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Kaijugal
01-24-2005, 01:58 AM
http://www.connobaka.com/

Not much info yet but here's the reply a query about the masqeurade prompted:

If you're planning to go to any Anime Convention on the November 25-27th
weekend this will be the one to attend ;-)

Cosplay, and therefore Masquerade related events in our first year will
be a little different than at typical Anime conventions. We'll be
updating information on this in our website over the next couple weeks,
so you will be able to see if this is something you'll enjoy.

As a little info up front we will have special photography area set up
for costumers, and cosplay that is a little more flexible, and more
relaxed, and more spread out over the convention than the usual
masquerade event.

As for prizes, we will start with dealers and programme book advertisers
providing half of their fees directly to convention prizes and work from
there with other revenue we'll have. Again, more detailed info will be
added to the Con no Baka website shortly.

Rest assured that we will have costuming prizes, as it is a huge part of
an Anime Convention, especially ours, even though Con no Baka will be a
little different than most.

Thanks,

The Con no Baka infodesk

rox_my_sox
01-24-2005, 05:36 AM
hhmm, not much info yet but its only January XD

Ochika
01-24-2005, 08:14 AM
ok now there are officiallly TOO many cons in toronto x_x

lainey
01-24-2005, 08:31 AM
ok now there are officiallly TOO many cons in toronto x_x

yeah but this looks cool since...isn't this organized by AN staff..if I'm not mistaken?

i'd rather go to this then december tac...

problem...the date is later on this year and I wouldn't know my schedule of tests and stuff until much later...so I can't confirm anything of course.

Unless the group discount date is after September (which I doubt) -_-

Kaijugal
01-24-2005, 11:36 AM
yeah but this looks cool since...isn't this organized by AN staff..if I'm not mistaken?


Close lainey. ^_^

The person who is the head of this con, (Aaron Yorganson), has been a very good and reliable Anime North staff member for many years. He is also a nice person. I have worked with him many times in the past and he has been most helpful. He has his own buisness and experience in working at a large con, I hope that is enough to get this off the ground for him.

My main worry is that it takes alot of staff to run a con of any magnitude. -_-" (God knows Anime North herself is chronically understaffed)

I think the time of year the con is one major thing in it's favor. It is much prefereable to the summer as the summer months are so saturdated with cons already.

I know I will personally be watching the development of the costume related events as a well run costuming track and events is of course the main reason myself and a majority of my friends attend conventions.

Cheers!

Sarcasm-hime
01-24-2005, 11:54 AM
I think there are too many cons in Toronto as well. And I'm dubious about how well a big fancy 3-day event is going to work on the first time out. But we'll see how it goes. :P

Michi
01-24-2005, 12:11 PM
o_o; Yeah, it's one thing to have a lot of cons in the same area... But almost every con in this area is in Toronto. It's getting to be a bit much. =/ There are plenty of other cities around. XD;

Kia
01-24-2005, 01:16 PM
o_o; Yeah, it's one thing to have a lot of cons in the same area... But almost every con in this area is in Toronto. It's getting to be a bit much. =/ There are plenty of other cities around. XD;
We keep saying that ... no one seems to listen ...

I can almost guarentee I'll be too busy with theatre shows at school and too broke from Con*Cept by that time, so I highly doubt there's enough to pull me to this con. Especially not at the same reg price as Anime North, almost $130 a night (after tax, even more), and nothing yet to prove that it would be worth it. But then again, I'm cynical, but everyone knows that by now. ^_^

Chibik3r0
01-24-2005, 01:16 PM
My Japanese isn't the greatest... But does that convention name translate to "Fool's/Idiot's Convention" or "Convention of fools/idiots"?

And why does Toronto need yet another convention? It seems we have one or some sort of big cosplay related event run by a convention/company every month this year in Toronto alone.

Kia
01-24-2005, 01:18 PM
My Japanese isn't the greatest... But does that convention name translate to "Fool's/Idiot's Convention" or "Convention of fools/idiots"?

And why does Toronto need yet another convention? It seems we have one or some sort of big cosplay related event run by a convention/company every month this year in Toronto alone.
I think some have taken to calling it StupidCon, or MORcON. The name is their own fault.

But I think the actual meaning is ment to insinuate that it's a con full of silliness and fun ... yeah ... sure ...

Amy the Yu
01-24-2005, 01:43 PM
I think some have taken to calling it StupidCon, or MORcON. The name is their own fault.

And on the note of the new name of "MORcON" (which I will now refer to it as), I'd like to recite a poem.

"I wish I were a moron,
A moron wouldn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron,
My GOD I think I AM!!"

And on another non-poetry recital note, as Kaijugal stated already, I'm thankful that at least this one isn't stuck in the summer which, even for con season, is WAY too overrun with cons now.

I personally would have prefered a smaller not-so-3-day-full-sized con, so that I can "test the waters" as a con go-er. Even though I'm terribly addicted to any anime related events, I'm still not sure I'm willing to pay almost the same cost for registration for this as for AN, which is a well loved, well established and well attended con.

Having to decide by May for best admission price is also a major turn off. I have the same issues (as do many many students) as Lainey with schedule and stuff. Late November may be good for people who are feeling con-deprived at that time of year, but it's cutting it close with the beginning of final exams for most university/college students.

hikarilight
01-24-2005, 04:54 PM
Wow... another con popped up, is this the year or what XD

I'm glad that this con is not in the summer since a lot of them are and well, being broke very quickly kind of sucks. I think the pre-reg is pretty soon as well, not sure how my schedule will be like this coming fall, first year university then *sighs*

I might be interested but having three days for a first con is pretty outrageousish? As well as it being the same price for AN. Well, still lots of time to decide~

ikegami
01-24-2005, 05:10 PM
My Japanese isn't the greatest... But does that convention name translate to "Fool's/Idiot's Convention" or "Convention of fools/idiots"?

"Fool's/Idiot's Convention" means "Convention attended by fools/idiots".
"Convention of fools/idiots" means "Convention whose attendees are fools/idiots".

Is there really a difference?

Chibik3r0
01-24-2005, 05:47 PM
"Fool's/Idiot's Convention" means "Convention attended by fools/idiots".
"Convention of fools/idiots" means "Convention whose attendees are fools/idiots".

Is there really a difference?

Eerrr... There wasn't intended to be a difference ^_^ I didn't do it in a sense as to which was more "politically correct" so to speak, but on which way you decide to translate it because both are viable translations for ConNoBaka, aren't they?

lainey
01-24-2005, 06:47 PM
And I'm dubious about how well a big fancy 3-day event is going to work on the first time out. But we'll see how it goes. :P
^fully agreed! A new convention..running for three days? O_o wow! I applaud the founders willingness to get into this, and you know, I don't doubt their abilities, but I am constantly reminded that even AN started out as a 1 or 2 day con I believe.


