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dani
01-17-2004, 02:47 PM
I have the obsession that my widening forehead/receeding hairline/widows peek is the biggest single flaw in my crossplay pressentation.

Tried different haircuts and styles, some work a bit better than others, but I always get this feeling that my wide forehead breaks the harmony of my face and makes people look twice and think "humm.... there is something strange there..."

I have something against wigs, and will try as much as possible to avoid them.

Of course, not everything has to be perfect, and a crossplay can be enjoyable without being perfect, but if there is room for improvement I'd love to know.

So in short: is the receeding hairline my biggest drawback? if it is, any suggestion how to improve it? and if it's not, what's my weakest point?

Thanks....

Dani

Koumori
01-17-2004, 02:53 PM
Have you actually tried wearing wigs? I was dead set against them before I actually started wearing them, and now I am the biggest fake-hair fan in the world. I wear some of my cosplay wigs as streetwear now. It takes a little getting used to, but there's no faster or easier way to change your hair, your face and your whole appearance.

dani
01-18-2004, 04:20 PM
My feelings about wigs are like this:

- they are uncomfortable

- they are hot (our summers are as unforgiving as our winters)

- they add a feeling of "fakeness" that somehow I dislike more than any other kind of body changing/adapting/disguising

- the ones that might look natural are way beyond my budget (I was quoted $800-$1200 for a custom hairpiece)

- if they are partials, one's own hair must always match the length and color of the piece.

I know... when nature takes its course (curse?) eventually I'll have no choice but to give up on those points if I want to keep crossplaying, but the question remains... do I have a choice NOW, or is it too late already?

Thanks

Dani

SephirothXer0
01-18-2004, 04:43 PM
Rogaine, anyone?

dani
01-18-2004, 04:47 PM
Tried both Rogaine and Propecia, for a long period of time. (That stuff was expensive, and even when it was prescribed by a doctor my health plan considered it cosmetic so it wasn't covered). No improvement whatsoever.

Seeyou

Dani

Leon
01-18-2004, 04:49 PM
Hmm....I don't think hair extensions would help, and a cap weave is essentially similar to a wig......

Aeauna
01-18-2004, 05:00 PM
I'm not sure how well this would work, but have you considered using the fake hair they use for beards and such in movies along your hairline?

Schu
01-18-2004, 05:19 PM
Bah, wigs don't cost nearly that much. $200 will buy you an entirely natural looking wig, and even a shorter human hair wig. While some might be hot or itchy, it's easy to forget about when you're not worrying about it.

you should definately at least try out a wig or two.... like Koumori mentioned, once you're comfortable with them, you'll want to wear them whenever you can...

You might consider playing down your eyebrows a little bit, dark eyebrows are a decidedly masculine trait. Your hair itself, looks just fine, and it's not a very common color, which is rather cool. :)

Menchi
01-18-2004, 06:25 PM
good sythetic wigs done always cost alot either...i got myone wig that is long an -reddish-brown an it commonly gets mistaken for being my real hair. but i dont know...if ya have any questions jus pm me or something? *Shrugs*

Decibella
01-18-2004, 07:24 PM
Wigs are definately the way to go, Dani! I absolutely loooove mine. "Squeeeee!" The walls of my room are lined with wigs and hair falls, dreads and extensions. They are not that expensive if you know where to get 'em. And you can even find long human hair wigs for $80 USD online. The internet is wonderful that way. And good wigs, like proper corsets are comfortable enough. Though they can be hot in the summer, or in a club, i'll give you that. But still, I wear a different one every time i go out. Besides, most anime, video game, and manga characters' coifs have such crazy colours and styles that can so easily be recreated with a vibrant wig. Doing outrageous J Rock and Gothic Lolita cosplay/crossplay would be nigh impossible without them.

dani
01-18-2004, 10:50 PM
If all the responses unanimously talk about wigs, I must read the message that my current hairline IS a problem, which was the first thing I wanted to make sure.

I guess it's time to face the music. For some strange wiring in my mind I have the mental image that the moment I take off my wig, with my face all dolled up, I'd get depressed. So I've been trying to avoid that situation by using my own hair as much as possible. But that's shrink talk, not cosplay :).

Back on topic, even when the net can offer savings, I'd like to deal with someone local (Toronto) so I can go and try lots in front of a mirror before deciding. And maybe take a few cosplay volunteer buddies with me for opinions on what works and what doesnt.

