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scarlet
08-29-2004, 05:56 PM
Got back from CNA 2004 and I realized that there are a lot of problems about this convention. Some of them angered me so much that I don't think I will be returning to CNA in the next few years.

1) taking advantages of the Anime fans. They should offer one day passes for the anime convention. Not everyone wants / able to go for the entire event. and $45 is too much if you just want to go for one day. And with a basic pass, you can't go to anything.

2) Masqurade lineup pissed me off so much. Me andmy friends went to the line up place at 3 pm. We were at the beginning of the line and then the staff kicked us to the basic pass line up >_< and we had to enter the masqurade AFTER all the deluex and anime pass. so more than half of the basic pass holder couldn't enter. And the exhibitor pass holders, I don't think they could get in at all (i really feel sorry for them)

What do you guys think about this con?

Scryed1111
08-29-2004, 06:21 PM
lol i liked it completely who shouted out my old user name naziel? and added a curse word to it?!

I also want to no how everyone knew who i was on saturday and sunday? i didn't cosplay claude on sat and sun?

Vicky
08-29-2004, 07:33 PM
i had a blast at the con, my best convention experience yet!
the lines were a little wonky but overall I never waited long enough for anything to really complain that overly much.

the only problem for me was NOT being able to meet half the people I wanted to.
either because there was no solid information i could obtain of when and where they'd be (examples: Janet Hetherington, Ronn Sutton, Harley Sparx (sp), and I heard from someone in line that Brandon Peterson cancelled?). I also didn't like the fact it costed $20 just to SEE George A. Romero, and then $20 to get him to sign my DVD (which I paid $35 to buy SPECIAL ORDER). Had I known that prior I wouldn't have bothered.

Also something at the Patrick Stewart explanation thing still has me confused. The 8x10 photo we were entitled to receive was SUPPOSED to be ACCOMPANIED by a LIMITED EDITION CERTIFICATE AND HOLOGRAM exclusive to SFX.
well I didn't get no Certificate OR hologram, but the woman infront of me was really getting pissed at the guy. anyway, if anyone understands why the Silver ticket holders aren't receiving these two additional items, please tell me! because I was so confused but due to the MASQ i wasn't able to stay and ask for further details.

Songstress_Yuna
08-29-2004, 08:29 PM
I found it not as "picture friendly" then it was last year and comparing it to Anime North. Mostly all the cosplays I saw(not offending) were done too many times before or the same people doing the same costume as Anime North. I don't have a problem with either just I'm pointing out the fact that I didn't even use one roll of film....o.O I found it really odd lol I don't think I was in much of a picture taking mood either.

It was so more packed than last year too. My skirt got killed the first day, the second not too much and the third in the middle lol. I was holding it up 95% of the time too so don't ask me how it got all mangled.

It was fun too I met up with a ton of people and made some new friends =) I also found some great deals and got some things I've always wanted!! So all in all it was pretty good lol

heki-chan
08-29-2004, 08:41 PM
I had an awesome time @ CNAX04 *_*

It was the best CNAX that I've attended (2001-2004)

The masquerade was one of the best i've seen. Most of the presentations were well done. Congrats to everyone ^_^

The highlight of the weekend for me though, was running aorund and being an idiot in my Gingerbreadman costume HAHAHAH. O god it was fun. CUTE KIDDIES ON SUNDAY!!! *dies from the cuteness*

I didnt feel stressed AT ALL, which is SO rare for me @ cons. *_*;

It was overall (for me and my friends, anyways) a very laidback, easy-going, just for goodtimes/fun/laughs convention ^_^

Pictures will be up 2mrw night on www.sma-cosplay.com *nods*

Tigerlilly
08-29-2004, 08:45 PM
heki-chan- YOU WERE GINGERBREADMAN!!!!!oh wow.

heki-chan
08-29-2004, 08:47 PM
LOL LOL LOL yah it was me--ppl thought i was a guy and were alwyas slapping my butt X_x;;; SO FUN THO. (minus the butt-slappage lol)

Tigerlilly
08-29-2004, 08:48 PM
haha i remember seeing you and laughing i love that movie. i wish i got a picture of it.

Songstress_Yuna
08-29-2004, 08:50 PM
Ya I didn't know it was you! ^^ I loved your presentation! I also missed out on getting a piccy!

Schubuttercup
08-29-2004, 09:09 PM
Ta duh Duh DUH!

I really was disappointed in CN this year. I mean to me, MTAC was more fun. Lines were long, people were quite rude. I mean the non attendants and some of the resturant servers were quite sacist (sp?) with us. Not only that but alot stared at us werid when we walked into Mcdonalds and I was dressed up as Zhou Yu and some mother pulled her kid away, saying and I quote ' She's crazy, sweetie please stay away" Seriously.

But other then that, My B-day Sat was ok got to meet new people, one of my friends brought me a birthday cake and we sat at the convention having a mini party with friends some strangers and some new friends.

Oh! When I went into Kelsey's someone knew who Ayumi Hamasaki was and pointed me out! She must of been like 8 or something, but she was so cute, she tried to sing Boys and Girls the best she could. I wanted to steal her >.> I thought KAWAII!!!!

Well I guess that's it. Oh..Nagii if you read this...you left your Yue Ying staff in my Dad's car when you placed it in there before we went out to eat. I'll bring it to GCAF 2005 for you, is that ok ;-; I forgot you put it in there. I also have Shawn's Malik staff and Rachels Cloud of Terror. Gomen ne!!

Killmesarah
08-29-2004, 09:34 PM
My husband and I had the BEST time at this CNA. I took over 100 pictures(which I will have up as soon as possible) and met A LOT of great people.

My only complaint? The fact that our Battle Royale skit was RUINED because 5 entries before we went, we were told they can't play our tape.
::hears skit flushing down the toilet:::

So we had to do some generic looking walk on. ;_;
Once again, Sarah-san is screwed out of having a CHANCE in the masq.
;_; <----this looked like me, Sat night. I ruined my eyeliner!

I would like to add that the staff of CNA was AMAZING this year. Yes, the masq didn't start on time(did you really expect it to?), but the staff treated us all with so much care! :::huggles staff::::

I was especially impressed with Dawn, the masq director, as she became my personal guardian angel, when I found out I couldn't do my skit. If it wasn't for her, we wouldn't have went on at ALL! (And the KISS was her idea too! LOL)
Dawn- thank you!!! Things like THIS make you a great masq director.

Sarah-san

Nancyboynoire
08-29-2004, 09:35 PM
I don't know. I liked CNAnime, it's my first year going to so I didn't quite know what to expect from everyone.

First of all there are alot less cosplayers at Cnanime then at Anime North, but the calibur is a lot better I find. I didn't see too many half-assed last minute cosplay efforts. So, you kinda have to choose quality over quantity at some cons.

What I liked about CNAnime like Heki is that I didn't feel stressed that I had to be at such and such at a certain time, I just kinda wandered around poked my head into some video rooms, stood in a few lines I really was able to just relax. I had a ' Ah... I'll get there when I get there ' kind of mentality the ENTIRE week-end. which for someone who always rushing around was a very welcome change.

