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Kitsune_rei
02-26-2004, 12:26 PM
I'm speaking as a female, it may be different for guys, but do people really make a big deal about cosplaying a character of the opposite gender? Or do most people just go with what they feel like doing reguardless of the sex of the character? I've actually seen women play male characters (such as Zidane) better than most men. Though I think the bishounen/feminine nature of many anime guys lends itself to easy female cosplay of them (I think people in Japan even do this, though I don't know a lot about Japanese cosplay, heck they have a tradition in theater of males playing females though.)
When I cosplayed as Larva, I didn't give it a second thought when selecting the character to do that that character was male while I was not. I just go for costumes I'd like to do and think I can pull off. I had a nice black velvet cape, and making the mask and gloves was easy for me, so it was an obvious choice for a quick costume whip-up. I didn't even know about the term "crossplaying" at the time. But with that much concealment I don't know if people could tell which gender I was, much less who I was, and I suspect other women have cosplayed Larva before.
I plan on doing a Kurama costume soon, who is also male. I picked the costume because I like the character and think I can pull it off fairly well. Its bascially a Chinese-style tunic over a long sleeved shirt and baggy pants, which should be quite comfortable. While there are female characters I like, I only choose to do costumes I think I can make look good within my means and look okay doing based on my body type. There are many characters, both male and female, that I think I wouldn't look that good doing, and many female characters that are too skimpy for me to be comfortable considering. I actually think a lot of male costumes would be easier since they're less elaborate and more comfortable-looking.
I find it doesn't bother me at all even when people who are obviously the opposite sex cosplay as characters, as long as they put a lot of time and thought into their costume. I think the best Sailor Cosmos I saw (a while back) was a over 6 ft. tall guy. I do think there is more bias towards men playing female characters as opposed to women playing male characters, you definately hear more jokes and such about the men and not much comment on the women other than how good she looks. I wonder why this is.
So I'm not quite sure where I was going with all this, but just wanted to comment...

Hikaruchan
02-26-2004, 12:36 PM
I just do what I feel like doing, regardless of the sex of character. Have 3 costumes currently in active planning/progress - 2 male, 1 female.

CapsuleCorp
02-26-2004, 09:29 PM
Well, I have to admit, before coming to cosplay.com, I never gave my costume choices a second thought at all. The character's gender never mattered to me, but I never thought of going all-out as an obviously male character and doing things like binding and stuff. But now that I've come here and seen all the tips and tricks and the results, I'm hooked. I've already declared that I won't do female costumes anymore because now I've found acceptance that I can do all the male characters I want and no one will bat an eye. :)

And I highly approve of another Kurama. *thumbs up* *evil grin* He is a bishonen, but he's also quite male, so both guys and girls can pull him off successfully. Just be prepared for this Hiei to stalk you. ;)

dani
02-26-2004, 11:23 PM
I do think there is more bias towards men playing female characters as opposed to women playing male characters, you definately hear more jokes and such about the men and not much comment on the women other than how good she looks. I wonder why this is...
That's usually true, and I think it has to do with the prehistoric stereotype that a man must display power and strenght, while women are allowed to express weakness.
So a man performing femeninity is voluntarily giving up his claims of power and declaring himself weak. Other men that for any reason need to assert their superiority find this as a safer invitation to confront and demonstrate their might.
I'm not saying everybody's brain works like that, just the people who shouts me stuff when I walk down the street :)

Cheers
Dani

Karisu-sama
02-27-2004, 12:55 AM
In the 1970's I used to feel restricted from making costumes of some characters that I really liked who happened to be male - it just "wasn't done" back then. (I wanted to be Captain Harlock, not Emeraldas! :( His costume was more badass! :( ) Nowadays, if a particular character I really like happens to be a guy, I don't feel like I'm forced to choose a female character instead, or do a "femme" version of the costume - I'll just cosplay the original character.

