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Iori E
11-12-2002, 04:27 AM
I was just thinking about how much I like this series. It has certainly evolved over the last 8 years or so, from just an SNK all-stars fighting game to a huge franchise all its own.

I was also thinking about how this series has gone downhill lately. Anybody play KOF 2002? What the heck... >_<

I hope that, when they make 2003 (and I'm sure they will), it either ends on a good note or goes to a different storyline saga that will actually improve during the later years.

Recca-kun
11-12-2002, 11:17 AM
KoF 2k2 is a dream match reprise; so far most opinions I've heard have been good. I know someone that preordered the cart already so come December I'll be able to play it finally. Right now I'm biased though because 1) I like K', 2) I like Kula, and 3) I like Chris/Orochi Chris which means I can get my own dream team going. :D

2003 is going to a different storyline. I've heard some rumors that Kensou will be the lead which had me shifty-eyed - if they're out of the Nests arc they could make Kyo again although when Saisyu trains Shingo that will be interesting - but if there's a chance of a K'/Maxima/Whip/Kula team I'll be all over that. :D

Michi
11-12-2002, 09:35 PM
YAY thankyou for making this thread. :D

Well... I've heard things about SNK starting up again and recovering, so I'd hope they'd take over 2003 and turn it in another direction. I'm sick of NESTS. The Orochi storyline was a lot more interesting... I don't even understand NESTS anymore that Eolith/Playmore took over. ^_^;
The 1998 Dream Match made sense.. the 2002 one is just a filler, y'know? What the hell. x_x

Kensou being the lead? That.. hurts my head. ^^; K' hasn't lead as many games as Kyo did, I think he can keep the spotlight a bit longer. I wouldn't mind a new storyline focusing on Kyo though. Grr.

I haven't played KOF 2002... I haven't even played 2K1 for goodness sakes.. I never had money when I went down to the arcade at AX. ^O^;;

Iori E
11-12-2002, 11:34 PM
I only played 2002 once, and I didn't like the direction KOF was going. The lifebars and text and stuff looked horrible, as if it was from some NES or bad doujin game. The backgrounds look like they could be a bit better. And the music... well, it really does sound like mediocre-quality MIDIs.
But at least the in-game character art got much better since '01 (shudder). And Vice's new pose looks cool too... if only the animators blended the pose in seamlessly with her other poses...

The NESTS saga was cool... at first. The first game ('99) with Krizalid as the bad guy gave a real good taste of things to come. And KOF 2000, while many people complain about it, had some of the best endings of any KOF. (It created a huge anticipation of what's next.) If you overlooked "Mike Haggar" Zero who farted on you, and the weird part about the Zero Cannon needing fighters' energy to function, 2000 was nice story-wise.

2001 was where it kinda fell apart. (Even though I like Igniz.)

Michi
11-12-2002, 11:37 PM
I loved KOF 99.. and KOF 2000 was a neat followup, even though I haven't had Kula's purpose explained to me yet. ^^; Or Candy, and Diana, and Foxy. X_x;

2001 is where Eolith picked it up. That's why. :P

Recca-kun
11-13-2002, 02:42 AM
Oh man, the Heroes ending of 2000 was just awesome *sheds a tear of joy*. 2001 was kind of akward at points with leaning a bit much towards a cyberpunk feel, but I'm a Kula fan and she got a mad tune-up so I can't really complain much. I probably play it second most to 2k. ^^;

makio
11-13-2002, 03:46 AM
I heard about a supposed return of SNK too, but I'm one of those "See it to Believe it" kind of folks when it comes to videogames and their companies these days.

As for KOF...my favorite overall will probably always be 1997. The introduction to Orochi Iori/Leona simply rocked, the character/move list was near perfection, the storyline was excellent (complete with SNK-lish), and I love the way they made it seem like it was some kind of television production - which I had thought was the point of KOF to begin with when Geese Howard started the tournament in Southtown (i.e., Fatal Fury 1) or like Buriki-ONE on Hyper NeoGeo64.

If SNK does return, I hope they make some seriously huge updates to the KOF series. I haven't seen any real improvement since 2000...I'm ready for the series to either take on Guilty Gear XX style graphics or 3-D (like the Dreamcast version of Soul Calibur). I agree with the earlier post about disliking the NESTS storyline...save for "Loveable Ignis". That and the PowerPuff Girls-like continue BGM was kind of funny.

