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PZB
01-05-2005, 09:20 PM
So I've officially lost my mind and decided to remake my Inuyasha costume to be historically accurate (or as close as possible, given the liberites that Rumiko Takahashi took on his design.) The problem is I can't find much in the way of clear references or drawings that depict how it closed, (particularlly the top, be it hoari, suikan, kariginu or what have you.) So does anyone have any sites to recommend (aside from http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/garb/index.html ) that has good image references?

Thanks a million!

Appleseed42
01-06-2005, 07:40 PM
First of all Rumiko Takahashi is a woman. Secondly, I would design the pants like a hakama without pleats and draw strings at the bottom. For the top, I think Rumiko was going for a hitoe like tope with longer sleeves. I think she innovated the design herself because she wasn't concerned that her readers were looking at the historical fact, but just wanted it to me a good looking manga (stated in an intervew between her and Animercia, June 1997) anyways, I couldn't find any other historical sites, but I hope that helps you.

kiwi
01-06-2005, 09:06 PM
First of all Rumiko Takahashi is a woman...

He's playing a little fast and loose with the modifiers, but the "his" is in reference to Inuyasha (Inuyasha's design, 'his design') not Rumiko's.

Otherwise... you will need to take some fairly large liberties with the actual character design, but it's a nice concept. If you need a pattern, folkwear makes a good, historically accurate pattern for pre-modern Japanese clothing.

PZB
01-06-2005, 09:36 PM
I know Takahashi is a woman...I was indeed speaking on Inuyasha's design, not her designs on a whole (though it's pretty appearent that she did take liberites on all of her designs. :) )

In regards to making the modifications to the hakama, would it have actually been that way or were those details omitted from the design for simplicity? I had intended on doing the pleats and such... My concern is more leaning toward how it would tranditionally close, because obviously snaps and hooks are out of the question.

Thanks for the tip on Folkwear. They remind me of Alter Years on a much larger scale. :D They have a couple patterns that might work out. (Thank you, Last Samurai.) Heh...what do you know? Alter Years carries them. I'll have to make a trip out that way this weekend... :D

Appleseed42
01-06-2005, 09:48 PM
gomen! thought you were talking about her designs...oh I feel stupid now

PZB
01-06-2005, 11:37 PM
No worries...I can see how that could be misconstrued. :D

One more question - anyone have any imput on the flap across the front? I've seen a couple pieces that have such flaps, but the top has generally been at the base of the neck, not across the breast, thus making the neckline entirely different.... Is it safe to say this is another of Takahashi's liberties? :D Or is there some basis in reality to that one?

Twin Star
01-07-2005, 04:55 AM
umm.... well if you're wanting Historicly accurate, I'm afraid you're bark'n up the wrong tree (hahah, a pun ^^;; ) I'm part of the Society of Creative Anachrinism (SCA), and i have a persona from that period of time in Japan, and Inu-Yasha's and even Kikyou/Kaede's outfits are SO not period correct. Kikyou/Kaede's 'Miko' outfit, was worn as undergarments (like peddicoats and corsets of european ideals). The only outfit that is marginally period is Miroku's Buddist outfit, and even that's pushing it....

For just strait up cosplay, think of tieing the Kosode/Houri/Top-thing, like you would tie a karate top, since that's basicly how it's drawn... as far as the Hakama, i don't know how to describe how to tie it, but at the back there should be one tie, at the front is another tie, with a slight opening at the sides.... wrap the front strings to the back and tie them, and the same at the front.... ((i hope that makes sence to you...))

If you're looking into the real thing, there's a group on Yahoo!Groups:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sca-jml/

WitchSakura
01-07-2005, 12:35 PM
You could try The book of Kimono it has a chapter on temple garb.

PZB
01-08-2005, 12:18 AM
wrap the front strings to the back and tie them, and the same at the front.... ((i hope that makes sence to you...))

lol, okay then, for arguement's sake, let's say historically accurate to Takahashi's designs. XD Given that I'm really only familiar with English Renaissance period clothing (not SCA, but we have a pretty large Renaissance Faire out in this area every spring...the drive toward accuracy with that garb is what stemmed this little project), I wasn't entirely sure how accurate her designs were in general.