I had a an anime pass so I got VIP on well... everything at the con so I can't really complain about the lines and stuff. The staff-ers were a little bit anal and pushy when it came to your ticket though, I remeber at one point I was looking around for it and this big guy is just breathing down my neck waiting for me to find it. My friend saved me though and discretely placed her ticket into my pocket so I could flash it too them. I would have never been able to find it with someone hovering so close -.-;

Coatri
08-29-2004, 09:55 PM
They should offer one day passes for the anime convention. Not everyone wants / able to go for the entire event. and $45 is too much if you just want to go for one day. And with a basic pass, you can't go to anything.
ya that part kinda pissed me off but whatever it was still really fun and I got lotsa great pictures :D Everyone's costumes were so great, it would have been awesome to see the masquerade :D lmao there was this one little girl dressed as Sakura in that cat outfit with the pink apron and me and Ari and Justine were all like "omg that's cute! can we have your picture?" and she's like "another one? ok fiiiinee!!" and after I took her picture, just to be nice I said "Your costume is great, I really like your ears" and she just covered her kitty ears with her hands and stormed off XD XD XD it was funneeee

heki-chan, you were the Gingerbreadman? omg that was awesome!!! eee I wanted to get a picture of you but I ran out of pictures before I saw you :( I need a digi >.< hehe but anyways awesome costume you rock! *glomps*

hikarilight
08-29-2004, 10:18 PM
For my third time at CNA, I thought it was better :D Anime is definitely geting bigger there and is probably pissing off the sci-fi and comic fans XD

The masquerade was killer, same goes for the amv :D I was laughing my socks off (even though I didn't wear socks)

The only problem I saw was that the lines were crazy and the ticket price is unreasonable. What was wrong with the $40? I don't get it 0_0 Also my legs from below my knee are in pain, it never happened before but I guess this is what happens when you use small scandals for Naruto scandals ><

I did enjoy myself, even though I was stuck with my sister XD

MikigamiTokiya
08-29-2004, 10:46 PM
XD lmfao omg heki-chan i had no idea you were the gingerbreadman, that's so awesome. it was so fun taking pictures with you ^.^


anyways about this con.... arggh i can't even begin to comment on my outrage other then the nice cosplayers i got to hang out with. Yeah only was there on sunday but we had to pay 45 per ticket >.o screw that. and then yea random power outage >.< not to mention that bootleg ass system of getting into the delaer's room, we had no idea you had to get your hand stamped so it was such a huge hassel to get back in not to mention everything they were showing was kinda crap. no offense to anyone. that and the shit-tastic weather. I'll really really have to think about going to this one again that's for sure.

Schubuttercup
08-29-2004, 10:59 PM
Sunday's weather was quite thrilling. I was waiting outside while it stormed for 2 hrs. The people at the convention centre wouldn't let me in cause it was closed x.x; So if I get sick...that will put a damper on my spirits

JustinCredible
08-29-2004, 11:13 PM
Got back from CNA 2004 and I realized that there are a lot of problems about this convention. Some of them angered me so much that I don't think I will be returning to CNA in the next few years.

Well not return won't solve anything. I suggest presenting your feelings and concerns in a letter/email to the organizers and even suggest reasonable ways to improve the convention.


2) Masqurade lineup pissed me off so much. Me andmy friends went to the line up place at 3 pm. We were at the beginning of the line and then the staff kicked us to the basic pass line up >_< and we had to enter the masqurade AFTER all the deluex and anime pass. so more than half of the basic pass holder couldn't enter. And the exhibitor pass holders, I don't think they could get in at all (i really feel sorry for them)

You're probably the one I talked to when the situation arose. I truly felt sorry for you and the other Basic pass holders and those whom had trouble getting into/or wasn't able to go in at all. Once I again, I strongly suggest to communicate your concerns.

For my third time at CNA, I thought it was better :D Anime is definitely geting bigger there and is probably pissing off the sci-fi and comic fans XD

No. Not really. From the people I talked to, they had no problem with the Anime portion.

I'll write my feelings when I'm able to fully collect them into one big pile.

Adilz
08-29-2004, 11:27 PM
Props to JustinCredible... ! =P..

Heh... hard weekend, but lots of fun... I won't start commenting because I don't quite want to yet, but met a bunch of people, randomly met Justin, and I don't quite remember who else... Oh yeah, the Gingerbread cookie... =p

hikarilight
08-29-2004, 11:34 PM
JustinCredible, yea, I know that it didn't really piss of the other fans since a mixed convention is much more fun and interesting as I think but I would imagine it might have angered some people a little? Other than that, that statement of mine was just harmless with XD at the end ^^;;

Killmesarah
08-29-2004, 11:38 PM
I kind of felt bad for the Sci-fi/Comic fans, as Anime was LARGER THAN LIFE this year. I wanted to see more superhero costumes! And more Sci-fi/fantasy entries in the masq!
One of the nicest girls I met was cosplaying Star Trek(with her MOTHER, how cool!). I talked to both of them for awhile, and they were sooooo nice.
The girl actually came to console me after I found out we couldn't do our skit- what a GREAT person.

S-san

dani
08-29-2004, 11:44 PM
I kind of felt bad for the Sci-fi/Comic fans, as Anime was LARGER THAN LIFE this year. I wanted to see more superhero costumes!

You were THIS close.... I had my Captain Liberty in my car, but got so carried away doing other stuff that I didn't put it on... besides, it's not very compatible with the humid weather we had on saturday. Oh, well... next time...

Dani

scarlet
08-29-2004, 11:51 PM
You're probably the one I talked to when the situation arose. I truly felt sorry for you and the other Basic pass holders and those whom had trouble getting into/or wasn't able to go in at all. Once I again, I strongly suggest to communicate your concerns.


nope, i wasn't the person who talked to you, that was my friend. but i was there to hear the conversation. And thanks, I will make sure that I reflect my opinion to CNA.

and the ginger breadman rocks~
*huggles*

Neoengel
08-30-2004, 08:14 AM
I chose to miss this expo as I did not appreciate how they conduct their business.

Overtime on the weekend is always good.

But the police were there:

There was a tip about illegal weapons for sale there (looks around innocently), and the police acted upon it, seizing a large quantity of illegal blades, brass knuckles, etc. and arresting 6 people.

Toronto Sun Article
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/08/29/607342.html

Toronto Star Article
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1093731009717&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968705899037

London Free Press
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2004/08/29/607134.html

I personally find it disgusting that the organizers would even allow vendors to sell such items - especially to a younger audience in a building sdown the street from a recent hostage taking where the perp was killed by a police sniper.

Shame on those involved in the selling of such items, and cheers tot he police and people with a conscience. I feel the lack of responsibilty dispalyed there is harmful to the Toronto convention communities.

Hopefully some people will learn.

I swore off CNAnime/SFX/Whatever after another incident in which I personally call into question the conduct of an employee there.

If you are interested, read this (http://www.neoengel.com/openletter_scifiexpo_harassment) for more...

Scoti
08-30-2004, 08:46 AM
I had fun in gerenal. I was stressed on and off but it had nothing to do with the convention itself...

MikigamiTokiya:it's a shame that H.S still forces people to pay $45 just for the Sunday. At that point I would have suggested to ask for someone's program first to see if there was anything you wanted to watch/do. If not I would have gone for the cheapest pass so you could hang out and just go to the dealers room....

or you could have used other people's passes..all you had to do was convice the moody woman at the door that you didn't get your hand stamped (because the punch and stamp system never works)

micheru
08-30-2004, 10:11 AM
Regardless of prize, CN was a LOT better than Anime North, mainly due to the fact that we didn't have to walk for 15 minutes to see the anime like we did at North. :eeek:
The Mascarade staff were sooooooo nice.. They really made us less nerveous since it was our first time in the Mascarade. ^_^ I was in the yaoi webcomic cosplay group, Sublunary. (http://sublunary.keenspace.com) We were one of the last on stage I think. O_O
I also recall when waiting in line to get our photo taken for the Mascarade us sitting there teasing the gingerbread man who was across the hall from us (the line was a U shape) XD Sorry!
*rolls around*
I didn't get to go on Sunday, so I missed all the good sales. -_-; And the funny poweroutage.

I also really REALLY liked the addition of Horror con.. Because of that I got to buy a cd from my favourite band / gothic artist Johnny Hollow!! (www.johnnyhollow.com) ^_^ And they were selling Battle Royale, Ichi the killer, and other japanese gore cinima in the horror section! It was fun to check out. ^__^

So, it wasn't the best con, but it definetely was better than anime north 2004. To me, AN seems more like "omg do this do that walk around be on schedule" but CN is more like "Hang out with friends, take your time, just have lots of FUN!"

KusanIvy
08-30-2004, 10:56 AM
I kind of felt bad for the Sci-fi/Comic fans, as Anime was LARGER THAN LIFE this year. I wanted to see more superhero costumes! And more Sci-fi/fantasy entries in the masq!