...of course, this is all coming from the guy that wants SNK/Eolith/Playmore to make a "Kim KapHwan family team" (Kim, JaeHoon, DongHwan, Sue-Il). :devil:

Studmaster
11-13-2002, 11:05 AM
For me KoF 2K1 is loads better than 2000 for the simple reason that 2000 is too F*cking broken for any kind of serious play, period. Don't get me wrong, I liked 2000 to fool around in, and see what kind of nasty combos I can make, but 2K1 for acutal play can only be beaten by 98 IMO.

My fav has been 98, since I loved 97, and it totally improved on the gameplay.

.Hacker
11-13-2002, 11:23 AM
97 for me!! ^^ When Shermie's command throws could grab from almost any situation without going into a throw miss animation! ^^

Michi
11-13-2002, 06:34 PM
Ick.. I like the graphics in KOF.. I'd be really sad if it went 3D or something ^^;

How is Sue-Il related to Kim again? X_x I dunno much about Kizuna Encounter..

I like KOF 96 and KOF 97 if just for the way the backgrounds look during boss battles.. how Goenitz and Orochi destroyed the stadiums and such... It's just very cool looking.. and when you fight the Orochi Team before Orochi himself.. I dunno, it's just so awesome. KOF needs something like that again.

I've seen Orochi Leona sprites but.. I only fought Orochi Iori when I played KOF 97.. o.o How exactly do you encounter her? o_x;

NESTS started out okay, but got sorta.. drawn out when Eolith came in.. you KNOW 2002 is such a filler.. they don't know what to do. :P

Nietsche
11-13-2002, 07:49 PM
if i remember, you'd have to have Iori in your team to encounter Orochi Leona..because it would look silly for Orochi Iori to fight himself...hmm..but i can't remember what happened if ya chose Leona and Iori in the same team...

Nietsche
11-13-2002, 07:51 PM
don't quote me tho becuase i have a shoddy memory system! maybe i should upgrade to VMUs?

Recca-kun
11-13-2002, 10:09 PM
The Orochi New Face Team stage was my favorite background that I can remember and you can kind of get it again by choosing one of the four Heavenly Kings as your striker in 2k (alternates for Ikari team), but the stage doesn't change. :(

Speaking of 97 backgrounds what the heck was with the Fatal Fury stage?! Yes the carnival with the crazy music and mascots, etc. And although I like what music they did have in 97, I didn't like how some stages were just sound effects...

To fight Orochi Leona use Iori or Ralf and Clark.

L to the 3rd
11-13-2002, 10:34 PM
I used to be a huge ass fan of KOF....and I found the arcade machine first at Disneyland! I used to GO to Disneyland, just to play it (no season pass either)..

Now it's like..ok...I'm bored...but Its still
one of my all time favorite fighter games.

Iori E
11-13-2002, 11:48 PM
2000 is one of the best KOF's for 1-player mode. Competitively, it can get to be a striker-fest like Marvel vs. Capcom 2. '98 and 2001 are very similar when you play against someone else, but they can get a tad boring if you're playing against the CPU (unless you're fighting Igniz).
It depends on your tastes.

If you want to play as Orochi Leona in '97, on the select screen, hold the start button, and press up, down, up, down, up, and then down with the B and D buttons. If you did it right, O. Leona should be right there.
If you want to play as Orochi Leona in 2002 (although I haven't tried this yet), when you're in a fight as Leona, press up, down, up, down, up, and then down with the B and C buttons. It doesn't require a Super Meter or anything, but it takes off 50% of her current life.

I'm not quite sure what relation Kim Sue Il has to Kim Kaphwan. I think they're cousins. Some say Kizuna Encounter is set in the future, so maybe they're distant relatives. :/
Speaking of the future, how can Jae Hoon and Dong Hwan be in KOF when neither of them is even 10 years old yet? :P

I played KOF 2000 for the Dreamcast when I was at Ani-Magic. Yeah, they've got some old-school backgrounds in there. When I saw Duck King's FF Special stage and Billy Kane's FF1 stage, I thought it was the coolest thing ever. :D

Nietsche
11-14-2002, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Iori E

Speaking of the future, how can Jae Hoon and Dong Hwan be in KOF when neither of them is even 10 years old yet? :P

The crossdressing yoyo boy has a point! I thought it was too wierd seeing them as extra strikers...but then again time seems to have warped as Kaede and Nakoruru seem to appear too...

