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t00tsypop
03-01-2012, 12:50 PM
i had posted an add on cosplay bout needing pants made asap... and wtf.blackmarket.tk had sent me an email saying theyd do it.. blah blah blah. so iv bought'n my pants through them and when i got them they were awesome looking. come around early may 2011.. i ordered two costumes from them. they said theyd be ready before otakon around july 2011. well my costumes never came in. i gave them the benifit of the doubt cause a tropical storm was going over them around the time they shipped it. and i know they wernt pulling my chain cause i looked it up on a weather radar. so gave them time to recover. they had given me a tracking number, but the number was no good cause it didnt have enough numbers.. i kept telling them at in the emails i was sending them but were just ignoring my question bout double checking the tracking numbrt. so anyways i started asking them do you know where my costumes are? the girl had to go to the post office and pick them up. come to find out it had gotten damaged. so she said give us a month to fix them. so i did cause i didnt have a con at the time soon. well the NY con came around.. and i really wanted to have them cause the creater of the anime was going to be there. well they still didnt come in. i was starting to get frustated cause like i have spent $400 some dollars and have yet to see what they even look like. their responce time was starting to suck aswell. i send a message and it take at first 2 weeks for a responce.. but now it was starting to turn into a month ... and now im just not hearing from them at all. they had finally fixed my costumes around dec. and then at jan. 8th they said theyv sent it.. its now march. im rolling up to a year now. they havent given me a tracking number.. im pretty upset. i mean they had finally sent me a pic of them around dec. to make sure that that was them.. but i mean idk what to do. i cant do much on paypal. its been way over 42 days. :/ and like i said i spent $400 some on them so im not given up on them.. but at the same time this has made me start learning costume maken myself. :(

t00tsypop
04-25-2012, 01:33 PM
so after i had posted this i had been message by someone by them telling me to take this down.. i told them i wouldnt till i got my costumes. that was march 5. they asked me what my costumes were and that they be sent out the next time i hear from them.. it is now april 25.. and i hardly hear from them. i heard they have another compainy... ounce i find out what its call i will post cause i dont another person to get through this b.s. keep being told ... my costumes are gonna be shipped over and over again and then hear nothing bout it.

Oniigiri_Basket
04-25-2012, 08:10 PM
It's really hard to read that giant wall of text. x_____x

angelbabycakes
04-26-2012, 03:37 AM
It's really hard to read that giant wall of text. x_____x

Kind of an odd unnecessary comment...I read it just fine. Might be hard on a phone, but I'm not sure why the comment was made...it doesn't have anything to do with what she's talking about, lol.

Back on topic: I know of at least another person having the same issues. Three people have been consistently promised cosplays and have yet to receive them and it's been well over a year for one. :/

mixaka
04-26-2012, 09:03 AM
That 3rd person would be me, I assume.

Your story is the same thing that happen with me, though i got a few additional excuses (sick contact person, typhoon, flooding, remake of shoes due to error, customs trouble, damaged in mail, sick relative, dead relative). What I don't understand is that I've seen the costume, and then paid the requested shipping costs, but they never shipped it. I think they destroyed the work somehow and can't afford to re-make it but they refuse to say that is what is happening. I kept getting told that some members were taking commission money and then ran off with it, without doing any work. But I don't see how that applies to my commission as I know it was worked on and got pictures. They don't seem to keep any records either, and the contact person seems to change, so with each new person I have to contact, they have no idea what I have already been told, what has been done with my costume, or what I have paid.

If it helps, the contact I've been told to use is Decy Boom decyboom@hotmail.com. But that person never seems to respond. Also Noel Catilo (Hannya) and/or Hannya Oniwabanshu on FB is one of the artists...but, again, you'd be lucky to get any sort of response. I know they were operating under the name Impworx on FB for a while, but that has been deleted. Who knows what name they are working under now. I'd just avoid any cosplay commissioner operating out of the Philippines as that is where all the members and ex-members with spin off commission groups seem to operate.

angelbabycakes
04-26-2012, 10:40 AM
You are the fourth now. :/

t00tsypop
04-27-2012, 01:50 AM
Yea decy is the person who told me take my complaint off cosplay lol so thays who iv been talkn too. Yea iv had the same excuses aswell. And I have two seen pic of my costumes aswell. So I don't understand what's the deal with just shipping them. I'm abit annoyed aswell cause I paid for express shipping aswell. :(

mixaka
04-27-2012, 03:13 AM
Actually, this is a fairly clever scam and why I will probably never commission again. They seem to accept the commission, finish, or get close to finishing the project, send pics, then ask for the final payment/shipping saying it will ship. But, nothing ships. It's a scam because they get to keep the money you used to pay for shipping, the costume and materials you paid them for, and whatever they charged for their time. All they had to do was put in a little time and effort to actually make the costume. And why not put forth the effort if you are only going to end up keeping the costume for yourself? With this type of scam happening, there is literally no safe way to commission anything unless you require the project be complete before the pp deadline. Makes me sad as I used to love this hobby but it seems everyone is out to one up themselves at the expense of others these days.

t00tsypop
04-27-2012, 06:17 AM
Well I have order from them before and got my costume. It's just all of a sudden my next order this bull happens. Lol. But yea.. I'm scared to order from a commissioner now. I'm attempting at my first costume for this up Comen con. So lol

Kagomekai
04-27-2012, 11:15 AM
I think its horrible when people pull this bull, it scares away people from the honnest commisioners. I feel for both of you and everyone else who's been scammed. It's disgusting what these scammers do cuz like I said it causes the honnest people to lose business.

mixaka
05-08-2012, 07:14 PM
I have recently been contacted by Decy and given additional photos of my items. Who knows if I will ever get them, but they did finally get back to me after several weeks of no contact.

angelbabycakes
05-09-2012, 01:51 AM
Glad to hear this. They seem to be, hopefully, righting the wrongs and sending out products. I hope this is true!

t00tsypop
05-12-2012, 08:33 PM
i have also been contacted aswell bout them fixing up my one costume cause a few things had broken off. she said their are currently fixing them and should be sent out at the end of the month. so i hope aswell. :(

fantasyzheavenz
05-18-2012, 05:21 PM
omg...i am soo scared...i just put the downpayment 250 with the same company. its going to be total 400 at the end...and after hearing this review..i dont know what to do if i should proceed with the rest of the payment..atm..their response time is slow..they said they will give me a pic any time soon...what do you guys suggest.. did this company fix their mistakes yet?

angelbabycakes
05-19-2012, 11:17 PM
As far as I know...no one has gotten products. At this point...I'm shocked they are accepting new orders without finishong the last orders first. :/

StHoly
05-20-2012, 03:07 AM
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StHoly
05-20-2012, 03:11 AM
Anyone out there reading this, WE, those who ordered and paid in 2011, have not gotten any of our costumes yet.


We strongly encourage you NOT to do any business with wtf black market studio before we have our costumes.

Our costumes are supposedly due LAST year, 2011. It has been May 20th 2012, and no news (other than false promises "quote from angelbabycakes") Mine was due November 2012

We do NOT want you to be in the same situation as well. So if you understand, please do NOT put down any payment or any of that sort until WE receive something as promise
d. Or you will be in the same situation as ours...!

StHoly
05-20-2012, 08:31 PM
omg...i am soo scared...i just put the downpayment 250 with the same company. its going to be total 400 at the end...and after hearing this review..i dont know what to do if i should proceed with the rest of the payment..atm..their response time is slow..they said they will give me a pic any time soon...what do you guys suggest.. did this company fix their mistakes yet?

if you could, please do not pay until you get confirmations from many of us... you maybe scammed (not 100% sure) but yea.. it's better to lose $250 than $400..