You can never go wrong with superhero costumes! Hee hee. I saw three X-man (Wolverine, Storm and myself). You now what? It just occurred to me I didn't wear any anime costumes all weekend, only SF ones.

I did feel a little bad for some of the SF people as many of the masq skits had very otaku-specific jokes.

One of the nicest girls I met was cosplaying Star Trek(with her MOTHER, how cool!). I talked to both of them for awhile, and they were sooooo nice.
The girl actually came to console me after I found out we couldn't do our skit- what a GREAT person.
S-san

Weren't they wonderful! I actually went out to dinner with them after the masq and we had a great time! Being in the green room for the masq was so much fun.

It's really too bad about your skit. I think you pulled off a very admirable recovery though!

baka-chan
08-30-2004, 11:50 AM
The one thing I really hated was their "WE WILL NOT ISSUE NEW PASSES" policy. T___T" I lost my pass on Saturday and I had to buy a new one on Sunday morning because they refused to replace my lost pass, pissed me off. Next thing I knew, there was that power outage, so there was nothing to do. Which meant I just wasted more money buying a new ticket -___-"

other than that, it was a good experience =)

JustinCredible
08-30-2004, 12:18 PM
Props to JustinCredible... ! =P..

Heh... hard weekend, but lots of fun... I won't start commenting because I don't quite want to yet, but met a bunch of people, randomly met Justin, and I don't quite remember who else...

It will all come back. Yeah, I met a ton of people... whom were excellent and fun to be around and also missed many others because we never bumped or your costumes were so good I didn't recognize you ^_^!

JustinCredible, yea, I know that it didn't really piss of the other fans since a mixed convention is much more fun and interesting as I think but I would imagine it might have angered some people a little? Other than that, that statement of mine was just harmless with XD at the end ^^;;

True. I often gripe about how events are not equal across the board, but thats mostly my problem with management more then anything. Fans are just fans that weekend regardless of what they were all fans of!



Maybe next year you might see something from me... (looks around) but don't hold me to it ;)

[QUOTE=scarlet]nope, i wasn't the person who talked to you, that was my friend. but i was there to hear the conversation. And thanks, I will make sure that I reflect my opinion to CNA.

Danke!

There was a tip about illegal weapons for sale there (looks around innocently)

He he he... Always stelthy ;)

The one thing I really hated was their "WE WILL NOT ISSUE NEW PASSES" policy. T___T" I lost my pass on Saturday and I had to buy a new one on Sunday morning because they refused to replace my lost pass, pissed me off.

Well I am sorry to hear that, One of my friends didn't come on Saturday and so I took his pass and knew that someone was going to need it. So When looking through the line, I recognized somone I've seen during the course of the weekend... and was buying a ticket again. After finding out that he forgot his pass at home... the pass swtiched hands and the problem was solved. I'm sorry that you had that problem happen, once again (beating a dead horse) email your concerns because this happens and hobbystar should know that their current policy isn't working out.

Kawaii Bishoujo
08-30-2004, 12:49 PM
yea...CNA wuz pretti good eh? even tho the weather wuz shit..well over all the con wuz..A LOT BETTER than i had expected..i thot there would b more horror nd sci-fi stuff but YES, ANIME RULES OVER ALLLL!!! i also expected the masq. 2 b a lot worse -.-* but it wuz pretti kool...nd nd I MET VIVA ROCK!! that is like...the most honourable thing 2 me lol...since i also cosplayed from Naruto ^^ it wuz realli bad tho cuz on Saturday..during half the day..I LOST MY PASS ;_; i wuz guna buy a new one..buh itz a waste of money..nd i realli wanted 2 go in the masq. so me nd my friends made a plan nd i FULLY SNEAKED into there...it wuz pretti funni i guess ^-^;; well no, actually it wuz scary =.=

HEKI-CHAN!!! U WERE THE GINGERBREAD MAN?!?!?! *points* ahhh ic...i thot u were a guy 2 lol...nd i kept giving u glomps XD if u remember...a Kurenai...who gave u like 5 glomps on sunday ^^;;

hikarilight
08-30-2004, 01:19 PM
The fans that weekend rocked :D

KusanIvy
08-30-2004, 02:49 PM
The one thing I really hated was their "WE WILL NOT ISSUE NEW PASSES" policy. T___T" I lost my pass on Saturday and I had to buy a new one on Sunday morning because they refused to replace my lost pass, pissed me off. Next thing I knew, there was that power outage, so there was nothing to do. Which meant I just wasted more money buying a new ticket -___-"

other than that, it was a good experience =)

I know how much that sucks. When I went to CNA two years ago I lost my pass (thankfully it was Sunday, there was only one more thing I wanted to go to and an exhibitor was nice enough to lend me his pass).

I also lost my pass this year, on saturday afternoon. I had it in one of those badges clipped to my bag and it fell off. My friend lent me hers in case I needed it to get into the Masq, then later the cosplay gods smiled on me and I found a pass on the floor of a bathroom stall.

heki-chan
08-30-2004, 03:17 PM
Kawaii Bishoujo -- haihai :D I remember uuuu *big hugs*

ace
08-30-2004, 03:21 PM
Even though i had no money to spend I still had a great time

.:Hope:.
08-30-2004, 05:17 PM
Whoo, CNA 2004 was my first con EVER! I had a lot of fun. The lines were pretty long…especially for Scott McNeil…holy crap that took at least 2 hours…my legs were so sore…but it was so worth it! He’s really nice and funny. And I agree, they should sell one day passes…I was only able to go on the Saturday…and it’s a jip paying $45…but meh, oh well. I wish I went on Sunday…they played RahXephon the Movie!! >< There were a ton of really super duper costumes, though I barely took any pictures…which I’m very ashamed for…I shall work up my courage for next time! It was just a cool experience! Watched some anime, did some shopping (Note: Bring more money next time --_--v) I wished the AMV’s were longer. It seemed so short, at least to me. That Eva game one was hilarious.

The highlight of the weekend for me though, was running aorund and being an idiot in my Gingerbreadman costume HAHAHAH. O god it was fun. CUTE KIDDIES ON SUNDAY!!! *dies from the cuteness*

*points* You were the gingerbreadman!!!!??? I thought you were a guy, too! That was an awesome costume! ^^ I took a piccy of you!

CaptainJake
08-30-2004, 05:54 PM
Haha. Interesting. I have a picture where I'm biting into heki-chan.

heki-chan
08-30-2004, 06:12 PM
Haha. Interesting. I have a picture where I'm biting into heki-chan.


LOL LOL that sounds silly ^0^
I actually lack photos of my costume, so if anyone has any of Gingy and can direct them to me i will so love u for it and give u a cookie at the next con. LOL.


Oh yah,. another thing was that Artists Alley was SOOOOO impressive this year, I mean its impressive every year, but this year was WHOA-BABY-IMPRESSIVE O_O;

I loved the hats the most. haihai. So cute *_*

Kawaii Bishoujo
08-30-2004, 09:52 PM
I know how much that sucks. When I went to CNA two years ago I lost my pass (thankfully it was Sunday, there was only one more thing I wanted to go to and an exhibitor was nice enough to lend me his pass).

I also lost my pass this year, on saturday afternoon. I had it in one of those badges clipped to my bag and it fell off. My friend lent me hers in case I needed it to get into the Masq, then later the cosplay gods smiled on me and I found a pass on the floor of a bathroom stall.

KusanIvy........hmmmmmmmm...the bottom of a bathroom stall O_O THAT...wuz mine o.O lol

i lost it wen i wuz fixing my bandages 4 my kurenai outfit ^^;;

Sarcasm-hime
08-30-2004, 10:14 PM
So, it wasn't the best con, but it definetely was better than anime north 2004. To me, AN seems more like "omg do this do that walk around be on schedule" but CN is more like "Hang out with friends, take your time, just have lots of FUN!"

