well, at 29, i decided to just have sex with the next willing girl. That didn't actually HAPPEn til i was 31, though. And I wish I'd waited. It didn't feel all that great. I mean, it was OK, but I didn't love her. It didn't feel rapturous like it should have. It was just physical pleasure. I was really let down. Plus, there's STDs to worry about too. I'm re-dedicated to my old belief now: no sex without love. I'm sure different people have different priorities, but this is how it works for me.

JosephCain
07-01-2004, 11:35 AM
You're 31, Lostboy? Geez... in your avatar you keep making me think early 20s. :skidude2:

Lostboy
07-01-2004, 11:40 AM
Thanks! ^_^

Jen-neko
07-01-2004, 01:58 PM
Ginger -- Sounds like me! =^^= Except for the "huge" boobs part :P BUt yea, I said the exact same thing to my boyfriend and he just kinda looked at me funny and said, "Okay....so I'm dating a gay man..?" =^^=;;

JosephCain
07-01-2004, 02:18 PM
This is the reasdon it's a bad idea to hunt for a date at a Con. You may meet a fellow anime lover, but it does get kinda hard to drag out the men from the women and vice versa... unless you're bi. Then it's all good. :p

Squall_009
07-19-2004, 03:33 PM
im strait..as a line...and I cross play..^_^....my guy friends walk...and my friends who are girls walk with me at cons...yours sound like jerks...why not walk around with you...you seem cool..dude...plus im a girl....heck I like cross dressing...good luck dude.

Sephiroth-chan
07-19-2004, 09:23 PM
*blinks...and stares at Lostboy* It's YOU!!! *runs and glomps.* And if you remember this from a few years back..then you're the person I think you are!!! Except I was one of the runs RUNNING from the glomping fangirls.

Anyhow...back on topic. I try not to descriminate. My ex-fiancee was five times the woman I'll ever be, so I can handle anything around the fence, I think, and with FAR less guilt instigation. And thusly, thanks to him...I've decided that just about anyone that finds me vaguely attractive...(Except fanboy stereotypes and the generally creepy sorts), and doesn't call me by the nasty 4 letter c word. (c*te) is fair game.

animeBecky21
07-21-2004, 06:17 AM
(snip)
And thusly, thanks to him...I've decided that just about anyone that finds me vaguely attractive...(Except fanboy stereotypes and the generally creepy sorts), and doesn't call me by the nasty 4 letter c word. (c*te) is fair game.

Odd, that's just about where I am at.. difference being that as long as I see something attractive myself, and they have an interest in me, I'll go there. I usually joke around that yeah, 'I'm bi... if I want sex, I have to go out and buy it' but that's all. I say that a lot, probably already said it here and can't remember it. I have this problem of being sick of being single, but that's horrendously off-topic. I have a short term memory problem too, did I mention I'm single?

There are plenty of gay men who've never thought of putting on a dress; some, like one friend's fiancee, had to be talked into it for a pride event. But he pulled it off, you wouldn't have looked twice at him in the mall or someplace. I think you get more doing it though for a joke or for the attention it creates when they do it than for any special reason - it's not a serious thing. Which is the difference - you have drag which exaggerates and to some extent parodies women (IE it's not serious), and impersenation which more replicates and honors women (IE it's a lot more serious). The Drag is more outlandish, more out there and ends up the stereotype most people identify with. The more common and less obvious (and the most serious presentation, usually), transgender, people don't know a thing about because you rarely hear about it, see it less often, and as a result you have to actually go looking to learn about it.


Women are a different story... there are lesbians who more or less dress as men all the time, but it's a lot more acceptable for them (which is a whole other thread). It's not really about drag, impersonation, or transgender for them - just about being comfortable.

vash_humanoid
07-26-2004, 04:05 AM
Iim not gay; I crossplay. 'nuff said

Satsujin
09-05-2004, 01:53 PM
In my opinion, people who think that only homosexuals crossplay are homophobics. I plan to crossplay this year (as Sesshoumaru-sama), and I'm not homosexual.

Sesshoumaru is awsome!

Why do so many people associate crossplaying with homosexuality?