Binding and costume cut and so forth to achieve the look of a character as much as possible just comes from the former Theater major in me - I like to achieve the illusion to what degree I can.

In general I find it tougher when I really like a character who happens to be a lot shorter than I am (no way to hide the height). Example: Shuura the Crimson Pirate from "Rurouni Kenshin" - she's only about 5'. Oh well. I still made the costume.

Nine
02-27-2004, 08:27 AM
I'm a guy, and I "crossplay." The reason why I quote "crossplay" because I don't concider myself cossplaying. If I dressed up as female to dress as a female, then I would concider myself crossplaying, but I don't. I dress up as my favorite characters, regardless of what gender they are. When I figure out who to cosplay, I don't sit down and go "I think I'll dress as _______ becase she's a girl" I go "This character is cool, I want to cosplay her!" ^^; I only female character I concider myself crossplaying in is Naga, because I crossplayed her to be female.

I don't think twice when I decide to cosplay a female, because the majority of the time people love it because I do a good job. I don't care if someone doesn't like it, because if they don't, it's because they're usually idiots to begin with. ^^;

Kitsune_rei
02-27-2004, 12:39 PM
Well, I have to admit, before coming to cosplay.com, I never gave my costume choices a second thought at all. The character's gender never mattered to me, but I never thought of going all-out as an obviously male character and doing things like binding and stuff. But now that I've come here and seen all the tips and tricks and the results, I'm hooked. I've already declared that I won't do female costumes anymore because now I've found acceptance that I can do all the male characters I want and no one will bat an eye. :)

And I highly approve of another Kurama. *thumbs up* *evil grin* He is a bishonen, but he's also quite male, so both guys and girls can pull him off successfully. Just be prepared for this Hiei to stalk you. ;)

Yeah, I think places like cosplay.com really made me more aware of "crossplaying". I also think as girls, we may find male bishounen just as cool or more so than girl characters, so why shouldn't we dress as them? ^_^ I also hadn't considered stuff like binding, but now I'm going to try it with Kurama. That's neat you decided not to do female costumes anymore.

Thanks! I hope I can pull him off, I'm going to try! I actually havn't seen many Yu Yu Hakusho cosplayers, in my years of con-going I can't recall hardly any. And now that the series has been out for a while I doubt there will be many new ones. I'd be happy if there was a Hiei at Otakon, be it male or female (though I think it'd actually be more fun if it was a girl.) ~_^ Once I get the costume going more and am closer to being done I'll probably post over in the Otakon board and see if there are any other YYH cosplayers attending.

Kitsune_rei
02-27-2004, 12:43 PM
That's usually true, and I think it has to do with the prehistoric stereotype that a man must display power and strenght, while women are allowed to express weakness.
So a man performing femeninity is voluntarily giving up his claims of power and declaring himself weak. Other men that for any reason need to assert their superiority find this as a safer invitation to confront and demonstrate their might.
I'm not saying everybody's brain works like that, just the people who shouts me stuff when I walk down the street :)

Cheers
Dani

I also think for whatever reason, girls have always had a much wider clothing selection, since there's more focus on extravagent fashion for them. In modern times, women can wear both female and male clothing as they like. I guess it does go with what you're saying, since women were considered subservient, so it was a power gain for them to wear men's clothes, but a power loss for men to wear their clothes. Women wore extravagant clothing to show off their man's wealth and themselves as his property. I really wonder what the world would be like if history would be different... anyway I'm glad at least men are getting more acceptance for donning feminine clothing nowadays, though there is still always some jeering.

Kitsune_rei
02-27-2004, 12:48 PM
In the 1970's I used to feel restricted from making costumes of some characters that I really liked who happened to be male - it just "wasn't done" back then. (I wanted to be Captain Harlock, not Emeraldas! :( His costume was more badass! :( ) Nowadays, if a particular character I really like happens to be a guy, I don't feel like I'm forced to choose a female character instead, or do a "femme" version of the costume - I'll just cosplay the original character.