I have the same issues (as do many many students) as Lainey with schedule and stuff. Late November may be good for people who are feeling con-deprived at that time of year, but it's cutting it close with the beginning of final exams for most university/college students.
^^Yes...since it is close to exams...I'd be lucky to even attend for one day!

Once again, I am all for the idea, whether or not I can actually attend is another story.

Edgar Strife
01-24-2005, 06:49 PM
Hum................another convention going on? That was fast, I wasn't expecting another Con going on. So how many cons are there? Lets see, there's March TAC, Anime North, Garden City Anime Festival , CN Anime, Con No Baka and December TAC. [I think that's in order.] So I guess there's 6 of them so far. [Unless there's more that I didn't mention] and the only Con that I been to were AN, CN Anime and D TAC. On the other hand, this Con No Baka could be an interesting convention.

Katsuyuki_Shiro
01-24-2005, 06:57 PM
Hum................another convention going on? That was fast, I wasn't expecting another Con going on. So how many cons are there? Lets see, there's March TAC, Anime North, Garden City Anime Festival , CN Anime, Con No Baka and December TAC. [I think that's in order.] So I guess there's 6 of them so far. [Unless there's more that I didn't mention] and the only Con that I been to were AN, CN Anime and D TAC. On the other hand, this Con No Baka could be an interesting convention.

There's NAF too ^^

Edgar Strife
01-24-2005, 07:08 PM
There's NAF too ^^

Ok, I guess I must havemiss one so that makes 7 of them right? [Unless there's more] And thanks for telling me Katsuyuki_Shiro. By the way, what does NAF stand for?

Ochika
01-24-2005, 07:29 PM
Northern Anime festival *nod nod* and dont forget it....or ill have to carve your eyes out with a spoon ^_^v

Straywind
01-24-2005, 07:34 PM
Ok, I guess I must havemiss one so that makes 7 of them right? [Unless there's more] And thanks for telling me Katsuyuki_Shiro. By the way, what does NAF stand for?

To a lesser extent you can also include Ad-Astra and Toronto Trek as cons that attract quite a few Anime fans.

I agree that Toronto has really become Anime con saturated. It's great to always have events to look forward to (considering just a few years ago we only had two major Anime conventions). Now with 7 - 9 cons a year, it becomes a bit much for most of us to handle in terms of scheduling and money. I'm fairly sure I'll be going to this con, but as others have previously stated, it comes @ a precarious time for university students. I think it's a bit better than DTAC last year, but it is three days versus just one. Oh well, I'm hoping my university schedule will allow me to go to this con and I look forward to checking it out. (^_^)

Michi
01-24-2005, 08:00 PM
Eerrr... There wasn't intended to be a difference ^_^ I didn't do it in a sense as to which was more "politically correct" so to speak, but on which way you decide to translate it because both are viable translations for ConNoBaka, aren't they?

"Idiot's Con" would be more like "Baka no Con".. @_o "Con no Baka" is really just like.. Idiot Con.. Stupid Con.. ^^; It's referring to the con itself. XD; But I guess it can be translated as "Con of Idiots" too. x_X

Whose idea was it to name that con anyway? :thumbsup:

archangeli
01-25-2005, 11:46 PM
^fully agreed! A new convention..running for three days? O_o wow! I applaud the founders willingness to get into this, and you know, I don't doubt their abilities, but I am constantly reminded that even AN started out as a 1 or 2 day con I believe.


Historically some first year 3-day cons have been quite successful - case and point Anime Boston and Anime Evolution (Vancouver, BC). BUT - and it's a big but - they were also first year cons in areas that had previously never had an anime convention in the vicinity. There are SO many in the GTA now that it is getting to be ridiculous.

And since November is a very busy time it's hard to guess if I'll be able to attend.

Kaijugal
01-26-2005, 08:22 AM
The Con No Baka website has been updated HERE. (http://www.connobaka.com/)

Here below is the Cosplay Specific update information:


Cosplay

While Con No Baka: the 1st will not be hosting an official masquerade, we will have a photographic area with professional backdrops and lighting. We will have a contest and prizes for hall costumes and smaller events spread across the convention. This will allow cosplayers to set more of their own rules for creating their events. We'll be happy to work with the cosplay community and will be adding more information soon. Cosplayers and others who are interested can contact cosplay@connobaka.com for more information.

Since the cosplay events above are part of the convention, those cosplayers involved will be considered as volunteers or con staff (depending on the work they do) for purposes of receiving refunds of part or all of a convention membership and more. Check back soon for details.

Kia
01-26-2005, 08:58 AM
The Con No Baka website has been updated HERE. (http://www.connobaka.com/)

Here below is the Cosplay Specific update information:


Cosplay

Since the cosplay events above are part of the convention, those cosplayers involved will be considered as volunteers or con staff (depending on the work they do) for purposes of receiving refunds of part or all of a convention membership and more. Check back soon for details.

But doing that would probably end up with most of the cosplayers claiming to be "volunteers" ... and no one would pay, and they would loose revenue ... I'm just so confused by this whole thing ...

Mekou
01-26-2005, 09:14 AM
I assume that they mean the cosplayers who actually help run it or something like that. It /would/ be kinda dumb if they meant that ALL cosplayers involved (those who run it and those in it. <_<)

Danners
01-26-2005, 11:11 AM
This con is somewhat intriguing. Even though Toronto seems to be getting more and more cons, I'm finding them to be a little lacking. CNAnime to me isn't much of an anime con, since it's often feels like it's just tacked on to the other three cons. I personally didn't even go to CNAnime this past year because I just didn't find it worth the money.

However, if this con can pull it off, it may be a fun one to attend, especially if they can deliver all the fun stuff their website's promising.

Kia
01-26-2005, 11:17 AM
Dealers and programme book advertisers are encouraged to provide 1/2 their fees to gift certificates for prizes to be handed out Con No Baka.

Indeed ... I wonder how the dealers feel about this ...

Chibik3r0
01-26-2005, 11:30 AM
Hmm... After checking out the website and reading things like this: "Room parties are a major part of conventions in other areas of fandom. They are an opportunity for clubs, organizations, conventions and others to promote what they are doing and meet new friends. Con No Baka will be offering membership refunds for those holding parties at the convention, as well as a contest to see who holds the best party. Stay tuned for details about this contest, info on running room parties and hotel policy on room parties."

gives me the impression they may be aiming for an older crowd. I'm sure the hotel would appreciate these parties>_>

And: "Our guests won't be big names, but they will offer you a different perspective on anime, gaming and related media and industries." which does tend to be somewhat of a big draw for some North American cons, although it may be interesting to see who they end up with.

Also, the lack of a masquerade, something I always look forward to at, conventions makes me a bit wary...

Personally, I don't think I'm going to be attending this convention unless there's something that really catches my eye announced in the near future. My planned con schedule already seems busy enough this year >_<

Kia
01-26-2005, 12:07 PM
I think they know right off the bat that they won't be able to attract anyone to run their masquerade (lord knows there's hardly anyone willing to run the ones we have right now!), so they're planning ahead and not having one at all. And I agree about the room parties. If the parents of most minors (who are probably the majority at most anime cons) knew what went on at room parties, they wouldn't allow them to go.

heki-chan
01-26-2005, 12:47 PM
From the website, the con sounds like it'll be interesting and even a lot of fun...

