View Full Version : Wearing Lolita on occasion, while not dedicating your lifestyle entirely to it?
Kazephyr
10-02-2007, 03:59 PM
Nearly everything I have ever heard about Gothic Lolita, or any of the numerous other types of Lolita fashion has referred to it as a lifestyle. I've read into the Lolita lifestyle, and it sounds very nice, though I'm not sure I could put so much into living the Loli life to it's fullest. So I had some questions. Do most Lolita's feel it's alright wear a Lolita outfit on occasion, while at other times wearing outfits that have nothing in the least to do with the fashion? Of course, I have no intentions of murdering the style (acting like a depressed/angry goth, being rude, skimpy-ing up a SweetRori outfit). What I want to ask is, is it all right to dress Lolita sometimes, but wear many other fashions on different days? I have many different tastes in fashion, and I like lots of variety. I just don’t feel I could quite throw tea-parties, or entirely mold my lifestyle to suit Lolita. Having good manners, being friendly, smiling, etc. are things I normally try to do anyhow, so it’s not as if I completely contradict the lifestyle as it is. I just wonder how far you need to go for people to consider you “a Lolita”. I'm relatively new to Japanese fashions, and still trying to get a feel for it. I would appreciate any advice or opinions, thank you. ^_^
Meiki
10-02-2007, 04:06 PM
It's absolutely fine. Most people have nothing to do with whatever the "lolita lifestyle" is supposed to be anyway. For example, I may wear it more often than most, but I swear like a sailor. Whenever you feel like wearing it, by all means wear it.
penny_dreadful
10-02-2007, 04:06 PM
To my understanding, it is PERFECTLY acceptable to wear loli only on occasion. Most of us do not stick to one style every single day, especially if we have jobs that require professional attire or schools that have uniforms or strict dress codes. Even if you don't, you may wish to just integrate the style into your regular wear but not adhere to a strict lifestyle change.
I think most lolis are really only concerned with people not butchering the fashion, rather than having to devote their entire wardrobes to it.
--Penny
Kazephyr
10-02-2007, 04:39 PM
Thank you both very much for your thoughts. ^_^ I always hear the Lolita lifestyle very strongly emphasized in what I've read about Lolita fashion, so I worry about things like that... ^_^;;
anomalie
10-03-2007, 05:30 PM
What I want to ask is, is it all right to dress Lolita sometimes, but wear many other fashions on different days?
Of course, doll! :) You certainly don't need to ask the internet for permission! If anyone wanted to whine about you "not being consistent" or whatever else they may come up with, that would be their problem.
Kazephyr
10-04-2007, 10:26 AM
Of course, doll! You certainly don't need to ask the internet for permission! If anyone wanted to whine about you "not being consistent" or whatever else they may come up with, that would be their problem.
Thanks. ^_^ I'm afraid I ought to be a bit more bold... I'm sort of... timid when it comes to things like this. ^_^;;
aliceaddict
10-04-2007, 12:48 PM
lolita lifestyle = whatever you are doing when you wear lolita
some prissy stick-up-their-butts girls might say that you have to act like a prim and proper Victorian doormat, but i say HELL NO.
Hehe, I don't act any differently when I wear Lolita. There really are no extra rules for behaviour, just the ordinary "say please and thank you, keep your elbows off the table, don't pick your nose" kind of ettiquette.
velvet_eden
10-05-2007, 02:23 AM
i think any form of fashion shouldn't really be taken as serious to be called a lifestyle anyways :P wear what you want & just enjoy being yourself.
Mangochutney
10-05-2007, 02:59 AM
I find that a girl stuffing her face with a sandwich or smoking a cigarette or even belching is about 10x more adorable doing it in a girlishly pretty dress.
Something about loli fashion makes otherwise crass behavior charming. Why waste that?
Smoking a cigarette is never charming, especially when it's around me, especially when it's after I've already said the fumes make my throat swell up and I could die.
Kazephyr
10-05-2007, 08:47 AM
Well, that's a relief... When I was first studying up on GothLoli, the only thing I didn't like was the lifestyle I often saw attached to it. I'm generally a pretty polite person, I think, but I just don't know if I have the dedication to learn to sit a certain way while my hands rest daintily in my lap. -_-;; It sort of turned me off of the style for a while, but then I decided to give the message boards a look... Glad I did, lol. ^_^;; Thank you for all the advice everyone, you've been very helpful. ^_^
Sarcasm-hime
10-06-2007, 07:40 PM
Some people take themselves way too seriously, and that applies to lolis like anything else. I like all sorts of different clothing styles, and wear lots of different things including loli style; if that bothers some hardcore 'lifestyle lolis', too bad. *shrug*
Kazephyr
10-07-2007, 04:16 PM
Some people take themselves way too seriously, and that applies to lolis like anything else. I like all sorts of different clothing styles, and wear lots of different things including loli style; if that bothers some hardcore 'lifestyle lolis', too bad. *shrug*
That's how I am, really. I wear tons of different things that would kind of be strange to see lined up together. ^_^;; I wish magazines would quit putting so much into talking about how much Lolita is a lifestyle... I understand the necessity to emphasize the themes Loli fashion follows, due to the instant stereotype a lot of people put on the word "Lolita", but they make it sound kind of... extreme. ^_^;; They should at least point out that there are Lolitas who do and don't follow the lifestyle.
tea.mochi
10-08-2007, 06:25 PM
Hi, I'm Asia and I'm new.