I actually prefer AN because I like having panels and things to do. If I want to hang out with my friends I don't need to pay Hobbystar big bucks to do so. I also dislike how they only seem to care about how they can get more money out of people, as opposed to doing things FOR people and caring about putting on a good show. People have had to fight and argue with them for years just to have the content that we have now (it was originally JUST a dealer's room with autograph signings, and that's still all that Hobbystar thinks is important). Also they don't seem to want to put any effort into helping the Masquerade...we had to beg and plead and sweat blood to pull the show off.

But I agree that CN's Masquerade this year went better than this year's AN masq, primarily because of the cap (which was as a result of us discussing, after the monstrous beast that was AN's masq, how to improve things). The high number of quality entries was because, I suspect, the people who made sure to sign up early were the ones that were really serious about their costumes and presentation and had put time and effort into them. That was really great to see, and I was laughing my butt off down at the judge's table. There were some really hilarious and awesome skits this year. ^_^ Kudos to everyone!

Note to self: in future, do not wear skimpy costumes to CN, because unlike AN it has lots of creepy old comic-fan perverts who stare at my chest while saying "That's a GREAT costume..." or "Can I have my picture taken with you?" and put their sweaty arms around me. Ewww. I felt totally fine in my Ayumi costume at AN last year, but I couldn't wait to change out of her at CN this past weekend. Bleh.

scarlet
08-30-2004, 10:45 PM
I actually prefer AN because I like having panels and things to do. If I want to hang out with my friends I don't need to pay Hobbystar big bucks to do so. I also dislike how they only seem to care about how they can get more money out of people, as opposed to doing things FOR people and caring about putting on a good show. People have had to fight and argue with them for years just to have the content that we have now (it was originally JUST a dealer's room with autograph signings, and that's still all that Hobbystar thinks is important). Also they don't seem to want to put any effort into helping the Masquerade...we had to beg and plead and sweat blood to pull the show off.



I completely agree with you in this.

dani
08-30-2004, 11:20 PM
Also they don't seem to want to put any effort into helping the Masquerade...we had to beg and plead and sweat blood to pull the show off.

And there is an important point there:

Some people may be lead to infer the following oversimplified statements:

AN04 -> masqerade problems -> AN Masq organizers bad,bad,bad
CNA -> masq smooth -> Hobbystar good, good,good

The BIG mistake of those statements relies on the fact that Hobbystar didn't organize the masquerade.They asked the same people that ran AN masq to run it for them!!!

The lessons learned at AN were instrumental in making CNA a success but it would be VERY unfair to dismiss AN in the future in favour of CNA because the glory of last week's masquerade is NOT Hobbystar's.

Dani

Galileo
08-30-2004, 11:41 PM
Amen, Dani.

Mekou
08-31-2004, 12:23 AM
To put it bluntly, this was my WORST con experience ever. ^___^ Not because of the con itself though. But maybe. I didn't enjoy much of the con. <_<

Actually nearly all cons this year have been pretty lousy. Hopefully they will get better. ;__;

scarlet
08-31-2004, 12:37 AM
To put it bluntly, this was my WORST con experience ever. ^___^ Not because of the con itself though. But maybe. I didn't enjoy much of the con. <_<

Actually nearly all cons this year have been pretty lousy. Hopefully they will get better. ;__;

AN will probably be better with the change of location (at least the hotel won't be two blocks away)

rox_my_sox
08-31-2004, 02:03 AM
91 people signed my sign, Michael Sinterniklaas the voice actor signed it. heki-chan signed it too. Thanks to every one who signed on to be my hooker, and for the people that said no i understand...accept that guy that hit the pen out of my hand and said no and walked away...that was rude.

I'm looking for pictures of myself if any ones got any could you send them/it to me, I was cosplaying, souffle rosetti from star ocean 3, chichi from a hentai(D.F.), Tsunade from naruto and amono garnet...people also took pictures of my normal clothes and asked my things like "who are you cosplaying" or "what j-rocker are you cosplaying" ...and i told them that it was my real clothes and they gave me funny looks and asked to take a picture any ways lol..people also took pictures of my sign.

At the all night anime party on saturday to sunday was fun, i talked to squall almost all night untill it ended at 5:00am and then walked around with con goers until 8:00am when the con doors opened...so then we all sat in the convention center and they complained about Cn and one mouthed off a security guard...I was disagreeing with almost eveerything they said and gave my reasons and called one of them stupid for mouthing off to a security guard, And got really mad at how imature they were acting about it so i went to sleep for an hour and ignored them for pretty much the rest of the convention.

In the dealers room I baught 2 little gloomy bears to add to my family, now i have a total of 4 gloomy bears 2 big 2 small.

Over all I had a really good time and met alot of people, thank you to everyone and hobby start for making my CN great ^_^

Kia
08-31-2004, 08:14 AM
And there is an important point there:

Some people may be lead to infer the following oversimplified statements:

AN04 -> masqerade problems -> AN Masq organizers bad,bad,bad
CNA -> masq smooth -> Hobbystar good, good,good

The BIG mistake of those statements relies on the fact that Hobbystar didn't organize the masquerade.They asked the same people that ran AN masq to run it for them!!!

The lessons learned at AN were instrumental in making CNA a success but it would be VERY unfair to dismiss AN in the future in favour of CNA because the glory of last week's masquerade is NOT Hobbystar's.

Dani
Dani, as you already know, I COMPLETELY agree. HobbyStar did NOTHING. Before the con Kaijugal gave the HobbyStar heads a big list of everything we needed to sucessfully run the masquerade. I know both her and Ninja Sensei had dinner with James at least once before the con to sort out the kinks. And when we got to the venue to run the masq, guess what, they listened to NOTHING that was mentioned to them.

Put it in this perpective. Out of all 60 entries, at least 45-50 of them had some sort of audio they wanted us to play during their skit, be it either just background music or their actual skit itself. For about a half an hour to an hour before the start of the masq (hence some of the reason for the hour long delay) we had NO ONE WORKING THE SOUND EQUIPTMENT!!! The technician we THOUGHT was going to run the equiptment (who came with it, you could say) refused to do it, claiming it wasn't his job. The HobbyStar guy wandering around backstage kept telling us that the masq staff ALWAYS brings it's own tech. Dawn kept telling them that this was not true, HobbyStar has always provided someone because she knew for a fact that no one on her crew had ever done sound for her before. HobbyStar wouldn't listen.

To cut this rant short, because I'm sure no one is actually reading this anymore, HobbyStar did NOTHING to sort out the sound problem, which would have crippled the masquerade beyond belief. The just stood there and told us that it's the easiest thing in the world to just put in a CD and press play. They OBVIOUSLY have NEVER been a tech before. Actually sound equiptment is NOTHING like the stereo you have in your own home. We had to run around and fix the problem (which is much MUCH more detailed than just this, but people I talked to on Sunday know all about it) and only accidentally did we find a fellow ninja who had at least SEEN sound equiptment before. I almost had to do it all myself.

Moral of the story: HobbyStar can KISS MY ASS. I did this for Kaijugal, NOT for them. And if she's not the masquerade director again next year I will NOT help them. EVER.

Ninja Sensei
08-31-2004, 08:41 AM
Contrary to popular (and evidently heated) opinion, HobbyStar did not "do nothing" with regards to the masquerade.

They may not have supplied everything that we had asked for, but that is between kaijugal and the organisers to sort out. This is the type of thing that happens when an organization has to adapt to changes - especially due to sudden and unforseen factors.

I have great faith that kaijugal and the organizers at HobbyStar, of which Mr. Armstrong is only one on a team, will work to iron out any other kinks for next year ... when we'll discover a whole new set issues. :)

It would be a good idea for everyone to remember how the masquerade at SFX came about ... One of the organisers was a fan and knew and enjoyed the atmosphere that a masquerade could bring to the expo. Thus the masq was "grafted" onto the end of the Saturday night. While the HobbyStar people wined & dined their industry guests, the fans ran the masquerade.

It's taken us many years to bring the masquerade up to the status that it currently enjoys. We should remember that. That's why we do this ... for the fun and benefit of the community. Change takes time and we are all agents of that change.