Recca-kun
11-14-2002, 03:13 AM
And Kaede's and Nakoruru's stages in 2k are great. :D

Iori E
11-16-2002, 02:20 AM
I didn't get to see Nakoruru or Kaede's stages. I saw Baitang's, though. Now that was weird.

I just thought of another sign that KOF is going downhill... the HSDMs in 2002. Has anyone seen the motion commands for them? My goodness, it's like Playmore is taking a huge step back to '94 or '95! And I thought K9999's "Raging Storm" motions for his DMs was bad enough in 2001...

*is still kinda mad that Hinako was taken out of 2002*

Recca-kun
11-16-2002, 02:39 AM
Haha yeah, Baitang's is a riot. Nakoruru or Kaede as striker should get you their stage and music (King Lion as well, maybe another or two), if it's not working then maybe try it in versus mode? I think it alternates between the players for choice of stage and song.

I like a few of the HSDMs in videos since I haven't played it yet: K9999's HSDM is intentionally another Tetsuo in-joke but Orochi Chris turns into Orochi! :D

Studmaster
11-16-2002, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Iori E
I didn't get to see Nakoruru or Kaede's stages. I saw Baitang's, though. Now that was weird.

I just thought of another sign that KOF is going downhill... the HSDMs in 2002. Has anyone seen the motion commands for them? My goodness, it's like Playmore is taking a huge step back to '94 or '95! And I thought K9999's "Raging Storm" motions for his DMs was bad enough in 2001...

*is still kinda mad that Hinako was taken out of 2002*

Well, those harder move motions are a good thing IMO. It was nice to be able to do the DMs easier, but they became too easy and SFish IMO. It was nice to see them get harder. ^_^

As for Hinako, it was pretty much destined for her not to be in 2002, but Mei-Li for King is not a fair trade at all. Since King owns her with a 2 dollar Stick.

As for the Extra Striker thing...They were only put in there for fun. They have no affect on the storyline of KoF 2000.

Michi
11-16-2002, 04:18 PM
I don't get why they took King out of 2k2. >< Stupid Eolith/Playmore. At least she didn't have to get another ugly artwork of her. ^_^;

It's going downhill 'cause it's not SNK. Blaaaaah.

KOF 97 had happy music. XD The Orochi theme, Origin of Mind, is amazing. I love it a lot 'cause I've heard it so much on my KOF 97 CD Drama. ^^; I heard the drama first before I fought Orochi, so it was just.. neat. Wheee I want CDs. x.x

Iori E
11-16-2002, 04:19 PM
Maybe the harder motions are a good thing (maybe). But what I hated about '94 and '95 was that I had to memorize the DM motions and buttons for every single character, because very few (if any) of them were the same. These 2002 HSDM motions hurt my little head, and I don't think I can ever use the roulette option ever again.
Oh wait... I think that was taken out in 2002. Never mind! -_-

Yet another sign that KOF is getting weird... I hear that "Kusanagi" (the schoolboy-uniform '95 version of Kyo) has the same voice actor as Kaneda from Akira, and he has a special intro with "Tetsuo" K9999. WHAT IS SO FASCINATING ABOUT AKIRA TO THESE PROGRAMMERS?!?!! >_<

Michi
11-16-2002, 04:26 PM
..Eh, bwah? Kusanagi what? Kaneda eh? X_x No more Akira... *slaps Playmore*

Schoolboy uniform.... Anyone else notice that Shingo should be in a new outfit by now? O_o Or is he taking after Kyo, and failing, and focusing too much on fighting and KOF.. so he's still in high school? XD

Iori E
11-16-2002, 04:39 PM
And about King being taken out of '02, that surprised me, too. The thing is, she was probably voted out by the fans. (I think there was a poll to see who should be taken out and who should be left in.) Everybody and their grandma was playing King back in '99 and 2000, but when she was toned down in 2001 and May-Lee then became the "queen of cheese," I guess people wanted the overpowered character more.

Shingo doesn't age. None of the KOF characters do except Terry Bogard. I mean, how long has Athena been that young, since Psycho Soldier?
Shingo's a high school student forever! :P

Michi
11-16-2002, 04:44 PM
Well fans are dumb! *shake fist* I luff King. ;_; Playmore is dumb. ;_;

But they have yeaaaaars. ^^; Does Athena still pop up in high school uniforms? X_x I don't use her much anymore, and haven't seen her in 2k1 or 2k2 anyway.. not that 2k2 matters.