I have a question about EGL along the lines of the OPs question.
Now I may have just run into the wrong girls, but I've heard some lolita girls talking nasty like about "scene kids" who dress lolita.
They were going on about how horrid it would look with short and straight hair, big plastic beads and bracelets etc.
Now, I think this might look real cute! Like, Lolita with a flash of color and fun!
I'm also very alternative (I guess) In my way of thinking of things so I allways think of how I can use pieces of this and that in other styles (Kimono with jeans anyone?). Would I be ridiculed for doing these things with Lolita style?
I mean, I feel that everyone has their own means of expression and I feel that if you can take a style and make it yours the GO FOR IT, but I don't want to go through the trouble of constantly defending myself against people I should be making friends with you know?
And I understand people wanting to keep within a certain style, but what if I were to really pull off a sort of "scene" lolita.. shouldn't I be entitled to that without being judged by other lolitas?
Are all Lolitas this picky or did I just run into the wrong people?
PS) Sorry if calling you guys "lolitas" is wrong, I just realized that maybe theres another word you use and I know that lolita is originally a bad thing, so I'm just apologizing ahead of time.
Thanks!
Mrowrz
10-08-2007, 07:15 PM
NOOOOOOOOO.
Scene kids copy everything. And make it look horrible. I think they should either go Sweet Lolita, or leave it alone. Forever.
tea.mochi
10-08-2007, 07:44 PM
Okay I think the point was missed.
I'm not just saying "scene kids", I'm talking anyone.
And "scene kids" don't copy everything, otherwise you would see them looking like preps and I don't know about the rest of the world, but I know that the "scene kids" by my area do not look preppy in the least. Nope. Nada. No blonde wavy hair and Abercrombie for them.
(Sorry if I sounded bitchy, but I know many "scene kids" who are the most wonderful people in the world, and they've proven to be smarter than some of the "normal" people I know. Their only "fault" is their dress and I think its a shame that they're clothes are judged and not their minds... Again if I sounded like a bitch I apologise.)
ANYWAY. My point was is it really that much of a sin in the EGL world to take EGL and make it your own style?
I mean, its not just "sweet loli" either, theres "pirates" and "gothics" and "Ero", "Wa" and "Qi" and TONS of different kinds of Lolis. Couldn't there be more?
The discussion about Scene Kids being neither original nor alternative would be a long one and won by anyone over the age of 20. We have seen the 80s. We thought they were horrible enough to stay away but noo. Also... goth wants their gimmick back.
However, the point being is that you can take elements from fashion and make it your own, but you can no longer call it said fashion. You wouldn't be Lolita if you took only certain aspects.
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 07:43 AM
You do no have to live the Lolita life style to dress Lolita. It is not easy for everyone, when I first started out it was hard getting use to wearing Lolita everyday. I love being a life style Lolita but I admit there are days I long for a pair of slacks. The manners and etiquette are also hard to get use to. Like I said the life style is not good for everyone.
Hi, I'm Asia and I'm new.
I have a question about EGL along the lines of the OPs question.
Now I may have just run into the wrong girls, but I've heard some lolita girls talking nasty like about "scene kids" who dress lolita.
They were going on about how horrid it would look with short and straight hair, big plastic beads and bracelets etc.
Now, I think this might look real cute! Like, Lolita with a flash of color and fun!
I'm also very alternative (I guess) In my way of thinking of things so I allways think of how I can use pieces of this and that in other styles (Kimono with jeans anyone?). Would I be ridiculed for doing these things with Lolita style?
I mean, I feel that everyone has their own means of expression and I feel that if you can take a style and make it yours the GO FOR IT, but I don't want to go through the trouble of constantly defending myself against people I should be making friends with you know?
And I understand people wanting to keep within a certain style, but what if I were to really pull off a sort of "scene" lolita.. shouldn't I be entitled to that without being judged by other lolitas?
Are all Lolitas this picky or did I just run into the wrong people?
PS) Sorry if calling you guys "lolitas" is wrong, I just realized that maybe theres another word you use and I know that lolita is originally a bad thing, so I'm just apologizing ahead of time.
Thanks!
Plastic beads with Lolita is kind of a no no. Plastic beads will bring down the outfit and make you look cheap. I remember just a few days ago on egl a girl tried to do that and she was wanked.
And Lolita is the right term. We are Lolita's, it was not always a bad thing society took it and made it a bad thing.
Ughh... If you use plastic beads and bracelets you can no longer call it Lolita. You are using certain parts of the fashion not all of them. Lolita is suppose to be elegant not ugly and costume like. Scene Kids is that what you emo kids are calling yourselves now.
NOOOOOOOOO.
Scene kids copy everything. And make it look horrible. I think they should either go Sweet Lolita, or leave it alone. Forever.