I do follow you on the Hakama, as I've done a basic form of it before, though it wasn't exactly accruate in the ties (at the time, I wasn't aware of how it was actually tied...I just sorta costumed the hell out of that whole thing :D)

The problem with the top is the flap bit. Otherwise, I would just treat it as a standard kimono, but I remember reading a bit (though for the life of me, can't remember exactly where to reference again) something about ties that came from the back around to the upper right to tie the flap....does that sound like anything you might have encountered?

kendrian
01-08-2005, 02:32 AM
Inu Yasha, Seishomaru, Naraku etc. being nobles in their own right, I have to tell you that their dress is acurate. Even up untill the Tokugawa Shogunate, The Imperial Court officials and Nobility dressed in the garb of the Heian Period, which was the greatest period of Imperial rule. Takahashi's charecters dressing that way is a sing of their high noble status. That, and they are demons who have lived a long time.

As for Kikyo, her costumeing seems right to me. Miko wear red Hakama, and white Kimono, again, her Kimono is in the Heian style. It's also rather stylistic for the artist to draw them that way.

Miroku's garb is dead on for a preist, even to this day.

Hikaruchan
01-08-2005, 02:40 AM
Not totally accurate - as the sleeves were basically all square or rectangle in shape so InuYasha & Kikyo's bell sleeves are definitely the wrong shape. I am having to decide things like this on Izayoi, since not drawn historically accurate (front shape of robe is wrong and sleeves are off - I am keeping unhistorical front (not a tab in around hips) but will see how sleeves look doing it more historical).

kendrian
01-08-2005, 02:45 AM
great Yahoo group, btw, twin star.

Twin Star
01-09-2005, 01:01 AM
Inu Yasha, Seishomaru, Naraku etc. being nobles in their own right, I have to tell you that their dress is acurate. Even up untill the Tokugawa Shogunate, The Imperial Court officials and Nobility dressed in the garb of the Heian Period, which was the greatest period of Imperial rule. Takahashi's charecters dressing that way is a sing of their high noble status. That, and they are demons who have lived a long time.

As for Kikyo, her costumeing seems right to me. Miko wear red Hakama, and white Kimono, again, her Kimono is in the Heian style. It's also rather stylistic for the artist to draw them that way.

Miroku's garb is dead on for a preist, even to this day.


Inu-Yasha's clothes aren't all that accurate, believe me I've asked. Sesshoumaru's and Naraku's could be, but it's pushing it, and durring the time of the warring states, there were few mikos, and the clothes that Kikyou and Kaede wear are not correct for their true station, since most mikos durring this time were also fighting to survive while wars were waged, and few mikos were from wealthy families, if they were, they became nuns (since christianity was there for a time, and there were still followers). Miroku's garb is close, but it's still pushing it... ^^;; I'll have to ask my clan leader to make sure.


This is another site that i forgot to post last time, where the 'inu-yasha' question was asked:
http://tousando.proboards18.com/index.cgi

Yueyume
01-09-2005, 02:02 AM
Sesshoumaru's and Naraku's could be, but it's pushing it, and durring the time of the warring states, there were few mikos, and the clothes that Kikyou and Kaede wear are not correct for their true station, since most mikos durring this time were also fighting to survive while wars were waged, and few mikos were from wealthy families, if they were, they became nuns (since christianity was there for a time, and there were still followers). Miroku's garb is close, but it's still pushing it... ^^;; I'll have to ask my clan leader to make sure.

Well...Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Europeans come in contact with Japan in the middle/late 1500's? And the Sengoku Jidai was 1400~ish to 1560~ish. So christianity wouldn't have been introduced to Japan yet?

Twin Star
01-09-2005, 04:09 AM
Well...Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Europeans come in contact with Japan in the middle/late 1500's? And the Sengoku Jidai was 1400~ish to 1560~ish. So christianity wouldn't have been introduced to Japan yet?
true... ^^;; gomen, i sometimes get my times mixed up....

Bahzi
01-09-2005, 05:37 AM
What's strange about the bell sleeves is that in some pictures, both scans and screenshots, the sleeves do indeed look like that of a traditional haori, and others they are bell sleeved, same as Miroku's, I have pictures drawn both ways. For the most part, I have to agree that the Inuyasha costumes are not historically accurate, but I generally classify them as Heian period, because it's easier and as close as it gets to fitting any era. Inuyasha probably has the most inaccurate costume of all, with the kimono flap and the bell sleeves, his outfit seems to be a combo between peasant type pants (not really traditional hakama because of the lack of pleats) and priestess wear, with the slits in the sleeves and contrast ribbon on the sleeves. Much better than a historically accurate Inuyasha costume would be an accurate to art book character design Inuyasha...most people either forget the kimono flap or don't make the pants as poofy as they should be...get it to look like the manga/anime and you'll be in good shape.