We should also remember that, if we don't cultivate it well - or it becomes too much of a hassle for HobbyStar (a business organization) - we may not have to worry about issues with the SFX masquerade ... cuz we might not have one. :eeek:

KusanIvy
08-31-2004, 08:59 AM
I actually prefer AN because I like having panels and things to do. If I want to hang out with my friends I don't need to pay Hobbystar big bucks to do so. I also dislike how they only seem to care about how they can get more money out of people, as opposed to doing things FOR people and caring about putting on a good show.

Normally yes, I agree with you. There is a lot more stuff to do at AN (I think I only went to 3 panels at CNA and one of those was because I was bored). In fact I wasn't going to come to CNA at all (I didn't go last year). But then when I found out Peter Laird and Micheal Sinterniklaas were going to be there I could not, NOT go.

Note to self: in future, do not wear skimpy costumes to CN, because unlike AN it has lots of creepy old comic-fan perverts who stare at my chest while saying "That's a GREAT costume..." or "Can I have my picture taken with you?" and put their sweaty arms around me. Ewww. I felt totally fine in my Ayumi costume at AN last year, but I couldn't wait to change out of her at CN this past weekend. Bleh.

Yeah, at one point I was standing next to you at the masq table and some guy cameup and asked for a pic. At first I thought, since I don't hear so well in that Leo costume, he said, "Can I get a picture of you humping my friend?" I was like 0_0 ! But he'd actually said "Can I get a picture of you hugging my friend?"

Kawaii Bishoujo
08-31-2004, 09:13 AM
but styll..even tho hobby star DIDNT organize the masq..nd everyones agrees that CN's masq. wuz AMAZING...i styll think that AN's masq. wuz better. The fact that AN's masq. had more of a variety of costumes nd their skits were more interesting...i guess O_O well, all i kno is that sum of the performances at AN were re-done at thiz yr's CN masq...it wuznt EXACTLY the same...buh it had the same idea

JustinCredible
08-31-2004, 10:07 AM
creepy old comic-fan perverts...

Come on... they could have been also sci-fi or horror perverts too! ;)
Regardless... its sad to hear that was the case.

At the all night anime party on saturday to sunday was fun, i talked to squall almost all night untill it ended at 5:00am and then walked around with con goers until 8:00am when the con doors opened...

Where we in the same group of people that were walking around on Saturday morning? O_o?

he fact that AN's masq. had more of a variety of costumes

Well that depends on what variety you are refering to? ;)

Hey when it comes to the CN masq, you all are absolutely right... the staff (Dawn and company) really delivered... BUT!

As for the convention itself... it was still one hell of a show. Hobbystar set the table and although people point out the rotting smelly chicken in the corner of the table, many were able to plug their nose and dine. Various guests were surprised and loved their time there... so although we often focus on the negative... positives, including things hobbystar did and didn't have a hand it, made the show worthwhile.

As for my experience...
I ended up getting just under 200 comics... lot of reading to do, Seaman Dreamcast game, some trades and some art. Overall a great haul this year. I only went to 2 panels (Cup Of Joe and Adam Hughes very mistitled panel 'Drawing Babes'... it was an excellent panel about history for the most part) and only 1 video screening (Ikkitosen... had to show some people how fanservice-y it was).

Friday's Anime-All night was frankly terrible. No Karaoke and besides 1 anime that was interesting, the rest of the shown anime was the bottom of the barrell. Saturday's I missed and kick myself for doing so.

And the various chats I had over the course of the weekend were extremely entertaining and fun. The masq, I already gave some thoughts (I hope I did) about it so... no need to add more text to an already long post.

To wrap things Up... I think this year was an improvement... nice baby step, next year... they have their work cut out for them... because it will supposedly be bigger and the inclusion of Gaming (although hopefully they include all gaming because including just video games will disappoint many Warhammer, etc... gamers and vice versa) will be a huge feat to pull out properly.

Regardless... next year... Stay tuned for Nitro...

hellbelle
08-31-2004, 11:57 AM
(wrong person posted)

Tamer Brad
08-31-2004, 02:05 PM
It was pretty good. I had fun singing Vanilla at the karaoke at All Night Anime XD But I did get very sick on the Sunday, which sucked....but overall, I had a lot of fun.

Neoengel
08-31-2004, 06:05 PM
This board logged me out in my first reply, so I'll skim through and offer a few things.

http://www.pulse24.com/In_The_Raw/Raw_Video/page.asp#comic

Here's a video about the illegal weapons seizure.

The police reveal what a few people already knew, including that the booth had operated for a number of years previously, 6 people arrested, 20 charges laid and many weapons confiscated.

The video runs about 12 minutes long and has a few interesting answers by the police to reporters.

As to the Masquerade:

Good luck. I honestly feel that those who focus on the cash will never understand the importance of the Masquerade, and Kudos to those who busted their asses to pull it off.

They're trying, but like a friend said to mt, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. From what I am reading about the apparent lack of organization leads me to be a bit suspect to Hobbystar's commitment to hearing and providing what the fans want.

Honestly, if there won't be a Masquerade at the expo, it won't be the fault of those who gave up their precious time and resources to haul in and try to make it happen.

From what I am hearing, some people that Kia mentioned need to realize that if they are not part of the solution, they're part of the problem.

My personal feelings are that how that expo is run casts a disappointing and inaccurate shadow upon how many other great events run in Toronto.

In their defense, it was a bad year for the expo (some unforseen, some, well...), but from what I read here, it seems to be a repeat of the garbage I've given up putting up with.

I'd rather save my time for events run by people who really do seem to care about the input from the fans - especially those who notjust talk the talk, but walk the walk. Thank you to Kaijugal and her team.

Sid
Snake-Eyes at TT18 (http://neoengel.com/torontotrek18_masquerade_ninjas)
Storm Shadow at TT17 (http://neoengel.com/ttrek17_storm_shadow)
Retired Security
Beer-Ninja
... and the last person you'd want to get on the bad side of right now ;)

Dani, as you already know, I COMPLETELY agree. HobbyStar did NOTHING. Before the con Kaijugal gave the HobbyStar heads a big list of everything we needed to sucessfully run the masquerade. I know both her and Ninja Sensei had dinner with James at least once before the con to sort out the kinks. And when we got to the venue to run the masq, guess what, they listened to NOTHING that was mentioned to them.

Put it in this perpective. Out of all 60 entries, at least 45-50 of them had some sort of audio they wanted us to play during their skit, be it either just background music or their actual skit itself. For about a half an hour to an hour before the start of the masq (hence some of the reason for the hour long delay) we had NO ONE WORKING THE SOUND EQUIPTMENT!!! The technician we THOUGHT was going to run the equiptment (who came with it, you could say) refused to do it, claiming it wasn't his job. The HobbyStar guy wandering around backstage kept telling us that the masq staff ALWAYS brings it's own tech. Dawn kept telling them that this was not true, HobbyStar has always provided someone because she knew for a fact that no one on her crew had ever done sound for her before. HobbyStar wouldn't listen.

To cut this rant short, because I'm sure no one is actually reading this anymore, HobbyStar did NOTHING to sort out the sound problem, which would have crippled the masquerade beyond belief. The just stood there and told us that it's the easiest thing in the world to just put in a CD and press play. They OBVIOUSLY have NEVER been a tech before. Actually sound equiptment is NOTHING like the stereo you have in your own home. We had to run around and fix the problem (which is much MUCH more detailed than just this, but people I talked to on Sunday know all about it) and only accidentally did we find a fellow ninja who had at least SEEN sound equiptment before. I almost had to do it all myself.

Moral of the story: HobbyStar can KISS MY ASS. I did this for Kaijugal, NOT for them. And if she's not the masquerade director again next year I will NOT help them. EVER.

Wookiemart
08-31-2004, 07:34 PM
I kind of felt bad for the Sci-fi/Comic fans, as Anime was LARGER THAN LIFE this year. I wanted to see more superhero costumes! And more Sci-fi/fantasy entries in the masq!
One of the nicest girls I met was cosplaying Star Trek(with her MOTHER, how cool!). I talked to both of them for awhile, and they were sooooo nice.
The girl actually came to console me after I found out we couldn't do our skit- what a GREAT person.