IAWTC!!! 1989 called they want their clothes back.
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 08:49 AM
IAWTC!!! 1989 called they want their clothes back.
You are kind of a meanie aren't you. You like to pull people down. I agree with what you are saying plastic beads are the wrong thing to do and what you are saying about Emo kids is true but do you have to say it in such a rude fashion. Lolita is suppose to be Elegant so why aren't you.
Don't get your bloomers in a knot Princess. I sorry okay.
tea.mochi
10-09-2007, 09:35 AM
Ughh... If you use plastic beads and bracelets you can no longer call it Lolita. You are using certain parts of the fashion not all of them. Lolita is suppose to be elegant not ugly and costume like. Scene Kids is that what you emo kids are calling yourselves now.
HAHA, funny thing is I'm not emo nor am I scene, and there IS a difference, you just don't care to look cause you got your head so far up your ass with generalizations.
Its really sad that Lolitas are so picky about who dresses as Lolita and what they wear with it.
I've seen girls claiming they're in Lolita, but I would just call it a skirt and blouse, no bloomers, no head dress (except maybe a little bow) no poofy skirts underneath, no tall shoes (not even short shoes sometimes) I mean, it didn't even look like a sunday dress it was so bad. So they would be PRAISED for their lolita dress, and anyone with a Gothic Lolita dress who tries to color it up with some rainbow stockings and necklaces and a cute hat would be ridiculed for NOT being Lolita?
I'm sorry but I just don't get it even still.
What if I made the dress to look specifically that and it actually looked cute? But OHHHHH no because I'm wearing bright colored stockings and plastic beads besides fake pearls around my neck I'm making it look tacky and evil... but that girl over there in her good will skirt and blouse looks TOTALLY Lolita and she gets the honor of calling herself as such.
Sorry for being a bitch but it sounds contradictory to me...
And next time, find proof that I said I was scene before you make a stab like that.
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 09:41 AM
Don't get your bloomers in a knot Princess. I sorry okay.
God you are as vulgar as it gets.
To the girl who posted above Lolita is a fashion with a strict set of rules. Maybe you like Decora better. Have you checked it out. It's kind of neat.
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 09:43 AM
HAHA, funny thing is I'm not emo nor am I scene, and there IS a difference, you just don't care to look cause you got your head so far up your ass with generalizations.
Its really sad that Lolitas are so picky about who dresses as Lolita and what they wear with it.
I've seen girls claiming they're in Lolita, but I would just call it a skirt and blouse, no bloomers, no head dress (except maybe a little bow) no poofy skirts underneath, no tall shoes (not even short shoes sometimes) I mean, it didn't even look like a sunday dress it was so bad. So they would be PRAISED for their lolita dress, and anyone with a Gothic Lolita dress who tries to color it up with some rainbow stockings and necklaces and a cute hat would be ridiculed for NOT being Lolita?
I'm sorry but I just don't get it even still.
What if I made the dress to look specifically that and it actually looked cute? But OHHHHH no because I'm wearing bright colored stockings and plastic beads besides fake pearls around my neck I'm making it look tacky and evil... but that girl over there in her good will skirt and blouse looks TOTALLY Lolita and she gets the honor of calling herself as such.
Sorry for being a bitch but it sounds contradictory to me...
And next time, find proof that I said I was scene before you make a stab like that.
Have you checked the lolita hand book sweetie. I am not very good at explaining things maybe that could help you better. There is a link in the threads list. edit I guess there was not. http://lolita-handbook.livejournal.com/ here it is check it out.
Thanks Princess high an mighty for your views and opinions on what I am. I glad I am so vulgar.
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 09:57 AM
Your welcome. Now stop taking up space that is suppose to be used for helping.
Kazephyr
10-09-2007, 10:55 AM
You do no have to live the Lolita life style to dress Lolita. It is not easy for everyone, when I first started out it was hard getting use to wearing Lolita everyday. I love being a life style Lolita but I admit there are days I long for a pair of slacks. The manners and etiquette are also hard to get use to. Like I said the life style is not good for everyone.
Yes, that was what worried me. I simply don't enjoy being committed to one style. I like to wear lots of different styles, while at the same time respecting the standards of each of the fashions I wear. ^_^
HAHA, funny thing is I'm not emo nor am I scene, and there IS a difference, you just don't care to look cause you got your head so far up your ass with generalizations.
Its really sad that Lolitas are so picky about who dresses as Lolita and what they wear with it.
I've seen girls claiming they're in Lolita, but I would just call it a skirt and blouse, no bloomers, no head dress (except maybe a little bow) no poofy skirts underneath, no tall shoes (not even short shoes sometimes) I mean, it didn't even look like a sunday dress it was so bad. So they would be PRAISED for their lolita dress, and anyone with a Gothic Lolita dress who tries to color it up with some rainbow stockings and necklaces and a cute hat would be ridiculed for NOT being Lolita?
I'm sorry but I just don't get it even still.
What if I made the dress to look specifically that and it actually looked cute? But OHHHHH no because I'm wearing bright colored stockings and plastic beads besides fake pearls around my neck I'm making it look tacky and evil... but that girl over there in her good will skirt and blouse looks TOTALLY Lolita and she gets the honor of calling herself as such.