HackerEd
09-05-2004, 02:19 PM
My friend wants to do Kurapica and I KNOW she's not gay^^ She just really likes Hunter X Hunter

RainbowSheltie
09-05-2004, 06:33 PM
I'm not gay, but I'm going to Crossplay as Riku (KH II). Hm... I'm not a guy, but I'm not a lesbian, either. I just think Riku's the coolest!!

Sakura-chan

Konrad-Chan
09-29-2004, 08:46 PM
I'm not gay!

Then again...oh wait...I don't really crossplay.

Nightfire
09-29-2004, 09:49 PM
Boy, do I think I have a slightly odd situation. I'm not gay, I'm straight mind you, but everyone that meets me usually end up thinking that when they get to know me a bit better, until I correct them, simply because of the fact that I don't have much interest in girls right now, despite being almost 17. Anyway, I'm gonna crossplay Yuna from FFX, and I could really care less what people think, with the exception of my family because, y'know, I gotta live with em and everything for now =/. I just like her character. She seems to be a lot like me in many respects, but I think I'm getting slightly off topic. The point is, just because you crossplay doesn't make you gay, or weird, or anything else like that. I'm doing Yuna because I see a lot of myself in her character, others may have the same reason, they just might like the outfit, I dunno. But whatever the reason, crossplayers being gay is just not true. It's just a bad stereotype that has gotten out of hand.

Karisu-sama
09-30-2004, 09:03 AM
The point is, just because you crossplay doesn't make you gay, or weird, or anything else like that. I'm doing Yuna because I see a lot of myself in her character, others may have the same reason, they just might like the outfit, I dunno. But whatever the reason, crossplayers being gay is just not true. It's just a bad stereotype that has gotten out of hand.
Word. I cosplay Dilandau because I see a lot of myself in his character. (And yes, I'm talking about the pre-end-of-series version of him.) It has everything to do with his personality and experiences, and not with sexual orientation.

Lengis
10-03-2004, 02:26 AM
Yeah, us girls go "Awwwwww cute!" and "Is he taken? I hope not!!" ~___^

I once saw a REALLY cute guy crossplaying Sakura from Sakura Taisen, and if *I* were single, I'd probably have tried REAL HARD to make his acquaintance. ~___^

(...So why would you care what other GUYS think? :p )



hmm, so guys gotta wear a dress to pick up chicks these days? So much for that little thing called..... dignity! Unlike THOSE losers, I still have mine!



/me goes back to watching A Walk to Remember

Yunalesca
10-03-2004, 02:46 AM
Makes no sense. Most transvestites are straight.

Delayra
10-03-2004, 06:59 AM
hmm, so guys gotta wear a dress to pick up chicks these days? So much for that little thing called..... dignity! Unlike THOSE losers, I still have mine!

Dignity . . . hoards of cute girls fawning over you . . . hrm. Does that equation balance out?

wulfmune
10-03-2004, 09:58 AM
hmm, so guys gotta wear a dress to pick up chicks these days? So much for that little thing called..... dignity! Unlike THOSE losers, I still have mine!

because dressing in women's clothing is so degrading? >_>;

dude, i have alot of respect for people who dress however they please without letting people with attitudes like yours spoil their fun.

Konrad-Chan
10-03-2004, 11:17 AM
Dignity . . . hoards of cute girls fawning over you . . . hrm. Does that equation balance out?

Yeah, crossplaying's fun.

And I think Lengis was kidding, since he put "goes back to watching A Walk to Remember" at the bottom of his post.

MemoriesofYuna
10-03-2004, 11:41 AM
im a straight female and i think crossplay is totally awsum and hillarious. i cant call myself a true crossplayer but i know that im going to steal my friends Tidus costume and force him into my Yuna costume at LEAST once every few months ^^ that would make a GREAT photo shoot eh? there are some great male crossplayers though who arent gay or i don't think are gay. like Cardcaptor will.... LOVE HIM. and in his words "girls just wanna have fun" but then again im 14 so i wouldn't nko much. ^^ -Aseret yuna er... tidus.

wulfmune
10-03-2004, 12:49 PM
And I think Lengis was kidding, since he put "goes back to watching A Walk to Remember" at the bottom of his post.

my bad. i didn't catch that. i haven't seen that movie and sarcasm/joking was lost on me when i didn't understand the context.