LinkofHearts
05-21-2012, 03:02 AM
Daaammmnnn.....Good to know about this. That's insanely wrong. : (

fantasyzheavenz
05-21-2012, 06:04 PM
well the paypal dispute takes time line is 45 and my bank chase timeline is 60. mine is over the timeline, i guess you can add me as another victim. This person have not contacted me in a while after i gave her 3 responses in email. I think what most people overlook on is that even though a member in this community have their own name and profile ( i check this person for reviews but found nothing ), people ( like me ) overlook the transaction. ( the member they were associated with was wtf.blackmarket.tk as a company name ). FML

fantasyzheavenz
05-21-2012, 06:10 PM
the username is
Impness
method of contact: Inez Mae Padilla <inezmaepadilla@hotmail.com>
have not receive any word from this person yet..

t00tsypop
05-21-2012, 06:39 PM
although this whole thing has suckd.. iv now learnd to start maken my own costumes. i just finished my first one day. shocked me how well it turnd out. but i had gotta an email at the begining of the month saying my order will be shipped out at the end of the month. i hope to hear from them. tho i did yell about how their responce time is beyond tarrable. i do wish their word is finally true. and all that has fallen victume.. much luck. :(

angelbabycakes
05-21-2012, 06:53 PM
Mine were supposed to be shipped out today, and I was supposed to see photos Saturday, but nothing so far. It's Tuesday there, so they haven't done jack. I wouldn't expect they will get anything to you, sadly. :/

StHoly
05-22-2012, 06:20 PM
^same as angelbabycakes.
my costume was supposed to reach by AKON.. but i dont think it will now. :/

t00tsypop
05-24-2012, 04:28 PM
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angelbabycakes
05-24-2012, 04:59 PM
Those aren't correct. I've talked to her before. She's not associated with them anymore -- please don't bother her! She actually owns her own shop and was really great when I contacted her a year or two ago. She used to promote them because they were friends, but has nothing to do with them now. She can't do anything as she really doesn't have much contact with them. I've tried her and many others. This person was never on the team and cannot help -- please do not flood her with texts, calls, and e-mails.

t00tsypop
05-25-2012, 01:26 AM
Oh :x my bad I didn't know.

angelbabycakes
05-25-2012, 01:46 AM
No problem! I just didn't want to get her associated again, as she told me she was getting numerous threats and complaints from people before and she had nothing to do with the company. Just promoted them because she was friends. She's really nice, so I just wanted to leave her name out as she has her own company and I'd hate to have that name mixed up with this one.

Anyone heard anything yet?

t00tsypop
05-25-2012, 04:22 AM
Saddly not yet:(

angelbabycakes
05-25-2012, 04:54 AM
Yeah, me neither...my con is in a week. That will make the same con they missed last year when my cosplays were due. If they are trying to make a better name for their company...they seem to be failing horribly.

t00tsypop
05-25-2012, 07:28 AM
Yea my con that I orgi Amy order it for is Comen up soon aswell. They need to have a better response time. This ounce a month thing is annoying

fantasyzheavenz
05-27-2012, 04:21 AM
let me get this straight. impness is not associated with wtf.blackmarket.tk ? why is she still promoting them? and WHY is she still acting like they do. I HAVE NOT GOTTEN A SINGLE F****** response from her or any sort of pictures even though i msg her 3 times already.the due date has already passed. SHE IS ONE OF THEM @!!!!

fantasyzheavenz
05-27-2012, 04:30 AM
and what i mean by promoting is that on the transaction it said the company name is : wtf.blackmartket.tk in paypal.

angelbabycakes
05-27-2012, 07:06 AM
No, the information that t00tsypop posted was of someone else that isn't associated with this company. I wanted to clear that up becuase I know for sure this other person isn't. We were talking about someone else.

mixaka
05-27-2012, 08:44 AM
If you have sent blackmarket or anyone associated with them money in the last 45 days go to paypal right NOW and file a claim to get your money back. If you don't, you will end up with no money and no costume. Don't listen to or believe ANYTHING they say.

fantasyzheavenz
05-27-2012, 04:13 PM
ah ok sorry. and my limit is passed 60 days.. so paypal and the bank unable to fix

StHoly
05-28-2012, 01:19 PM
any news? i didn't get any.. my con is next week (a-kon)... :(

mixaka
05-29-2012, 08:01 AM
Clearly, no one is ever getting their costumes. I have been told my costume is ready to ship since summer of 2011. Nothing has been shipped and no matter how many times I say to send whatever is ready, nothing ships and they ignore any questions about why (that is when they even bother responding at all.....seems to be about 1 email every 3 months at this point). But everything they say is a lie. If you are expecting them to send you anything at this point you are fooling yourselves. You aren't getting anything.

They have our money and they know it or else they would at the very least try to defend their actions but they don't cause they know they don't have to do shit at this point, so that is exactly what they do. How often did they respond to you before the paypal deadline passed? And how often do they respond now? What pisses me off the most is that is (and/or was) a supposedly a well know cosplay group in the Philippines, yet they are able to get away with things like this. I wonder if they treat their local customers the same way international customers are treated? My guess is locals actually get what they pay for while our projects are forgotten.

Also, someone mentioned they are still trying to gather business? Are they advertising somewhere? If you see them advertising, please warn people. No one should be sending these people money....for anything.

angelbabycakes
05-29-2012, 08:15 AM
From what I know, they've trashed their name in the Philippines...which is probably why they are doing business internationally. None of us know anything about them. What I don't get is, I've ordered from them multiple times...and at least gotten my cosplays, even though they were late.

My advice is to send a written letter to them demanding they send products or a refund. This is the beginning stages of suing someone. They have a certain time to either send a refund or the products. If they don't, then a legal case can begin, which a lawyer then gets involved. I was scammed out of quite a bit of money, so I have reason to want to take it further. If anyone else wants to do so, we can join together and form a class action lawsuit.

mixaka
05-29-2012, 08:55 AM
Maybe the fact that we don't know anything about them is the problem. When the group split, all of a sudden no one felt they needed to take responsibility for anything. That's not how a business works. Anyone who was part of the group at the time we sent payments last year has a responsibility to assist us. I only have 3 names, Noel Catilo (artist), Andro Villanueva (caretaker of the building) and Dean Angela Sy (apparently the 'contact' person.....). The only email that gets a response is decyboom@hotmail.com which is Dean's email. I used to be able to contact Noel via FB, but he created a new account. Then I found the new account and think he ditched that one and created a third one that I have yet to find. Clearly shows how much they care.

I'd like to know who this Impess is who is apparently still recruiting and taking money for the the group and also who TeL is as she was their recruiter back when I made my payment but then stopped any form of contact.

Would you file the suit in the Philippines? The US? I'm happy to help however I can. Do you happen to have their address? If so, I'll send a registered letter tomorrow.

Also, I live in Asia. I will be moving in July and have given them an ultimatum to ship my stuff or I will be visiting them in person during my August vacation assuming I can get the address. I don't believe my costume will be shipped so I suspect I will be visiting the Philippines this summer. Not that their actions have left me with a positive image of their country and it's people. I suspect I will quickly move onto Malaysia after hopefully picking up my costume.

Amaya
05-30-2012, 02:15 AM
Hello everyone,
I'm actually not involved in any of what is going on. I'm just posting because all three of you (Mixaka, Angelbabycakes and St.Holy) I have ALWAYS seen posting in the scamming threads and just wanted to say how SORRY i am about how many times you have been ripped off. I know my words can't fix anything, but I am seriously appalled at how many times you three have been scammed (I could be mistaken though. If I am I apologize). I just can't believe it...I am so sorry.