Sorry for being a bitch but it sounds contradictory to me...
And next time, find proof that I said I was scene before you make a stab like that.
To put it simply, I've always understood Lolita as being a rather strict style. Therefore, maybe trying to follow this style is a bad idea for you, as you seem very adamant about adding some rather Lolita-defying touches to your outfits. If you want to be INSPIRED by Lolita, then I personally don't see the harm. However, if you insist on wearing rainbow socks and plastic beads, and then calling yourself Lolita, I think you will be frowned on by the Lolita community. Perhaps just having your own style, with influences from others, better suits you?
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 10:59 AM
Yes, that was what worried me. I simply don't enjoy being committed to one style. I like to wear lots of different styles, while at the same time respecting the standards of each of the fashions I wear. ^_^
To put it simply, I've always understood Lolita as being a rather strict style. Therefore, maybe trying to follow this style is a bad idea for you, as you seem very adamant about adding some rather Lolita-defying touches to your outfits. If you want to be INSPIRED by Lolita, then I personally don't see the harm. However, if you insist on wearing rainbow socks and plastic beads, and then calling yourself Lolita, I think you will be frowned on by the Lolita community. Perhaps just having your own style, with influences from others, better suits you?
I agree with you thats kind of what I was trying to say to her with out being mean. You summed it up good with out being mean.
tea.mochi
10-09-2007, 11:45 AM
You make sense and I appreciate the clarification.
I wouldn't go and say that what I was wearing was LITERALLY lolita, but I would more than likely say it was inspired.
But I still don't see the logic. For instance, I could put fake blood on my face and outfit and it would still be lolita... but a colorful necklace isn't? Its like the bible lol, one bit of contradiction is okay but the rest isn't. XP
Don't get me wrong though PLEASE, I have NO problems with lolita fashion. I love it actually and I design my own dresses and I plan to open a website with my dresses and patterns and sell them to other lolitas.
Of course I'm not the kind of person who could lead a lolita life style, but I would love to dress it occasionally, and more often than not I would probably dress in lolita inspired fashion.
I guess what I'm trying to understand here is why are some interpretations of lolita allowed but others aren't? Why am I allowed to wear something that doesn't look very lolita and call it such, or wear a gothic lolita dress with blood on my face and call it lolita, but I can't wear colorful stockings or necklaces.
BTW, thanks for putting up with me you guys, I realize some of the things I said may have been a bit rude, but I'm glad you guys aren't taking it personally.
I really appreciate it.
And please don't think of me as a troll, I'm not trying to piss people off, I'm trying to evoke some serious thought on this reasoning on lolita that I came across.
The Gothic and Lolita Bible is a good resource, yes, but don't forget that the owner and editor is a 40+ year old MAN who himself leans strongly towards Gothic rather than Lolita.
I understand that you're trying to provoke some thought, but it's a futile effort. All of this has already been thought through. This is NOT a new fashion. Also, you might want to take a philosophy class, you need some refreshing on the Socratic Method.
tea.mochi
10-09-2007, 12:02 PM
The Gothic and Lolita Bible is a good resource, yes, but don't forget that the owner and editor is a 40+ year old MAN who himself leans strongly towards Gothic rather than Lolita.
I understand that you're trying to provoke some thought, but it's a futile effort. All of this has already been thought through. This is NOT a new fashion. Also, you might want to take a philosophy class, you need some refreshing on the Socratic Method.
I've never read the Gothic and Lolita Bible so I wouldn't know anything about it.
I never mentioned whether this is a new fashion or not, I'm just questioning the contradictions within the fashion. Blood and gore is okay but not rainbows...
And I don't see the reason to take a philosophy class since I can't afford it, unless you want to pay ^_^
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 12:18 PM
Do you have aim sweetie it may make it easier to explain and not take up so much forum space. If you do im me and I will try to explain things to the best of my capabilities. Sn is my profile.
tea.mochi
10-09-2007, 12:39 PM
Do you have aim sweetie it may make it easier to explain and not take up so much forum space. If you do im me and I will try to explain things to the best of my capabilities. Sn is my profile.
I do but not here, I'm currently at work (I'm lucky noones noticed I'm not working lol). I usually get home at around 6:00-6:30 pm PST though.
Do you have yahoo?
My yahoo is tea.mochi
My aim is sakurasia
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 12:48 PM
I do have yahoo it's akane_tendo1664
I am on all the time my job allows it because sometimes I need it to get in touch with a costumer.
tea.mochi
10-09-2007, 12:49 PM
Perhaps I'll be able to find a way, but not entirely untill I get home. What about PMs?
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 12:55 PM
Pm's work too.
Kazephyr
10-09-2007, 01:21 PM
I agree with you thats kind of what I was trying to say to her with out being mean. You summed it up good with out being mean.
Thanks. ^_^ But I don't think you sounded mean at all! You were more or less just warning her of the general reaction towards such changes in the fashion, and offering guidance in what the themes of Lolita are.
You make sense and I appreciate the clarification.