Binding and costume cut and so forth to achieve the look of a character as much as possible just comes from the former Theater major in me - I like to achieve the illusion to what degree I can.

In general I find it tougher when I really like a character who happens to be a lot shorter than I am (no way to hide the height). Example: Shuura the Crimson Pirate from "Rurouni Kenshin" - she's only about 5'. Oh well. I still made the costume.

Ah, see I wan't around until the 1980s, and not cosplaying until the late 90s, so I missed the evolution of cosplay so to speak. By the time I hit the scene, women seemed perfectly comfortable doing male cosplay, and there were men doing female too though that still tends to stick out more (although there are cases you can't tell unless you look closely!) At what point do you think things started to change? Are there like key people who changed cosplay history or something?
I know what you mean about femme versions, where they play a male character but modify the costume so it makes them look obviously female. Its cute sometimes, I don't have anything against people who do that, so I guess that's where the line is between cosplay and crossplay- your intention. I agree with you in my cosplay I want to achieve the look as realistically as possible.
Heh, still nothing you can do about high issues if you're too tall, but yeah I don't think that should stop you ^_^.

Karisu-sama
02-27-2004, 08:52 PM
By the time I hit the scene, women seemed perfectly comfortable doing male cosplay, and there were men doing female too though that still tends to stick out more (although there are cases you can't tell unless you look closely!) At what point do you think things started to change? Are there like key people who changed cosplay history or something?
I can't really tell you the answer to that one, because the biggest changes seemed to occur during the several years I took a "hiatus" from most things in order to have and raise my babies (who are 4 years apart). During that time we went to a lot less conventions and I made only the occasional costume for myself, although I made the kids Halloween costumes every year... ^^

Small children DO "eat your life". Once the youngest hit 5-6 we started slowly getting back more into the swing of things. (She's 9 now.)

(Of course now my career eats my life too.... :/ )

AgentGinrei
02-27-2004, 09:30 PM
Yeah, it's so silly how it is acceptable for women to dress as men, but not for men to dress as women. I just cosplay as characters I luv, regardless of whether they be men or women. Never really thought about it. One of my friends once asked me, "Why do you cosplay as guys so often?" My reply: "I'm a girl who likes guy characters." What other reason could you need? :)

CapsuleCorp
02-27-2004, 09:46 PM
I have to agree - guys just have the cooler costumes. I've said it before, I'll say it again - I'd rather make a costume of a male character because they get the neato clothes. IMO anyway - the guys who crossplay tend to think the girl costumes are the neato ones. :) (only here will you get guys in a thread saying "I love pink" and the girls chime in with "I hate pink!")

What I will have to admit is that just perusing the crossplay-related threads here has made me more accepting of guys who crossplay. There probably was a time that would have wigged me out, but now I don't bat an eye. I think it's great, and if only the rest of the world (or even the rest of my friends) were so open-minded. I guess, if someone in the world has to wear those kinds of clothing, as long as it's not me, I don't care who it is. ;) And you guys, around here, do it so well. I'm proud to be in your company.

Kitsune-rei - check out the Otakon forum, i already have a thread up about YYH cosplayers. I WILL be there. *evil grin*

topleka
02-28-2004, 09:54 AM
I never really thought it was a big deal until someone told me it was. I crossplay because I like the male characters more, their outfits are cooler (IMO), and they're outfits normally cover more skin. I don't like showing my skin. Guys who crossplay are fine in my book. After all, if I can do it, why can't they? Most of them are hotter than me anyway. ::laugh::

And height. Ooo...height. topleka is short. Around 5' actually. Maybe I'll do Shura some day, Karisu ^-^

dustbunny
02-28-2004, 03:21 PM
I don't really care about weather i'm cosplaying as a guy or not. I just want to have the freedom of cosplaying as a character that i think is cool and if i can relate to the character or act like them then that makes even more fun.