Just how many times have you three been ripped off anyway, if you don't mind me asking?
I've only been ripped off once, but after that things have been going very well for me.

You poor things just seem to have some really bad luck XD I just feel so bad for you guys! I just want to give you all a big hug!

mixaka
05-30-2012, 04:38 AM
Actually, this is my first time being scammed. And, the only reason it happened, was because I was shown pictures of my complete costume and props after threatening to file a paypal claim right before the deadline. The only thing missing were a pair boots. After seeing the pictures, and really liking what I saw, I assumed things were good and paid their requested shipping fee. But nothing was shipped. They provided a nice laundry list of excuses, but they have had my costume for a year at this point and never bothered to ship it. I can only assume they never will as they are clearly all horrible people.

StHoly
05-30-2012, 11:35 AM
it is my 2nd time being scammed.
first one was catnip cookie who scammed my $600.. even though i got my costumes, it was a total ripped off... :(

now i didn't get anything at all.. :(

angelbabycakes
05-30-2012, 04:54 PM
I've been scammed...more times now than I care to count, I guess. Sad thing is, I do my research. I get references, I check photos, I talk to past customers, and I check recent reviews. I have gotten my money back more than half the times. I think this is the only account where I haven't gotten it back, eventually, or at least something. I don't know what the problem is. I guess I'm just too nice and understanding about things. :/ Which is sad because my experiences make me want to not cosplay. I have run into some really sweet and amazing commissioners, especially as of late. So I have a restored hope in commissioners in general. :)

t00tsypop
05-31-2012, 04:50 AM
Guessing no one has heard anything yet? Trust me I'm the nicest person you'd meet and I'm. Vary polite and all that but Iv started to lose my nerves with them. Iv started getting nasty with them in my emails. But yes I'll join in with the lawsuit. :( my commission was my only bday present year ago and it sucks that I havent gotten it.

usuyukisou
05-31-2012, 12:32 PM
I have read the Commissioner Review Thread and the Recommendations and Warnings Thread front to back, and it's really terrible how many people wind up with horrible experiences. I've been lucky so far, but...

To be honest, a little while ago, I had actually marked this group as a potential commissioner to use. I had read kiratsukai's review in the review thread (it's marked as a B- under TeL/Blackmarket Studios if you want to read it) wherein she stated that they made A+ level products at good prices but had D level service due to how poor communication was and how late the items were. I had figured since my mother went everywhere for work on a regular basis including the Philippines, and that I had a physical address in the Philippines for them to send stuff to, that I wouldn't run into that kind of trouble.

I'm really glad I never went to them now. I have much more reliable places to get costumes from, and wonderful domestic commissioners if I want props (which were mainly what I had considered commissioning from Blackmarket, and also what I considered a nice plus to costumes as opposed to absolutely necessary, which is probably what saved me here).

GirlInACage
06-04-2012, 05:00 PM
I stumbled across this thread while looking for information on the user Impness. I commissioned something from her back in April and have had very poor communication. Last time we spoke she said it was ready to be painted and would be done soon. I just received an email today stating she had been in a "stampede accident" and the person I am now communicating with is her sister. She said she thinks my commission is done and wanted to verify what it looked like, etc.

So, for those of you dealing with Impness, have you had any luck? Did you get this email? And is she actually associated with Blackmarket? Because I commissioned from them awhile ago and had to file for a refund with my credit card due to what happened. (I was talking to Angelbabycakes about them, actually, small world! lol.. Not the best way to always stumble across you though. D: )

This will be my third time being scammed if this falls through. I make my own costumes usually, but I have a hard time with armor which is what I've been trying to get done. :/

Oh, and also, the PayPal used for me wasn't the blackmarket email address. It was linked to her Hello Nessy account.

t00tsypop
06-04-2012, 05:21 PM
funny cause with the black market it was um what was her name... im to lazy to flip back a page cause someone said her name oohh. tel. thats it.. she had gotten really sick after their tropical storm they had (which wasnt a lie btw cause when i was told that i went onto a radar and looked up the weather and saw they were haven one) but anywho i was talking to her mom for a while and then i started to get no responces from them. but its funny that somewhat of the same problem with going with you .. accident.. talking to sister.. and soon you hear nothing.

what i dont understand is .. when i started this thread ... decy send me a PM telling me to take this down that the company is trying to rebuild and all that.. but yet ... i still dont have my costumes.. that are apperently done. iv seen the pics. i dont get why its that hard to send it to me. this thread will remain up till i get my costumes and everyone who has fallen victumes.

fantasyzheavenz
06-04-2012, 06:04 PM
Good Morning Ma'am/Sir,

My name is Ira, I'm Inez's sister, She own Hello Nessy Cosplay Shop. I just wanted to ask what is your costume, name of character, from what show & a brief description how its supposed to look like?
I'm sorry for this late reply and I'm really sorry to inform you that my sister had been in a stampede accident, she just recovered last week and she informed me about costume orders, my aunt who is a seamstress had brought several cosplay costumes in our house and there are also some props like weapons and accessories, if Im not wrong, I believe your costume is one of those.
Also my sister told me for those who've missed their deadlines, kindly inform me with your reply as she wants to give compensation for those by shouldering the shipping fee of the package. For those who she missed deadlines with we want to apologize as what we encountered is unexpected, We're hoping for your kind consideration, If your deadline is not yet missed & will be coming soon, please do let me know as well so I can process shipping as soon as possible. Thank you very much and may God bless you always!

Regards,
Ira Marie Padilla
__________________________________________________ _______________________
yes i received this email too. and all i think was..........BS

fantasyzheavenz
06-04-2012, 06:06 PM
i will respond to this person and see how things will go even though i doubt anything will happen. if anything does happen ill let you ppl know

angelbabycakes
06-04-2012, 07:28 PM
Odd...I've e-mailed them every day and received no response.

t00tsypop, did you speak to TeL's mom through FaceBook and through her actual account, or someone claiming to be TeL's mom? To my understanding, the aunt of Inez/Ira is TeL, and TeL's husband is Noel. They are all connected, if in fact they are separate people. Something tells me it's one or two people pretending to be these other people. BlackMarket's e-mail used to be on my PayPal, but not anymore...now it's Inez's info. If I don't get a response soon, I'll start contacting every person on FaceBook that seems to be connected to them...

t00tsypop
06-04-2012, 10:01 PM
Yea I was talking to her
MOm through Facebook and through email. She told me tel feel vary I'll. And then all of a sudden her fb was gone.

usuyukisou
06-04-2012, 10:31 PM
Are you sure it's "gone"? Are you sure it hasn't just blocked you?

angelbabycakes
06-04-2012, 11:23 PM
If you were talking to her mom through TeL's account, she either blocked everyone or she deleted her account and made a new private one that's unsearchable. If you were speaking to her mom's FB account, she blocked you because I see her mom's account and am tempted to contact her.

I received the same e-mail above when I contacted Inez's e-mail...even though my e-mail said something very different as I've been waiting over a year for my cosplays, I got the same e-mail as everyone else. So she's obviously not reading what we're sending...so I don't know if she even really knows what's going on...if there is an Ira...now she is backtracking and saying my cosplays aren't there and is confused...asking if her sister did something wrong. Of course, I know she will deny association with BlackMarket...yet again, but thanks to fantasyzheavenz, I know this to be a lie.

I used to be able to find Decy Boom and Inez's profiles on FaceBook. They no longer exist.

t00tsypop
06-05-2012, 12:26 AM
Ugh why is this so frustrating. The annoying part is the fact they keep responding back to us. Given us hope.. And then just letting us Down again. In my resent email I told just send it to me broke or fixed Idc. I'm learning amor myself.

usuyukisou
06-05-2012, 12:29 AM
I'm not sure what Noel's connection to Inez/Ira or TeL/Krystal is. Noel really does exist (as a person), though. His parents both have very legitimate-looking profiles. (I found him through Sedney's profile; what's his connection?)