I wouldn't go and say that what I was wearing was LITERALLY lolita, but I would more than likely say it was inspired.
But I still don't see the logic. For instance, I could put fake blood on my face and outfit and it would still be lolita... but a colorful necklace isn't? Its like the bible lol, one bit of contradiction is okay but the rest isn't. XP
Don't get me wrong though PLEASE, I have NO problems with lolita fashion. I love it actually and I design my own dresses and I plan to open a website with my dresses and patterns and sell them to other lolitas.
Of course I'm not the kind of person who could lead a lolita life style, but I would love to dress it occasionally, and more often than not I would probably dress in lolita inspired fashion.
I guess what I'm trying to understand here is why are some interpretations of lolita allowed but others aren't? Why am I allowed to wear something that doesn't look very lolita and call it such, or wear a gothic lolita dress with blood on my face and call it lolita, but I can't wear colorful stockings or necklaces.
BTW, thanks for putting up with me you guys, I realize some of the things I said may have been a bit rude, but I'm glad you guys aren't taking it personally.
I really appreciate it.
And please don't think of me as a troll, I'm not trying to piss people off, I'm trying to evoke some serious thought on this reasoning on lolita that I came across.
Fake blood etc. falls into the category of GuroRori, I think. It's acceptable as a part of Lolita because it's a part of one of the various Lolita styles, however strange it may seem to some. Rainbows, on the other hand, I personally think do contradict the refined/elegant/Alice in Wonderland look that I feel all of the styles share. Forgive me if I've stated any inaccuracies, as I'm no Lolita-expert myself. I'm speaking from what I've come to understand as the rules of the fashion.
tea.mochi
10-09-2007, 01:50 PM
Thanks. ^_^ But I don't think you sounded mean at all! You were more or less just warning her of the general reaction towards such changes in the fashion, and offering guidance in what the themes of Lolita are.
Fake blood etc. falls into the category of GuroRori, I think. It's acceptable as a part of Lolita because it's a part of one of the various Lolita styles, however strange it may seem to some. Rainbows, on the other hand, I personally think do contradict the refined/elegant/Alice in Wonderland look that I feel all of the styles share. Forgive me if I've stated any inaccuracies, as I'm no Lolita-expert myself. I'm speaking from what I've come to understand as the rules of the fashion.
No its okay, And princess has explained it to me moreso that its time period specific and I totally forgot that detail. I agree with it in that light, but I still feel bad that its not allowed in the lolita world.
I do kind of wish there was a lolita subculture where you could do that and somewhat be considered lolita since you follow most of the rules of the fashion you know?
tea.mochi
10-09-2007, 01:57 PM
Although I do understand, in a way, how gurorori is accepted, how does it or even pirate loli fall into the lines of the elegance of the victorian era?
Mangochutney
10-09-2007, 02:03 PM
I've seen something called "fruits loli" that involves bright, busy colors and rainbows and all the happy stripes and patterns anyone could want, all in one outfit. I imagine many people would think it looks like a fit of stomach flu in a paint factory; personally I find it delightful. Very cheerful and perky.
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 02:05 PM
Fruits loli is considered cosplay Lolita because it is not a real style of Lolita.
Because it doesn't follow all the rules of Lolita. So it's not really a style. Just try to consider it Lolita inspired.
Fruits Lolita is not a real style it's cosplay. And it looks like puke.
tea.mochi
10-09-2007, 02:11 PM
I've seen something called "fruits loli" that involves bright, busy colors and rainbows and all the happy stripes and patterns anyone could want, all in one outfit. I imagine many people would think it looks like a fit of stomach flu in a paint factory; personally I find it delightful. Very cheerful and perky.
AH sounds cute. Maybe thats what I should go for lol.
And definatly call it inspired.
Mangochutney
10-09-2007, 02:13 PM
Tsk tsk, Kiko. A little graciousness, please. If puke were rainbow-colored and had a cute heart print, I'm sure I'd enjoy food poisoning much more.
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 02:13 PM
Fruits Lolita is not a real style it's cosplay. And it looks like puke.
Why won't you go away. Your opinion matters not.
Why won't you go away. Your opinion matters not.
Exist solely to annoy you Alice. I think it's entertainment.
Kazephyr
10-09-2007, 02:18 PM
No its okay, And princess has explained it to me moreso that its time period specific and I totally forgot that detail. I agree with it in that light, but I still feel bad that its not allowed in the lolita world.
I do kind of wish there was a lolita subculture where you could do that and somewhat be considered lolita since you follow most of the rules of the fashion you know?
I do understand what you mean in a way. I've often had this feeling myself, relating to the Visual Kei clothing I make. Sometimes I feel like doing something to the outfit, or attempting to make an outfit that strays too far from the fashion itself. At that point I have to ask myself: "I think this would look good, but should I really still call it VK? Does this defy the fashion too much, or just plain not look VK? Why am I still trying to call it VK? Should I maybe just make this outfit something else altogether?"