So....I'll wait and see ^____^

Sarcasm-hime
01-26-2005, 01:00 PM
I don't know, the main impression I'm getting is that "we don't have the people or the money to run big events, so we're just going to let you entertain yourself and make your own fun", all packaged up as "it's different and unique!" to make it sound interesting. Which begs the question, why should I pay an admission fee to entertain myself? I don't really see anything different or unique so far.

"Con No Baka is a new anime/gaming convention, -- a more interactive con, run by fans, for fans like you" What does that mean? How is it more 'interactive' than fan-run conventions like AN and TT?

Plus I agree that targeting room parties at anime fans, which are mostly minors, isn't the greatest idea.

Schubuttercup
01-26-2005, 02:43 PM
O_o............................................... ..

Another one!?

By god I'm gonna be broke >.< Oh wait I'm already broke x.x; I guess..2005 is the year of new cons...in Canada..though I think there really needs some spacing people.. Maybe one in Northern Ontario..like North Bay or Subuary or..Thunder Bay ya know.

Danners
01-26-2005, 02:49 PM
Dealers and programme book advertisers are encouraged to provide 1/2 their fees to gift certificates for prizes to be handed out Con No Baka.

Indeed ... I wonder how the dealers feel about this ...


For the dealers it's a win win situation. By having half their admission be handed out as coupons, people who win the coupons will be using them at the corresponding dealer. Now, if you win a $20 coupon, you go and redeem it on a $40 DVD. That dealer just made $20 back from their admission to the con since it was spent at their booth. If that person doesn't ever redeem the coupon, the dealer STILL makes back $20 because if they had to provide their booth in cash only, that $20 would have been lost as money instead as a coupon.

The only one's that sorta lose out are the con hosts since they're giving out those coupons instead of getting the money from the dealers. But as it stands, if you want to attract dealers to a new con, it's a very smart move by going with the coupons. And of course, having lots of coupons given out as prizes is certainly a BIG plus for fans because they save money (or spend more then they wanted, depending on how you look at it :D)

Amy the Yu
01-26-2005, 04:50 PM
The only one's that sorta lose out are the con hosts since they're giving out those coupons instead of getting the money from the dealers.

I think it's agreed upon that the people running the con are basically slowly setting themselves up to lose money. O.o

The more I hear about the "activities and events" the more I agree w/ Sarcasm's response about how they're basically telling us to make our own fun.

That and the 'cosplayers helping out getting reimbursed' idea just kinda makes me think it's like a giant gathering of all the smaller gatherings/photoshoots that people in the GTA do anyway (ie. cosplay bowling, P Mall trips, Kariya Park photoshoots, etc), but they want us to pay them to use the space they provide. That doesn't seem a very good idea unless they're just trying to attract those who are too shy/timid to go running around joining random unoffical events around town. =/

Schubuttercup
01-26-2005, 06:22 PM
"Idiot's Con" would be more like "Baka no Con".. @_o "Con no Baka" is really just like.. Idiot Con.. Stupid Con.. ^^; It's referring to the con itself. XD; But I guess it can be translated as "Con of Idiots" too. x_X

Whose idea was it to name that con anyway?

Well if there going for a Japanese name it would be either Con of Idiots, Con of Morons or Con of Stupid. In Japanese 'no' is usually 'of' so..... yeah.

I don't know if I'll be going to this cause I have MTAC, AN, GCAF, NAF, CNanime and some American cons booked for..I also think it's too close to christmas, it's why I don't go to DTAC. I also think...I agree it's for a more older fanbase and the only thing I love about the site is the cute mascott. Kawaii desu-nai!

Scoti
01-29-2005, 09:45 PM
Unless I hear of some super-good-great-you-have-to-go-next-year-or-you'll-kick-yourself! review I have no plans on going...3-day cons during the school year puts me off and the name puts me off.

Nagii
01-31-2005, 10:11 PM
All I have to say is ..................o_O;

Eleryth
01-31-2005, 11:18 PM
I must admit, I did laugh at the name, but I really shouldn't, since I was a member of B.A.K.A. for years.... [Banzai Anime Klub of Alberta] :thumbsup:

It's not like I can go anyway. Do be sure to let us know how it goes, those of you that will attend.

Cazeson_Zear
02-01-2005, 12:23 PM
Thanks for tellnig me now Nov, gone, But whatever i might attend next year.

Oselle
02-01-2005, 01:16 PM
Thanks for tellnig me now Nov, gone, But whatever i might attend next year.

2005 (i.e. this coming November) will be the first year for this con. You haven't missed it.

jiyoon
02-02-2005, 12:54 PM
@ _@ Ack.

The thing is... my friends and I are running our own convention in Richmond Hill (suburbs)... we've secured a large community centre and we're working on setting up a convention for April @ _@...

Problem is, if there are so many conventions already, if anyone would really attend ours, cos we're working really hard on it already. We've gotten sponsor letters prepared and letters for dealers and artists as well!

I can't divulge too many details yet, but our convention is planned to be held on Saturday April 16, from 10 am until about 9 pm...

We're working on making it as good as it can possibly be, because we're huge fans of anime, we've loved it for a long time, and we wanna share that love with everyone ^-^

We're planning on having a large number of rooms for gaming, viewing, exhibitions, and panels. We're also planning a fashion show, which is almost like the masquerade, but except you just strut down a catwalk. We're planning skit competitions, choreography competitions, and a dance at the end of it all! @ _@

Sounds ambitious, eh?

^-^

*-Hinata

Amy the Yu
02-02-2005, 01:21 PM
@ _@ Ack.

The thing is... my friends and I are running our own convention in Richmond Hill (suburbs)... we've secured a large community centre and we're working on setting up a convention for April @ _@...

IMHO, there are too many cons in and around the summer months now. Way WAAAAAY too many cons.

You guys should keep it small cause another large 3 day con...just isn't going to take, not in this area anyway.

I have to say, unless you're bringing something new and special to the scene, not too many people may be willing to travel up, especially considering RH isn't considered terribly convenient for most people in the GTA, and I doubt that many will come travelling from far away to attend a new con.

Sarcasm-hime
02-02-2005, 02:00 PM
@ _@ Ack.

The thing is... my friends and I are running our own convention in Richmond Hill (suburbs)... we've secured a large community centre and we're working on setting up a convention for April @ _@...

Problem is, if there are so many conventions already, if anyone would really attend ours, cos we're working really hard on it already. We've gotten sponsor letters prepared and letters for dealers and artists as well!

I can't divulge too many details yet, but our convention is planned to be held on Saturday April 16, from 10 am until about 9 pm...