Ginger Catgirl
10-06-2004, 05:08 PM
Speaking from a 'cute chick's perspective, I like guys who crossplay... I think it's not so much dignity as is... oh what's the word... the thing that means you like DAMN I can't think of it. Like, guys who crossplay aren't restricted by gender they just have confidence in whoever they are, comfortable with themselves, right, BRAVERY a ha ha ha that's the word. It takes balls to dress like a girl, and I for one admire them for that.

And from a female crossplayer's perspective.... boy are the guy's costumes more comfortable! HEEEEEEEEEEEE

and in some characters, you can still be cute and glomp-y!

Tentacle_Guy
10-06-2004, 05:22 PM
I think you're looking for the work coinfidence

KittenJay
10-07-2004, 11:17 AM
I am a self proclaimed bishounen who has dreams of crossplaying (If my dad would stop destroying my work *Grumble, Grumble*)... And here's the best part, my little fangirls(!) I ain't gay!

Nezrain
10-11-2004, 02:08 PM
Well, I don't know if it's any help, but I'm a crossplaing girl, and I'm not lesbian.

ACXchan
10-11-2004, 02:51 PM
Just because you crossplay doesn't make you gay but neither should people act as if being called gay is something awful or insulting. I'm bisexual so most people pin me incorrectly either way (black and white world, what a shame) but it's not a big deal to me if someone thinks I'm gay or straight, they'd be half-right XD I find most people who automatically draw a correlation between someone's costume and their sexual orientation has already missed the point of my cosplay, ie. love for the character.

Nezrain
10-13-2004, 03:22 AM
Actually, I have to agree with the above. A lot of my friends are homosexual/bisexual, and I hate it when people speak badly of them purely because of their sexual orientation.

Apsara
10-13-2004, 09:07 AM
There are many lesbians who enjoy feminine clothing and behavior. No one assumes that if a lesbian puts on a dress then she must want sex with men. The same logic applies to men. A lot of men enjoy feminine clothing and behavior, too. If a guy puts on a dress, it doesn't mean he wants sex with men. It means he wants to put on a dress.

*grins at the above very true very good post* 'nuf said.

Apsara

Shaman Soul
10-13-2004, 09:23 AM
ok, i agree with gren 100%
im so confused over that whole issue if a gay man likes men.... why would he be attracted to a man who looks like a girl ? there obviously not attracted to females if there gay, so why would a man dress as a girl to get a gay mans attention. i hate those people who think that guys who wear girls clothes are gay. im not gay, and i enjoy wearing fishnet pantyhose and alot of other womens things, people shouldnt judge people like that.and those same people will talk to other people about your sexuality before they act civilized and ask you themselves. next time i hear someone asking someone else if im gay, im propable gonna kick some ass. come to me ya know ?
but i agree that ther is many crossplayers on this website who arent gay. im not gay, and if i my mom would let me be me for once and let me crossplay id be out there in my mana costume in a heartbeat. doesnt mean im gay, oh well mabye its just me.

Delayra
10-13-2004, 10:36 AM
let me be me for once and let me crossplay id be out there in my mana costume in a heartbeat

Well, technically, Mana wouldn't be a crossplay ;)

wulfmune
10-13-2004, 12:45 PM
after thought: why do people write things like " no offense please" and then word things in offensive manners? it would have been much more polite to word this topic something like " is it my imagination or does crossplaying have to do with sexual orientation?". no offense please is a lame way to word things. if someone really doesn't want to offend people..take 5 extra minutes to try and say it in a less offensive way then "why does it seem like only gays crossplay" :/ im sure there's alot more ways of opening the discussion then making accusations.

Sephiroth-chan
10-26-2004, 10:16 AM
I am a self proclaimed bishounen who has dreams of crossplaying (If my dad would stop destroying my work *Grumble, Grumble*)... And here's the best part, my little fangirls(!) I ain't gay!

After you've been attacked by a cluster of the "SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE! *pounce tackle glomp molest*" fangirls...you MIGHT decide to change your mind about saying that.

Though, good luck...and be sure to post pics when you get your first crossplay done!