I also think that guys have cooler outfit, too. For most of the girls in anime that i see they have really long legs and show a lot of skin...which is cool but it's not my style.And i agree with topleka on that. ^^

Plus i act more like a guy then a girl. I also think that bishounen regardless of sex get a lot more attention. (it's the fangirls. I have a lot of friends that are one. lol)

ACXchan
02-28-2004, 09:57 PM
I didn't even know the term "crossplay" until I came to cosplay.com hehe. My first male character anime costume was Spike Spiegel. Before that I was costuming as Danny from Grease and James Bond and stuff @D@ I didn't bind back then but I did wear a tight sports bra to try and minimize the appearance of chest. When I picked Spike Spiegel I didn't even think about any possible issues lying in the fact that he was male. I just went with it because I thought he was the coolest thing ever XD

Gren
02-29-2004, 12:35 AM
If I don't let clothing designs never meant to be realisticly translated to fabric, props unlike anything in this world, and hair that is a defiance of god's choice of color and science's law of gravity stop me, why would I let a silly little thing like sex restrict me?

Menchi
03-01-2004, 01:33 PM
for me is i jus cosplay a char i like...regardless of gender. i think if ya like the char...it doesnt really matter what gender you are or what gender the character is as long as you have fun

AuraAnchar
03-02-2004, 03:57 AM
Just read this post. Though still new to cosplaying itself I've been around the anime scene and convention stuff for a while. I never even heard the term crossplay until this post.

I'm doing my first cosplay this may at anime central 2004 and I'm going as sesshomaru. I never gave it a second thought that the character was a guy until someone else was asking me 'but isn't he a guy'.

'oh well' was my responce as I recall. Personally I think of cosplaying as something similiar to role-playing or larping. (though I haven't yet larped :( ). I have been role-playing sense I was very young and I've role-played guy characters and never thought about it really either.

You're playing a part. Sorta just seemed the same way for me for this. I've loved the character Sesshomaru sense I saw him. When my friends invited me to the con and I thought about cosplaying he was the first character that popped into my head and I was hooked on it. Despite the fact that the costume is really freaking hard to get everything for. (yeah I'm being cheap and not really making stuff...I'm buying stuff. I admit it) The character is very detailed.

I still don't ever think 'but this char is a guy.'

-Aura

Kokuu
03-04-2004, 12:16 AM
As I've mentioned before, I've always been quite the theater geek, and since guys in theatre are a rare minority, even though usually more parts are written for guys, so I typically end up playing male roles. That has never really bothered me, so naturally my attitude about male characters transferred over to cosplay. I like to cosplay because I like a particular character, and I also really like the reaction I get by fooling people while crossplaying. ("What, you're a girl?!?") I guess the only "second thought" I have when crossplay is that I really like playing female characters too. When I plan out my costumes for a con, I make sure to mix it up, so I have both female and male characters, since it's fun to be a sexy female character as well.

Animeloilpop
04-03-2004, 08:35 PM
well when i had the job to pick costumes for the anime con all the cool charatcer i like where all boy from gravitation. bofore i told them that they where all going to the con as guys i had like this whole story on why the should go as guy. but when i show then the costume the looked at them they loved them even thought that had to be boys they loved the costumes and that was all that mattered plus i really thought that my friend amber would put up a fight because she had to be Yuki. The only thing she didn't like was the fact she had to become a blonde. so who care what sex the charcter is as long as the costume nice do what you want :) :bigtu:

Kaede
04-03-2004, 09:01 PM
I never noticed it in the least until the word "crossplay" became popular and everyone started using as a seperate "thing" from cosplay. Now instead of asking Who are you cosplaying?, comes the thread Who are you crossplaying?? Coming from someone who's never cosplayed a female character, I never think twice about it. I remember Yaya said something along the lines of: if men are lovely in Japan, they say they are as beautiful as women. I don't think there should be any doubt, and if there is, don't make the costume if you're uncomfortable...