I do see one Decy Boom on Facebook. Picture features a girl wearing oversized sunglasses and a tacky cap. Won't link in case it's someone else.

mixaka
06-05-2012, 01:12 AM
What is the email you guys are using for Inez/Ira? The only working email I have is for someone who calls themselves Dean (the decy boom email)

Also, I think Tel and Noel are related as they share the same last name, Catilo. They also recently attended Hobbifest 2012 @ Robinsons Starmills Pampanga on May 12, 2012. Their names appear on a list of cosplayers who received a free bus ride to the event.

angelbabycakes
06-05-2012, 01:13 AM
That's Decy. She must have blocked me. Noel and TeL are both people I have been dealing with directly and doing business with directly for a few years. Noel is real, he is TeL's husband. He has either blocked be or locked his account and actually created a whole new one. I've messaged him before...but no response. i last heard from him in Feb. I believe and sent me to contact Decy. I am lead to believe that Inez is Impness...on FB she was Imp Ness, but blocked or deleted the account. A new account with her full name used to be there, but she either blocked me or deleted it.

"Ira" whomever she may be has been responding to me through e-mail...claims to have no idea about anything (though these were Inez's claims too). We keep getting passed on from person to person. No one is responding from the decyboom@hotmail.com e-mail that we were given to tell our complaints to...it's just really beyond maddening.

I contacted TeL's brother again...he was helpful in getting a response in Jan...but he's unresponsive now. Not sure why, but i imagine he's protecting his sister. TeL has a twitter, but it's protected, so not sure if she's been on it or not.

I don't get why they went from reputable to messing up their company name, cosplay group name, and their own names. TeL and Noel are pretty famous in the cosplay world of Filipinos. They've won countless awards. I just don't understand it. Why ruin so much?

usuyukisou
06-05-2012, 02:43 AM
Tel's cosplay FB profile (using a different surname) was updated as recently as one week ago.

The Noel I see (not his Hannya account) was made in December 2009, so it's likely he just blocked you.

I can see the Imp Ness account, although not much of it.

angelbabycakes
06-05-2012, 02:57 AM
What profile did you find for TeL?

usuyukisou
06-05-2012, 02:41 PM
^ It's called Tel Batiller. Funny, they seem to be monitoring this thread, since the profile is now deactivated.

angelbabycakes
06-05-2012, 05:12 PM
t00tsypop, your photo is on their "client list" on their website. The same one as your avatar. I found that interesting. I'm guessing that's the first cosplay they made for you? Anyways...no news about them or from them yet...

t00tsypop
06-05-2012, 05:25 PM
yea that was my first comm. from them. what webpage do i show up on?

angelbabycakes
06-05-2012, 05:48 PM
Their main one, but now I can't find it, lol.

GirlInACage
06-06-2012, 01:39 AM
Just to update, after I replied to their last email, this is what I got.. Good Morning,

Thank you for responding, I will mention your costume to her when I get back to the hospital after my work. Her friend who makes costume already photocopied their log book so I think We will see your costume listed there.

Regards,
Ira

I wish I had known before Impness was linked with blackmarket, after my last dealing with them. This is so frustrating. I have to try and have this commissioned ASAP now through someone else to get it done by August. :/ And hope that I get my money back. I'm hoping someone will hear something positive and post it to this thread, but I'm likely going to wait until next week then let them know I'm filing for a credit card refund. Since it's too long for PayPal. :(

angelbabycakes
06-06-2012, 02:17 AM
I wouldn't wait until next week...I'd do it now. From my understanding, TeL dropped BlackMarket and other people came in and took over. However, with my commissions, I commissioned directly and communicated directly with TeL and Noel all the way through everything. I have not dealt with any of these other names, except for Decy whom Noel sent me to the last time I spoke to him. Too bad for them TeL's name and PayPal is all over my transactions and bank statements.

Anyways, I wouldn't wait to file. I'd do it now...as the longer you wait, the less likely your credit card company will potentially do something.

StHoly
06-06-2012, 08:57 AM
so... someone has replies frm them? i have no replies or anything as of yet.. :(
my convention is over.. sigh.

mixaka
06-06-2012, 09:14 AM
I wouldn't wait. I think this thread makes it pretty clear that these are NOT people you want to do business with. Not responding to emails, claiming to be ready to ship goods that are never shipped, closing/blocking FB/twitter/email accounts so you can't contact them.....these are not behaviors you'd expect of a trustworthy business or a business trying to re-build after rough times. Even if they show you a picture of your completed commission and say the will ship it, there are at least 2 of us who have been shown previews of costumes that were never actually shipped. File your claim now and get your money back while you can.

We know that Impness (now Hello Nessy) on cos.com is associated with blackmarket. Why has this person not stepped in to explain or defend their business? Either here on via PM? Since they are watching this thread, why are they not doing anything (other than blocking our access to any of their accounts that we find)?

Also, (and to help make it easier for the search engine to find this info), Impness aka. Hello Nessy has opened up a new commission website called Hello Nessy!. You can find it at http://hello-nessy.webs.com/. Clearly, not recommended. Given how often this group of people seem to 'rebrand' themselves, I would suggest avoiding any commissioners located in the Philippines unless they have an impressive amount of feedback over a lengthy period of time.

GirlInACage
06-06-2012, 01:10 PM
I filed for my refund with my credit card company today. Funny enough, after posting on this forum yesterday, they sent ANOTHER email. Here is what I got.. Hi Ms. Amie.

My sister confirmed that your costume is already in progress, She wants you to know that the maker is fine and is set to finish your costume before the end of this month or the most late would be by the 1st week of July. She's recovering fast so hopefully she can handle the emails again by the coming week, She just wanted to tell you not to worry because at first she thought people will worry because there will be delay in communications but I answer customers' queries now so no worries, When she get back here she said she will send you the pictures of your costume so you may have idea how it looks like. Till then.

Regards,
Ira

Pretty much they are trying to drag this out in hopes we won't go after refunds, it seems. I still have never seen any photos, even though I emailed this "Ira" asking for photos since I had never received any. I don't see how they wouldn't have taken any before now or why he couldn't get me some for piece of mind, if it was actually in progress. It should've been done by now though. I'm going to use CosplayMandy now at the last minute, luckily they think they can get it done in time.

For those of you who used a credit card with your PayPal, you should be able to file for a refund via the non-receipt dispute, just through your actual bank instead. I'm not sure how it works with checking accounts though.

angelbabycakes
06-06-2012, 02:24 PM
It is harder with checking accounts, but possible. I am done playing. I want jail time for fraud, which is also possible because there are so many victims.

GirlInACage
06-06-2012, 02:29 PM
Any information you need from me, for lawsuits, etc. I'll gladly give. I should still have some of the paperwork I submitted from my first refund through Blackmarket. Now I'll have the information from Hello Nessy. Can't believe I got scammed by them twice. :/

t00tsypop
06-06-2012, 04:07 PM
yea if anyone starts a lewsuit ill helply help the best that i can. there are to many victims. people pay to much money for costumes and losen all that money when its already tuff times over here.

angelbabycakes
06-06-2012, 05:12 PM
Any information you need from me, for lawsuits, etc. I'll gladly give. I should still have some of the paperwork I submitted from my first refund through Blackmarket. Now I'll have the information from Hello Nessy. Can't believe I got scammed by them twice. :/

If you'll PM me any information about BlackMarket, I'd be most appreciative. Especially if you have a phone number or mailing address so I can compare with the one I have. I'm going to start the process of suing which is to send a letter demanding my goods or a refund.