Mithos
11-01-2004, 02:00 AM
I'm not gay but I like crossplay. I'd love to do some egl stuff but I don't know where to start. Anyone who wants to help me can pm me ;)

Shaman Soul
11-09-2004, 09:52 AM
Well, technically, Mana wouldn't be a crossplay ;)

to my moms knowlage it would be XD

Anja
11-09-2004, 10:13 AM
I'm not gay but I like crossplay too ^^

ZakuKitty
11-09-2004, 12:39 PM
I'm not gay and neither are some of my other friends who dress up as the opposite sex. Personally I like guy characters better...not to mention that to do j-rock they are exclusively guys in my tastes. Guess most people are still stereotyped to that belief. :sulk: :hafha:

Moonlit Child
11-09-2004, 04:33 PM
I got my start in cosplay by crossplaying---Because I'm not a big fan of a of the "typical anime babe" look, I figured I'd stick to guy's outfits. They're less revealing and in a way, make it easier to pull off being androgenous, especially if you have a very curvy body and don't want to go into a lot of troble to hide it; but still want to conceal your gender. I can see where the stereotype of the gay/bi crossplayer comes from though, and it's stupid if you ask me. Personally, I've never concidered sexual orientation as a big factor. You do what you do. You are what you are. It's a shame so many people get wrapped up in the stereotype to begin with.

void13
11-19-2012, 08:24 AM
i don think it just lgbtq people that crosplay i just think you kind of cross play is basically drag well bed drag but never then less and gay me are defiantly more willing to express them self-in a more effeminate way ( braver (for obvious reasons))
thats my 2c any way :)

chrono4281
11-19-2012, 11:20 AM
I'm not gay, but I like to crossplay. Being a female is fun. It's more rewardeing to me if I fool people...means I'm doing the costume/character correctly.
I've been called female several times. It's more about admiration for a character. There are many guys I want to cosplay and probably now more girls I want to crossplay as well.

Ren-no-chi
11-19-2012, 05:43 PM
I'm gay, and while I rarely crossplay, I've met people from all walks of life who do - gay, straight, transgender, etc. It's a personal choice, not who you're attracted to. :) Who knows, maybe I'll pull out my Hinata crossplay out again and join their ranks(yeah, I know I sound cheesy).

Apple Adams
11-20-2012, 05:35 PM
Honestly, kiddo, crossplay is just one of those many hobbies that attracts all sorts. There are going to be some that are gay (such as myself), but there are also going to be so many others that aren't. My best male friend, for example, does drag with me on several occasions as well as crossplays. Yet he identifies as straight and, not only has a lovely girlfriend, but is with a woman who finds the fact that he feels comfortable enough to embrace any sort of femininity to be a real turn-on. Hell, last year for Fanime, they went as Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash, and they could barely keep their hands off each other! :P

The point is, it's a hobby that attracts all sorts. Yes, some will be gay. Some will be straight, some will be bisexual or pansexual or even asexual. But at the end of the day, sexuality doesn't even factor into it. It's just something people (regardless of orientation) enjoy doing. If you want to femme it up, femme it up! To hell with your friends' narrow-minded opinions.

Li_Syaoran
11-20-2012, 09:39 PM
I just started cross playing

ImNewHere
11-20-2012, 11:51 PM
I crossplay and I don't have a gay bone in my body. In fact, me crossplaying is the only way to get a girl to look at me twice! Besides, it's fun. Yeah, I am straight (and unfortunately single) and I crossplay.

peacelovepandas
11-26-2012, 07:45 AM
This is from a female point of view; I crossplay, my best friend crossplays all the time (she actually refuses to do a female cosplay because she feels she can pull off guys better), and my ex-boyfriend crossplays and none of us have a gay-or lesbian- bone in our body.

Personally, I think cosplayers in general get a bad rep. Everyone seems to think we bend the other way; we can be straight if we want to though.

Eau de Decus
11-27-2012, 12:13 AM
Holy thread resurrection. You need to dust the dirt and cobwebs off this one.

ImNewHere
11-27-2012, 08:15 PM
I did not notice the start date. I just looked at a few replies before mine.

It was some pretty epic necroposting though.

