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Ka.GAMI
01-02-2008, 10:34 PM
[Note: This is copied from my post on the SakuraCon forums]


Now, I know that Freeway Park(the park behind the convention center) is a pretty park for the most part, and it has a bit of homeless people living in it, but that's not the issue. I am friends with some people that hang out behind the convention center. Most of them are teenagers that live on the streets, and they're usually under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Although they are my friends, I feel the need to warn you guys to not piss them off. These kids do get violent from time to time. They hang out under the bridge and on the path to the waterfall, so I'd be careful going back there. I know they cut through the convention center to get from downtown Seattle to the park, but they wouldn't do anything there, even when drunk or on whatever.

If any of you begin to think that they wouldn't be there when there's a large crowd of people, then you're sorely mistaken. I was at PAX '07 and I was sitting outside when I saw one of them. My friend was rather drunk, and I lead him back under the bridge where there were about six more people that were not exactly sober. And they do indeed have weapons- while I was there watching my friends drink, they were playing with the knives they kept because well, they're homeless kids that sleep under bridges(that don't include the bridge in Freeway Park).

So please, don't anger them, because they're most likely not sober. I don't want to hear about anyone in the convention getting stabbed and/or jumped, nor do I want to hear that one of my friends did it.

^-^;;

-Buttercup-chan[Kagami]

Edit;; Of course, this is if they're still there by SakuraCon. I saw them there still about two weeks ago.

StrawberryLum
01-03-2008, 12:04 AM
Ok, this is sort of weird. Why not just get your friends help? People really shouldn't have to worry about "angering" your drunken juvienile friends.
This also seems sort of threatening. If your friends are teenagers then they need to be in a home, and if they're threatening people with knives, sober or otherwise, then they belong in jail.

livengood
01-03-2008, 12:13 AM
No kidding. How about doing the attendants a favor and report these kids to the cops. They need to be removed from the area. You know they're a potential threat to attendants, any other innocent people. They may be your supposed friends, but what's going to happen if they end up doing something to an innocent person who by chance, didn't know or get to read this thread?

Kumi-chan
01-03-2008, 12:38 AM
Agreed. I'm sorry your friends have problems, but the rest of us should not have to deal with the effects of their substance abuse. There will be children at the con, for goodness sake. If you know your friends are armed and under the influence, well, it's your responsibility to do the right thing.

hi.to.ri
01-03-2008, 01:44 AM
i think many convention goers will be fairly armed too...replica knives/swords/etc. run rampant in the merch section. o.o

and I'm sure your friends won't be quite as troublesome as after-dark downtown LA is going to be for AX'08...

Ka.GAMI
01-03-2008, 07:01 AM
I, personally, could never report them to the police, but I'm sure they have been reported before. These are my friends- with or without their substance abuse. They've taken care of me, and I couldn't call the cops on them. I don't know if they have or would threaten someone with weaponry, I'm just saying to be careful because they are armed and they are alcoholics- so their motives may be rather obscured when drunk. I'm not saying that you shouldn't go into Freeway Park, I'm saying to try not to do anything to annoy them.

This also seems sort of threatening. If your friends are teenagers then they need to be in a home ...

They have good reasons to not be in their homes. They weren't spoiled brats who couldn't get what they wanted so they ran away. Most of their parents had substance abuse as well. Some of them might've been kicked out, some of them may indeed have run away. And some of them may be old enough to have a home(they're not ALL teenagers, in fact- the majority probably aren't), but they can't support it because they either can't keep a job or some other reason.

... and I'm sure your friends won't be quite as troublesome as after-dark downtown LA is going to be for AX'08...

And that, is very true. ^-^ Thank you for putting that out there.

Eurobeat King
01-03-2008, 04:35 PM
I don't go out to that park during the evenings, mainly because it's too dark to take pictures out there, and my hotel is located in front of the convention center.

I do use some areas in the park for photoshoots, but have yet to encounter any problems. A couple of times my friends and I have been pestered by the homeless people who wander around, but other than having an odor/stench problem, they usually go about their way.

This year if your friends are there and they bother me while I'm doing photoshoots, like harass my cosplayer friends, I won't confront them directly but if need be, I'll use my weapon: my camera, and take a picture of them which I can use to report to park security, convention center staff, or the police. (Ever notice all those "panic" buttons located around the park to call for security? Wonder if anybody's ever used them before during S-con) :razz:

I'm not the guy to cause or look for trouble, but I certainly will do something (if not directly) to anybody who causes problems for me when I'm trying to enjoy my convention.

AX and Sakuracon are two different conventions, but all conventions have those who like to cause mischief, so it's best to be cautious at every con you go to.