S-san
You're right the two Klingons were really great sports and were totally into the event, and yeah we did kinda feel left out of the loop as far as non anime cosplayers went but hey i guess we only have ourselves to blame for that one lol. It did have the adverse effect of getting all the volunteers attention directed mostly at us though :cool: :cool: :cool:

Wookiemart
08-31-2004, 07:49 PM
I had an awesome time @ CNAX04 *_*

It was the best CNAX that I've attended (2001-2004)

The masquerade was one of the best i've seen. Most of the presentations were well done. Congrats to everyone ^_^

The highlight of the weekend for me though, was running aorund and being an idiot in my Gingerbreadman costume HAHAHAH. O god it was fun. CUTE KIDDIES ON SUNDAY!!! *dies from the cuteness*


Agreed It was the first time I participated in a masquerade and it certainly won't be the last and your costume totaly blew me away... since you put in on behind my back, when i turned around i was simply knocked silly by the surprise lol

bravo

Killmesarah
08-31-2004, 10:01 PM
I'm glad the non-anime cosplayers had fun. I hope to see a LOT more of you next year, especially in the masq! More X-men!
Damn, to mix it up a little, we were thinking of doing a Rocky Horror picture show group.... would that fall into sci-fi?
I also want to ressurect my Lara Croft....

S-san

Sarcasm-hime
08-31-2004, 10:31 PM
Maybe I'll finally get around to making that Scarlet Witch costume I've been planning...^_^ Other comics costumes I wanna make include Shikari (from the Legion) and Promethea.

rox_my_sox
08-31-2004, 10:32 PM
Where we in the same group of people that were walking around on Saturday morning? O_o?

No, I don't believe that we were. I met you through Kia at AN03 and I think that I would have known it was you.

It was pretty good. I had fun singing Vanilla at the karaoke at All Night Anime XD

Omg you sounded so great, totally like gackt ^_^.
heh you signed my sign as pockey game whore XD

zink_monkey
09-01-2004, 12:13 AM
Responding to scarlet Itachi Obsessive (the first post)

I too wasn’t happy (furious at the time) with the way the admission to the Masqurade was handled, both my friend and I were refused entry, they cut off the line right when the regular passes began… SCAM! We both are new to this and were thinking about participating next year, but after reading in these posts how Hobbystar doesn’t listen to Kaijugal, I don’t know how to feel… I got some replies to posts from her that she understood and that was great (calmed us down), but if hobbystar doesn’t listen (as I have been reading), all of you should put them strait. I don’t buy Ninja Sensei argument about how you should be loyal to hobbystar… if the event was supported by them would they charge $45? I don’t know if you noticed the number of people this year, you do the math. I took my friend into Toronto specifically to see the Masqurade, her last free weekend before school, and our trip was ruined, thanks hobbystar! I really don’t know if we will be back either, I’m still trying to remain positive. I gave Kaijugal the idea of wristbands specifically for the Masqurade. Maybe one for participants (very cheaper or free with animation pass), one for the rest (free with animation pass or anime vendor), and one that can be bought separate. If they run out due to being full, no one waits three to four hours. But if the organizers don’t listen to you, you are all overpaying suckers, you built your outfits and this event, don’t let others let hobbystar (a marketing company) use you guys… you are maybe to young to realize when your being taken advantage of, I wish you can prove me wrong. The cosplay people were so nice and Kaijugal is the best!
Zinc.
P.S. if you say we were given prior notice about “advanced priority” I’ll go nuts, we weren’t, they updated the website just before the con with a cryptic “advanced priority” that no one read, (except a couple hard to find posts I didn't even know existed on this site, I just joined after the fact) and check the brochure page 28 in bright red (the only one in bright red!) ANY PASS.
HOBBYSTAR PUTTING THE CON IN CONVENTION!

Kia
09-01-2004, 10:24 AM
Sensei, I do understand the history of the SFX/CNA masquerade and how what we do isn't for us, it's for the benefit of everyone else. But some of my beef is related to the fact that the HobbyStar execs are STILL winning and dining their guest while the rest of us are picking up the slack and often having to deal with the brunt of the publics lack of knowledge about the issue. Like Dani said before, for some reason when things go wrong everyone blames the volunteers who DO NOT get paid to give up their time and make sure things run smoothly. Yet, when things go well because these same volunteers have done a great job people turn around and pat HobbyStar's back. And HobbyStar just sits there trying to figure out how we, the volunteers and earnest attendees, can make them more money.

After the masq almost all the HobbyStar execs were at some party, probably schmoozing with the stars, while Kaijugal was trying to figure out how on earth we were going to get into the main office because the staff had LEFT WITH THE KEYS and some of our important valuables were locked inside. Thankfully a stray HoobyStar staff member was found, but that was perhaps an hour after the masq, forcing people to stay behind waiting for someone to remember about their stuff.

I may have heard incorrectly, but I remember people saying over dinner that a good portion of HobbyStar doesn't see the masquerade as being a very important part of the con, not as important as things like the dealers room at all. And over the years there hasn't been an excessive amount of interest in putting more money out to improve it.

Mind you, over the past three years they seem to have become more willing to improve it, getting us access to the Theater, and many other things. They appear to be willing to listen, but will easily shrug off things saying "You guys have always done that." or "That's easy, why can't you do it?" without any actually working knowledge of how things run. And because the volunteers have done such a great job over the years they seem to have overestimated what they can do without the proper support of they guys with the cheque books.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled that they're willing and possible eager to communicate and work out some of the problems. I have complete faith in Kaijugal's ability to make them see what needs to be improved, but I can't get past the feeling that this is a reaction to the angry people who tried to see the masq (which would loose them money overall) and not because they earnestly want to make things better for people.

If they think that the masquerade isn't a draw, that it isn't the highlight of the convention, go ahead, cancel it. But then I'd like them to count up numbers after the con, look at the empty lobby during the con and realize just how important it is, how many people turn up JUST FOR the masquerade. You can't treat you bread and butter that way and expect for them to be begging to come back.

I will openly support the masquerade of any fan run con, but when it comes to HobbyStar ... it becomes a very touchy subject.

Michi
09-01-2004, 12:43 PM
Can't really comment since I was only there for a REALLY short time (Saturday, from 1-5 (ooh, a whole 4 hours!))--but I'll say that the crowd this year was huge. Way TOO huge, actually. It was very hard to move around or even breathe properly.

The new addition of the horror event is the culprit in that one, I'm sure.

I agree with you there. It was pretty crowded at times. I think we're gonna need a bit more space soon, especially with next year adding the gaming section. *_*; Ohh dear.

hellbelle
09-01-2004, 12:56 PM
(wrong person posted)

Michi
09-01-2004, 12:59 PM
You were there too, Michi? I didn't even see you. >.< Doesn't surprise me though since I came and left really quickly...

And I can't BELIEVE they're adding another event. :mfg: Insane...

Yeah, but I was mostly just lurking around in normal clothes and only cosplayed at the masquerade, so it's not like I stood out. XD But I live in Canada now so I'll be at all sorts of Toronto cons from now on. @___@

I like the idea of the new event, but I just hope they'll try to be better with space because of it. ><

JustinCredible
09-01-2004, 01:06 PM
I agree with you there. It was pretty crowded at times. I think we're gonna need a bit more space soon, especially with next year adding the gaming section. *_*; Ohh dear.

Well it seems they're planning on using 2 Halls, instead of 1.

Hopefully its Exhibit Halls A (which is what the dealer's room was in this year) and B (which is where the dealer's room used to be 4 years ago and where this year people lined up when it started to rain outside).

One set of Escalators can be used to go upstairs and another to go down making it easier to travel... yet it doesn't solve the many situations that arrose this year like the stamping and the sort...

Kia
09-01-2004, 01:38 PM
Well it seems they're planning on using 2 Halls, instead of 1.