I usually just come to the conclusion that I can always just make another outfit that actually DOES fall into VK, and still enjoy the outfit that doesn't look quite so VK as "my own design that was inspired by VK". If you use this thought process with Lolita, then you can enjoy both Lolita, and your own styles. ^_^
Although I do understand, in a way, how gurorori is accepted, how does it or even pirate loli fall into the lines of the elegance of the victorian era?
I'm really not a good person to try explaining that. In Lolita fashion, another of the concepts of the fashion is trying to look like a doll. I once read that GuroRori is sort of a "broken-doll" look. Pirate Lolita is something I know incredibly little about, in all honesty, though I do think it still maintains the strongest themes of Lolita fashion.
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 02:19 PM
Stop taking up forum space you dope. Talk to me on aim if you wish to annoy me.
tea.mochi
10-09-2007, 02:22 PM
I do understand what you mean in a way. I've often had this feeling myself, relating to the Visual Kei clothing I make. Sometimes I feel like doing something to the outfit, or attempting to make an outfit that strays too far from the fashion itself. At that point I have to ask myself: "I think this would look good, but should I really still call it VK? Does this defy the fashion too much, or just plain not look VK? Why am I still trying to call it VK? Should I maybe just make this outfit something else altogether?"
I usually just come to the conclusion that I can always just make another outfit that actually DOES fall into VK, and still enjoy the outfit that doesn't look quite so VK as "my own design that was inspired by VK". If you use this thought process with Lolita, then you can enjoy both Lolita, and your own styles. ^_^
I'm really not a good person to try explaining that. In Lolita fashion, another of the concepts of the fashion is trying to look like a doll. I once read that GuroRori is sort of a "broken-doll" look. Pirate Lolita is something I know incredibly little about, in all honesty, though I do think it still maintains the strongest themes of Lolita fashion.
Understandable, and I like what you mean about thinking of the clothes and how you're making them.. deciding to make something specifically lolita and the other not so much. Its a good logic to go by.
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 02:32 PM
Oh pirate lolita. Here it is http://www.babyssb.co.jp/shopping/pirates/index.html. It's very cute!!!
Kazephyr
10-09-2007, 02:34 PM
Understandable, and I like what you mean about thinking of the clothes and how you're making them.. deciding to make something specifically lolita and the other not so much. Its a good logic to go by.
Thanks. ^_^ When you're like me, and have such drastically varying tastes, you kind of have to come up with some kind of logic like that. ^_^;;
I've found, through trial and error, that that way of looking at things really does work well. Many known styles are hybrids of others, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, like I say, there's really no need to call an "inspired" outfit by the fashion it was inspired by. You're very free if you look at things this way. ^_^
tea.mochi
10-09-2007, 02:34 PM
Indeed I feel that its adorable. Almost like the tomboy part of lolita it seems.
tea.mochi
10-09-2007, 02:35 PM
Yeah its true. I don't know how some people can stick with only one fashion, but then again whatever floats your boat you know? lol
Kazephyr
10-09-2007, 02:38 PM
Oh pirate lolita. Here it is http://www.babyssb.co.jp/shopping/pirates/index.html. It's very cute!!!
Thanks for the link, I remembered hearing about that page somewhere, but I never checked it out until now. ^_^ It is cute. ^_^ If only I had more to spend. *sigh* ;_; Christmas is soon, at least. ^_^
Kazephyr
10-09-2007, 02:40 PM
Yeah its true. I don't know how some people can stick with only one fashion, but then again whatever floats your boat you know? lol
Some people just find something they really love, and focus on that, I suppose. ^_^ I simply love too many things, I suppose. ^_^;;
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 02:41 PM
inthestarlight.com Leah J does replica's. Or you can try sewing your own.
Petiteprincess1
10-09-2007, 02:43 PM
I never stick with one style. I dress them all.
Kazephyr
10-09-2007, 02:44 PM
inthestarlight.com Leah J does replica's. Or you can try sewing your own.
Good idea. ^_^ As for sewing my own... Looks kind of complex for me. ^_^;; I have the feeling my seams would come out looking sloppy, or something. ;_;
Kazephyr
10-09-2007, 02:50 PM
I never stick with one style. I dress them all.
That's the only thing that works for me. ^_^;;
StrawberryNinja
10-09-2007, 08:44 PM
All the questions about different styles has got me wondering now. Since there are things like wa-loli and qi-loli and hanbok-loli, would somethin like, for instance, a sari-loli work? I personally wouldn't mind trying it out, even it does turn out only loli-inspired, but would somethin like that go over well with the general loli consensus?
secretmirror180
10-09-2007, 09:23 PM
Since there are things like wa-loli and qi-loli and hanbok-loli, would somethin like, for instance, a sari-loli work? I personally wouldn't mind trying it out, even it does turn out only loli-inspired, but would somethin like that go over well with the general loli consensus?
Calling something lolita is different from calling something loli-inspired. It should be okay though.
Also, to tea.mochi, why not try casual lolita? Brands like Emily Temple Cute or Shirley Temple use lots of colors in their works (granted, some are muted) and it seems like something right up your alley.
There was a pirate lolita question, and I think I might have an answer. During the Victorian Era, the popularity of piracy was at it's peak. Think Peter Pan or even Treasure Island. Not to mention, a lot of pirate loli outfits are also Victorian Military styled.