PZB
01-09-2005, 10:58 PM
My other one is pretty accurate to the manga...there are a couple flaws, but it's more a case of they fit the manga design than what is accurate. The pleats are likely gone from the hakama for simplicity's sake - no sane person would want to draw the pleats that many times. :D I will be putting the pleats into the hakama...that much I have decided. :D

Kendrian is probably most accurate to the design choice (which hadn't occured to me :D) Inuyasha is over 200 years old...and we know from the 3rd movie that his haori/top/whatever it actually is came from his father. So the clothing is nobility and very old. I'm back and forth on the bell sleeves or the rectangular sleeves.... While the rectangles would probably be more correct, would it look right in the end?

Yueyume
01-10-2005, 08:34 PM
=P His top, that hi nezumi haori thing, since it's made of fire rat's fur, I always think Inu-papa just killed some fire rat and wove the fur in... XD

But anyway... X3

Twin Star
01-10-2005, 10:33 PM
Inu-Yasha's clothes aren't all that accurate, believe me I've asked. Sesshoumaru's and Naraku's could be, but it's pushing it, and durring the time of the warring states, there were few mikos, and the clothes that Kikyou and Kaede wear are not correct for their true station, since most mikos durring this time were also fighting to survive while wars were waged, and few mikos were from wealthy families, if they were, they became nuns (since christianity was there for a time, and there were still followers). Miroku's garb is close, but it's still pushing it... ^^;; I'll have to ask my clan leader to make sure.


This is another site that i forgot to post last time, where the 'inu-yasha' question was asked:
http://tousando.proboards18.com/index.cgi

**making a small addition** ^^;; since i know this will get read more than an edit will.....

ok, before the european influence came in, Buddhists also had nuns, so that is also another possiblity. Also, one thing i noticed, later in the series, is that, if i remember correctly, one of the evil-seven-revived-people (( they have a name, but it eludes me right now )) had a knowledge of fire arms (( if not one of them, one of the random enimies the group faces does.... ^^;; )), which wasn't introduced until after the europeans arrived. Japan had fireworks, but not gun powder, per se, and definately didn't have any guns until trade began w/ europe. ^^;;; i know it's not exactly on topic, but i hope it helps. I've really learned alot from the Yahoo group, so if you want period clothes, there's no better place to go and ask.

InuPhoenix
01-10-2005, 11:06 PM
o0 lol soo many opinions lol. i agree the costumes are inbetween correct and fun to draw lol. kikyo and kaede's outfit are close. ive compared some of the drawings to some pictures and even some of the shinto miko sleeves are some-what bell shaped. but also if you played the game youll notice that inu's and everyone else (miroku, sango, shippo) there costumes ae more accurate, inu's bell sleeves are transformed into square sleeves lol ^^*.

also your right twin star. one of the shinintai (7 man group) was constructed out fo metal and fire arms but it was before the whole gun introduction o0 but he was more fo a mechanical run-over-the-people machine then a gunner, more or less the fireworks, if aimed at someone, can be deadly ne? so most likely it was more or less weak fireworks sense when they exploded there was alot of smoke.

^^*

dont know if this helps.

also PZB (luv the icon btw) type in hakama in google for you answer, ill look for some of my hakama reasearch and post it later maybe lol

PZB
01-10-2005, 11:57 PM
also your right twin star. one of the shinintai (7 man group) was constructed out fo metal and fire arms but it was before the whole gun introduction o0 but he was more fo a mechanical run-over-the-people machine then a gunner, more or less the fireworks, if aimed at someone, can be deadly ne? so most likely it was more or less weak fireworks sense when they exploded there was alot of smoke.

^^*

dont know if this helps.

also PZB (luv the icon btw) type in hakama in google for you answer, ill look for some of my hakama reasearch and post it later maybe lol

Actually, the one of the first eps with the Shininitai had a group of soliders pointing guns at Jakotsu....so they did have guns, they were just few and far between. Whether or not they're being accurate to period is another story entirely. XD My understanding is there was never really a year slated ... just a 500 years ago generalization...