Obviously, someone is watching this thread. Supposedly, TeL filed a suit against BlackMarket for continuing to use her name and the like. Not sure how successful she was, but I think we have a choice to sue either the person/people we dealt with directly or the actual company. Because I have most my information on particular people, I will probably sue individuals and not the actual company, as there seems to be so many names involved it's hard to tell which are real names and which aren't. The names I have are real people, so it seems like the best way to go. If I can find more exact info on BlackMarket, I'll go that route.

The people involved in my transaction supposedly quit BlackMarket. I find it odd that they think they can wash their hands clean of my transaction when I dealt directly with them...they took my order, they took my money, they communicated with me, they promised my cosplays...and up until March 9th, they said they were personally working on my cosplays and taking care of them. The law doesn't work that way. They took my money, so they owe it to me for my cosplays to be finished. My cosplays should have been finished a year ago, when they took my order and were still working for the company, and they weren't. It is still on them to produce my cosplays...so I don't understand how or why they think it's on the people that run the company now. It is still their commission and debt to pay as the only people I was aware of at the time of my commissions were TeL and Noel.

mixaka
06-07-2012, 12:19 AM
See, that is new information to me. I was told by Noel that there were people working at blackmarket who took money for commissions and ran of with it. This happened after I was shown images of my costume, so I assumed it did not apply to me. It was one of many excuses given as to why my costume was not yet shipped.

Noel claimed to be the one working on my costume and that he was fixing some damage that occurred while shipping it domestically. He also claimed to be making some adjustments that I requested (though I saw no change in the second set of previews I was given early last month). At no point did he mention that he had quit blackmarket or that anyone was still using the name. I know both the person in charge of the Decy email and Noel have access to my costume. Yet neither has bother to ship it.

I assume that blackmarket was not a legit company so you probably can't really sue it. I would sue them as individuals. Small claims court would be best, but I think you have to appear in person. TeL and Noel where also the only parties I was aware of as being part of blackmarket when placing my order.

StHoly
06-07-2012, 12:19 AM
angelbabycakes > i'll email/pm you the details....:(

angelbabycakes
06-07-2012, 01:09 AM
See, that is new information to me. I was told by Noel that there were people working at blackmarket who took money for commissions and ran of with it. This happened after I was shown images of my costume, so I assumed it did not apply to me. It was one of many excuses given as to why my costume was not yet shipped.

Noel claimed to be the one working on my costume and that he was fixing some damage that occurred while shipping it domestically. He also claimed to be making some adjustments that I requested (though I saw no change in the second set of previews I was given early last month). At no point did he mention that he had quit blackmarket or that anyone was still using the name. I know both the person in charge of the Decy email and Noel have access to my costume. Yet neither has bother to ship it.

I assume that blackmarket was not a legit company so you probably can't really sue it. I would sue them as individuals. Small claims court would be best, but I think you have to appear in person. TeL and Noel where also the only parties I was aware of as being part of blackmarket when placing my order.

Noel still works for them, I believe. TeL quit when she fell ill due to all the fumes from working on everything...is what I am led to believe. She couldn't rejoin due to her illness and I'm pretty sure her mom stopped all the cosplay making for the most part. From what I gather, whomever they handed the money over to that was over the artists ran off with the money. I'm mostly only clued in to my particular case, as I'm re-reading what I've been sent over the past year and all.

I still cannot figure out the connect with Hello Nessy for sure. I still believe she works for BlackMarket, but I can't find anyone to confirm it. We need a private thread so we can discuss more openly about things. I'm pretty sure this thread is being monitored by a few of them.

mixaka
06-07-2012, 09:52 AM
The Hello Nessy connection I have is via paypal. The contact email of the paypal account is now listed as inezmaepadilla@hotmail.com. Hello Nessy claims her name is Inez on the Hello Nessy! commission site. Not 100% proof, but given the other information in this thread I think it's safe to say that Hello Nessy! is the new re-branded wtf! balckmarket commission site. There are similarities in the design of the two sites as well.

I have always assumed that the blackmarket was just a group of cosplay friends who took commissions. How could TeL have 'quit'? Especially if she is married to and/or related to Noel. Sounds like they had too much work and were contracting commissions out to other people who then scammed them, so they in turn scammed us to make up for their loss and poor outsourcing decisions.

A private thread would be nice in order to share more personal details like address information, but I think their emails, names, and any websites they run should be posted so that anyone doing their homework on a commissioner can find this thread. I have doubts that even their personal information should be protected as it's harder to change your address that your FB or email account. I have no problem backing off if they make an honest effort to fix all their wrong doings, but they've been given plenty of time and have done nothing but try and scam more people. All they had to do to square things with me is ship me the items I have already seen pictures of. It's an incredibly easy task. If they cannot do that, then surely they cannot be taking on more commissions.

I find the messages that GirlInACage was receiving from Ira/Inez very disturbing. It's too similar to the tactics used against many of us. Take the money then delay, delay, and delay some more. I assume if she had let the charge back deadline pass, she would be in the same boat as us, with no one ever bothering to respond back to any of her emails. I have tried to contact this Ira/Inez person using 2 different emails, the one listed in my paypal and the one listed on her site. Even though they have responded to GirlInACage since that time, my emails have been ignored.

I already consider my money and cosplay a lost cause, though I think I would be able to file a small claims court against them if I am able to get their address and am also seeking assistance from my credit card company on any legal options they can offer as well. If those don't pan out, the oh well. Currently I only want to make sure that this doesn't happen to anyone else....even if I have to hunt them down from new website to new website in order to warn people away. If your commissioner is located in the Philippines, be sure to do your homework! I'm sure we'll see a new website from this group of scam artists pop up in no time.

GirlInACage
06-07-2012, 01:06 PM
Another note about Impness being connected with Blackmarket.. When you look for the Imp Ness facebook page, the photo used is the old logo of the Blackmarket group.

Angelbabycakes, sadly the only contact information I had for them was the wtf.blackmarket@gmail.com.. I should have some of the emails regarding the commission and the refund though. I also could try and find my bank paperwork that showed I received a non-receipt refund. And I definitely have the more recent Nessy ones if they help.

angelbabycakes
06-07-2012, 05:39 PM
I agree with you, mixaka. This thread is needed to help those that have fallen victim or may be considering using them. It would just be nice to have a forum to talk freely in and not have to worry whether or not someone is monitoring our every move or word. In the long run, it might lead to our own demise if too much information is given out before anything is done.

If anyone has any information at all about names, addresses, phone numbers, etc. or websites, e-mails, please let me know. I've already begun an investigation and the more information I can provide, the better. I am gathering everything I can and sending it to the authorities. I will share where I am doing so and I encourage all of you do do the same. This way, they are more inclined to do something and something sooner rather than later.

Here is a thread concerning "Impness" and commissioning on here: http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=280874 Someone asked about them and another person responded saying their group mate got a commission. The member joined in March and the posts were made in March. Coincidence? Maybe.

GirlInCage -- that's the information I started with. According to my research, all the accounts are showing up in our bank statements as TELTELBank, I think. If yours is different, let me know.

StHoly
06-07-2012, 08:53 PM
To update you guys, yesterday they emailed me photos of my costume. Partially done. It looks really nice.. But I know this is just what they do though, so I'm glad I took the action to handle it. Another note about Impness being connected with Blackmarket.. When you look for the Imp Ness facebook page, the photo used is the old logo of the Blackmarket group.