Hopefully its Exhibit Halls A (which is what the dealer's room was in this year) and B (which is where the dealer's room used to be 4 years ago and where this year people lined up when it started to rain outside).

One set of Escalators can be used to go upstairs and another to go down making it easier to travel... yet it doesn't solve the many situations that arrose this year like the stamping and the sort...
Hmmmm ... but by having the dealers room taking up both halls, the question becomes which set of escalators will they decide to use as the main ones? If they go for the center set then the main foyer, where everyone usually congregates, will become a lot more crowded than it was this year. Truthfully, I think the only way to create more space would be to move to the south part of the MTCC, but there the layout is diferent and I'm not sure how well it would work.

:: shrug :: Who knows what will change by next year.

Tamer Brad
09-01-2004, 01:42 PM
Omg you sounded so great, totally like gackt ^_^.
heh you signed my sign as pockey game whore XD
omg shut up XD I sounded horrible

Wookiemart
09-01-2004, 03:23 PM
we were thinking of doing a Rocky Horror picture show group.... would that fall into sci-fi?
S-san

This actually proves the fact that the asnwer usualy lies in the question...

I would say...

Horror !!!!! :crylaugh: :crylaugh: :crylaugh:

Ninja Sensei
09-01-2004, 03:41 PM
Good points Zink_Monkey. But ...

but after reading in these posts how Hobbystar doesn’t listen to Kaijugal, I don’t know how to feel… [quote]

Actually HobbyStar DID listen to Kaijugal. They just didn't act on ALL her points. I shudder to think what it would have been like if they hadn't listened to her at all! :eeek:

[QUOTE=zink_monkey]I don’t buy Ninja Sensei argument about how you should be loyal to hobbystar… if the event was supported by them would they charge $45?

I'm not saying "be loyal to HobbyStar" ... I'm more saying support the hobby. And I fully understand if not everyone suppotrs every masquerade in town. I know it's not a perfect world.

And - for the record - I am saddened that many of you hard-core fans didn't get in to view the masquerade. This was the first year they tried something like this. And so we learn, and go on from here. Hopefully next year it will be (a) communicated better, and (b) maybe more equitable.

Ninja Sensei
09-01-2004, 03:51 PM
Kia, you're not wrong in feeling the frustrations that you and others are currently experieincing. There is still much to improve.

And you're correct in that Saturday night is HobbyStar's industry night with their guests ... ALL the guests. Your last point shows us exactly where their mtivation lies:

I will openly support the masquerade of any fan run con, but when it comes to HobbyStar ... it becomes a very touchy subject.

HobbyStar's SFX/CNA/Comic Expo/Festival of Fear is a business venture - an exposition - and not a convention.

If they see the masquerade as truly being a great asset to the show, they'll devote time and resources to it ... as they have in the past. Remember us borrowing a boom box, seats arranged in a small room, and a 1-foot high stage? We actually have "come a long way, baby!" :)

If they don't see it adding value ... they'll stop supporting it. No - I don't see them doing this anytime soon. They are very committed in working with the community to make it bigger and better.

In fact, on Sunday we actually started tossing out ideas on imporvements over this year. Kaijugal's wristband policy was tabled for the first time. We chatted about moving venues (I couldn't sell them on Roy Thompson Hall just yet ;) )

... and over the 365 days we should be having many more talks with them. I encourage everyone to be diligent in asking for updates from various people - ALTHOUGH I'd suggest waiting a couple months before you start reeeeally going after information. :)

We are the agents of change in this process. And many of the new ideas will come initially from everyone here.

Wookiemart
09-01-2004, 03:57 PM
Good points Zink_Monkey. But ...



I'm not saying "be loyal to HobbyStar" ... I'm more saying support the hobby. And I fully understand if not everyone suppotrs every masquerade in town. I know it's not a perfect world.

And - for the record - I am saddened that many of you hard-core fans didn't get in to view the masquerade. This was the first year they tried something like this. And so we learn, and go on from here. Hopefully next year it will be (a) communicated better, and (b) maybe more equitable.

Here is a thought, they had video feed in the green room why not do that for those who just cant make it in, you still get a sense of what happened even if your not really there, now I know its not a perfect idea but its a step towards a solution, and who knows it just might suit those who dont want to buy the all access pass, or even better they could sell a really low price ticket for just the video feed masquerade and why not do a live feed on the web while your at it. If the masquerade keeps beeing so crowded both on and off stage something will have to be done to get it out there to the people...

Kaijugal
09-01-2004, 04:30 PM
Here is a thought, they had video feed in the green room why not do that for those who just cant make it in, you still get a sense of what happened even if your not really there, now I know its not a perfect idea but its a step towards a solution, and who knows it just might suit those who dont want to buy the all access pass, or even better they could sell a really low price ticket for just the video feed masquerade and why not do a live feed on the web while your at it. If the masquerade keeps beeing so crowded both on and off stage something will have to be done to get it out there to the people...

It would be lovely to do a video feed to the web, but we can't simply for the reason that many of the entries use copywrited music in their presentations and thus we'd be leaving people open to legal action.

Wookiemart
09-01-2004, 04:34 PM
It would be lovely to do a video feed to the web, but we can't simply for the reason that many of the entries use copywrited music in their presentations and thus we'd be leaving people open to legal action.

Ack!

I hate lawyers :( :(

Kia
09-01-2004, 06:54 PM
In fact, on Sunday we actually started tossing out ideas on imporvements over this year. Kaijugal's wristband policy was tabled for the first time. We chatted about moving venues (I couldn't sell them on Roy Thompson Hall just yet ;) )

If that were *ever* to happen (even the idea is making me drool) and they *didn't* give us a proper tech crew with the venue ... :sulk:
But on the up side the accoustics would be AMAZING! ^_^

JustinCredible
09-01-2004, 07:37 PM
Hmmmm ... but by having the dealers room taking up both halls, the question becomes which set of escalators will they decide to use as the main ones? If they go for the center set then the main foyer, where everyone usually congregates, will become a lot more crowded than it was this year. Truthfully, I think the only way to create more space would be to move to the south part of the MTCC, but there the layout is diferent and I'm not sure how well it would work.

:: shrug :: Who knows what will change by next year.

Ohhh.... Never again. I for one dispise the South building. I remember the first time I went to the con... and it took forever getting from the front of the building to the south... people already complain how far the Strathcona is from the front of the MTCC... wait till they are 4 levels down in the south. With the North, I like the idea of having one set of escalators going up and another going down. But there are advantages of using the South Building... like the lines won't trail outside.


And you're correct in that Saturday night is HobbyStar's industry night with their guests ... ALL the guests. Your last point shows us exactly where their mtivation lies

BUT, I shall say that if the guests I talked to were any indication, they really enjoyed their via Hobbystar and won't mind coming back again... So they have the guest treatment down (although, I can't help to remember the stories about poor treatment in 2000.. but alas), we now have to direct their attention to fan treatment!

... and over the 365 days we should be having many more talks with them. I encourage everyone to be diligent in asking for updates from various people - ALTHOUGH I'd suggest waiting a couple months before you start reeeeally going after information. :)

We are the agents of change in this process. And many of the new ideas will come initially from everyone here.

Indeed, tell them what you want. Hard of hearing, maybe... but you have a good 9 - 10 months to stamp the message home of what you expect from a convention/expo experience.

In fact, on Sunday we actually started tossing out ideas on imporvements over this year. Kaijugal's wristband policy was tabled for the first time. We chatted about moving venues (I couldn't sell them on Roy Thompson Hall just yet ;) )

Woah... and the rate this convention is going, that might be an inevitability. RTH, I believe can hold 2,600 whereas the John Bassett Theatre holds 1,330... that just doubles the amount of people. Plus I would just HAVE to wear a monkey suit (not literally) to the show... just decked out in GQ gear. :bigtu:

Kia
09-01-2004, 07:44 PM
Ohhh.... Never again. I for one dispise the South building. I remember the first time I went to the con... and it took forever getting from the front of the building to the south... people already complain how far the Strathcona is from the front of the MTCC... wait till they are 4 levels down in the south. With the North, I like the idea of having one set of escalators going up and another going down. But there are advantages of using the South Building... like the lines won't trail outside.