We're working on making it as good as it can possibly be, because we're huge fans of anime, we've loved it for a long time, and we wanna share that love with everyone ^-^

We're planning on having a large number of rooms for gaming, viewing, exhibitions, and panels. We're also planning a fashion show, which is almost like the masquerade, but except you just strut down a catwalk. We're planning skit competitions, choreography competitions, and a dance at the end of it all! @ _@

Sounds ambitious, eh?

^-^

*-Hinata

I commend you on your ambition and commitment, but if I may ask, WHY do you feel you need to start another convention? As has been mentioned a number of times here, Toronto already has TOO MANY anime cons. Having so many conventions is just going to hurt the entire community as the fanbase will be split so NO convention will be really successful. Frankly........do we really need an anime event on every weekend of the year? Coz we're kind of getting to that point, and it's ridiculous.

If you're so enthusiastic about anime and want to share that love with everyone, why not help out at an existing convention? Anime North, for example, keeps growing faster than the staff can keep up with and we're DESPERATE for enthusiastic, committed people to help run it. ^_^

Chibik3r0
02-02-2005, 02:10 PM
Sorry if this post offends anyone and isn't meant to be a direct attack on anyone in particular, but the number of cons appearing lately has been ridiculous and I'm beginning to fear some sort of backlack against anime cons in the GTA if this continues. Or at least, a thinning of crowds among the power-cons like Anime North and CNAnime. If everyone keeps creating their own mini one or two day cons or even try a three day con on their first year, people may not be able to afford to attend all of these different cons and as a result, the big cons may suffer.

There are other ways to be big fans of anime and not have to start your own convention. I consider myself a rather big fan of anime and am quite content commuting to different locations to support the bigger cons. Granted, I'm on the older side of the cosplay community among Toronto, but I'm sure some of the other 'older' people can agree with me.

Now in GTA/Southern Ontario, specifically focusing on anime we have: March TAC, Anime North, Garden City Anime Festival, Northern Anime Festival, CNAnime, Con No Baka, and December TAC. On top of that, we have the newly established Anime North Valentine's and Halloween Dances (which aren't really a con, but are still something people want to attend and need to budget for). Add to this all the one day events/photoshoots we plan and it gets a bit overwhelming, especially on our wallets.

There are other ways to show your fandom that running your own convention. Lots of people have mentioned Anime North needs volunteer help. Instead of creating 37508151 cons in one city (as spread out as Toronto and the GTA is), why not focus our attention on one or two conventions to try and improve what we already have? I do realize not everyone can make it to Toronto for every... single... convention... But no one's asking you to do that. The solution isn't to open a convention in your own city because not everyone can make it to every other city in Toronto and the surrounding area.

Cazeson_Zear
02-02-2005, 02:43 PM
2005 (i.e. this coming November) will be the first year for this con. You haven't missed it.

WOOT!!! Good to no. :thumbsup: (I type to fast, for my own good)

Kia
02-02-2005, 02:47 PM
I'd like to point in the direction of this thread: http://forums.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=48488 Eveything I have to say on this subject is there.

I also find it interesting that we were discussing this back in November, long before ConNoBaka turned up. I guess some people don't listen ...

jiyoon
02-02-2005, 05:07 PM
^-^ As I wrote in the other thread, our con is a private convention. It's for my high school, because we have over 2000 people in our school. Most of them want to hold this convention because they can't make it to AN or CN or any of the other conventions. Plus, the Richmond Hill area is the most convenient for them. It's not a huge one. It's only one day, and all we're looking for is to break even. We're charging about $5-10 per person, depending on how much money we need. The mayor's being really nice and he's going to fund a significant part of this private convention.

Eleryth
02-02-2005, 07:12 PM
If it's private, why did you advertise it in the threads?

Or can anyone go even if they're not from your high school? If that's the case, then it's not private.

Nagii
02-02-2005, 11:06 PM
Sorry if this post offends anyone and isn't meant to be a direct attack on anyone in particular, but the number of cons appearing lately has been ridiculous and I'm beginning to fear some sort of backlack against anime cons in the GTA if this continues. Or at least, a thinning of crowds among the power-cons like Anime North and CNAnime. If everyone keeps creating their own mini one or two day cons or even try a three day con on their first year, people may not be able to afford to attend all of these different cons and as a result, the big cons may suffer.

There are other ways to be big fans of anime and not have to start your own convention. I consider myself a rather big fan of anime and am quite content commuting to different locations to support the bigger cons. Granted, I'm on the older side of the cosplay community among Toronto, but I'm sure some of the other 'older' people can agree with me.

Now in GTA/Southern Ontario, specifically focusing on anime we have: March TAC, Anime North, Garden City Anime Festival, Northern Anime Festival, CNAnime, Con No Baka, and December TAC. On top of that, we have the newly established Anime North Valentine's and Halloween Dances (which aren't really a con, but are still something people want to attend and need to budget for). Add to this all the one day events/photoshoots we plan and it gets a bit overwhelming, especially on our wallets.

There are other ways to show your fandom that running your own convention. Lots of people have mentioned Anime North needs volunteer help. Instead of creating 37508151 cons in one city (as spread out as Toronto and the GTA is), why not focus our attention on one or two conventions to try and improve what we already have? I do realize not everyone can make it to Toronto for every... single... convention... But no one's asking you to do that. The solution isn't to open a convention in your own city because not everyone can make it to every other city in Toronto and the surrounding area.

That kinda ties in with the 'Too many cons, not enough money' thread that Kitchen started about 3 months ago. I have to agree with alot of you there are way to many con's in Toronto and with what ON has right now..it should be done with. The only people who might want or need con's are western canada....NOW..

DO NOT (western canadians) GET THE IDEA TO CREATE 38483938 CONS THERE....it was just a point.

^-^ As I wrote in the other thread, our con is a private convention. It's for my high school, because we have over 2000 people in our school. Most of them want to hold this convention because they can't make it to AN or CN or any of the other conventions. Plus, the Richmond Hill area is the most convenient for them. It's not a huge one. It's only one day, and all we're looking for is to break even. We're charging about $5-10 per person, depending on how much money we need. The mayor's being really nice and he's going to fund a significant part of this private convention.

Lucky..our mayor is an old fart, during our presentation to him he was supiscous about it cause it deals with anime and no matter how many times we explained it he was just clueless and well..whatever he's a man of money, if he sees the money, he will care. He's just one of those peoples.
Even though the city gave us a $500 grant. >.< old peoples.

ANYWAYS, I don't know if I will go to this con, I will be starting college that year and with Grape and Wine and whatnot it might be just abit busy, but I will try.

Amy the Yu
02-03-2005, 01:55 AM
The only people who might want or need con's are western canada....NOW..

DO NOT (western canadians) GET THE IDEA TO CREATE 38483938 CONS THERE....it was just a point.