I'll consult on the wigs board, but any other comment that you think may be useful in my situation will be welcome, either on this thread or private message.

Thanks all....


Dani

Pochi
01-19-2004, 12:56 PM
If all the responses unanimously talk about wigs, I must read the message that my current hairline IS a problem, which was the first thing I wanted to make sure.Dani

From your pics I don't think your hairline is a problem, depending on your character choice. But that's the thing- if you don't use wigs, your character choices will be limited by how you're willing and able to color and style your hair. Using wigs gives you the ability to pick from a much wider range of characters.

-Just something else to think about.

Pochi
01-19-2004, 07:21 PM
If all the responses unanimously talk about wigs, I must read the message that my current hairline IS a problem, which was the first thing I wanted to make sure.

I thought some more about this this afternoon (which was maybe not the best idea, as I was at work- Space Cadet Pochi reporting for duty!) and maybe (probably) I'm overthinking this, but...

Wigs have really become the norm for cosplay. Many anime characters have hair that is brilliantly-hued, extra long, or styled strangely; and cosplayinng as them would- if you didn't use a wig- be nigh unto impossible. Plus, many cosplayers wear two or three different costumes at one convention. Again, without wigs, if you did this you'd be limited to characters with similar hair.

For these reasons, and I'm sure many others, most cosplayers wear wigs. So when you say you don't like wigs, I think the natural reaction from cosplayers is "But wigs are so good..." because they've seen the advantages of wigs first hand.

That said- there's no reason you have to wear a wig. Like I said above, from the pictures you have posted I don't think your hairline is a problem, but you'll be limited in your character choice by how you're willing to style your own hair.

And don't think you're the only one with male pattern baldness problems- my wigless cosplay choices would be Umibozu or Krillin (I'm not kidding!) ^_^

dani
01-19-2004, 07:30 PM
I hear what you say, Pochi. Sometimes a wig is a necesary part of a costume, regardless of the cosplayer's own hair. At cons people are expected to wear a costume, and hence wigs are expected too.

My concern is for the moments I play jumping the gender presentation line in places where a costume is not expected, so an obvious wig would send the wrong message.

I'm glad you don't see my hairline as a problem, that was the initial question :)

Thanks

Dani

Gren
01-19-2004, 07:41 PM
I'm also another fan of wigs, in which case a receeding hairline would be a benefit, because you have muuuuch less worry about your natural hairline starting to show in the front.

If you are dead set against wigs, have you considered cutting in some bangs/fringe to cover your forhead?

DarkindDreamer
01-20-2004, 03:11 AM
i don't see your hairline as a problem, i'm 20 and mine is far worse. but if YOU see it as a problem try bangs like gren said, i used to hate bangs, but now i like them as long as they're not cut straight across. and i also agree wigs are a great way to go, try going to a local wig shop, trying things on and keep tabs on the brands and styles, then go look online to see if they can be found cheaper. also wigs are coming more common all around, not just for costumes. my town has a wig shop almost every mile it seems, they're almost as common as wearing a hat, plus you can get wigs that look real, i've been out in a wig as a guy and have had people compliment me on my wounderful "natural" long wavy hair.. heh heh

dani
01-20-2004, 08:36 AM
but if YOU see it as a problem try bangs like gren said, i used to hate bangs, but now i like them as long as they're not cut straight across.
I wonder how bangs would blend with my everyday office type shirt-tie-and-jacket look... I'd have to crazy-glue them back every morning, i guess. Anybody tried that?

Thanks for all the input

Dani

Gren
01-20-2004, 10:44 AM
I think that that would depend on how you got them cut. It's not uncommon for men to have bangs. You can play around with the way they look, and if all else fails, tell your co workers it was a mistake to get them done, and just let your hair grow back in.

Aeauna
01-26-2004, 05:38 PM
I think your hair looks perfectly fine, Dani. I mean, seriously, do you know how long it took me to figure out you're a guy? (I felt really stupid later, but oh well.) I don't think you'll have any problems, but if it bothers you, then maybe you should look into alternates.

dani
01-27-2004, 12:49 AM
do you know how long it took me to figure out you're a guy? Flattery will get you anywhere with me... :)

Ok... If the problem is not my forehead...then... What's the problem?? When meeting face to face most people realize almost immediately that there is a guy underneath the looks... And my final goal is to cosplay without being it obvious that I'm crossplaying.

Maybe if I have the chance to meet a local cosplayer face to face while in-character I could get some criticism on details that might get filtered out in pictures.