Angelbabycakes, sadly the only contact information I had for them was the wtf.blackmarket@gmail.com.. I should have some of the emails regarding the commission and the refund though. I also could try and find my bank paperwork that showed I received a non-receipt refund. And I definitely have the more recent Nessy ones if they help.

is that the email that you talk to them? i would like to get my costumes too..

thanks.. :(

t00tsypop
06-07-2012, 09:53 PM
Good luck Tryin to get them to answer you

angelbabycakes
06-08-2012, 12:41 AM
is that the email that you talk to them? i would like to get my costumes too..

thanks.. :(

The only reason they are answering GirlInACage is because she is still within the time to file with PayPal...which I think she has. So they are being held responsible for their actions. GirlInACage -- make sure you file and make sure PayPal knows what is going on. Link them to this thread if you need to, but just be careful that PayPal doesn't try to say because the due date hasn't passed, you cannot file. If they do pull that garbage, go to your bank immediately and file. The bank will give you less hassle than PayPal will.

Everyone else, they are ignoring because we cannot file with PayPal and get our money back. It's why they've stopped communicating completely with us all. As for people that saw photos, they were either stolen or in fact your cosplays, but you were sent photos in order to get the shipping cost. Then they took the cosplays and either kept them or re-sold them. So you were not only scammed once, but twice. It's why I refused to pay any more money than I already had (as if $800 wasn't enough...). They tried to get me to send more, uh no way. Advice for everyone, if you haven't paid your shipping charges, don't pay them no matter what they say. You'll be scammed out of even more money! No matter what, do NOT send them more money.

GirlInACage
06-08-2012, 12:55 AM
The email I've been getting responses from is hello_nessy@hotmail.com, mind you, they still haven't said anything about being related to Blackmarket. But they are definitely active on that email.

As for the PayPal, Angelbabycakes, that was the one used when I commissioned from them before. Nessy's PayPal is linked to the email I mentioned above and shows up as "PAYPAL *HELLO NESSY".

angelbabycakes
06-08-2012, 01:55 AM
Does the PayPal connect to BlackMarket at all? It seems someone said they did business with Impness and the BlackMarket address popped up. Impness is Hello Nessy. Is the person responding to you on that e-mail Nessy or is it supposedly Ira? Sorry for so many questions!

mixaka
06-08-2012, 03:09 AM
Nessy is Inez and the email address that is now listed in the paypal payments I sent changed from the blackmarktet email to inezmaepadilla@hotmail.com. Even if she isn't part of blackmarket, she is now in control of the bank account they were using for paypal. My payment is also listed as having gone to TELTELBank.

angelbabycakes
06-08-2012, 04:51 AM
Nessy is Inez and the email address that is now listed in the paypal payments I sent changed from the blackmarktet email to inezmaepadilla@hotmail.com. Even if she isn't part of blackmarket, she is now in control of the bank account they were using for paypal. My payment is also listed as having gone to TELTELBank.

Mine too. When I called Inez out on it, she claims to have no idea. Also, before it said her name, it said Impness. This is how I made the whole connection a long time ago...ImpworX...PayPal changed from BlackMarket to Impworx...when they changed to the name, they were friends with an Imp Ness and promoting each other...when ImprworX was found out, they deleted everything and put up Impness...then Impness popped up on here having stolen photos from BlackMarket, having the same layout, etc...when I confronted Impness, I was told her real name was Inez Mae Padilla...when I checked my PayPal, there it was...her name. From there, she switched to Hello Nessy claiming she didn't want to be associated with Impness anymore b/c of all the mess with BlackMarket/Impworx. Imp Ness on FB went private and now either deactivated the account or blocked a bunch or people. Now, we're left with the same thing going on with the Decy FB and the Inez FB.

mixaka
06-12-2012, 04:16 AM
There are also at least 4 items on the Blackmarket site that are also featured on the Hello Nessy site. I've screen capped them in case they end up 'disappearing' from either site. Inez/Hello Nessy is simply a re-branding of Blackmarket and ImpworX. I'm sure we'll see another new site pop up soon enough w/new names and emails for everyone.

GirlInACage
06-12-2012, 02:07 PM
Supposedly the person I am now dealing with is Ira, due to Inez (Nessy) being injured. I've only ever seen the hellonessy email on PayPal, there was never any switch for me, but I might have made the purchase after they tweaked some things around to cover their tracks.

Also, I just received my refund on my credit card. So, while PayPal would not deal with the dispute (I paid in March), my bank made it very simple to take care of. So anyone who paid with credit, even if it's been awhile, I think it's worth a shot to try for a non-receipt refund.

angelbabycakes
06-12-2012, 03:40 PM
Yeah, PayPal is worthless after 45 days. I've gotten a refund from my bank at one point for a different transaction that didn't deal with this group. If you paid debit though, there's usually a time line for your bank (which the debit card holder typically tells you to contact to issue the charge back).

GirlInACage -- are you aware if there is a non-recipient refund for debit card transactions? When I filed once at my bank, I had to file a charge back, I think it was. I think if it's been more than a few months, the card companies might refuse to help.

GirlInACage
06-12-2012, 06:15 PM
When I worked for Bank of America, we did have the ability to refund debit transactions as well as credit, it was just a different department we had to go through. As for a time frame though, I'm not sure. I use BECU (a small local credit union) now and their dispute forms & departments are the same for credit and debit cards. They treat it like a card dispute versus just pulling from a checking account. As far as I know, they had no time frame. When I spoke with the rep on the phone, I made sure to explain that I was commissioning a project, which can take a longer period of time. Making that statement should help, as it isn't a purchase you could immediately dispute in a shorter time frame. What they did was ask me when it was supposed to be finished, versus the date of the payment. Where do you bank?

angelbabycakes
06-12-2012, 10:55 PM
I'll PM you. :)

Awesomefaec
06-27-2012, 08:02 PM
I commissioned something from her back in March, I haven't heard from them in three weeks, and missed the date I was supposed to have the costume, though it was about the week before she was "injured".

At this point I just want ot get my money back, I've already threatened legal action but still no response

Awesomefaec
06-27-2012, 08:03 PM
Also, I'd be willing to share email logs. If you think it'd help

Akune-chan
07-01-2012, 04:23 PM
Dear god, this is why I never commission cosplays from online commissioners.

It sucks since I am sure that there are many people out there that do not deserve this bad rep that this company/group of friends caused.

I just hope all of you get your cosplays...or some sort of refund >_>;

t00tsypop
07-05-2012, 01:03 PM
anyone hear anything from anyone?

angelbabycakes
07-05-2012, 03:35 PM
I was about to ask the same question...

Apacelull
07-06-2012, 02:16 AM
I appear to be a new victim of this "scam" or whatever. I asked for an Amon cosplay from Hello Nessy about a month ago. Next week is my con, but I haven't gotten a reply from her. The person calls herself "Mich" in the replies. A curious thing is that she keeps "accidentally" partially refunding half of the payment back to me. On the second accidental refund, she told me to resend payment to humanjoystik@gmail.com. The name under that is "Kevin Zhang." In the Hello Nessy business paypal thing, there's also a business contact email and a phone number. The email is hellonessy08@gmail.com and the phone number is +63 9993222883 I'm considering calling them through Skype or something (I think long distance calls are a bit cheaper there right?) Let me know if anyone else gets an update. I've also asked my roommate to email Hello Nessy to ask for a quote to see if she'll respond to that.

Apacelull
07-06-2012, 02:57 AM
It appears I've been "scammed" as well. I made a lengthy post but it didn't go through for some reason, so here's a short version. Hello Nessy is the person I've asked a costume from. Hasn't replied for about two weeks. My con is next week. I've paypaled two people due to paypal complications. One of them is Kevin Zhang. I've had a roommate send an email for a request to see if he'll get a reply. I'll let you know if there's any updates!

angelbabycakes
07-06-2012, 05:46 AM
Ask for a refund and open a dispute ASAP. How are these people still doing business? Ugh. No matter what excuse you get, trust me, ask for a refund and cut your losses. Simply not worth the fight or hassle they have caused so many of us. Is this Kevin a part of Hello Nessy?