I hear the midwest USA could use a few more too. There are SEVERAL states down there who have anime fans with no where to go. Hm...maybe we can export some. XD

lainey
02-07-2005, 05:22 PM
I just wonder if they plan on selling day tickets...since I live like 3 minutes from Con No Baka (that also means I live 3 minutes from Anime North and Toronto Trek locations hahaha), so I might just walk in to check it out for a day and give it a chance...

But if they force me to get the all weekend pass...they have lost me =p

ikegami
02-07-2005, 08:38 PM
*stupid message deleted*

jiyoon
02-08-2005, 10:48 AM
@ _@ I don't know too much about the con thing... All I know is that not everyone can attend it, because it's by invitation only~ @ _@ I don't decide who can go and who can't~

Konrad-Chan
02-14-2005, 02:46 PM
I don't think it's really possible to have too many cons in Toronto, as since the market for the bigger cons isn't being diluted all it means is that there's more conventions to attend given that people have the time.

I suspect most cons are in TO for strictly financial reasons, and because I think Cosplay is more of an urban thing. I mean, there's hardly any interest in the Maritimes, for example. That's not to say everybody shouldn't be involved, as I don't come from Toronto or anywhere remarkably close, however I think due to the convenience and the diversity of artistic and cultural influences, Cosplay is more popular in Toronto and surrounding area than anywhere else in Canada, per capita even.

Kia
02-14-2005, 03:03 PM
... and because I think Cosplay is more of an urban thing. I mean, there's hardly any interest in the Maritimes, for example. That's not to say everybody shouldn't be involved, as I don't come from Toronto or anywhere remarkably close, however I think due to the convenience and the diversity of artistic and cultural influences, Cosplay is more popular in Toronto and surrounding area than anywhere else in Canada, per capita even.

Do you know this for a fact? There is actually an anime con out on the east coast. And a fairly big one on the west coast. And even ones inbetween. People who don't live in giant urban areas like Toronto and most places in southern Ontario don't have the options that we, who live here, do. Generally, the less urban the area, the more spread out people, houses, and forms of transportation are.

Toronto is the largest city in Canada, all that means is that we have a larger concentration of anime fans in one location. I've never been to either coast, I couldn't say how many people there are, but I would figure that the ratio of anime fans out there is the same as we have here, they're just more wide spread and less concentrated. I would say that the interest is there. Those of us in Southern Ontario just make a very large, very roudy mob, and when fans from other areas aren't as loud or as roudy as us, its easy to overlook the rampant fandom in other parts of our own country.

... if that made no sense, sorry, I haven't eaten yet ...

Konrad-Chan
02-14-2005, 03:48 PM
It's easy to overlook that because there's concentrated base of anime fans in Southern Ontario attention is given to them and events are held for them, which is perhaps the best promotion anime itself can receive within a given area. In Toronto, where you can buy endless amounts of anime for varying prices and attend exciting events with hundreds of other fans, it actually grows the interest in anime.

However, if you live in Fredericton, for example, where few people talk about anime (or even know what it is) and there is never fan gatherings or an availability of non-YTV anime this vicious cycle begins whereby urban areas get all of the major events and such and therefore popularity of anime goes up there, with rural areas trailing quite a bit.

Vancouver is a big city and has such strong Asian cultural influences...it's no surprise there's a large convention there. Anime is accessible, and there are events. And yes, there is a slight interest in Anime on the East Coast, (as I've witnessed in my travels), but not nearly as much as here.

Kia
02-14-2005, 06:27 PM
http://www.animaritime.mtaanime.org/ <- Proof of an anime convention in New Brunswick.

There are fans. They do get together and organize things, otherwise they wouldn't have started their own con. And if they get their anime they way most people I know do, a la methods we're not allowed to discuss on this forum, then they can get things just as easily as the rest if us. No, their probably arn't nearly as many places for them to purchase things (though, if anyone is ever looking for a directory of places to purchase anime in their province, go here: http://www.riwasa.com/shopping/index.htm), but there are always ways of getting around that. Hence why the internet is such a wonderful thing.

Basically, I disagree with you that there arn't any anime fans out in the east coast, or with the idea that few people know what anime is. The rural areas might not have the advantages that those of us un urban areas have, but they're not as out of the loop as you may think they are (having spent most of the summers of my childhood raised in Durham, Ontario on a farm). If someone has a tv and/or the internet there's no reason why anyone should be on a different scale than anyone else.

Amy the Yu
02-14-2005, 06:38 PM
It's easy to overlook that because there's concentrated base of anime fans in Southern Ontario attention is given to them and events are held for them, which is perhaps the best promotion anime itself can receive within a given area. In Toronto, where you can buy endless amounts of anime for varying prices and attend exciting events with hundreds of other fans, it actually grows the interest in anime.

There are more fans here simply due to Southern Ontario having a large population.

Even with a large fanbase, the con going crowd around these parts for the "smaller" cons (which is everything but AN and CN) is often almost the same people. The money issue won't affect everyone in this crowd, but with so many in one area, many will be.

The major concern that people have for so many new cons popping up is the resources being spread thin, and by resources I mean the staff to run the con and the volunteers to help them out.

Stupid anaolgy time!

If you own say...a bunny farm. To start with it's just you (experienced con staff), who's had rabbits (cute furry anime cons) all your life, raising your two rabbits, conveniently (and pathetically) named AN and CN.

You have lots of experience raising rabbits, so AN and CN have it made. Food, grooming, everything is taken care of.

Now, say suddenly one day, you find out that the two supposedly female bunnies was in fact, one male and one female, and without you realizing, they had mated and now CN's had a batch of new little bunnies (conveniently named DTAC and MTAC).

You decide, 'meh. I've raised more rabbits than this before, so no problem, I can take care of them.' and start to work twice as hard to raise all 4 bunnies as well as you can.

One day, you come home to find that one of the females gave birth to two more bunnies. This time named NAF and GCAF.

Now, 6 bunnies is a bit much for you to manage. Just too much work, so you go and hire your friend (newbie con staff) to help you raise the bunnies, but your friend's never had bunnies before, but he's sure to try his damn best.

You give him the two new bunnies to raise while you continue to look after the other 4 bunnies.

Suddenly, the food cost (equivalent of the convention go-ers) is starting to soar due to the extra bunnies, and it's really expensive, so you decide "they could lose a bit of weight" and reduce their feed by a tiny bit.

It's no big deal, the bunnies can get by. Then one day, your friend comes running to you saying that yet ANOTHER bunny was born. This time named Baka. Your friend could barely handle 2, so you decide that you'd try raising Baka along with AN, CN, DTAC and MTAC.

The other 4 are starting to get really big (increase in con size) and need more food to eat, but you only have so much, and with Baka now, there's not enough food to go around, and they all end up suffering cause there are just too much bunnies.

*end stupid analogy*

The moral of the story, bunnies are cute, but the one from Monty Python still gives me nightmares...

