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RoMayDrako
07-05-2007, 01:25 AM
Dear weird Naruto fans,

I have to say something, for I work now for the "happiest" place on earth for a year now. It may seem like the ideal place to cosplay. With all the happy atmosphere, fauna and all that. Even the scenery changes from land to land.

But please people, stop, it was funny around Halloween, it is now the fourth of July get over it. We (my section of) at the "happiest" place on earth have a new name for you guys 'Nargooks'.

'Nargooks' are groups of people in poor or mundane Naruto costumes that wander around the "happiest" place on earth. Day in day out, over and over again with there little buddies. 'Nargooks' you don't ever try with your costumes

(Even guests won't go near you)

Now don't get me wrong dear dear Naruto fans, I enjoy the series, and there's nothing wrong cosplaying in public. All I ask is for you to straiten up your costume, look decent, represent. Don't make it look like you made the costume out of a 99 cent store.

So in parting, I hope for all you 'Nargooks' you either stop, or clean up. I hope to see in in the future paying high prices at my store. Once you look nice the name will leave you. I'm certain there are a lot of nice people around here who could help you with your costume.

Sincerely

RMD

UrMastrInuYasha
07-05-2007, 03:06 AM
Wow. All I have to say is WTF.

Oshi
07-05-2007, 03:07 AM
I love you.

UrMastrInuYasha
07-05-2007, 03:37 AM
LOL, I haven't even cosplayed Naruto yet, And it seems like I won't know, Because, it's to damn over done, When I was originally going to do him, There wasn't anyone doing him. Next year.. and BOOM! billions of them.

I agree with you though, I am abit tired of seeing the boot leg cosplays, While, I see nothing wrong with supporting the series and wearing the "Cosplay" items Hot Topic/wal-mart, etc sells, But for the love of god, Stop calling yourselfs cosplayers... heh.

sorry. uhh

believe it.

yea.

I said that.

cactusmomma
07-05-2007, 04:35 AM
Bob bless you! It's bad enough that over half of the parents there think all cosplayers are porn fanatical freaks...at least make yourself look presentable and clean-cut.

And seconding the emotion to Drako: I love you.

Mesoian
07-05-2007, 10:49 AM
The correct term is "Narutards".

And yes, there are hundreds upon hundreds of them. I'd suggest you just get used to it. Your particular establishment is a rather large beacon to those attending in costume, even though it's particularly against the rules.

Spetsnaz
07-05-2007, 02:08 PM
I'm really confused at this post. Is it aimed at poor cosplay or the attitudes of "Narutards?"

Maybe there are some people out there who can not afford or have the time to make a great costume. So they just put some basics together and wear it. There are many cosplayers like that.

For example, Metal Gear Solid. There are many upon many cosplayers out there that do not even post on here, but they come to conventions with some woodland camo, a ski mask, a vest and a toy gun or airsoft gun with a ! above their head and declare themselves a Metal Gear Solid guard.

Honestly, as a person who exclusively cosplays "Generic bad guys" from Metal Gear, I could go insane and rant like you did here declaring how their costumes are poor and mine is superior because it's accurate.

There's a term for that, and it's called elitism. And, I definately believe this forum is not an elitist hangout. I strongly oppose elitism, we have enough cosplayers out there that do it, and no, names do not need to be mentioned because they know who they are, most of us know who they are, so why bother.

Sure, there are people out there who do not make themselves look the greatest. Unless they pull off the vibes that they are doing it ON PURPOSE AS A PRANK or just trying to be stupid on purpose, let them go! I will just as gladly pose in a picture with those guys I mentioned above in the gear as much as I would love to pose in a picture of someone who cosplays Snake to the greatest of accuracy. It's all part of the fun, and I love meeting new people and those who like the game series. I could care less how their costume looks. Unless they are doing it on purpose as an insult to our community, I see no problem in it. Some people have no time, no money, and are less artistic than others.

hojou
07-05-2007, 05:20 PM
It's a phase in cosplay. It use to be inuyasha back in the day. It will pass and something new crapy anime will take the cosplay thing by storm.