InuPhoenix, thanks on the icon, btw. :D TwinStar, that link you gave was fantastic. Someone identified the clothing pieces (the top was what I was leaning toward...a suikan, which I'll have to modify slightly...that's going to be a tough pattern to find.) But the pants aren't technically hakama - they were IDed as Sashinuki, which is a 6 paneled hakama that's gathered at the ankle - again with the noblity bit. I have done some google searching for hakama...gonna try for the Sashinuki, but I'm not going to hold my breath. XD

kendrian
01-11-2005, 11:55 AM
Okay, guns were NOT introduced to Japan just from Western influence. They were brought from China. When the Portugese came in around the 1530's, they brought better technology for firearms, but the Japanes ehad primitive guns before them.

As for the costumes, Miroku is wearing treditional Monk garb. Perhaps, Twin Star, you are thinking like he is a Warrior Monk, and there for not dressed properly? But his garment is dead on and still exists today. It's just perhaps not whatr one would expect from a traveling monk. As for the Miko, I highly doubt that all Miko were in hiding during the Warring States period, but I will check up on it.

InuPhoenix
01-11-2005, 04:48 PM
grrrrrr oki now i cant find any of my hakama research >_< but i know sarcasm-hime's cosplay site has a pretty good idea of hakama

PZB
01-11-2005, 08:10 PM
I've seen a couple different hakama instructions on the web....the two main problems I've come across is either the directions aren't entirely clear or the pattern is designed for cosplay and shortcuts are taken. The best I've come across thus far has been - http://www.dementia.org/~djl/sca/japanese/patterns.html Takes reading through a couple times to get it (or maybe I was just really tired the first time XD)

InuPhoenix
01-11-2005, 08:41 PM
^^ good site, used that for my kikyo hakama (along with another 500 but thats besides the point lol ^^*)

R1KKu
01-11-2005, 10:11 PM
Dunno how accurate it is, but Ive used This (http://fibers.destinyslobster.com/Japanese/Clothes/japmake.htm) site quite a few times for hakamas and Im happy with the way they all turned out ^.^

Yueyume
01-12-2005, 01:22 AM
Okay, guns were NOT introduced to Japan just from Western influence. They were brought from China. When the Portugese came in around the 1530's, they brought better technology for firearms, but the Japanes ehad primitive guns before them.


*kinda OT but...*

Yep, for sure the Chinese invented gunpowder way before Europeans (before 1000 AD). They also made primitive guns, like kendrian said, and bombs, "fireworks" etc.

(Now back to your regularly scheduled program. *_*) Oh by the way, those are some good sites for references! Niiice.

Sarcasm-hime
01-12-2005, 02:06 AM
Dunno how accurate it is, but Ive used This (http://fibers.destinyslobster.com/Japanese/Clothes/japmake.htm) site quite a few times for hakamas and Im happy with the way they all turned out ^.^

The woman who runs that site does historical costuming so I'd imagine it's quite accurate. I really like that site and used the instructions for making a set of full heian court robes. ^_^

InuPhoenix
01-12-2005, 06:24 PM
that site was good also ^^ that woman does soo much ^^

sesshomaru guy
01-12-2005, 06:41 PM
i know somewhere where you can buy an inuyasha costume for about
100$-150$ heres the link if your intrested http://home.earthlink.net/~finalfantasymiko/index.html

hope i helped =]

sesshomaru guy

PZB
01-12-2005, 08:17 PM
That definitely is a good one...I'll probably be splicing it with the other (actually, i think they're about the same, though the second one has pictures....I like pictures XD)

As for buying it...heh...well, I do technically already have one. So I don't need to buy it, but there's just something about making your own. I've made my own stuff for so long, both cosplay and ren faire that I can't imagine buying a costume anymore. :D

InuPhoenix
01-12-2005, 08:33 PM
yea that is true, why buy something that you can make with the shiny sewing machine right over...there? ^~

PZB
01-12-2005, 10:10 PM
yea that is true, why buy something that you can make with the shiny sewing machine right over...there? ^~

And at a fraction of the cost. :D

InuPhoenix
01-13-2005, 03:35 PM
that is a definite ^^