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Dahlia
12-17-2002, 09:27 PM
I was wondering, what type of make-up is best for Visual kei style make-up? I've been looking into some theatre brands but I figured I'd see what everyone else thought.

Koumori
12-17-2002, 10:08 PM
What kind of makeup, and where will you be wearing it (on stage, at a club, in the halls)? Some of it is very understated and can easily be done with your everyday makeup.

soshi
12-17-2002, 11:05 PM
Ben Nye = god of white face.

Koumori
12-17-2002, 11:20 PM
Ben Nye is the best for theatrical foundations (and fake blood, but that's another thread)... For just plain strong colors, I like Make Up For Ever; any dark eyeshadow will make a good eyeliner if you apply it with a wet eyeliner brush. It all depends on the kind of face you want...

manaxmana
12-18-2002, 01:11 PM
Anna sui is good too. The brand is one brand that carries my fave blue-purple lipstick and glittery mascara.

Basically, as what koumori said, it depends on what style you are going for. You can just mix any brands of makeup together to create a look - the colors are what that matters. :)

Dahlia
12-19-2002, 09:57 PM
well basically this would be for cosplay purposes, so halls of the conventions and on stage for the cosplay. generally looking for good foundation to make my skin a little paler at times and sometimes a bit for sallow/yellow tone since I'm fair skinned. then something for the eyes to give that two tone definition, ie. mana etc.

Koumori
12-19-2002, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Dahlia
well basically this would be for cosplay purposes, so halls of the conventions and on stage for the cosplay. generally looking for good foundation to make my skin a little paler at times and sometimes a bit for sallow/yellow tone since I'm fair skinned. then something for the eyes to give that two tone definition, ie. mana etc.

Right - but again, what kind of face? Some VK makeup looks are very understated, with neutral lipstick and minimal eyes, while some go the exact opposite way. Do you have a pic of the face you're going for? That might help me come up with a better answer. :) Also, are you looking for specific * brands* of makeup or specific *products* that we would suggest you use? Either way, you're really best off experimenting and practicing until you decide what's right for you.

manaxmana
12-20-2002, 01:43 PM
Hey, koumori.. have you ever use that really white foundation for make up like Malice Mizer...? What brand do you recommand..?

Koumori
12-20-2002, 01:54 PM
No, I've never been able to use white foundation successfully - either I blend the hell out of it and your natural tone shows through anyway, or I use too much and end up looking like a clown. I try to go for a look that's pale, without being too mime-y. For me, this involves a few steps. First, after moisturizing, I use a green-toned liquid to try to tone down some of the natural pinkness in my face. Then (sometimes - don't think I did any of this for my avatar pic really) I'll go over my whole face with a sheer white pre-base. After that, I use a pale natural-toned foundation, which these days is probably whatever the lightest shade of Make Up For Ever is; and finally, I go over all of that with a matte white powder, which I can touch up as it wears off.

Manic Panic sells the classic "goth white" liquid foundation, but I think it would take a lot of experimenting to make that work right. Amphigory also has a number of super-pale liquids that I haven't tried but am intrigued by, as well as the sheer white toner. I've also been thinking of picking up their Total Face Primer and seeing how that works.

Yuna
12-20-2002, 02:01 PM
I would stear clear of solid white face paint. Your best bet is to just get a pale pale foundation and powder and work with that. From what I've seen, most people can't distribute the white paints evenly, so it ends up looking cracked and blotchy, basically just gross. Also, sweat makes it run and contrubutes even more to the blotchyness. I've done 3 VK cosplays, one including Mana, and I've found it so much nicer to just use a really pale foundation. It doesn't require re-application and doesn't blotch with her sweat or if you can't distrubute it evenly. I'd say that's your best bet until you *really* get the hang of the white stuff and know how long you can wear it before your persperation makes it all gross.

die-sama
12-20-2002, 10:43 PM
personally , heres' what works for me (as i ALWAYS do my OWN makeup XD)

i will supply with examples etc :D
lets start off with complete "visual" :
(kyo AATD, what i did) http://www.twilighthush.com/prototype/aatd1.JPG
(Daisuke FULL COURSE)
http://www.twilighthush.com/prototype/daisuke1.JPG
Okay.. this is going to sound odd but there is this REALLLY REALLY REALLY cheap halloween makeup thats in this little cake form with a black cup. thats sort of oily. but if you use that. apply it evenly on your face, it will look more like like a more-white foundation :) dont cake it on. then use a perfumed powder (the kind w/ the puffs) and puff your face with it
NOW keep in mind ANYTHING you do on your face from hence forth = pernament= dont mess up or u'll have to start over XD
then i use Coal based eye liners and i really suggest oil makeup over powder cuz its more...direct and bright . and i think powder is just too weak

http://www.twilighthush.com/prototype/due6.JPG(miyabi) this was simplier and i used a simple foundation that i bought from china. its sort of like a makeup face lightner but it works great. and i did the same powder on face thing :)

http://www.twilighthush.com/prototype/kaoru5.JPG < kaoru
this was just simple foundation w/ light powder on it with coal liners. etc

http://www.twilighthush.com/myaku/otakon11.JPG (me and friend)
i'm the taller one. i used the same technique oil + powder on my eyes i used stuff like lipstick w/ glitter. i think he used the oil but did not powder so by the end of the day some of it looked like it was coming off. but still it photographed great :D

i hope i helped

Yuna
12-21-2002, 02:43 PM
though, you're all pro Die-chan, so you don't count >p

die-sama
12-21-2002, 10:17 PM
i dont count? *sniffle* ;;_;; yuna you so mean *goes and cries in a corner*

manaxmana
12-22-2002, 01:13 AM
Ooooh.. okies! thank you guys..!!

