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heza-chan
11-27-2005, 02:43 AM
If anyone need to talk to the con chair, Aaron Yorgason, you can contact him at chair@connobaka.com

if anybody needs a refund.

heki-chan
11-27-2005, 05:40 PM
We were told to contact Aaron next week regarding refunds.

If you need the phone number, please PM heza-chan, Dani, or myself.
We just shouldn't post his number publicly :)

Amy the Yu
11-30-2005, 03:01 PM
I don't know exactly where this should go, but the CnB forums probably won't solve much as it's now basically a battle of people who want their apology and money back, and people who feel sorry for Aaron and want the attendees/dealers/artists/security to take a small fall so that Aaron won't go further into financial trouble.

I know a lot of people who did not get their promised reimbursement even after fulfilling their duties (ie. security and panelists), and other people who deserve partial reimbursement (ie. weekend pass holders, dealers and artists).

Does anyone know what's going on with it all? At CnB, all they said was "contact Aaron" and the only group of people who were compensated were the panelists. The rest seemed to be left to hang.

For dealers, the only thing I've heard so far was that instead of giving a 25% refund that was promised due to the loss of Sunday sales, HE'S GIVING IOUs because he doesn't have the money to give back. The amount owed is approx. $20 per table since the cost of the tables was $150/table and half of that cost were paid for in gift certs which were only honoured until the announcement of the convention's early close (which was only 2 hours before Dealers' Room was closed).

I know a lot of people who still would like and deserve compensation for what happened and Aaron's "My loss is greater than yours" sure doesn't fly when CnB was a for-profit convention.

Vicky
11-30-2005, 04:00 PM
IOUs are worth the paper they're written on.

Kia
11-30-2005, 04:16 PM
Well, there's this thread http://forums.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=72136 but I don't know how helpful that really is ...

Amy the Yu
11-30-2005, 04:27 PM
Well, there's this thread http://forums.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=72136 but I don't know how helpful that really is ...Crap. I totally didn't see that one. >_<

Guess it's up to Heki-chan if she wants to just lock this thread. I can always just move what little info I found out about the IOUs to the other thread...not that anyone's holding out hope that IOUs are going to be honoured since we've been lied to so many times already. >_>

heki-chan
11-30-2005, 08:52 PM
At the risk of sounding like a heartless jerk, I don't really care about "who lost more", in the end, there were contracts made (whether it was by a dealer renting a table, or a volunteer who was promised reimbursement for their time/effort).
If you're going to start a convention as a personal business venture, be ready to absorb the costs; otherwise, incorporate it and limit your personal liability. =P

As far as I know, he promised the Dealer's 25% refund on total table costs.
For a $150 table, it should be $37.50 + 7% GST (cuz u know, that 7% sure as hell isn't going to the government =P ) = $40.12

I'm confused, now he changed his mind to only $20???

Is it just me, or does that seem HUGELY unethical? The real world doesn't work this way, you can't just take back your word and change monetary amounts on a whim.

dani
11-30-2005, 10:19 PM
At the risk of sounding like an even worst hearltess jerk, it's not illegal to be unethical. People unfortunately fail to follow their verbal or written contracts too often.

The options in that case are limited. If the amount outstanding is big enough one can initiate a legal action.
If the amount is not big enough the healthiest thing is to just consider it an unfortunate and unexpected expense, and get on with life. When I have to take that route I consider the money lost as a "fee" to discover how reliable one person is. It's like for $80 I hired a detective/background checking agency to find out if I should be doing business with Mr. Aaron. Until I see a refund the response to that question is clear.

heki-chan
11-30-2005, 10:34 PM
I agree with you. At this point, it's got nothing to do with the monetary-value. I just consider it a cost of doing business.

That said, at the moment (for myself anyway) I just don't like getting lied to; so I'd like to see if he will eventually resolve this whole mess, just from a principles point of view.

Personally, I'd like to take that $20 IOU and treat 2 friends to DTAC or something lol!

Vicky
11-30-2005, 10:36 PM
At risk of sounding like a really mean person and getting beat up by a whole bunch of you awesome people (i really mean that!) i think that... going to that con in the first place was a risk large enough to accept that you shouldn't JUST be mad at the guy running the con. Don't get me wrong though! I love you all and I really don't want to stir the $hit, but...
When I recieved that pamphlet in the mail for Con no Baka and saw they were asking $45 for a full weekend pass of a NEW convention, I laughed and tossed it out. I'm not saying its anyone's FAULT, i'm just saying... I don't know... It was predictable. So, just because the guy running it didn't know better doesnt mean you should penny pinch ^^;

heki-chan
11-30-2005, 10:39 PM
At risk of sounding like a really mean person and getting beat up by a whole bunch of you awesome people (i really mean that!) i think that... going to that con in the first place was a risk large enough to accept that you shouldn't JUST be mad at the guy running the con. Don't get me wrong though! I love you all and I really don't want to stir the $hit, but...
When I recieved that pamphlet in the mail for Con no Baka and saw they were asking $45 for a full weekend pass of a NEW convention, I laughed and tossed it out. I'm not saying its anyone's FAULT, i'm just saying... I don't know... It was predictable. So, just because the guy running it didn't know better doesnt mean you should penny pinch ^^;

I *think* most people are just pissed off about teh way in which it was handled; not so much the lost money ^_^

Vicky
11-30-2005, 10:40 PM
aha good point! ^_^ I stand corrected!

Jo_Canadian
12-01-2005, 08:16 AM
for busting my ass all weekend and dani and elemental and a few other people who saw me working security all weekend like a fiend, i got nothing to show for it. except for a massive headache and a con no baka security badge, which i plan on burning and dancing around. i didnt even get a 20 dollar gc, but oh well. a loss is what it is a suppose

IWantYouItachi
12-01-2005, 08:29 PM
I understand where you are coming from by saying going to the con was a big risk, but if everyone looked at things that way all the time, most new cons would fail.

Ok, so, Con no Baka failed in the end, and people are mad about it, in fact, some people are REALLY mad about it. But what about those others cons you've second guessed about going to that turned out to be a great weekend?

Sometimes you have to take a risk in order to succeed.

heki-chan
12-01-2005, 10:37 PM
Again, just from what myself and most people I've spoken with, it's not that the con failed that people are mad about; it's the way in which the situation was handled.

No one likes to be BS'd to, right?

It's okay that the con failed, stuff happens, but that doesn't really mean the organizer should give people crap about it. Just be straight up, and people will be understanding I'm sure.

I haven't really heard anyone say they weren't going to give other new cons a chance *shrug*, I'm always up for something new ^_^;