Kurai Deux
02-14-2005, 06:57 PM
hahahaha oh gawd, Amy, you are TOO funny XD But I agree, and that is THE perfect analogy...ohh man *wipes tear* XP

StrawberryDuo
02-14-2005, 07:14 PM
I won't be attending this because it seems stupid to me. I also think that last few posts should of been in the Too Many Con's thread and I think there is never enough cons...we need more good cons...one good con isn't gonna do it for me.

Sarcasm-hime
02-14-2005, 09:33 PM
The moral of the story, bunnies are cute, but the one from Monty Python still gives me nightmares...

ROFL! Awesome, Amy. XD

*bunnies yay!*....but yeah, too many bunnies (and cons) is a bad thing. hee hee.

Konrad-Chan
02-14-2005, 09:41 PM
http://www.animaritime.mtaanime.org/ <- Proof of an anime convention in New Brunswick.

I went to this when I was staying in Frederiction, it was quite a bit smaller than a CTRL-A meeting.

There are fans. They do get together and organize things, otherwise they wouldn't have started their own con. And if they get their anime they way most people I know do, a la methods we're not allowed to discuss on this forum, then they can get things just as easily as the rest if us.

Actually, you'd think you'd be more correct about this given how well-connected to the Internet New Brunswick and much of the East Coast is (it was an interprovincial campaign a few years ago to get connected), however most people don't download very much anime. Part of that's just due to the general lack of interest in anime, which is really only a lack of interest in the most relative sense.

but there are always ways of getting around that. Hence why the internet is such a wonderful thing.

Those kind of simplistic generalizations need not apply. In Southern Ontario, the interest for Anime is expanded upon and even compounded greatly by the widespread enthusiasm for anime-related events, clubs, etc. However, people on the East Coast (and I would venture to say much of rural Canada), simply suffer from a lack of exposure to these kind of organized fan events. Many people I talk to from Toronto have high schools with Anime clubs and have several friends interested enough in Anime to lecture them about it's merits. We don't even have these kinds of things in Guelph, let alone Fredericton or St. John.

What I'm saying is that the condensed fan base in Toronto in turn helps to arouse interest and create new fans, which creates a cycle of sorts. Out east there is no condensed fan base, meaning people sparsely hear of anime-related events. Many of them get away with hardly ever knowing what it is, whereas virtually everyone of my generation in Southern Ontario knows. As my cousin Tara in Fredericton said "Anime? Is that like those Chinese cartoon things?" At the risk of seeming stereotypical, this is something you see much more often out east than here.

P.S. There is a small Anime Club in Bathurst, though (It's got a dozen people).

Basically, I disagree with you that there arn't any anime fans out in the east coast, or with the idea that few people know what anime is.

1. I never said there were no anime fans on the East Coast, there just isn't that many by comparison, even per capita (disregarding sheer numbers).

2. Having lived there for a big part of my life, let me say very few people actually know what Anime is.

If someone has a tv and/or the internet there's no reason why anyone should be on a different scale than anyone else.

Actually, that's a complete oversimplification. Certain things are cultural. A lot of people do them, so more people start to do them, then they start to become associated with that area. That's like saying people in any northern country should be good at hockey as long as they have skates and a rink, to be honest. In rural areas (New Brunswick, for example) people recieve virtually no exposure to anime, regardless of the few programs shown on YTV, and have few friends to get them interested. These things can gradually change, but in comparison to inner-city Toronto there simply is not the same level of interest for anime-related things.

As for the amount of cons there should be, I just ask for there to be more. As long as the fan base is not being diluted, it's just a matter of having more things to do on weekends. If you're not interested in that convention, just don't go. There's really no reason to complain, since the casuals just go to CN and AN and the hardcores attend anything new that comes up. It's only a sign of a healthy, growing anime community.

Anyway, no offense intended...I think you're correct to about TV and the Internet to a certain degree, however there are much more complicated factors that have to do with the interest in anime in a region. I try not to be too much a cynic, just a realist. ^^

Amy the Yu
02-14-2005, 09:59 PM
I went to this when I was staying in Frederiction, it was quite a bit smaller than a CTRL-A meeting.

Just to clarify. Being a CTRL-A officer, I'd like to say that it's not quite fair to compare any small scale con with this particular anime club. Even at it's current "emptiness", CTRL-A still runs at about 200 members. That's about the size of the turn out for a starting out anime convention even in a large city...sometimes bigger than said cons.

In lesser populated areas, a turn out of even over 100 people would be considered successful for a con simply because there aren't as many people as you'd find in a city like Toronto (which is one of the largest cities in North America).

Anime North and CN Anime landing 4th and 8th largest anime con/expo (Kaijugal, I'm learning! =D) in North America in 2004 means that any anime fan from these parts (or have gone to those) may likely be easily mislead to believe that all conventions should have attendance in the thousands just because we have that here. Most conventions may never reach such high counts, but that has nothing to do with how popular anime is in that region, it may simply mean that the population isn't as large.

As for you having lived there for part of your life, that has nothing to do with it. Not unless you still live there now.

3 years ago, even in Toronto anime was not as popular, so saying that in past years, anime was not as popular on the east coast as it is popular here NOW, is just an unreasonable comparison.

Oselle
02-15-2005, 08:49 AM
As long as the fan base is not being diluted, it's just a matter of having more things to do on weekends. If you're not interested in that convention, just don't go. There's really no reason to complain, since the casuals just go to CN and AN and the hardcores attend anything new that comes up. It's only a sign of a healthy, growing anime community.

Can you please clarify what you mean by the fan base being "diluted"? And why you seem to regard this in a negative light?

And I may as well (re?)-state my opinion...I go for quality over quantity when it comes to conventions. To me, cons are a special treat of sorts, something I plan for and invest a great deal of time, energy, and money in. It's not just
"something to do on the weekend." And I think there is a very real danger of resources, particularly volunteer resources, being stretched too thin in the GTA con circuit.

I have no interest in attending Con no Baka (or any of the TACs, but those are corporate events as opposed to fan-run, so my disinterest is on a completely different level! XP), and I wonder if there is a real niche that CnB is filling in local fandom. Time will tell, I guess (I've been proved wrong before, but that doesn't stop me from being cautious). I can't imagine a major convention being booked and fired up without having at least some of the resources in place, but it's still one bunny too many for me. :thumbsup:

Schubuttercup
02-15-2005, 04:07 PM
Is this not spam? Since it's not on topic?

Kia
02-15-2005, 05:57 PM
Is this not spam? Since it's not on topic?
I disagree. Yes, it's off topic (which I apologize for), but I don't think its spam. Unfortunately things have bled from one thread to another, especially considering ConNoBaka ties in directly with previous discussions in other threads about the number of cons in the GTA, so some of it is still relevant to this topic.

TamaraMacDonald
02-16-2005, 08:52 AM
Whilst I wait for my transport for a meeting- thought i would share the following.

I would love to set up other cons in other area but the reality of it is a) a site that is large enough and cost effective with the hotel rooms to back it up b) mobility for people who do not live in that particular city. Hamilton is a great example on why we do not have it here, because of those two things.


First time 3 day con examples of AE and AB are not really first year cons.