But die chan... you said it's oily... >< what if my face start to break out??

Yuna
12-22-2002, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by die-chan
i dont count? *sniffle* ;;_;; yuna you so mean *goes and cries in a corner*

You know you like it >D







J/K <3<3<3

cutekawaii
12-24-2002, 02:17 AM
To get the white-face, I use Ben Nye color cake. It comes in this round case and looks like it can't even go ON your face because it's hard, but once you get it wet, it's magic. After applying that I apply some white pressed powder.

example: http://moonglow.nu/nikkichan/cygnenoir/cosplay/mine/mana-leciel/mana-leciel5.jpg terrible picture, but what can you do.

DO NOT use "professional clown" make-up. First of all, ask yourself...whats a professional clown??? Secondly, this stuff is super oily and does not blend well. It's thick and comes off easily too.

To get the pale look...that can be accomplished by putting on a foundation to neutralize your skin tone (like koumori said. i have to do the opposite of her since i have a greenish skin tone, so i put pinkish foundation on), followed by a pale colored foundation, followed by a light layer of white powder. However, when the camera flash goes off, the light tends to go through the powder... it's a decent enough method though, and should be fine if you put light foundation on too. If you just use light foundation it looks...bad ^^ here http://moonglow.nu/nikkichan/pics/me/totchi/totchi2.jpg i tried it with just the light color...didnt turn out so well. i didn neutralize either, make SURE you do that!!

example: http://moonglow.nu/nikkichan/pics/me/vampy.jpg see how you can still see some of our natural skin? here, we didn't use a light foundation underneith the powder, so doing that should help a lot. but as you can see it really made me pale; here is my natural color: http://moonglow.nu/nikkichan/pics/me/side.jpg

Koumori
12-24-2002, 09:26 AM
You know what? I don't actually *like* the white-face look. I've never seen a single instance where somebody wearing it didn't look like a clown. And that includes Mana. I think the pale look is just fine in 99.9% of cases.

die-sama
12-25-2002, 03:08 AM
mana is -pretty- "white" o,o;; considering ALL that makeup he cakes on....
instances like Kyo, Daisuke (kagerou), Kozi, yu~ki (le ciel) o,o;;; pale i would consider just the rest of DEG, DLQ, Kagrra, etc etc and gackt and others are just normal o,o;;;

i have good skin and i've been using the same technique that costs me about 2 bucks for all my makeup and i havne't had a single zit from it o,O
then again without makeup my normal foundation is REALLY pale..the softest tone is usually a shade darker than my normal colour o,o so *shrugs*
and you know the stuff i used never chunks
except for at otakon when i had to wipe it off and redo it cuz of a little 'mishap' x_x *shakes fists*
~nikki~ that stuff u had at otakon.. i really didn't like that @_@ the powder was ok..but the other stuff .....i just...chunked @_@;; i had so much trouble with it >_<; maybe i'm just stupid

freakyarcher
02-07-2005, 10:59 PM
You know what? I don't actually *like* the white-face look. I've never seen a single instance where somebody wearing it didn't look like a clown. And that includes Mana. I think the pale look is just fine in 99.9% of cases.

ouch!

here is one instance where the person does not look like a clown wearing the white face make up:

http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=263439

perhaps it depends on how much and if the person applies evenly. i am tan, i use stargazer's pure white foundation and/or off white rice powder to make it look less shocking. the eyes need heavy liner to stand out from all that foundation and makeup, as do the lips. but make up is not the only thing that yells "visual kei", you can do it with wild hair and face jewelry ^.~
some times it works, some times it doesn't. good luck.

Natakuaya
02-09-2005, 01:17 PM
Iíve done Mana many times in the past. I hard started out with cheap white face and then moved to ben nye. Ben nye is the best Iíve found so far if you want good solid white face.. though you need to buy setting powder transparent or white either works fine but transparent you can use on other stuff Iíve done it to set lipstick and blue liquid latex when I did mystique.

Some of my white face picsÖ
http://www.natakuaya.com/Images/Photoshoot0/Photoshoot28.jpg
http://www.natakuaya.com/Images/Photoshoot0/Photoshoot05.jpg

sorry at collage right now those are the best ones I have access to right now .

Face
Iíve found that the biggest mistake people make when applying white face is the wipe it on. I found it goes on very easy and fast if you get a sponge makeup wedge and pat it on. I find that wiping it on just smears it around and gives a very uneven look.

Eyes
The blue around my eyes is also ben nye and was applied the same way I wouldnít suggest doing that unless you have a lot of practice. It would prob be easier to use regular eye shadow. I use regular liquid eye liner the kind with a felt tip on it that you dip into the base. The kind with the stuff behind the tip gets stopped up and the brush isnít as accurate. I know Revlon makes the kind aim talking about.

Lips
For applying lipstick I use an angled oil paint brush. Lipstick of choice and lip liner. The lip liner helps from letting the lipstick feather out.. some of you prob know what Iím talking about lol it gets really annoying when it does that. So I line the lips and then apply the lipstick with the paint brush. Really helpful if your trying to blend several colors like black in the corners and then red in the middle for the Kaoru look. here is an example of the lips..
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=246935


Mistake Removal and removal
If you make a mistake which Iíve done a lot with around my eyes. The best way to get that part off is to use biore face cleansing cloths. They come in white plastic box thingys and are about 5-8$ depending on what brand. This way you donít have water and soap everywhere and you can concentrate on the small area you need to remove. After you get it off just reapply the white face to that area. You can also use the cloths to remove everything. Iíve also found Neutrogena oily face cleanser (orange stuff in a pump bottle) works really well as well.

anyway thats my take on the make up stuff. ^_^ I hope it helps