Oh I prefer the North building as well. It's convenient, has easy access and a lot of natural light (which also works very well for photos ^_^). I only recall being in the South building a handfull of times (November TAC, University Fair, that computer fair with my dad, etc ...) and it just gives off this whole "We don't like you and want to hide you in the bowels of Hell" feeling. Plus the time it would take people to walk to find food would have then working it off by the time they got back to the con anyways. ^_^

Really, who knows how they're going to solve the problem, or if they even find it a problem at all. I really doubt the HobbyStar staff spend much time in the lobby at all, especially not during peak hours.

JustinCredible
09-01-2004, 07:52 PM
Really, who knows how they're going to solve the problem, or if they even find it a problem at all. I really doubt the HobbyStar staff spend much time in the lobby at all, especially not during peak hours.

Oh.. then you have missed Mr. Armstrong (I believe) weaving back and forth to different locations trying to fix the many problems that occur during a Hobbystar run event ;)

zink_monkey
09-01-2004, 08:52 PM
Hey Ninja Sensei, I found out it’s the first time the line mix up happened this year, that at least makes the mistakes bearable… It’s a nightmare to run an event like this I’m sure (especially dealing with people not happy with things after the fact. Sorry, I hate being one of “those”, but if I didn’t say anything it might just happen again). I do agree that you need to support your hobby, It must be hard dealing with a controlling marketing company with profits in mind (sorry Kaijugal). I have to admit the community you have created is the best I have ever seen, so welcoming and nice, the outfits are beautiful too (I was blown away), as an outsider I really appreciate what you all are doing and amazed with the artistic creativity and imagination you all have. The turnout was absolutely amazing. I’m happy the cosplay scene is as healthy as it is, it’s like the star trek fans are disappearing and being replaced by you guys… really weird (cosplay pod people). I hope next year it will be as you said, communicated better, and maybe more equitable. I do agree with Wookiemart too, you could do a video feed, but instead of a broadcast, put a video screen outside in the hall in case the show fills to capacity… Kaijugal mentioned not broadcast to the net for copywrite problems and I agree (It was a great idea Wookiemart!)… oh ya not to forget wristbands too :P

Zinc.
P.S. the cosplay patchwork pictures are wonderful!
http://photobucket.com/albums/v110/cooro_plusanima/March%20TAC%202004/

dani
09-01-2004, 10:48 PM
Just a reminder to all the people who just discovered the joys and tribulations of Masquerades and are anxious to get hands-on to improve them:

There is NO need to wait for next year's CNA.
Ad-Astra, Anime North, Toronto Trek and other local cons will appreciate your volunteering :)

Dani

Michi
09-02-2004, 02:22 AM
Damn, to mix it up a little, we were thinking of doing a Rocky Horror picture show group.... would that fall into sci-fi?

I think such a cult movie can fit into a con with comic/scifi/horror aspects. Rocky Horror is hard to define. You'd think 'horror' by seeing the title, but it's not that kind of movie... XD

Dammit, I would LOVE to join such a group, but I know my poor boyfriend would be freaked out. >_> I'll just totally support you and take lots of pictures. Yesyes.

Kaijugal
09-02-2004, 04:30 AM
After the masq almost all the HobbyStar execs were at some party, probably schmoozing with the stars, while Kaijugal was trying to figure out how on earth we were going to get into the main office because the staff had LEFT WITH THE KEYS and some of our important valuables were locked inside. Thankfully a stray HoobyStar staff member was found, but that was perhaps an hour after the masq, forcing people to stay behind waiting for someone to remember about their stuff..

As it turns out, "stray staff memeber" was assigned to us. It was nice of James to remember us. ^_^ Things seem to be gettiing a llittle better all the time.

Wow, is there anyone else who remembers back when the masq at CNA first got started? No Greenroom, No sound, No video Feed, no CHAIRS for the contestants. Next to nothing? -_-" I agree we have come a long way baby. But we still have a bit to go. :)

Ninja Sensei
09-02-2004, 07:43 AM
It would be lovely to do a video feed to the web, but we can't simply for the reason that many of the entries use copywrited music in their presentations and thus we'd be leaving people open to legal action.

... But you never know, we might be able to do something along these lines. It may prove an avenue to be explored more.

(I think it's a great idea too!)

Ninja Sensei
09-02-2004, 07:50 AM
I have to admit the community you have created is the best I have ever seen, so welcoming and nice, the outfits are beautiful too (I was blown away), as an outsider I really appreciate what you all are doing and amazed with the artistic creativity and imagination you all have.

LOL! I'm sure that there are many costumers quietly beaming their pride at being so praised.

(And some NOT so quietly I'll bet as well! :angel2: )

Ninja Sensei
09-02-2004, 07:52 AM
As it turns out, "stray staff memeber" was assigned to us. It was nice of James to remember us. ^_^ Things seem to be gettiing a llittle better all the time.

Wow, is there anyone else who remembers back when the masq at CNA first got started? No Greenroom, No sound, No video Feed, no CHAIRS for the contestants. Next to nothing? -_-" I agree we have come a long way baby. But we still have a bit to go. :)

I remember those days with ... what's the word? ... Oh yes ... "fondness" ...

Hey KaijuGal! Now you can start telling stories that begin with: "I remember back in the day..."

Welcome to the old folks home!!! LOL!

Kaijugal
09-02-2004, 04:44 PM
I remember those days with ... what's the word? ... Oh yes ... "fondness" ...

Hey KaijuGal! Now you can start telling stories that begin with: "I remember back in the day..."

Welcome to the old folks home!!! LOL!

Quiet you !!! I got carded at the bar again last night, so I can't be that old yet. :razz:

Kaijugal
09-02-2004, 04:46 PM
... But you never know, we might be able to do something along these lines. It may prove an avenue to be explored more.

(I think it's a great idea too!)

Cool ! Nice of you to volunteer to take care of it. ;) :bigtu: ~Hehehe

CaptainJake
09-02-2004, 04:46 PM
Quiet you !!! I got carded at the bar again last night, so I can't be that old yet. :razz:

By that logic... would I be old?

That makes Jake sad.

Wookiemart
09-02-2004, 04:54 PM
Cool ! Nice of you to volunteer to take care of it. ;) :bigtu: ~Hehehe


Eeeeehh! Ninja , looks like you steped in something there lol

I think I'll call it a "Zilla ambush!" yeah that sounds about right...

On a more serious note, I can enquirer to my friends who broadcast a Web Radio Show and get an idea of what needs to be done to avoid all sorts of legal stuff...

Kaijugal
09-03-2004, 09:38 AM
Eeeeehh! Ninja , looks like you steped in something there lol

I think I'll call it a "Zilla ambush!" yeah that sounds about right...

On a more serious note, I can enquirer to my friends who broadcast a Web Radio Show and get an idea of what needs to be done to avoid all sorts of legal stuff...

I don't see why not. :) You seem really keen on this project and something really cool could come out of it. ^_^

Ninja Sensei
09-03-2004, 11:32 PM
Cool ! Nice of you to volunteer to take care of it. ;) :bigtu: ~Hehehe

Well ... If I'm looking after that, I can't be behind the podium, right?

Kaijugal
09-04-2004, 09:33 AM
Well ... If I'm looking after that, I can't be behind the podium, right?

Hahaha. Nice try. It should all be arranged and set up well before show time, so it will not interfear with your MC duties in the least. *grin*

Ninja Sensei
09-04-2004, 08:07 PM
Hahaha. Nice try. It should all be arranged and set up well before show time, so it will not interfear with your MC duties in the least. *grin*

Not so ... as we BOTH know I might have to make last minute decisions for the sake of the show ... we've learned that from experience. :)

(BTW - you can pick up your Old Fart's Membership Card at the next meeting.)

Kaijugal
09-04-2004, 09:13 PM
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