AE had help (through me and others) and staff that were experienced in cons from other cons, same thing as AB. Both were operated by staff that had experience and work experience (average age being over 25+). A few years ago - Vancouver tried to get a 3 day con started by a young lass named Amanda- and it failed *big time* to the point, guests and the hotel were owed big money. She started out with high expectations, promised the sun and the moon to everyone and fell flat on her butt, tainting the area and leaving people to hold the financial bag.

The advice i give to anyone starting out an event is- start small and *not* duplicate Anime North. Meaning- the cookie cutter approach will not guarantee success since you are talking about an event that had personal $backing, started off small and has been 9 years in the making.

We did not break even until 2000 (if memory serves).And hotel and other venues require deposits up front.:) Be prepared to be in a position of being able to afford to loose money and owing money.


Sure- you can still have an anime/manga themed event but to try to do things exactly like AN without the same resources and infrastructure- you are setting your event up for failure.:)

(and frankly, with $ being tight with companies- they are only really looking at established events).^_^

As i advised AE- make your own niche. Look at your target audience and see what you can do differently. Work at other cons, learn from other con's mistakes (AN has made many), watch, listen and learn.:)

(HINT: a manga-con would be something different or as i suggested to AE, build on the Asian fusion, due to the high chinese population they have on the west coast- make it an all asian event!).


Alot of the principles and methods that are applied to AN comes from our own personal " professional" experience. And from research.

Before really taking on AN- i did the US con circuit of the big cons, find out what worked for them, what didnt and why. Looked at their demographics and looked at ours and find out what the differences are and what were the similairities.


I think that any group that was to start off with a 3 day con for their first year is being overly overly ambitious. Best to test the waters with 1 day event. I know for some of us- we make it look easy- but it isnt.:)

This is also the advice that was given to NAF.:)

For Aaron Y and CnB- he is putting up his own money to which he is prepared to loose. We at AN who are friends with him, have given our feedback and with all of that, he is still moving forward since he is willing to take the financial risk. Alot of things that were suggested here, have been suggested to him , but as its his $, its his decision.

I know he wanted to bring a 'relax-a-con' to Toronto. Maybe one is needed, maybe one is not. I wish him luck on this project , since i can see so many challenges that may be too much for him to overcome.

But yes- to those that think that they can whip one up over the weekend- there is much much more than what you see at AN.:) And if you are looking for success (by whatever definition)- find your OWN niche and style. Offer something *different* and people will take notice.:) And be respectful of the people and events that are already out there. If they are still running, they must know something and are doing something right.:)


Oba-chan Tamara
Liaison Director
Anime North
(and i am really looking forward to my retirement ^_^)

Kohana
02-19-2005, 02:11 AM
I just went through this thread and I constantly keep seeing "There are TOO MANY CONS!!" ... well I figure the too many con problem will solve it self out the same way nature does when there is an imbalence of some sort... by Natural Selection... the weaker and crappier cons will be weeded out over time to be banished from existance while the more established cons will thrive... It's survival of the fittest!... at least that is the way I see it... I mean if someone planned to go to and cosplay to each con in the area it would be a flippin' full time job not a hobby!...
But I do think that if someone is planning to do more events think outside the box and come up with something original.... i.e photoshoots... rummage sales of anime/cosplay stuff... picnics...other type of gatherings.. or what have you...
Hopefully I've made some sense....

TamaraMacDonald
02-19-2005, 06:29 PM
Welli- that is what i am hoping to offer next year (if i am still in Ontario) and what i am suggesting to others who want to start up a con.:) And to bring these events where they are 1 day events and do not cost a fortune to attend or to be involved with.

Come up with something different and original. Think *out of the box*. :)

What i think is really interesting is that CNB is planning to print 3000 books, as if they will get 3000 people in the first year. I may be wrong but i just cant see- too much being asked and modelled after AN (in prices and other things) though they say they are not trying to be like AN. I wish they stuck to gaming as the whole theme of the con since that would be really something!!! And with that time of year- could get tons of corporate support on the VG circuit since it isnt during any E3 or similar event.:)

Tamara

Schubuttercup
02-19-2005, 07:54 PM
Can I ask a really stupid question..What in the world is...AE, AB. CNB?

I may know, but the abervations..throw me off.

TamaraMacDonald
02-19-2005, 11:12 PM
Can I ask a really stupid question..What in the world is...AE, AB. CNB?

I may know, but the abervations..throw me off.


No worries.:)

AE= Anime Evolution- in Vancouver, BC (Asian fusion explosion!)
AB= Anime Boston- in Boston, USA
CNB= Con No Baka- uhm....november and i think part of the discussion here. Can't really comment other than what i have , simply because it has not had even a first year yet but is rather ambitious IMHO.:) The person putting up the $$$ for it, is part of our tech crew at AN.:) But it is *not* run by Anime North, etc.....

Oh and the previous con i was talking about that sucked in its first /second year, even with all the promises the 19 year old con chair (Amanda Tomasch) made, and left people hanging with the $$ owed to the hotel and GOH paying for their own bills (with promises of being reimbursed- never happened), was Aka con/kon (once upon in Vancouver- now dead).

AE had to wait until the air in Vancouver cleared on that situation. Since the hotel was stiffed a lot of money.:) Imagine the reputation "cons" in general would get about being a host to an "anime con" = being stiffed for the money owed.:)

Just to show this person's wisdom (or lack of....), she was promoting what was legal "sexually" with certain age groups (young girls) in B.C. (for some reason she posted this online, though she was from the USA) and embarassed anyone who was Canadian and a con organizer. (just a little bit of history.....)

Tamara

Amy the Yu
02-21-2005, 01:12 AM
I just went through this thread and I constantly keep seeing "There are TOO MANY CONS!!" ... well I figure the too many con problem will solve it self out the same way natural does when there is an imbalence of some sort... by Natural Selection... the weaker and crappier cons will be weeded out over time to be banished from existance while the more established cons will thrive... It's survival of the fittest!... at least that is the way I see it... I mean if someone planned to go to and cosplay to each con in the area it would be a flippin' full time job not a hobby!...

Natural selection. Haha!! I love you! XD *clings to your legs and refuses to let go* (<- giant geeky biology major)

Come up with something different and original. Think *out of the box*. :)

What i think is really interesting is that CNB is planning to print 3000 books, as if they will get 3000 people in the first year. I may be wrong but i just cant see- too much being asked and modelled after AN (in prices and other things) though they say they are not trying to be like AN. I wish they stuck to gaming as the whole theme of the con since that would be really something!!! And with that time of year- could get tons of corporate support on the VG circuit since it isnt during any E3 or similar event.:)

As self-serving as it sounds (and it kinda is ^^;; ), I would love to see some kind of event that's anime based and tailors to some of the "older" members of the demographics. AA and TT are on my list of "want to go to"s for 2005, but it would kick serious ass to have an anime-based event to get to meet more of the older anime fans.