VerdantGuardian
07-05-2007, 07:35 PM
hm...I'm on both sides here (spetsnaz and RoMayDraco). yeah I can understand that not everyone has money/time and they still have the right to cosplay and have just as much fun as everyone else. even myself...I don't have the funds to really buy fabric that's over $7 a yard and I do work and have classes so it's not like I can just work on my costume whenever I want. (yay for being a poor college student)

but that doesn't mean I'm not going to put any effort into my costumes and I do get tired of all the naruto cheapie looking cosplays out there. it's not that I think every costume has to look perfect...but after seeing the 1002nd naruto cosplayer that just put things together in 2 hours that they dragged out of their grandmother's closet, it's like...come on! atleast put SOME feeling into it. throwing on a sweatshirt and a naruto headband and calling your sasuke...is that really cosplay? I guess it just makes me feel jealous that people can get away with something like that while I had to put weeks and weeks worth of effort into my costume.

xXKujaXx
07-05-2007, 10:57 PM
It's a phase in cosplay. It use to be inuyasha back in the day. It will pass and something new crapy anime will take the cosplay thing by storm.
Naruto Is around to stay for a while. The series isn't even finished yet and with it now airing domestically the younger generation will be picking up on it. Besides, the reason it's so popular is because it's a really good show >_>

I think Kingdom Hearts and Bleach are the next two trends that are going to die off, KH first, Bleach eventually but it's still coming out with new stuff too.

CreativeGuy
07-05-2007, 11:48 PM
I'm 100% not a fan of Naruto. But Nargooks? That's probably not the best thing to call a group of people. Has a bit of racism to it, but maybe you didn't know that. Just a heads up.

If you do know that, well.... :-/ we really don't need that kind of crap.

Karisu-sama
07-06-2007, 02:33 AM
I'm 100% not a fan of Naruto. But Nargooks? That's probably not the best thing to call a group of people. Has a bit of racism to it, but maybe you didn't know that. Just a heads up.

If you do know that, well.... :-/ we really don't need that kind of crap.
Yo, RoMayDrako: "gook" is a really racist, derogatory term for "Asian". Please do not use it on these boards.

And BTW, I am wondering; WHY bother to let yourself get upset if a Naruto fan simply demonstrates their love of their fandom by wearing a headband and a random assortment of clothes that look vaguely like the character? They may not even consider it an actual full "cosplay" themselves, you know, but they are entitled to enjoy themselves by dressing as they wish within the acceptable bounds of social decency laws and the rules of the venue. Certainly their behavior appears to actually hurt nobody.

If you find their behavior silly, why not simply skim over them, as one does the rest of the scenery, and merely bestow your appreciative full attention on a cosplayer who actually has a costume you like? No need to "get yer panties in a bunch", as they say. ^^ It's not necessary to get an ulcer over such a truly trivial thing.

Shukakachi
07-08-2007, 05:21 PM
I love the Naruto series but SERIOUSLY! these people really do need to stop it with Naruto cosplaying in public unless at a convention or a specially hosted event. As for the cosplay thing dieing, there's a slight chance it will but not for awile. One cosplay I'm definitly sick of is Sailor Moon, that one is just testing my nerve. By the way RoMayDrako, is it like an event these Narutards are going to or is it like everyday they show up cosplaying at this place you call the "happiest" place on earth?

Amechan
07-08-2007, 11:54 PM
I love Naruto! I've followed it since my first convention (AWA 9 - 2003) back when it was still a fan-sub. I have nothing against Naruto cosplayers.

The only thing that irks me is BAD Naruto cosplay, because it gives the series, and all other Naruto fans/cosplayers a bad name.

When someone trys to cosplay as a Naruto character and their costume is BAD (and I mean it's God awful, like a t-shirt and duck-tape awful, while wearing tennis shoes) I can't feel anything other than offended.

I see nothing wrong with random ninja/OC character ninja cosplays. I find that it's far better for someone to make their own character instead of making an incredibly bad cosplay of a pre-existing character. Better yet, I love when people do parody costumes! I'd love to see a group of Sailor Scout "Narutards".

And further note: I see nothing wrong with cosplaying whenever and where ever the hell they want to. It's a free country.