KirstenAnon
11-27-2012, 11:55 PM
I must admit I am a lesbian crossplayer. I also have done female costumes too though. But people don't crossplay because they are gay, they do it because they simply like cosplaying characters of the opposite sex. There are lots of straight crossplaying girls(unfortunate for me) and I'm sure guys too.

Catscatscats
12-04-2012, 11:33 PM
I consider myself asexual but all I've ever done is crossplay, mainly because there aren't that many female characters I've liked IN THE PAST. But as I've gotten into more things I've gotten to like more female characters from newer animes I've watched, as well as newer video games I've played.

Why can't everyone in the world be pansexual? That'd be the life.

sephygoth
12-13-2012, 04:27 PM
Why can't everyone in the world be pansexual? That'd be the life.

because then there'd b no reason for movies/fashion/privacy/sex toys/viagra/ oops etc etc the list goes on there.

Either way, old old OLD thread, which is obviously incorrect.

Libis
12-13-2012, 09:10 PM
I must admit I am a lesbian crossplayer. I also have done female costumes too though. But people don't crossplay because they are gay, they do it because they simply like cosplaying characters of the opposite sex. There are lots of straight crossplaying girls(unfortunate for me) and I'm sure guys too.

Yeah, I'm about as straight as humanly possible and I still crossplayed as Vergil this year and am pondering being Howl (Howl's Moving Castle) in a few years.

namida009
12-14-2012, 02:23 AM
I just make a more convincing 10-year-old boy than I do 19-year-old girl. As an asexual, "gayness" has nothing to do with it - it's just a matter of who I like and who I can resemble somewhat.

Alice MacLeod
12-18-2012, 06:33 AM
Well I am not gay. I am an Asexual meaning I have no interest in anyone really. I don't consider myself cross-playing either as I am a Male to Female transgender. It's not my fault I am like this but you know what the Cosplay community has been the nicest ever to me and if it was not for that I would prolly be long gone by now. Some say i do it for fetish which is not remotely even possible when i am asexual. I have no drive so how can it be fetish? I got a really nice pink Lolita outfit today and am very happy with it but I still have confidence issues. My very first time out to the Anime North in Toronto in May went ok but I didn't look anywhere near as good as I do now as I have learned a lot since then and have grown a lot more hair lol

I didn't think I could pull off pink Lolita though. My friend says it looks ok but I just don't know

PhantomWolf
12-30-2012, 05:33 AM
Just wanted to add, as old as this is, and even though I'm new, I'm considering crossplaying as Tifa or Aeris with my wife (though going as "friends"), and I'm more straight than most "normal" men, I don't even like watching porn if it involves a man and his genitalia; it grosses me out.

For some reason, seeing myself in something sexy, depending on what it is, does slightly turn me on however, not because I look like a man, but because I'm actually built more like a girl.

I also have personal reasons for wanting to do it, because I'm a philosopher and study psychology, and want to compare how women treat a similar personalities that are coming from a woman, when I'm used to seeing their reaction from a man. It also interests me, because I'm not a player, because I don't lead girls on for sex, but I still do know how to make a target hot for me, and wanted to see how they'd react to the same stimulus given from another female, that almost always works (different ones for different personalities).

So everyone has their reasons for doing it, some more out there than others... ^_^

chibi_kitsune
01-10-2013, 03:16 AM
I don't think it has anything to do with sexuality, at least for me. I just go by what character, outfit, etc...that I like. Some happen to be men, some women, some androgynous, etc.....

I think this is more of a stereotype, but that has been said many times, seeing how old this thread is.

Tigersoul
01-10-2013, 04:29 AM
read the first few pages (man is this thread long...)

Personally, the only reason I'd chide anyone for crossplaying is if they did a bad job of it (and that goes for cosplaying in general) If anything I have more respect for people who crossplay (provided they put appropriate effort into it) because there's so much more that has to be done when dealing with a costume that's been designed for the opposite gender. (not to mention it's a trot-ton more awkward and uncomfortable if you really go the extra mile with falsies, corset, heels, etc --- THAT is dedication!)

I have met a very few homosexuals who crossplay, but ya know what? they do it for THE SAME REASON EVERYONE COSPLAYS --- that they love the character! Nothing at all to do with their orientation (and more than a few have made some version of the joke "I could _never_ pick up a (gay) guy dressed like this!")