Soooo... I wanna gather Kyo, Iori, Benimaru, Choi, Athena, Shingo, and Shermie cosplayers to sing Song of Fighters at a con... >_> After discovering that song I want so many KOF CDs now. ^_^; I only have one. Blaah.

Iori E
11-16-2002, 05:01 PM
Athena has an SDM in 2001 that's kinda like Geese's or Rock's Deadly Rave Neo, where Athena actually changes into each and every one of the costumes she's worn in all the previous KOF's. Then, for the finale, she changes into one of a number of different costumes, including her old-school bikini, her armored self complete with sword, or her school uniform.
I think it's even more insane in 2002, where she has her friends join her in the move.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this, but Shingo's been taken out of 2002. If he's a secret character in the game, he hasn't been found yet.

Michi
11-16-2002, 08:10 PM
Yes, I've seen Athena's costume-change SDM via animated gif. ^^; She also has that 98 opening where she starts in her school uniform then goes through her 94-97 costumes before starting. But I mean actually starting matches in a school uniform, meaning she's still a student or not. o.o;

Aaaand I know. Shingo's my favorite character, I know he isn't in 2k2.. but.. the lack of King shocks me more, because she's been in it so long. I don't see the purpose of 2k2.. it bothers me, such a silly filler game.. Playmore doesn't know what to do and just decided to do a dream match. Blaah!

makio
11-17-2002, 01:03 AM
I didn't mention it before... but after a Saturday afternoon of KOF playing, I really like KOF96's Boss Team BGMs. Especially the bass-pumped Geese Howard BGM ("Vigor Fury"). KOF's gameplay wasn't so hot, but at least it led into 97 with the storyline and the music was on the level (or close to) 1997.

As for KOF2k2...just play KOF98. It's better, and it's got King and Shingo.

Michi
11-17-2002, 06:03 AM
Well yes. I haven't played 2k1 or 2k2, nor do I really want to, that badly... KOF98 makes me happy. :D I swear it's Shingo's dream. It SO is. *snugs him*

I love how SNK ties in the storylines. 96 into 97 is a great example, but they really /all/ connect... I lurve it. *bounce*

Pool Cue Ronin
11-27-2002, 04:17 PM
Well, I can attest to(like many others have so far) 98 being the best year. The gameplay was perfectly tweaked and most of the music was there. KOF 2k2 isn't as tweaked, though, and the complex motions really hurt it, and some of the Hidden SDMs aren't worth doing.
I still think KOF 99 being the best game of the series. The music was great, a new storyline was created( though it developed poorly), and the classic gameplay was retained.
And, sans strikers, 2K is great of it's own accord, especially the home version.

L to the 3rd
11-27-2002, 05:07 PM
omg it was cool that kaede (from
last blade) is in
one of the KOF games..

Pool Cue Ronin
11-27-2002, 07:20 PM
http://www.geocities.com/pinn0chi0/kof2kcube.jpg
Copy & paste.
Bad art, but hey.Turn of events, eh?

Garou
11-27-2002, 07:30 PM
KOF is a great Game!
Best fot he Series is 98, Then KOF took a nose dive in 99-00 and it made it more playable in 2001, 2002 is a Great DM Reprise...I just wish they would taken more time to work out the glitches and bugs....Thanks To SNK For making a Great game...

Michi
11-27-2002, 08:29 PM
KOF 2K for GameCube? O_O OH MY GOD I WANT ONE. When does it come out here? ;-; Will it? ;____;

Pool Cue Ronin
11-27-2002, 08:59 PM
A domestic release is fairly certain. But I hope the GC has a good joystick by that time.
I'm happier with my DreamCast version anyway.

Michi
11-27-2002, 10:57 PM
Is the Dreamcast version available domestic? X_x *follows games well, but not releases* u.o

Garou
11-28-2002, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by Michi
Is the Dreamcast version available domestic? X_x *follows games well, but not releases* u.o
Well chances are it will be an Import only since Sega Axed the DC...Might I add a Great Game system...

makio
11-29-2002, 07:41 AM
No domestic release of KOF past '99, Michi...though you could pick up the import KOF2000 and snag an inexpensive DC Gameshark to play it. Gotta love the swap trick.