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number18
04-30-2003, 02:18 PM
Studmaster mentioned in his con report that some people could have behaved better. I am just curious what that means. I personally never ran into any rude people, cept at the dance...and like...since AB03 was my first con, I obviously don't know what the atmospheres of other cons are like. So...some feedback? What's bad behavior at a con?

hikura
04-30-2003, 02:43 PM
Bad behavior in con is some what uncommon but still does exist.Most bad behavoir is just general bad behavior in real world not saying excuse me when needing to get by someone.Being rude or a snob.When it comes to taking pics asking is a definte plus and at least saying thank you.My personal quirks would also include(for bad behavior) not bathing,saying a costume looks horrible without it being said in a contrustive way,bumping into people and at least acknowledge that you are sorry about it,respecting other peoples space and property.Every day things that some people forget are rude.Overall these are rude.

wacko
04-30-2003, 03:25 PM
Why again do people get so offensive of people taking pictures of them? Honestly, I don't really know. I just walk around in costume having my own fun, and if someone wanted to get a picture of me having fun, I don't know why they'd ask. I suppose there are some ... issues that come into play. About the etiquette: Yeah, I think I know what you meant about the dance- that was a rather disappointing moment. Other than that, I have no idea what he's talking about, because I met so many nice people there, I love all you guys

johnnyfoodmaste
04-30-2003, 04:12 PM
The only rude person I ran into was one of the Staff. She gave me super attitude when I was making sure I was in the right line since I had already registered. Blech.

Aside from that, all the people I met were super-cool. Too bad I didn't meet more people.

Kairi_Drifter
04-30-2003, 04:26 PM
yeah that one staff member that kept yelling at us for sitting on the table was rude...it was rather irritating...but overall everyone there was kool, like at most cons

Koumori
04-30-2003, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by wacko
Why again do people get so offensive of people taking pictures of them? Honestly, I don't really know. I just walk around in costume having my own fun, and if someone wanted to get a picture of me having fun, I don't know why they'd ask. I suppose there are some ... issues that come into play. About the etiquette: Yeah, I think I know what you meant about the dance- that was a rather disappointing moment. Other than that, I have no idea what he's talking about, because I met so many nice people there, I love all you guys

I prefer to be asked for my picture because I like to be able to present a good image: to pose and smile and maybe say hello. If someone's taking my image I'd like to make it as nice an image as possible. I always feel a little insulted when I spot someone sneak up, take a picture of me when I'm not looking, and then run away.

sailor-moon
04-30-2003, 05:25 PM
the only person that was rude was a staff member XD other than that, the cosplayers were very well behaved!!::claps::

allo
04-30-2003, 07:39 PM
the only rude person i encountered was someone in a really nice costume, but when i tried to talk to them or ask em for a picture, they ran away :p, also, especially in the dealers room, there was a major problem with cleansliness (sp?)... i think *wear deoderant* should be a rule... ::shrugs:: but i met tons of nice people anyway :)

number18
04-30-2003, 07:56 PM
oh. so general etiquette i guess. I don't think I had one bad experience...maybe with the masquerade coordinator being overly brief with me when I was trying to ask about participating, but that was it. I didn't notice anyone bumping into me without excusing themselves...and I HATE that, so I am glad. I guess actually the only OTHER thing that was semi-annoying was one girl asked for a picture of 17 and I and like...while we were adjusting ourselves she took the picture, instead of waiting for us to be ready and give a good pose. I guess she was excited? :/

wacko
04-30-2003, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by Koumori
I prefer to be asked for my picture because I like to be able to present a good image: to pose and smile and maybe say hello. If someone's taking my image I'd like to make it as nice an image as possible. I always feel a little insulted when I spot someone sneak up, take a picture of me when I'm not looking, and then run away.

You're right. I was waiting in line for the Dealer's room and someone just took a picture of me there, with my head turned around. But as for actually getting my picture taken, I don't think I would say no to anyone.

Saiban
04-30-2003, 09:59 PM
Off topic madness. But during Friday afternoon, after I got my badge someone asked me for my picture. I wasnt dressed up as any character (atleast I dont think I was) But they said it was original and it was very clever.

I had my hair spiked, my wire frame glasses, a red T shirt, with a black calvin klein jacket with the sleeves rolled up, along with a big bead necklace, blue jeans, and my red DC shoes. It was weird. What charactercould that be. I didnt pose or anything like that I just kinda frowned... any idea's?

JacksUsername
04-30-2003, 10:43 PM
er.....i hope people didnt' think I was rude if I didn't talk too much .... my sideburns were falling off everytime I talked, so I was kind've of quiet on Friday...plus after the Clubhouse, my spirit gum broke in my bag and got all over my claws, comb, and other touch up stuff, so I was kind've in a rush to clean in out and probably gave off some negative vibes on that day. So sorry if anyone took offense to anything, :)

As far as other people go, I got a lecture from one person on how Wolverine isn't anime and I could've done more to make him look more in that style....other than that, I had no probs.

er...Saiban, can't really think of any character they would've been thinking of. But I asked for some pictures of people who werent' dressed up on purpose just to see how everyone was having a good time.