Also, just a fun fact. Go on any major art site like Deviant Art and search for cosplays of any of the main characters from "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic" and you'll find a large number of guys (especially if you search "Rainbow Dash Cosplay") I'd say it's statistically improbably that all of them are gay (and personally I say "...and if they are, so what?")

Lastly, for what it's worth, I'm Proudly planning ($$$ and time permitting) to Crossplay Rainbow Dash at Dragon*Con this year!

SirWonderusMary
01-10-2013, 05:57 AM
I'm late on this, and not sure if anyone else commented on it but Cross-playing ISN'T new. This generation isn't new to it, since men have done it probably longer than women. I can't remember which time it was, but during the era of plays, men played both the male AND female parts since they didn't allow women to do much of anything besides be a house-wife. They wore dresses, had make up on, probably tried as best as they could to have a feminine voice. But I doubt ALL of them we're "gay". On another note, just screw them. Those that cross-plays have balls for doing what they're doing, so instead of hating them they should appreciate them more

Alice MacLeod
01-11-2013, 02:08 PM
Well legally men could wear a dress in France as far back as the crusade era. Women however were executed if they dressed up as a man, as the men had more rights then women did. it was looked at as an excuse for a woman to gain the status and rights of a man and was considered highly illegal thus punishable by death. I did a lot of crusade era stuff and despite what the SCA says dressing up as the opposite gender is historically accurate. They threw me out for being transgender and if we had the rights we have now I would have fought them.

kidcyco
01-17-2013, 12:46 PM
Straight but to ugly to crossplay
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Akune-chan
01-17-2013, 01:26 PM
I am female but I crossplay and I assure you, I am straight.

I feel its more of a stigma thing. I don't know why. People just need to get off their ass and let go of the past.

Kaliza
01-17-2013, 04:28 PM
Yeah I've only done one crossplay so far, but the reason was not my sexual orientation(I'm straight, not that it matters), it was because I liked the character, and the anime and he was the only main character in this anime with an outfit I thought I could pull off (his partner wore skimpy clothes, which I would not look good in, and the other main character I knew I couldn't pull off.)

Saki_Watari
01-23-2013, 03:46 AM
I'm so straight my ovaries exploded when I watched Hugh Jackman in Van Helsing... lol. I still crossplay. I do about an even split of male/female characters. And if one of my favorites has any fanbase of a genderbend I almost always go for the female version. For me, it's the character that matters, not the gender.

Plenty of reasons for crossplay!
1. Guys are faster. For example, I have a Canada cosplay and a Fem!Canada cosplay. The wig for the male Canada cosplay is much easier to deal with than my fem Canada one. If I'm pressed for time, I go for male Canada. You have not lived until you have put on tights while driving to the con...
2. Guys don't have to look like they stepped out of Vogue. I'm not exactly pretty. It is easier for me to pass as an okay guy than a beautiful girl.
3. Sometimes, a male character wouldn't be easily recognizable in genderbent form. If I showed up to a con as a female Link, people would think I was Zelda.
4. Some things that make the character who they are wouldn't translate well to a female character. For example, FemSanji. I've seen it done, and it's adorable... But Fem Sanji creeps me out! It's like "Let me feed you- now kiss me Zoro~" I would rather just be male Sanji
5. Sometimes, I just want to show my appreciation for that character's style. Jack Frost from Rise of the Guardians. I'm planning to get two white wigs, one long, one short. A blue hoodie and brown skinny jeans are not gender specific, so I can have two quick cosplays for the suitcase space of one. I just freaking love that hoodie!
6. Finally, most importantly... I cosplay for fun, not attention. It's my way of having fun with like-minded people and showing support for my fandom of choice. I am NOT looking for a date. When you dress up as a female anime character, you will end up having a creeper. I do not handle creepers very well, so rather than cosplay Nami, Luffy seems to be a better option if my group is doing One Piece.

DespairedPheonix
01-23-2013, 11:18 AM
why does it matter?

kyronami
01-23-2013, 12:51 PM
The funny thing is, in old Shakespeare plays all the parts of women were played by guys and it was normal.