StrawberryNinja
10-09-2007, 09:55 PM
Calling something lolita is different from calling something loli-inspired. It should be okay though.
Yeah, I know the difference, but I was curious cause ya don't really see any other culture type lolita besides the ones I named. Thanks though.
Petiteprincess1
10-10-2007, 07:53 AM
Not to be rude but hanbok loli is not a real style of lolita, sari loli could work but you have to call it Lolita inspired because it's not a actual style.
RikoBurandetsu
10-10-2007, 10:40 AM
Wow, I actually haven't replied to this one yet...
So, in response to the original question: Of course it's all right to change between styles. I myself am only a Lolita on weekends (which is fun to say, but not entirely accurate, because I do not rave in my Loli dresses or they would get sweaty and icky, and I rave on many weekends) but you should catch my drift. As a perky Goth/raver most of the time, dressing Lolita is my way of letting out the inner girl, and more importantly, showing off my extreme geekery in an incredibly adorable way. It seems to me that being able to have variety is a good skill, and anyone who can balance Lolita and other styles shouldn't be looked down on. Not everyone can afford to wear all Lolita, and not everyone would choose to. Even if I had enough Loli to wear all the time, I would still be a candy kid at night. It's just the way things are.
penny_dreadful
10-10-2007, 11:05 AM
Wow, I actually haven't replied to this one yet...
So, in response to the original question: Of course it's all right to change between styles. I myself am only a Lolita on weekends (which is fun to say, but not entirely accurate, because I do not rave in my Loli dresses or they would get sweaty and icky, and I rave on many weekends) but you should catch my drift. As a perky Goth/raver most of the time, dressing Lolita is my way of letting out the inner girl, and more importantly, showing off my extreme geekery in an incredibly adorable way. It seems to me that being able to have variety is a good skill, and anyone who can balance Lolita and other styles shouldn't be looked down on. Not everyone can afford to wear all Lolita, and not everyone would choose to. Even if I had enough Loli to wear all the time, I would still be a candy kid at night. It's just the way things are.
Yeah, even if I had the money for a vast loli wardrobe, and the ability to wear it every day, I can't imagine giving up on all the other types of clothes I like to wear. And, frankly, while it would certainly be amusing to do things like run to the supermarket in loli, it's not very practical. I need to have my jeans and lounge pants and sneakers for running around doing basic stuff in.
Besides, if you're a crafter or costumer or anything involving messy stuff, you are certainly not going to cultivate an entire wardrobe of loli when you know you need to do down and dirty things on a regular basis. That's the same reason I don't get regular manicures, because I'm not paying $20+ for nail polish and a backrub when I know two days later my nails will be a mess from all the work I do. Absolutely not a lifestyler, although I can appreciate the idea of upper-crusty leisure where you can get away with wearing those clothes because you never HAVE to do any work. It's the same concept as Chinese foot-binding, only much, much cuter and frequently less painful.
--Penny
tea.mochi
10-10-2007, 03:06 PM
Woah, hanbokloli and sariloli sound AWESOME!
And I'll look into the casual loli.
tea.mochi
10-10-2007, 03:09 PM
Woah, hanbokloli and sariloli sound AWESOME!
And I'll look into the casual loli.
WOAH casual loli is awesome!
Thanks for mentioning it.
Mangochutney
10-10-2007, 04:56 PM
Just a nitpick--the more correct term is "hanloli", not "hanbokloli". A hanbok is a specific kind of Korean dress, while 'han' denotes Korean-ness in general.
Also, on it not being 'real loli' in comparison to qi and wa, that's honestly very silly. And insulting to Koreans, no doubt. Hanloli is every bit as valid a variant on the loli form. Sari-loli would be a little more questionable, what with India not being East Asian, but would be lovely as an inspired style nonetheless.
Raenef
10-10-2007, 07:26 PM
Not to be rude but hanbok loli is not a real style of lolita, sari loli could work but you have to call it Lolita inspired because it's not a actual style.
Just a nitpick--the more correct term is "hanloli", not "hanbokloli". A hanbok is a specific kind of Korean dress, while 'han' denotes Korean-ness in general.
Also, on it not being 'real loli' in comparison to qi and wa, that's honestly very silly. And insulting to Koreans, no doubt. Hanloli is every bit as valid a variant on the loli form. Sari-loli would be a little more questionable, what with India not being East Asian, but would be lovely as an inspired style nonetheless.
*cough* ...I honestly have never seen a 'real' han-loli. I have theorized a couple outfits that could be han-loli... but I really haven't seen this style implemented anywhere. (If it does exist, does anyone have pics they want to share? Please?)
...even so, if what I think to be han-loli is not 'real' loli, then neither can wa- or qi- loli be 'real' loli since they are in essence, just an ethnic dress adapted to the style. It just wouldn't make any logical sense that wa- and qi- loli is 'real' and han- cannot be. Unless the definition of 'real' says it has to have been featured in G&L Bible or some sort of publication that acknowledges it. In which case, I say, fine, han-loli is not a 'real' loli... by those terms.