Lilli
05-01-2003, 12:00 AM
._. While it's true that Wolverine/X-men isn't anime, neither is Monty Python, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Space Ghost, or "X" other number of random cosplays I've been witness to at anime cons.

Not saying that makes any of it right, (I sorta do believe in anime/manga/etc themed cosplay for an Anime event, but where do you draw the line? I also love JRock cosplay, but it's not anime either... Despite some of their costumes appearances ^-~) but it was rude for someone to outright lecture you, and tell you that you should have made yourself look more anime-ish. I thought you were a really good Wolverine XD

hikura
05-01-2003, 12:21 AM
Techinally speaking while in the truest sense wolverine(or x-men) is not manga/japanese anime(now it is cause they are doing it over in japan as manga) who cares.I mean you go to cons to have fun PERIOD.I really thought JacksUsername costume was kicakss.I really liked his costume.Be in fact he was my first picture of the con.Like i said in my post i think if you want to say something about someones costume and what your going to say is "negative" there is a correct way to do it.To do it any other way is rude and you need to grwo up.
And jacksusername i think you really should be proud of that costume it was great.You did a damn great job.

kris
05-01-2003, 12:26 AM
Some people are shy-- or they think they are ugly-- or they are very serious about pictures-- or they simple want to know who has an image of them (in Japan, some pervert will shadow girls and take a lot of pictures to use on a porn site or for "personal use" O_O;; )

I dont think it is polite to take a picture without asking. After all-- if you enjoy the costume, you should be nice enough to say so in person ^-^/

I get mad if someone photographs me without consent, because I just want to know who has my picture. If not, its real creepy!!! And how do I know how they are going to use it??

chocoborancher
05-01-2003, 12:39 AM
I normally don't take pictures without consent (it's bad for publicity) Normally after I take a picture, I would present a buisiness card with the URL of the site that it will be placed on. This way the cosplayer knows where the picture can be found (and may have it removed if they wish to)

I have also found that presenting cards is a very good way to add a bit of professional touch with the whole experience of convention photography.

Bell-chan
05-01-2003, 12:42 AM
I know what you mean, kris! Even when one photographer asked for my permission, I thought it was creepy that he kept aiming his camera lower..and lower @_@

lialia
05-01-2003, 10:40 AM
well i didnt mind posing for pictures but when me and my friend were listening to someone speack in a panel there was this one guy who literally crawled on his hands and knees thru the chairs and got pics of us a la the paparazzi. i mean come on and then a few minutes later some guy tried to get us out of our seats right in the middle of a discussion.

is this normal or not? honestly i would think that it would be standard to leave cosplayers alone if hey are attending a panel

JacksUsername
05-01-2003, 11:22 AM
thanks for the kind words hikura!

yah, as far as the whole thing goes, my main objective is to have fun. I'm trying to do more anime costumes for Otakon and leaning away from American movies, and I can understand why some people would rather keep it all anime. But I just see it as a great oppurtunity to cosplay in general, and not be genre specific, but either way, I still had fun :)

That's kind've weird Lialia that people would do that in the middle of a panel. This was my first con, so I don't know how frequently that happens, but you'd think if they're attending a panel, they could at least respect the speakers.

The card thing is a really good idea chocoborancher. :)

Something Lulu
05-01-2003, 12:46 PM
I really prefer it if people ask to take a picture, or take one while I'm already posing for others. (This usually happens when a whole group stops for a picture, and ppl with cameras come out of nowhere, and your face starts to hurt from smiling lol. But those are fun.)

There was one guy who I kept seeing - I think on Friday and Saturday - and every time he saw me he'd lift his camera and just click. Sometimes not even looking through it! And there'd be people in the way and stuff. It was very shady. A few times when I saw him I'd smile, because I knew he was taking a picture, but he'd just snap it and fade into the crowd. @_@ It was kinda creepy... So I hear you on the paparazzi thing, lialia. I mean, we're not celebrities! We're normal people wearing costumes, and all you have to do is ask for a picture. We're not going to sic our bodyguards on you lol.

Michieru
05-01-2003, 12:49 PM
Yeah, I had to deal with some real jerks too! Some of the volunteers were rude to me on the first day when I was trying to find out which way to go to the pre-reg line to get my badge. On Saturday night as I was about to leave, I was trying to tell my friend to hurry up before we miss the train that was going to take us back to Worcester, he was cursing and yelling at me at the top of his lungs and stormed off without me. I was completely shocked and yet tried my best to stay calm. Never in my entire life had I ever been so totally humiliated in front of everyone else in my entire life. I started yelling at him that why doesn't he act like his age instead of his shoe size for once! That's the last time I ever bring him to this convention with me. Even to this day I could still feel the scars of humiliation from that night.

BlueLady
05-01-2003, 12:54 PM
I once had someone that started up a conversation with another person while standing on the train of my dress. Then the bastard gave me attitude when I nicely interrupted him to get off my dress. I was like , " hey" next time i could just shove you as hard as I can to get you off. Cosplayers themselves are mostly well behaved because they know the work that goes into the costumes.