Thanks much all for your help and comments....

Dani

Decibella
01-27-2004, 08:50 PM
Hey Dani, your hair is not even an issue, it looks great. But I'm local, if you want to talk Crossplay sometime. I know a few "Cross" friendly places around town too. Are you wearing your new Sailor Venus costume at the upcoming Anime North? It looks smashing, btw.

Kisa
01-28-2004, 05:33 PM
I hesitate to say anything, and it's just opinion, but thinner eyebrows maybe?
Just changing them can open up the face so much, and most anime characters, the female ones (unles you're a a krushinada...) tend to have thin eyebrows.

As for Bangs--and I really like bangs, because I have a cave-man forehead--bobby-pins work *wonders*.
I find as long as hair looks stylishly cut, work-places don't have a big problem with lenght.

Re:Wigs. I live in the same area you do, and find that while wigs are hot and stuffy for the first half hour, you even out and then you don't have to worry about a change in humidity screwing up your hair style. They really shouldn't itch... mine don't... and a reasonably nice wig that will Pass and look good and last long isn't too expensive. usually 80-100$ for the higher end synthetic ones with fake-scalp if you know where to find them.

dani
01-28-2004, 07:14 PM
I hesitate to say anything, and it's just opinion, but thinner eyebrows maybe?
I've been thinning them slowly for ages. So my current look is a lot better than before. Must go at a slow pace so there are no noticeable changes day to day.
As for Bangs--and I really like bangs, because I have a cave-man forehead--bobby-pins work *wonders*.
I find as long as hair looks stylishly cut, work-places don't have a big problem with lenght.
I think bangs would help, but I can't imagine how would it look disguising them with bobby pins for my workplace look. We'd have to try sometime with some pins and a mirror.

My problem with my workplace look is that I don't meet coworkers, but CLIENTS. There are those in management that say my performance has always taken a toll because of my ponytail. Of course, i listen to them but keep my ponytail. I say whoever wants to be my client should meet the "real" me, even if that means less clients. I deal with a very dry porfessional service, usually offered by guys in 3 piece pinstripe suits. They might be rich, but I have the most fun :)
Re:Wigs. ... and a reasonably nice wig that will Pass and look good and last long isn't too expensive. usually 80-100$ for the higher end synthetic ones with fake-scalp if you know where to find them.
Maybe I need to ask you about your suppliers... I definitely DONT know where to find them.

Seeyou...
Dani

Kisa
01-28-2004, 10:23 PM
I've been thinning them slowly for ages. So my current look is a lot better than before. Must go at a slow pace so there are no noticeable changes day to day.


Yeah. that would definitivly be the way to go. You want to avoid the Over-plucked NO eyebrow look too ;) If you didn't want to thin them, you could always lighten them too. I don't know tho. I guess it would depend on what works best. Does your hairdresser have consultations and things? Any time I think about changing my style, I tend to go talk to someone and see what it would cost, if they can do it with my hair, ect.ect.



I think bangs would help, but I can't imagine how would it look disguising them with bobby pins for my workplace look. We'd have to try sometime with some pins and a mirror.

My problem with my workplace look is that I don't meet coworkers, but CLIENTS. There are those in management that say my performance has always taken a toll because of my ponytail. Of course, i listen to them but keep my ponytail. I say whoever wants to be my client should meet the "real" me, even if that means less clients. I deal with a very dry porfessional service, usually offered by guys in 3 piece pinstripe suits. They might be rich, but I have the most fun :)


Even if you didn't want full bangs, a few slightly-shorter-than-the-rest layers even, and if they can be pulled back all the better, and no pins needed! Or only by the base of the ponytail to keep them put/behind the ear. They shouldn't be too noticable then...
Probably best to check with your bosses first tho if you think it will cause a BIG problem.


Maybe I need to ask you about your suppliers... I definitely DONT know where to find them.


Well, I'm in Kingston, so where I get my wigs probably isn't as convenient :P but there are some nice stores in T.O. that have the same brands, or BETTER wigs.

Pochi
01-28-2004, 10:28 PM
There's always clip-in bangs, Dani. The cosplayer I learned about them from used them VERY effectively- I didn't notice they weren't real until she took them off! And they're cheap- $12.00 plus shipping. Check them out at Doctored Locks:

http://www.drlocks.net/bangs.htm

dani
01-28-2004, 10:35 PM
There's always clip-in bangs, Dani.
Ohhh....... Intewesting....


Dani