Honey Usagi-chi
07-09-2007, 12:18 AM
I love the Naruto series but SERIOUSLY! these people really do need to stop it with Naruto cosplaying in public unless at a convention or a specially hosted event. As for the cosplay thing dieing, there's a slight chance it will but not for awile. One cosplay I'm definitly sick of is Sailor Moon, that one is just testing my nerve. By the way RoMayDrako, is it like an event these Narutards are going to or is it like everyday they show up cosplaying at this place you call the "happiest" place on earth?
I went to Wal-mart in my Hikaru costume, after walgreens mysteriously was "closed" (customers were in there ;p). I got the craziest looks but why does it matter what society thinks? Anyway, onto the point, I think RoMayDrako's post was trying to get people to stop posting half-assed Naruto cosplay as it degrades the name of cosplay. I'm not a Naruto Fan myself, I stopped watching it in June-August 2004, but I don't like that overall. People shouldn't throw random things together and waltz up here with an attitude.

Uhm.....what do you mean by you're sick of Sailor Moon? Like Beverly & Sarcasm-hime said "People say it's easy to do a Sailor Moon cosplay but it's not easy to do it well" It's not terribly easy to do it if you're a beginner, but I've seen some really well done cosplays. If what you're mad at is people who cosplay Sailor Moon horribly, alot of people choose it as their first, and you should consider that.

RoMayDrako
07-09-2007, 01:22 AM
I have no probs with cheap costumes, look at mine. All cost under 40, it's, well lets just say. When people rather hang with the freaky goth people then the narutards, I like that fraze better. ::holds head:: it's hard to exsplain if you never seen these guys at Dis- er- the "happiest place on earth"

Honey Usagi-chi
07-09-2007, 02:02 AM
I have no probs with cheap costumes, look at mine. All cost under 40, it's, well lets just say. When people rather hang with the freaky goth people then the narutards, I like that fraze better. ::holds head:: it's hard to exsplain if you never seen these guys at Dis- er- the "happiest place on earth"
I didn't mean cheap, I meant "half-assed". I try to keep my costumes as low-budget as possible :] By chance do you mean the happiest place on earth is at a crack house or something?

DaBossKnight
07-09-2007, 03:24 AM
Wow, that's strange. I was told people are not allowed to cosplay there for any reason what so ever.

sephygoth
07-09-2007, 12:14 PM
Wow, that's strange. I was told people are not allowed to cosplay there for any reason what so ever.

quite true, look at pg 1, mesoian post

besides the fact that some put only a lil effort into cosplay anyway, based on your resoning, shouldnt you feel a little more accomplished with "under $40" cosplays if others are rag-tagging it? Maybe they just want to join the group and are not going for awards persay.
ie
Let em
naruto is extremely popular, the cosplays can resemble regular clothing pretty well(hence close ratio of fan and cosplayer fan). So at Disney, even if they have similar clothing type(orange "jump suit" say) will they be kicked out? If I wore a neji-like outfit, would I be booted for having long hair, sandals, or just LOOKING like a character.
some cosplays are based on regular clothing(high school uniform say). as EASY as I think it is, its still cosplay in combination, and in public many people overlook that/don't realize.
You are touchy because ...you are aware. Not to be a serious jerk, but are a lil too touchy. At least you can relate to those who visit your workplace ya?

RoMayDrako
07-10-2007, 08:13 PM
I'm trying not to state my work place for the trigger happiness on firing people if they feel we are "representing them" even though were not. I work for the mouse, if you don't get that then well, I can't give you any other term.

And I am not complaining cause I'm trying to be a jerk, or not understanding, it's just because it's disturbing other people trying to be on vacation. They stand out more then the other cosplayers I do see.