Kitsunebi-chan
01-31-2013, 10:45 PM
i as well crossplay and not only straight but also a black girl :D ( some people and even those in the cosplay community get all anal about that )

but yeah really why should it matter? :D cosplay is cosplay :D

Sayoria
01-31-2013, 11:12 PM
i as well crossplay and not only straight but also a black girl :D ( some people and even those in the cosplay community get all anal about that )

but yeah really why should it matter? :D cosplay is cosplay :D

Oh no! You are black? END OF THE WORLD!

Seriously, cosplay is for fun. People need to stop being so damn anal.... pardon that french. :/

Eternalanime
02-01-2013, 02:27 AM
I'm straight and when I decided I wanted to cosplay I started to think of my favorite characters to choose from. It so happens quite a few were female and I thought it would be cool to go as one of them. Cosplay should be all about fun and interacting with fellow people. I gotta couple cosplays being made that are female and I can't wait to go to AB with them.

Crossplay for AB 2013:
Ada Wong from Resident Evil 6
Sailor Neptune from Sailor Moon

I hope to have one more but well see.

BlazeofWar60
02-03-2013, 04:59 PM
I ain't gay either and I crossplay because 1. It's fun to hang out with others in my fandom who join in the fun of crossplaying, and 2. It's sometimes amusing to see if people can get my correct gender.

As Larcenciel said here cosplaying is all about having fun. Maybe there's a higher percentage of gay people in the MtF crossplaying community compared to the overall population, but still that doesn't mean all MtF crossplayers are gay.

EvilLittleKiss
02-03-2013, 11:46 PM
I'm straight and enjoy crossplaying as guys.

BisectedBrioche
02-04-2013, 07:31 AM
Straight MtF crossplayer here.

Personally, I enjoy making the costume more than wearing it, so masking my gender's just another challenge for me.

Kurokoi
02-12-2013, 07:49 PM
Im straight as a 2x4. Ask anyone I know and theyll tell you I LOVE me some girls <3 but I find something like crossplay very interesting and fun :O

Sayoria
02-12-2013, 08:33 PM
2x4s can get warped in the rain you know.

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Were you rained on? =D

Tak-kun
02-13-2013, 02:27 AM
I'm gay, but I would never crossplay. It just is not for me, even though people always tell me "oh my gosh you're so fabulous and feminine you should totally try crossplaying!"

Not saying crossplaying is a bad thing. I just don't have the balls nor the desire to do it. :p

Sayoria
02-13-2013, 10:42 AM
I just don't have the balls to do it. :p

That makes things easier!

Ilafatyu
02-13-2013, 01:08 PM
I pretty much live my life half-crossed. Not sure where that puts me.

Unless it doesn't count if your sex chromosomes are homozygous.

Tak-kun
02-13-2013, 09:28 PM
That makes things easier!

I C WUT U DED THAR.

Clever. ;p

Sayoria
02-13-2013, 10:37 PM
When the door is left wide open, why break a window? :p

lsd
02-13-2013, 10:50 PM
Well... I just know one male crossplayer .... and he is bisexual and well I dunno he says it he does it for the experience of being someone else..
and that includes a girl.
once he did it because he loved a character.. other time because he just wanted to look sexy.


I want to start doing crossplay (I;m a girl) but its mostly cuz the character is awesome

Kurokoi
02-15-2013, 02:16 AM
2x4s can get warped in the rain you know.

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Were you rained on? =D

DAMMIT YOU FOUND MY LOOPHOLE.

Sayoria
02-15-2013, 02:34 AM
DAMMIT YOU FOUND MY LOOPHOLE.

I look into the loopholes allllllllllllllll the time. I am good like that. c:

Alice MacLeod
02-15-2013, 02:41 AM
Well I just like being who I was meant to be. Some people will never understand that though. I like wearing Lolita and nice Victorian outfits. Is there anything wrong with that? It is not my fault my body was assembled wrong. I just got into a hug e fight with my mirror tonight over that very debate all because I got this new Gothic Lolita outfit I been dieing to try out and it said I am fugly!! the nerve of that looking glass!! I just looked it in the eye and said I don't care anymore and got all dolled up anyhow lol