Apacelull
07-08-2012, 04:45 PM
Oh... I didn't realize it takes a bit of time for posts to pop up! Anyway, yes Kevin Zhang may appear to be a part of this Hello Nessy. I'm not entirely sure.

Awesomefaec
07-09-2012, 07:46 PM
It's been over a month since my last response from them and I have threatened action. Paypal won't let me open a dispute saying I already did :/

kanaiganara
07-11-2012, 04:05 PM
i have i can i get my money back from chase with the non receipt refund i sent my money back in February and still nothing now the last time they talk was about ohh a stepade so plzz someone help i want my money back

kanaiganara
07-11-2012, 04:09 PM
i have i can i get my money back from chase with the non receipt refund i sent my money back in February and still nothing now the last time they talk was about ohh a stepade so plzz someone help i want my money backso this is the bull shit that happens with forgin commissioners

angelbabycakes
08-10-2012, 08:41 PM
Any new developments on anything?

I find it intriguing that the Hello_Nessy website is completely down now.

Lycoris Ousa
08-12-2012, 01:32 PM
I commissioned something from "Impness" back in April and last I hear from her was "We'll message you when you start your costume. We're finishing up our other costumes." that was back in April. My cosplay's new date is coming up and I haven't heard anything from them. I even tried researching them a while back before commissioning them and there was a thread on "Hello Nessy" and someone giving them a positive review. (Well mini review).

Wish I new that Impness or Hello Nessy whatever was connected with a group that had a bad reputation. Trying to get some type of response out of them.

On my invoice she sent me there seems to be an address not sure if that's even real. Nessy Padilla is the name on it though.

angelbabycakes
08-12-2012, 09:32 PM
I commissioned something from "Impness" back in April and last I hear from her was "We'll message you when you start your costume. We're finishing up our other costumes." that was back in April. My cosplay's new date is coming up and I haven't heard anything from them. I even tried researching them a while back before commissioning them and there was a thread on "Hello Nessy" and someone giving them a positive review. (Well mini review).

Wish I new that Impness or Hello Nessy whatever was connected with a group that had a bad reputation. Trying to get some type of response out of them.

On my invoice she sent me there seems to be an address not sure if that's even real. Nessy Padilla is the name on it though.

Yeah, we're all pretty sure it's a fake name. Could you message me the address, etc. you have for them in a PM?

Lycoris Ousa
08-12-2012, 09:45 PM
Yeah I'll message it, looks fake though the way it's set up.

maggietron
08-29-2012, 10:43 PM
I stumbled across this thread while looking for information on the user Impness. I commissioned something from her back in April and have had very poor communication. Last time we spoke she said it was ready to be painted and would be done soon. I just received an email today stating she had been in a "stampede accident" and the person I am now communicating with is her sister. She said she thinks my commission is done and wanted to verify what it looked like, etc.

Omg I got the exact same email. And I haven't had any contact from them since July and no costume..

angelbabycakes
08-30-2012, 02:02 AM
The whole lot of them has gone MIA. They cosplay with an Avengers group...I've seen some recent photos of TeL. All communication has stopped, but it's evident they still cosplay.

Anyone know of a lawyer? I am going to try to open a case, but I want some advice upfront. Free would be nice since I've lost so much to these scammers.

maggietron
08-30-2012, 01:10 PM
Anyone know of a lawyer? I am going to try to open a case, but I want some advice upfront. Free would be nice since I've lost so much to these scammers.

Could ask the guy who last commented on the black listed group? Other wise I dunno :( anyone who wants to sue might all have to go in on one >.O

Lycoris Ousa
08-30-2012, 05:39 PM
I've kept emailing and still have gotten no response I just kind of give up on getting a response out of them.

maggietron
08-30-2012, 07:35 PM
I've kept emailing and still have gotten no response I just kind of give up on getting a response out of them.

We wont get one. Our best bet is sadly to have them charged with fraud.

arkham71
08-31-2012, 11:43 AM
Could ask the guy who last commented on the black listed group? Other wise I dunno :(

Lawyers are quite expensive and its hard to find a good one that works on a percentage of any money recovered unless the amount of the potential recoup is fairly large. The lawyer I keep on retainer charges $250 an hour, but hes also the senior partner of a well known area law firm. You may be able to find one that less expensive, but then you need to keep in mind the amount of money youre out from the scammers versus what it would take to get justice.

If you take them to small claims court you can represent yourself and you will probably win, but since the scammer probably lives in another state then you may have to take them to federal court (since it involves interstate commerce). The laws for federal court are different then state courts so if you go this route be sure to do research on federal law as opposed to state law.

On the other hand if you file a criminal charge against the scammers you also wont see any of the money, but if the amount of money is above a certain amount (this varies by jurisdiction) then the scammer could be facing some jail time. Just remember that the burden of proof lies on you when filing charges. If you dont give the court sufficient evidence that you were scammed then most likely the charges will be dismissed before it even makes it to trial.

I wish all of you luck and I wish that I could be of more help. However law isnt my profession which is why I pay so much for a good lawyer to help protect my production company...

John

maggietron
09-01-2012, 06:38 PM
Lawyers are quite expensive and its hard to find a good one that works on a percentage of any money recovered unless the amount of the potential recoup is fairly large. The lawyer I keep on retainer charges $250 an hour, but hes also the senior partner of a well known area law firm. You may be able to find one that less expensive, but then you need to keep in mind the amount of money youre out from the scammers versus what it would take to get justice.

If you take them to small claims court you can represent yourself and you will probably win, but since the scammer probably lives in another state then you may have to take them to federal court (since it involves interstate commerce). The laws for federal court are different then state courts so if you go this route be sure to do research on federal law as opposed to state law.

On the other hand if you file a criminal charge against the scammers you also wont see any of the money, but if the amount of money is above a certain amount (this varies by jurisdiction) then the scammer could be facing some jail time. Just remember that the burden of proof lies on you when filing charges. If you dont give the court sufficient evidence that you were scammed then most likely the charges will be dismissed before it even makes it to trial.

I wish all of you luck and I wish that I could be of more help. However law isnt my profession which is why I pay so much for a good lawyer to help protect my production company...

John

I would assume that depending on how many go in on it, the collected amount taken is quite a bit. Also Im pretty sure we all kept all conversations made. Or at least I have.

Amaya
09-01-2012, 10:22 PM
Okay so...quick question...I went to a convention this past weekend and a company called Black Market Studios wanted to do a professional photo shoot with me. Since they weren't charging for pictures i went ahead and did the photo shoot.

Afterwards I asked them if they were affiliated with Black Market the commissioner? They answered they "weren't really", that Black Market just advertised for them.

Just curious though, does anyone know if they are related? All while they were taking my picture all I could think about is this thread XD



Also, I think Black Market had a booth at the convention I went to. I wanted to confront them soooo bad but was afraid it was the wrong person, since I didn't think they actually worked out in the open like that. I did however tell everyone not to buy from them...

Lycoris Ousa
09-01-2012, 10:36 PM
I would assume that depending on how many go in on it, the collected amount taken is quite a bit. Also Im pretty sure we all kept all conversations made. Or at least I have.

I've kept mine also along with the invoice they sent me.

maggietron
09-02-2012, 03:58 PM
Okay so...quick question...I went to a convention this past weekend and a company called Black Market Studios wanted to do a professional photo shoot with me. Since they weren't charging for pictures i went ahead and did the photo shoot.