StrawberryLum
01-03-2008, 06:40 PM
I didn't say they need to be with their parents, I just said they need to be in /a/ home. Foster care or a homeless shelter for abused teens, I dunno, but I can tell you one thing, if they approach me in any sort of threatening matter your "friends" are getting the cops called on them and if they are indeed intoxicated they get to go to the drunk tank as it is illegal to just be out and about drunk let alone possibly threatening someone.
And how is it that I'm going to know what may or may not "annoy" these people? I could be walking by and they get pissed off, especially if they're drunk.
Point is, if you know your "friends" are a danger then by law you are to report them, weither you like that or not. Otherwise you're just as responsible for what they do. We're not here to cater to your drunken miscreant associates. If you feel they are a danger then report them, ask someone else to report them, whatever you need to do to feel "comfortable" but don't just go around telling people they better do this or that or they're going to get stabbed. That's a threat.

Ka.GAMI
01-04-2008, 04:23 AM
I'm not saying that they will do it, I'm just worried that someone might aggravate them to do it. I'm almost positive walking by them won't piss them off, especially because I'm sure there's quite a few people that pass by them on a regular basis- and I've only noticed one(besides my parents) to comment on them infront of them, and I don't even know what that guy was saying to them. I'm not saying I know they'd be an issue because I honestly don't know, and to call the police on something that I'm not sure of wouldn't be smart in my own opinion.

And I do know that the people under 22 are allowed to go to a homeless shelter that's open some mornings and nights, but you can't spend the night there. I know they give you free meals, showers, clothes, and let you wash your clothes, though. And I know there's another one that also feeds you, but I don't know much about that one and I haven't heard of any others. Of course, I haven't done any research on homeless shelters, because I'm sure they'd do it for themselves if they needed.


...I do use some areas in the park for photoshoots, but have yet to encounter any problems. A couple of times my friends and I have been pestered by the homeless people who wander around, but other than having an odor/stench problem, they usually go about their way.

This year if your friends are there and they bother me while I'm doing photoshoots, like harass my cosplayer friends, I won't confront them directly but if need be, I'll use my weapon: my camera, and take a picture of them which I can use to report to park security, convention center staff, or the police. (Ever notice all those "panic" buttons located around the park to call for security? Wonder if anybody's ever used them before during S-con) :razz: ...

Yeah, they just started going there recently due to a newspaper article about them 'causing more police near Westlake Center where they once hung out- so they fled to the park. I don't understand why this park isn't patrolled anyway, because I've heared there's a lot of violence there anyway. I'm not sure about that one, though.

They have panic buttons...? o-o Dude. That's hella tight. xD;;;


And for anyone who cares to read, here's the article that I dug up.

More Police For Downtown Seattle - The Seattle Post-Intelligencer (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/327894_police17.html)
And I was almost in that picture. ._.;;;

StrawberryLum
01-04-2008, 09:43 PM
So are you saying your fears and "warning" are completly irrational and unwarrented? If so then this post needs to come down.
But if you did post this because you think something might happen then I'm not seeing how it would "not be smart" to inform the police. You know of drunken people carrying weapons around that may flip out at any moment on anybody for any reason.
http://www.artistshelpingchildren.org/shelters.html#washington

The Evil One
01-05-2008, 06:13 AM
Instead of warning the .01% of con goers that will read your warning, you might want to warn your friends. There's going to be 11000+ people lacking sleep and hopped up on caffeine wandering around all weekend. If something were to happen, they're the ones that are going to be in even more trouble. No one wants anything bad to happen during con.

StrawberryLum
01-05-2008, 03:27 PM
Instead of warning the .01% of con goers that will read your warning, you might want to warn your friends. There's going to be 11000+ people lacking sleep and hopped up on caffeine wandering around all weekend. If something were to happen, they're the ones that are going to be in even more trouble. No one wants anything bad to happen during con.

Most awesome quote thus far. :rockon:

msmoonprincess
01-10-2008, 04:02 PM
Um thanks for the warning I guess? But really I am in agreement with all the other posters here. I'm not sure exactly how it goes or who said but there's a quote out there that says the way evil triumphs is for good men/women to do nothing. Your friends obviously need help badly if you think they are capable of this sort of behavior. And by not helping them out like a good friend should you are letting them get worse. Please for the con members and your friends get them help and report them if need be beofre the con starts.

Lady Shinsei
01-10-2008, 10:06 PM
*sigh* I'm not surprised that folks posted negative comments in here. Kinda reminds me of all the crap that happened over folks hanging out at Westlake Center (I'm still pissed about that, because I used to hang out there, and now even I'm getting weird looks from cops, etc.).

LOL... I agree on the thing about congoers being threatening. Trust me, running into hyper fangirls that're hopped up on Pocky and caffeinated beverages can't be a good thing. And that... includes me! ROFLMAO. But, no offense to ya bud (Buttercup-chan), you should do something about helping out your friends... because helping them is the best thing a friend should do. *hug*

Here's to the hope of the con being trouble-free and awesome.