It just at times to many people can do it over and over and over, and you just have to begin to wonder after a time if the people dressing up as naruto have actually seen the series. There's little thought or care. And treating the leaf village as if it's a big street gang to represent ::holds head:: Lets just dodge going into that one.

klytaemnestra
07-10-2007, 08:58 PM
quite true, look at pg 1, mesoian post

besides the fact that some put only a lil effort into cosplay anyway, based on your resoning, shouldnt you feel a little more accomplished with "under $40" cosplays if others are rag-tagging it? Maybe they just want to join the group and are not going for awards persay.
ie
Let em
naruto is extremely popular, the cosplays can resemble regular clothing pretty well(hence close ratio of fan and cosplayer fan). So at Disney, even if they have similar clothing type(orange "jump suit" say) will they be kicked out? If I wore a neji-like outfit, would I be booted for having long hair, sandals, or just LOOKING like a character.
some cosplays are based on regular clothing(high school uniform say). as EASY as I think it is, its still cosplay in combination, and in public many people overlook that/don't realize.
You are touchy because ...you are aware. Not to be a serious jerk, but are a lil too touchy. At least you can relate to those who visit your workplace ya?

According to one of my friends who recently went to Disney World and dressed up as Roxas there wasn't any problem at all with her cosplaying there. She and her friends asked some of the personnel there and the only thing they really seem to have an issue with are people dressing up as Disney characters such as one of the princesses -- which I think is kind of stupid and lame because I have no idea if this applies to children as well who might want to dress as Cinderella at the park, but whatever.

Moving along ... As for the OP and the disdain toward Naruto cosplayers. Yes, it's popular. The first con I went to there was a seller in artist alley who was selling the headbands and you have dozens of people walking around wearing them and pretending they were cosplaying Naturo all the while the only person I saw actually cosplaying the series commented how she seriously thought she was the only one there who was in Naruto cosplay and not plainclothes and the headband and it was sadly true.

Naruto falls into the category of cosplay that you will see a lot of it at cons, but like any other popular cosplay there aren't going to be many out there who do it justice because it's popular and seen as easy. I have friends who were cosplaying Kingdom Hearts before it became really popular as far as cosplay and they're still some of the best out there because they put time and effort into it before everyone just decided it was the new it thing to do.

But, I do think cosplay should be for fun and that maybe you shouldn't take it too seriously. I know I'm pretty elitist in my own right about my own cosplay, but some people just can't do it as well. As long as there's some effort I don't see why there's a problem.

Now, if they're acting like children and being obnoxious that ruins everything for everyone and I could understand your annoyance ... but maybe using the term 'gooks' isn't really the best thing. As stated before it is a racial slur and shouldn't be tolerated any more than other racial slurs. It's pretty rude, especially considering cosplay in general comes from Asia.

I understand you're frustrated, but maybe lighten up a little.

Honey Usagi-chi
07-10-2007, 09:51 PM
I hate it when people cosplay the new "it". Like FFVII, Naruto, Bleach...seems to me anything on CN markets everyone. It gets so popular that the quality I'll have to admit isn't eye-gazing, because alot of people throw something together to fit in with the "it". It's like a nasty fad. I'm trying to save my KH cosplay for a few years from now, so that it'd be a teeny more original. I played KH 1 before it was the "it", way before.

If that's what you're upset about, I sympathize but I agree, tone it down a little...

Aleze
07-11-2007, 06:45 AM
I hate it when people cosplay the new "it". Like FFVII, Naruto, Bleach...seems to me anything on CN markets everyone. It gets so popular that the quality I'll have to admit isn't eye-gazing, because alot of people throw something together to fit in with the "it". It's like a nasty fad. I'm trying to save my KH cosplay for a few years from now, so that it'd be a teeny more original. I played KH 1 before it was the "it", way before.

If that's what you're upset about, I sympathize but I agree, tone it down a little...

But cosplaying the new "it" is fun. After all a big draw to cosplay is wearing costumes that other people recognize and are excited about. One of the reasons that I chose to cosplay Midna for AX was the popularity of the Zelda series. I knew that not only would I have a great time making and wearing a costume of a character that I love, but also that most of my friends and lots of random people at AX would be delighted to see me do it. What's the problem with that? Isn't that true for you too?