Claireon
05-01-2003, 08:26 PM
Well, there are times when I want to get a candid picture... well, like if the person is all the way across the room, or on another level of the building from me, etc, and there's no way I can get to them ^^ or if they're doing something funny for their character, like at a sci-fi event when I saw a Count Dooku caringly adjusting Darth Maul's cowl (turned out to be a father-daughter team! :p)... Or if I'm taking a picture of, say, the line for registration, I'm not going to ask every single person in the hall. And there, the whole point is that it's an unposed picture of the *scene*. Of course I try to be considerate and don't take individual shots of people close-up without asking... I mean, who *wants* to get pictures that were obviously taken in a stalkerly way anyway? (if you have like ten pictures of one person and in *none* of them are they facing you or posing?)

But in general I do feel a bit like... People could legally take pictures of you walking down the street if they wanted. When you cosplay especially you're putting yourself on public display. I don't really care if people take pictures of me, because... I mean, hell, they *saw* me anyway. I guess if they took pictures of an especially raunchy costume and then showed them to my employer or something :p But generally the picture is no more than anybody at the con could have seen anyway...

wacko
05-01-2003, 09:29 PM
Well said. The stalkerish might have a few problems of their own, but worrying about other people taking your picture(not that that's wrong) is your own choice, and you would have to deal with it.

Koumori
05-02-2003, 07:48 AM
It's not the taking of my picture that I object to; it's just that there are more and less polite ways of doing so, and I prefer the more polite ones.

number18
05-02-2003, 02:26 PM
Hmm, Kris, I saw some very raunchy pictures taken of a Japanese Morrigan and Lilith cosplayer from Darkstalkers...but it was obvious the girls were giving out some fan service on purpose.

Anyways, there was this guy at the con that I heard in the lobby...I was about to walk past him when he was seemingly taking a picture and he said oh no, I like to take candid shots. He seemed to be taking candid shots of evil_neko, which I thought was a little weird. He had one of those big, typical pro photographer cameras on him and she was like a couple feet away, so I didn't think it was TOO weird. Damn, I guess I shulda told you about that, evil_neko.

Someone yelled to take my picture from the lobby while I was on the balcony. I would've gladly come down for the girl, but she seemed fine with taking the shot from down below. I wonder how it turned out.

As for this whole lecture on you not cosplaying an anime character, JacksUsername...pft, what crap. How exactly should you have made the costume look anime in the first place? Make an X-Men Evolution version or something (btw, I HAAAAAAAATE that show!!!!! >.<!!!!!!)?

Tribble
05-02-2003, 04:09 PM
I think i rember the candid shot guy from the clubhouse meeting too, does anyone else?
As far as pictures go, for the handfull of people that actually recognized me, i was asked for a picture. No real rudeness in that categorty.
The only thing that irked me at one point was that when i was going down into the dungeon one of the voulenteers in about a group of 5 just yelled to me "hey, your wig sucks man!". I was a bit irritated but when 2 others in the group looked shocked and said, "thats a wig?" i felt a bit less annoyed. I guess some people just feel obliged to be arses. From what I've noticed, most people do it just to look better infront of their buddies, and if not then to make up for their own ego.
To Jack, like i said above, some people feel obliged to try to force their opinion on other people. Wolverine fit in there just as much as any given character from a game.

kris
05-02-2003, 08:43 PM
Some girls are paid to cosplay for porn sites in Japan. There is even cosplay porno movies. But again-- it is their choice. They were asked in this case... and they are paid.

It is not always the case.

kitty_neko
05-02-2003, 08:53 PM
all in all it was fine, since ive never been to a con where i left thinking "ick, there were a bunch of people that were so rude!" but thats just me...
except it is kinda annoying/scary when people just walk up, snap a picture, and walk away, without a single word. o_O;;

(i also found a picture where theres a guy in the backgroud caught in the act of taking a picture of our asses x_x!)

watariyutaka
05-03-2003, 01:41 AM
I have no problem posing for picture when people ask... I posed for a LOT at this convention...but when someone would walk by as I'm talking to my friends and randomly snap a picture where my mouth is open or I'm making a weird face, I'd get pretty angry. I mean, we were standing in line for the dealers room (we weren't going anywhere anytime soon) and I just see a flash and I wanna see who's taking pictures and this guy has a camera right on me. I consider that pretty rude. After the first couple times, if I saw a camera on me without permission, I started giving the finger as they took the picture.

PaRappaSan
05-03-2003, 01:46 AM
kitty_neko: That is awful! This was at AB03? This was my first anime con and I took a few pictures but i made sure I ASKED every single person I wanted to photograph if I could. Thankfully everyone there was very cool and had really great costumes.

Priss
05-13-2003, 02:05 AM
I don't mind people taking candid pictures of me, I cosplayed because I want people to notice me. So as long as they don't take pictures of my undies or anything that will disgrace my image I'm cool. But if ever someone cross the line in the future, that person will feel my knuckle blow punch everywhere and that's a promise. :D