Afterwards I asked them if they were affiliated with Black Market the commissioner? They answered they "weren't really", that Black Market just advertised for them.

Just curious though, does anyone know if they are related? All while they were taking my picture all I could think about is this thread XD



Also, I think Black Market had a booth at the convention I went to. I wanted to confront them soooo bad but was afraid it was the wrong person, since I didn't think they actually worked out in the open like that. I did however tell everyone not to buy from them...
hmmmmm....that's very curious =/. I would def. Look into that cause if it was then there is faces to put charges too. But i dunno, Im In Canada I can't really do much

angelbabycakes
09-03-2012, 11:26 PM
Okay so...quick question...I went to a convention this past weekend and a company called Black Market Studios wanted to do a professional photo shoot with me. Since they weren't charging for pictures i went ahead and did the photo shoot.

Afterwards I asked them if they were affiliated with Black Market the commissioner? They answered they "weren't really", that Black Market just advertised for them.

Just curious though, does anyone know if they are related? All while they were taking my picture all I could think about is this thread XD



Also, I think Black Market had a booth at the convention I went to. I wanted to confront them soooo bad but was afraid it was the wrong person, since I didn't think they actually worked out in the open like that. I did however tell everyone not to buy from them...

Where was the con you went to? If it was out of the country, it's likely. If it was in the USA, it probably isn't as likely. However, I find it odd they said "not really" when you asked. Did you take a contact card or anything? Do you know any of their names? I've recently discovered that one of the people working with Black Market is in the states...Texas to be exact.

Lycoris Ousa
09-04-2012, 09:37 PM
I was thinking about that since the girl Hello Nessy who got me in out of the country. So I also find it of that it was answered with a "not really"

Amaya
09-04-2012, 10:12 PM
Where was the con you went to? If it was out of the country, it's likely. If it was in the USA, it probably isn't as likely. However, I find it odd they said "not really" when you asked. Did you take a contact card or anything? Do you know any of their names? I've recently discovered that one of the people working with Black Market is in the states...Texas to be exact.

It was a con in the United States, Ohio to be exact. That's why I didn't confront her because I thought she was based over seas. I did get a contact card...but can't seem to find it. However, they are supposed to email me my photo shoot pictures in a couple of weeks. Once I get them I could share the email address with you if it would help.

I'll keep looking for that contact card though. However it was the contact card for the photographer, not the actual Black Market table, so I don't know if it will be of much help.

The strange thing though was they had a table there Friday, but by Saturday it was completely gone...so maybe they had other people confront them and forced them to shut down?

angelbabycakes
09-04-2012, 11:03 PM
It was a con in the United States, Ohio to be exact. That's why I didn't confront her because I thought she was based over seas. I did get a contact card...but can't seem to find it. However, they are supposed to email me my photo shoot pictures in a couple of weeks. Once I get them I could share the email address with you if it would help.

I'll keep looking for that contact card though. However it was the contact card for the photographer, not the actual Black Market table, so I don't know if it will be of much help.

The strange thing though was they had a table there Friday, but by Saturday it was completely gone...so maybe they had other people confront them and forced them to shut down?

I suppose it's possible...seems super fishy. Do you know how it was spelled and spaced? Was it The BlackMarket Studios? I think this is the way that the people we are dealing with space everything and there is actually a "the" in front. What con in Ohio? I've been looking around and I can't seem to find any information on anything about this company...which is strange if they had a booth at the con.

Amaya
09-06-2012, 09:36 PM
I suppose it's possible...seems super fishy. Do you know how it was spelled and spaced? Was it The BlackMarket Studios? I think this is the way that the people we are dealing with space everything and there is actually a "the" in front. What con in Ohio? I've been looking around and I can't seem to find any information on anything about this company...which is strange if they had a booth at the con.

It was Matsuricon in Columbus, Ohio. I apologize but I can't remember how it was spelled or spaced. I'm really sorry. But I think I remember the name being just "Black Market" not "Black Market Studios". I'm beginning to think it really wasn't her, because Matsuricon is a VERY small convention, so if she is based over seas I doubt she would even bother setting up shop at a small con like that.

Still haven't received my pictures, but when I do I promise to shall share the email address. I am still looking for that contact card. Give me a few more days when I have the time to look some more because I believe I stuck it in one of my costume pockets, but the costume isn't currently with me right now. I'll post again when I find it.

angelbabycakes
09-06-2012, 11:43 PM
It was Matsuricon in Columbus, Ohio. I apologize but I can't remember how it was spelled or spaced. I'm really sorry. But I think I remember the name being just "Black Market" not "Black Market Studios". I'm beginning to think it really wasn't her, because Matsuricon is a VERY small convention, so if she is based over seas I doubt she would even bother setting up shop at a small con like that.

Still haven't received my pictures, but when I do I promise to shall share the email address. I am still looking for that contact card. Give me a few more days when I have the time to look some more because I believe I stuck it in one of my costume pockets, but the costume isn't currently with me right now. I'll post again when I find it.

Sure, understandable and no rush. I still find it really odd that they stated "not really" or that they helped advertise it, rather than just stating "no" or that they had no idea what you were talking about. So I am curious to see what all it is about. :)

Thanks for looking and for posting about this. I think you have peeked everyone's interest regardless of the outcome.

t00tsypop
09-08-2012, 12:22 AM
if you get your pictures just ask the photographer what stand he/she was apart of and for their contact info cause "your inqauiring about a commission" lol

angelbabycakes
09-24-2012, 05:18 PM
So just saw a photo from a local con in their country that they were at cosplaying as The Avengers (TeL and Noel). It sickens me that they are still cosplaying.

angelbabycakes
10-06-2012, 12:42 PM
I would like you all involved with The BlackMarket Studioes to be aware that I have started an investigation and other steps towards getting my money back and the like. There is a section on the investigation paperwork where it asks for other victims, etc. If you do not mind me having your information to put down, I would greatly appreciate it. If you'd like to help, you can PM your name and contact information so I can put it in the forms. I might be contacting some of you privately for this information as well. I will not be offended if you decline.

Thanks!

t00tsypop
10-10-2012, 03:33 PM
nice : ) i just pm'ed you. hope its not to late,

Hannuh
10-12-2012, 01:23 AM
Impness or HelloNessy, did the same thing to me. I paid her in March and nothing. She messaged me and never replied back after I paid. She did message me once claiming that it was her sister and Nessy apparently got into an accident. I have all the conversations with her, invoice, payments and everything still. So if guys need anything about this info, just ask.

t00tsypop
11-09-2012, 04:47 PM
any news bout the investigation?

angelbabycakes
11-09-2012, 07:38 PM
I heard from the Solicitor General over there...and got a letter of approval that supported me and the investigation. Then was told they aren't the ones to handle it, so it was forwared along with an official letter from the SG to the investigative authorities there. So I am getting ready to send them a letter and an e-mail...and still dealing with the case in the states too...do many personal problems I'm dealing with, but at least I've gained some awareness.

t00tsypop
11-09-2012, 08:26 PM
aw hope things go alright for yea

angelbabycakes
11-09-2012, 08:38 PM
aw hope things go alright for yea

Thanks. I'm still pushing! Lol. I'm just hoping all of this will cause a stir. I have an e-mail address to the foreign authorities over there...I'm wondering if I shouldn't give it to everyone scammed so we can all write e-mails and send them...cause more of a commotion.

angelbabycakes
03-25-2013, 08:42 PM
Found new information on who HelloNessy/Impness is. Just thought I'd let you all know.

Amaya, it is possible the people you saw were from Blackmarket. If you find that card, please let me know!