But... back on topic: I don't see why you couldn't wear lolita on occasion. The "lifestyle" is just something that can be added on. I consider lolita to be more of strict fashion than a lifestyle.
...for example, when I saw the Hwang Jin Yi cosplayer, I could tell it was not a real hanbok because the seams and shapes are a bit off. A hanbok has several rules about seams and it defines what a hanbok is. It's a great cosplay, but it simply is not a real hanbok.
And just as Koreans can wear hanboks for important events but not all the time, so lolitas can wear lolita-wear for just special occasions, as long as the lolita-wear is lolita-wear. And just as some Koreans prefer to wear hanboks all the time, so lolitas can prefer to wear lolita-wear all the time as well.
...I hope I make sense and I'm not disrupting. I'm still trying to get a good grasp on what is lolita and what is not, but I have my feelings too. ^^;;
StrawberryNinja
10-10-2007, 07:33 PM
Well I feel silly now since I seem to be so wrong on these matters. I honestly thought that hanloli(thanks fer correctin me) existed. Mea culpa.
Raenef
10-10-2007, 08:02 PM
Heehee, no need to feel silly about being wrong. ^_~ We're all wrong at some points in our lives.
Petiteprincess1
10-10-2007, 08:21 PM
I was not try to be insulting please don't take that way. BTW I am Korean. I was not trying to be insulting or anything. I was just saying it's never been done. It's loli inspired. Again I wasn't trying to be rude.
Kazephyr
10-11-2007, 09:49 AM
I never expected such a large response to my lifestyle question. ^_^ It's a relief to know that Loli without the lifestyle is just as accepted as Loli with. ^_^ I'm glad I asked now-- I initially thought I would have to give up on Lolita because I didn't want to wear it all the time. ^_^;;
tea.mochi
10-11-2007, 04:00 PM
I'm glad you asked too. Its good to get clarification on things like this.
Raenef
10-12-2007, 05:08 PM
I was not try to be insulting please don't take that way. BTW I am Korean. I was not trying to be insulting or anything. I was just saying it's never been done. It's loli inspired. Again I wasn't trying to be rude.
No, I don't take it as personal offense. ^^;; I'll start a new thread to ask the question and so not hijack this thread anymore.
Petiteprincess1
10-12-2007, 11:15 PM
I wasn't replying to you. lol Some girl said I was offensive to Koreans. For saying han-loli wasn't real. Well I think it's not real if it's never been done.
Raenef
10-16-2007, 05:46 PM
oops. my bad. ^^;; sometimes it's hard for me to tell who's talking to who. ^^;;
AyameChan
08-22-2009, 02:48 AM
About the rainbow additions discussed on page three, I'm not sure why a style can't progress. I mean, surely Guro and Ero weren't always around in the lolita style guides, so why can't another substyle be a valid lolita if done properly?
Also, holy hell the flaming in this thread is highly inappropriate. Chill luvs. <3
<3 Rainbows... T__T
sorry I'll butt out now. *scurries away*
Edit: Gomen, didn't realize this thread was 2 years old... >> oops... my response still holds true to me though...
celticfreefall
08-22-2009, 07:06 AM
This entire thread is so lol-worthy.
My comments as such: Hanbok-lolita has been done. It exists, and not everything has to fit under a tidy sub-fashion in order to be lolita. Even if there is a subcategory, I've never in my life seen anyone dressed up in qi-lolit despite it's existence as an "official" sub-category. A girl modified a hanbok into a lolita dress, very cute, though a very long time ago on EGL so I don't have the link handy. There is no such thing as fruits-loli, to my knowledge. I think you may just be thinking of deco-loli or maybe fairy-kei. Lolita isn't necessarily about "Victorian elegance" all the time. I'd hardly call super sweet OTT lolita elegant, lol. Lolita is it's own beast that combines all sorts of style aspects and borrowed aesthetics.
Edit, post found (http://community.livejournal.com/egl/10428171.html). Enjoy your hanbok-loli!
washuai
09-12-2009, 02:32 AM
Thanks, Celtic Freefall. One's fashion doesn't have to dictate lifestyle, nor vice versa and I'm glad some people have made that clear. Enjoy loli, be it fashion or lifestyle, but please enjoy being yourself, too.
Suiseiseki0284
09-21-2009, 06:03 PM
I'm considering getting my first Lolita dress.. ( or two.. or three.. or five..)
But really, I don't think I'm going to devote my entire wardrobe to it. Hah hah.. I agree with the sentiment that Washuai made: "One's fashion doesn't have to dictate lifestyle, nor vice versa and I'm glad some people have made that clear. Enjoy loli, be it fashion or lifestyle, but please enjoy being yourself, too."
I mean, my current wardrobe is "ecclectic" enough. I don't have a "style" so to speak. My clothing ranges from a tank-top and baggy jeans, Asian clothing ( Chinese dresses, an Ao Dai, etc) Dressy clothing etc etc.
One day, I may wear sweats, the next ay I may wear something fancy. In other words, my clothing for the day is what makes me happy. ^_^
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, yes?