As for CnB. 3000...that's a bit...frightening. I don't really know what to say about that except it doesn't seem particularily logical or likely, but as long as the con chair's got the money and is ready to lose it in case the con flops, I can't say I have anything against him doing it. Wish him luck although I'm very unlikely to attend.

I agree to death with you on the pricing being modelled after AN. That strikes me as the most unreasonable part of the entire con. AN's price is comparitively low to most cons in the USA that I've been to, but seeing as how most people who may be attending CnB will be people who attend AN as well, they're used to the price and find it too expensive since there's no guarentee as to how the con will turn out (where as many people have been to AN multipule years and can vouch for it).

Kohana
02-21-2005, 07:23 PM
Natural selection. Haha!! I love you! XD *clings to your legs and refuses to let go* (<- giant geeky biology major)

LOL! love right back at you!... but eventually you're going to have to let go of my leg... ^_^

TamaraMacDonald
02-25-2005, 01:14 PM
On the top of too many cons and what was closed re; pros and cons of other events (interesting read)- one of these days- maybe next year when i retire from cons and run other events- is that i should write a book on "how to start up and run an anime convention" from the perspective of consumer of conventions as well as someone who has actually worked for 20 years in both private and public sector/non-profit organizations on top of my academic work.:) You want to talk business models???:)

Theory is one thing- practice and evidence-based applications are another.:)

Talk to someone who has done this for as looooonnng time- not just talk about it or do what we call "arm-chair" management. Since it is easier to say things vs. getting it done- as life and all of those variables have not read the textbooks that say how such and such should happen.:) And I am saying that from the perspective of an educator.:)

And i have the name of the title already: " Convention Management for Dummies" (copyrighted!^_^).

But back to the subject-if someone really wanted to bring a new event to Southern Ontario- i would definitely go for a different segment. Money is tight alllll around and to have something different to offer to the community would make that event stand out.:) Branding 101.:)

Tamara

Daaku_Tai
03-15-2005, 06:20 PM
This is one con that I for sure will not be attending, I've heard things about how poorly this is being down and I myself don't want to be there...as for the Anime North thing, I heard that the guy running this used or still does work with AN....is he bored with AN or something, you think something as good as AN would want to make you work there, I mean the con is big as it is and yet they just make another on top of that o_O does anyone not think that is kinda........greedy or stupid?

Sorry just my opinon, anyways....uh..cont'd

Natty Dread
03-16-2005, 01:58 PM
ive only been to two cons so far, so my basis of comparison isnt very good.

Lafiel
03-16-2005, 03:41 PM
I think I'm going to go give it a try and see how it is.
Generally I don't trust other peoples opinions on things.. especially when it hasn't happened :) Plus I'm not to bad at making fun for myself if I have too.

It seems like a more organized Cosplay gathering..
Better location then the science center me thinks ^^

Amy the Yu
03-16-2005, 03:56 PM
I think I'm going to go give it a try and see how it is.
Generally I don't trust other peoples opinions on things.. especially when it hasn't happened :) Plus I'm not to bad at making fun for myself if I have too.

It seems like a more organized Cosplay gathering..
Better location then the science center me thinks ^^

It struck me as something like a giant gathering, too, but the location is really not very convenient for anyone from my neck of the woods (Scarborough) who don't drive.

I normally only can get to AN cause it's during my off term when I'm at home in TO and I can often mooch a ride off someone else from the same area, but judging from all the people thinking they might skip out on it, I doubt I'd know enough people going to find someone who can give me a lift. Close proximity to finals doesn't help the time issues either.

As to the post by Daaku_Tai, I don't think it's fair to say making a new con is greedy OR stupid (especially when the con is non-profit). The director is using his own money to start it up. It's like someone starting up a very large club. You don't know how it's going to turn out until it happens, but he's not borrowing tonnes of money that he may not be able to pay back if the con flops. It's his money, it's his fun, so I say let him have a go at it. He's still head of A/V at AN, so it's not like he doesn't have plenty of con staff experience. At least we can be sure that it won't be a repeat of the horrid experience of anime con flop resulting in massive debts as what happened on the Canadian west coast years ago.

It might not be a terribly great idea to start it up this year when so many cons have been popping up all over southern Ontario in the last couple of years, but if you think about how many people complain about the Hobbystar mini-cons and then the large gap during the fall/winter months, if it gets off the ground, it could provide a good event for those looking for a con during the con off season without having to travel to the USA.

On the other hand, I still think printing 3000 programs is way too much. 1000 is already a highly doubtful expected turnout rate for a con in it's first year. 3000 seems to be praying for a miracle a wee bit.

CnB has my support for the idea (although I'm not hot about the easy to misinterpret name), but doubtful if it'll have my financial support cause of personal time and location issues.

Michiko chan
09-04-2005, 02:49 PM
It'll be interesting for sure, I'm curious as to how it'll turn out. I mostly go to smaller cons to hang out with friends who live a long distance away, so that's why I'm going (and to cosplay! <3).

I don't know why everyone is complaining about the con's name; its just a name, and its kinda funny. ^^

trixyloupwolf
09-04-2005, 03:38 PM
well if too much convention in toronto....

why not have some for us in quebec......^-^.......

i went to cnanime and is was very far..............
too bad was my first and last time.....bcause...no one want to go whith me they said its too far away.......

please hopefully soon we can have one near my home
in quebec(well montreal or laval maybe)


that cool be fun for me....^-^....

well i think you are alls lucky to have so much convention....

maybe people you complaine too much....here we don have any......so....

well thats all

lucky you

Amy the Yu
09-04-2005, 03:53 PM
I don't know why everyone is complaining about the con's name; its just a name, and its kinda funny. ^^Bad/strange names usually just give a false first impression. Even though the con chair has explained where the name was from, the whole baka=idiot=fool=jester thing just isn't what first comes to mind to most people.

And another example of bad naming doing harm. A few years ago when I used to teach swimming, I had a student named "Dikshit" (and if you don't get why it's a bad name, just say "Dik-shit" out loud). The first day of class we had 5 instructors doing attendance together and no one could even say his name without bursting into laughter or twitching. The students weren't much better at dealing with his name. There was nothing wrong with the kid....it was just a name, but I'm sure before he grows up, it's bound to do him some damage. -_-;;

Michiko chan
09-04-2005, 05:02 PM
Ahhh, I see what you're getting at. ^^; I guess I'm just a little slow.

But Dikshit? The poor kid.

Amy the Yu
09-04-2005, 05:38 PM
Ahhh, I see what you're getting at. ^^; I guess I'm just a little slow.

But Dikshit? The poor kid.I don't think if an event like CnB pleases the attendees that it would be held back by the name for long, but I think most of the name complaints resulted in the name of the con being released before any substantial info on it. -_-;;

heki-chan
09-04-2005, 11:59 PM
Hmm, does anyone know any other way to contact CnB other than email? Because we emailed a questions a week ago and STILL got no response >_>;;