Shukakachi
07-11-2007, 05:50 PM
I went to Wal-mart in my Hikaru costume, after walgreens mysteriously was "closed" (customers were in there ;p). I got the craziest looks but why does it matter what society thinks? Anyway, onto the point, I think RoMayDrako's post was trying to get people to stop posting half-assed Naruto cosplay as it degrades the name of cosplay. I'm not a Naruto Fan myself, I stopped watching it in June-August 2004, but I don't like that overall. People shouldn't throw random things together and waltz up here with an attitude.

Uhm.....what do you mean by you're sick of Sailor Moon? Like Beverly & Sarcasm-hime said "People say it's easy to do a Sailor Moon cosplay but it's not easy to do it well" It's not terribly easy to do it if you're a beginner, but I've seen some really well done cosplays. If what you're mad at is people who cosplay Sailor Moon horribly, alot of people choose it as their first, and you should consider that.

Opps, looks like I bit the bullet and stept on a landmine. I don't mean anything bad about it, just that I'm a little sick of seeing the same old thing everytime! Even if it's the same series, at least people could add there own personal touches to the costumes, and sorry if I affended anyone, I was just expressing how I felt at that moment and had no intention of direspect....ok I'm going to go listen to Gazette now.

Honey Usagi-chi
07-11-2007, 09:06 PM
Ohhhhh, I get it. Sorry if I came off a little offensively x3


But cosplaying the new "it" is fun. After all a big draw to cosplay is wearing costumes that other people recognize and are excited about. One of the reasons that I chose to cosplay Midna for AX was the popularity of the Zelda series. I knew that not only would I have a great time making and wearing a costume of a character that I love, but also that most of my friends and lots of random people at AX would be delighted to see me do it. What's the problem with that? Isn't that true for you too?
I get where you're coming from, but Zelda has been continuously popular. xD There's not necessarily a problem with that, but when I went to AF 06 there wasn't really a variety, nearly every person was from KH 2 or FFVII. I only saw about 10 people that cosplayed something else. It gets "bland" in a way, right? It's not really the fad itself, but I do like to see different things. I chose Imp Midna (GCN) because it hasn't really shown up so that I could try something a little different, kinda like you xD (Man I can't wait to start on it!)

uptownkelly
07-11-2007, 10:50 PM
She and her friends asked some of the personnel there and the only thing they really seem to have an issue with are people dressing up as Disney characters such as one of the princesses -- which I think is kind of stupid and lame because I have no idea if this applies to children as well who might want to dress as Cinderella at the park, but whatever.


Children under the age of 9 are welcome (and encouraged!) to come to both Dland and Dworld in character costume. The main concern here is that a child will think that a cosplayer is the "real thing" (a dland castmember hired to play the part, take pics with them, etc.) if the cosplay is rude and shrugs them off, and the child and their parents are under the impression this is a dland employee, they could complain, etc etc.
Children under the age of 9 are obviously not old enough to be Dland employees, so that's why they are ok.
I must say though, when I went to Dland for Halloween, dressed as Belle, with my boyfriend as Aladdin, they let us sneak in (perhaps because we are annual passholders?) anyways, everyone was very nice, and I made sure that the little girls running after me screaming "BELLE!!!" got the attention they would from a Dland castmember. :)
so that's the deal with that

uptownkelly
07-11-2007, 11:09 PM
oh, and to the OP, how old are these people?
When I was 12 (8 years ago...) I made (pieced together haphazardly) an absolutely awful Sailor Chibi Moon costume. I have a picture of it... it's really, really bad. white leotard, white skirt (lacking in pink stripes on the bottom), the bow was safety pinned on, i didnt have a collar, and instead of pink boots, i had white sneakers worn with pink leg warmers. awful.
but, I was 12 and I did it on my own. and I had an amazing time.
Point being, if these are adults, ok, be a little annoyed, yes, it is lame. but if it's a preteen or a kid, let them have a little fun! they'll laugh at themselves later, they don't need you laughing at them now :P

Tobias Night
07-12-2007, 02:17 AM
This is really sounding like one of those Animaniac episodes with the "Good Idea, Bad Idea" segment in it.

Karisu-sama
07-12-2007, 03:32 AM
And while I originally discovered this thread because an offensive term was reported (which I responded to), I have since noticed that the thread is actually off-topic for "Usergroup Discussion and Recruitment."

So: closed.