Koriko
01-14-2008, 08:46 AM
o.< While its true you should get your friends help...Warning us was good. D; Seriously guys, give her a break. If they are her friends she can't bring herself to turn them in and thats that.

She's just trying to make sure no one else gets hurt...She just can't bring herself to be the ones to turn her own friends in and watch them go to jail...I know how that feels, though its with family...>>;

>.o Just saying you probably made her feel worse about the situation by harping on her...>.< She just wanted to make sure you all knew.

I mean come on! Theres dangerous homeless people EVERYWHERE you go...She just was making sure we knew ...>>;;

Yes, it would be a good thing to get them help...But if we could help every homeless person on the street...We would...

>.< God I'm not good with confronation...I just think you guys should give her a break here D;

Eurobeat King
01-14-2008, 11:35 AM
Hopefully they'll stay in the park and not try to enter the convention center to cause any problems. I've noticed last year that homeless people actually DO enter the convention center to use the restrooms, but then leave. It's still pretty bad to see that, tho. But that's tame compared to if people show up to cause problems to the con-attendees. Convention-center staff & security usually are posted at the top of the escalators checking for badges and making sure the escalators aren't blocked when people are taking pictures, so they can keep an eye on who comes in from the park-side entrance.

cpardo
01-14-2008, 03:07 PM
Buttercup-chan, if you're so concerned you can address this to the security staff of Sakura Con. You can email them on the website, but you're already on top of it posting this on the SC forum, or you can come to a meeting and do it in person. I mean since you brought it up you have a responsibility to report it to them, especially since you know the people who could be hostile. I thought I should say something since I'm on SC staff as well, and they always say over and over if you see something unusual or bad happening at Sakura Con, report it right away.

So far there has not been any incident involving homeless people and violence at SC in Seattle. And EK is right inside the con center there will be plenty of security of all kinds: convention center staff, SC staff and maybe even a police officer or two. I mean it's a major int'l venue so they're going to beef up security there no matter. I don't think there's anything to worry about, but they'll be ready.

DeviousMousie
01-19-2008, 12:33 AM
To some extent you do have a responsibility to trying to help your friends out, there is a point to which you can. It's unfortunate that your friends are in that situation, really it is, and I understand how hard it is to call the cops if need be, but if they might be a threat then you should at least tell con staff. Honestly, Seattle police are spread so thin that they can't monitor everything, but at least having something out on the alert with the con staff and security is a step, right?

Anyway, you did the right thing by warning people about that area. Even if they're not your friends who are harrasing congoers, there will be others, and people should be aware that certain areas of Seattle are best left alone after certain hours in the day. So, thank you, I'll try not to go there after dark. ^^

The Kraken
02-06-2008, 01:00 PM
Wow. This is going to be a fun convention! I'll be in full riot gear for part of the time, so if any of these douche bags want to start acting like animals, let me know. No damn teenager, drunk or otherwise, is going to ruin my weekend.

The~Wind
02-06-2008, 02:05 PM
Please guys. Don't try to take things into your own hands. As a staff member, I urge you to find security or the Green coats (Convention Center staff) and tell them what's going on.

SAS (SC security) are wonderful people and the director is really nice. If there's a problem, just find SAS and tell them. Or find a staff member and tell them.

Do not take matters into your own hands.

The Kraken
02-06-2008, 03:58 PM
That's all well and good and of course that will be my first course of action. But quite honestly, I'm not going to put my safety or the safety of anyone around me, in the hands of volunteer security. If they're around, then great. But if someone is being assaulted, I'm not going to run and go get somebody. I'm going to take care of the issue to the best of my ability and I'll let someone who's less capable run and get somebody.

DON'T WORRY. I'm not some hardass with a chip on his shoulder that's going to be looking to pick a fight. I'm really laid back and I'm just there to have fun. But, like I said, if someone is harassing my girlfriend or something, we're going to have a problem.

Haruhi-tan
02-10-2008, 10:49 PM
I am somewhat amazed this thread has come this far.

To the OP: I, personally, think it's a horrible idea on your part not to report your friends. Were you to report them, you would be helping innocent con-goers AND your friends by finding them help. Not only that, but let's say you knew someone who was going to "shoot up" a school. Would you not report them because they're your friends, and they only want to do so because they've had a hard life? I know it sounds extreme, but it's the same sort of situation. Probably only 10% of all SakuraCon attendees are going to read either of the threads you've made on this, so you aren't really doing anything to help. If you really wanted to help people, REPORT YOUR FRIENDS TO BOTH S-CON STAFF AND PROPER AUTHORITIES.

To some of the other posters in the thread: 15-year-old girls "hyped up on caffiene and pocky" are actually more likely to get mugged and attacked by strangers in large cities because they aren't thinking right AND have a tendency to wander from larger groups and safety. It's no joking matter.