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zenithvsp
06-24-2009, 02:39 AM
Okay, so we all know Gundam cosplayers catch our eyes like the speed of lightning right? :eek: And unfortunately, it makes some of us (like me) want to go back home and make our own "suit of armor". Well that's exactly what I'm doing, and it's proved to be a challenge indeed. Getting the precise measurements, and blowing it up to proportion to fit my body whilst keeping the overall look of the suit. *Gives me a headache thinking about it!* But that alone isn't enough. Me as a somewhat "perfectionist". I look aside from those "tedious" things, and add my own "flare". Which is a gift I'm told.....teeheehehe :rolleyes: Well at any rate, many people ask me from looking at my process of making these wonderful project(s) of mine state; how do you get the right proportions?, what do you base it off of? And my favorite one; "what are you going to finish making it with?". And my answer is....I have no clue! There I said it :bigcry: Yeah Yeah I know it's sad, but I have asked myself that same question over and over. Now knowing my abilities and "willings" to do the finishing touches to my project(s). I want....or should say, "request"....fine! Ask you guys on what you use for your gundam and or other cosplay(s) and how you finish it. Now I know there are threads, tutorials, and other websites from which these can be found. But I want to compile all of those into one single thread if possible. And actually make a "DISCUSSION" about this topic.

Oh and if you must know.....I have, quote on "have" planned to finish my gundam project out of fiberglass using a tutorial via www.405th.com But using a base via a type of cardstock or posterboard if you will. Typically found at your local office store, but I got my stuff at Kmart. So ha! :crylaugh: And basing everything off of reference pictures and model kits, basically anything/everything you can get your hands on. Sometimes I use Gundam Pepakura files, downloadable online. Some of these include; Hazel Gundam, Zeta Gundam, Ex-S Sentinel Gundam, Jegan, Zaku II, RX-78-2 Gundam, Hi Nu Gundam, and various super deformed Gundams. I am sure there's more, but they are quite hard to find! Well at any rate, I found that working with fiberglass is very serious tough work and can be potentially hazardous. But can be done. I also found out (the hard way) that it's nearly impossible to sand a flat surface on fiberglassed material, no matter how hard you try. You must, and I will quote "must" have some sort of filler to pull that off. So in the long run, fiberglassing a whole body suit isn't the best option for time and your pocket's sake. Let alone your body itself. Now let me give you a generalization of what I mean, ex;

-one quart of fiberglass resin is $14
-fiberglass mat is $6
-goggles/gloves/respirator/brushes/sand-paper/tools/etc $100+
-body filler $10
-spot putty $8
-primer $4
-paint $4
-clear coat $4

Now those prices are rounded up, and are not accurate to every single retailer. And they are just the price for one item(s)! Now of course you can substitute, price pinch, and whatever. From my experience one quart of fiberglass resin usually gets about 3-4 parts at most to be completed, using about 75% of the fiberglass mat at that. And let me tell you, fiberglass anything is very hard and tedious to work with. And I don't plan on using it for quite a longggg time. So that's just a little insight as to what I've come to experience. Let me know what you guys think :rolleyes:

striker0
06-24-2009, 11:42 PM
Wow, talk about a lot to read. But here's what I've done ever since I started doing mecha cosplaying (this will be my second year doing it).
If this is your first gundam cosplay, go on the cheap. As in, invest in.......
CARDBOARD!
Yeah, cardboard. If you go to your local grocery store, or any place, ask them if you can have the boxes that they got their shipments in. More times than not, they will happily give it to you since it will keep their dumpsters open for other trash besides cardboard. And if they ask why do you want it, answer honestly with "Oh, I'm trying to build something out of recyclable goods." This way, you can amass a crapload of cardboard for pennies on the dollar, or even better, free, while at the same time, helping keep the landfills free of a material that can be recycled. And, if you have to, go dumpster diving. Just make sure the cardboard is on top so that no nasty stuff is touching the building material. And while you do work with the cardboard, you're gonna need more than a single layer to survive a convention hall, and walking around. You're gonna wanna go with a 4-layer, cross-grain type build all around. Cross grain means you have one grain going one way, and with the next layer, you have the grain going the other way. And hot glue is your best friend. Don't go with low temp stuff, because if you live in a area with high humidity, it will come apart. Stick with the high temp stuff, and make sure you have a pair of work gloves so that you can work comfortably, without running the risk of getting hot glue on your hands and getting nasty water blisters because of the burn. Now that leaves you with two other things: poster board and paint. More times than not, it would be cheaper to buy a package or poster board just in case you screw up, you just need more. Arts and crafts stores are a major plus. One place where I get my poster board is Michael's, which I get a sheet for 59 cents, and it's a pretty big piece. But if you're planning on making a gundam cosplay that has a large surface area, do invest in the packages. As for paint, dude, stick with cheap spray paint. It doesn't have to be Krylon or any other of the big name stuff. If you feel uncertain about a certain off brand, buy a single can, spray paint a poster board, and see how it results. If it sticks nicely and doesn't flake off, then guess what, you're good to go.

As for proportions, that is something you need to experiment on. If this is your first gundam cosplay, don't worry about it. Make it in proportion to your body, given that you don't have a extra long torso and short legs. But all in all, just have fun with it. No sense in going all out, making a sweet gundam cosplay, and in the process you get so frustrated that you wanna give up. If it gets to be too much, take a break. Curl up on the sofa or your bed, have a nice drink, and watch some giant robots duke it out. Trust me, after a break everyone once in a while, you will feel better, refreshed, and more enthusiastic about your cosplay. Oh and take your time.

And if there is something that I didn't cover that you need help with, check out Featherweight's mecha cosplay tutorial. I don't remember where I found it, but it's out there. It's very useful.

zenithvsp
06-25-2009, 12:38 PM
Yeah I do apologize for the excessively long introduction n' such. However, very informative post you have provided striker! I think Featherweight's mecha tutorial is good, but the layering up with cardboard and posterboard seems a little tedious, and not to mention difficult. I will give it a try though, and I'll let you guys know how it turns out *thumbs up

-Jarred

striker0
06-25-2009, 09:10 PM
Ah, with the layering.

It's not really difficult, but I will agree with the tedious part. When I first started doing it, I got uninterested rather quickly, but that's because I was working with no music around. Word of advice, have music playing while you work on it. Something that gives you a good rhythm, and helps make this tedious job actually enjoyable.

zenithvsp
06-25-2009, 10:32 PM
Yeah, I barely got done with one part today using that technique. And I was like, oh man....only 75 some odd more parts to go! Haha :crylaugh: But yeah, I would have to agree with you on that! Music is always good to have, especially gundam "type" music. Because well for one I am making a gundam, and two....I don't know what their saying in Japanese, so I won't get tired of that songs so fast! Hehe, I always listen to my MP3's in my little "work station", I think it's too small to be one though....Oh right, as of right now I'm painstakingly stuck on making the head...as I type this actually. I have the face plate all worked out, it's just the actual roundness of the head and construction (stability) that has me on edge. Maybe I'll mix up my work or something. Probably going to work on the legs next, who knows..

-Jarred

alterationsbyem
06-26-2009, 09:00 PM
Yippy! I am nuts, I am actually trying the foam board route with some fossshape (hasn't worked yet) Here is the one I am making http://www.flickr.com/photos/alterationsbyemily/3655616538/

Its for my hubby and here are the boots thus far, three weeks to Otakon! I am finishing up a commission and it will be my main focus then after. my hubby is 6'6" and wears a size 16 shoe, he fits in pretty perfect. I actually am experimenting on using a floating system. everything is attached to other pieces via elastic, so as he walks the boots automatically adjust to the position

Boots
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alterationsbyemily/3655616386/

Kenmichi
06-26-2009, 10:32 PM
Yippy! I am nuts, I am actually trying the foam board route with some fossshape (hasn't worked yet) Here is the one I am making http://www.flickr.com/photos/alterationsbyemily/3655616538/

Its for my hubby and here are the boots thus far, three weeks to Otakon! I am finishing up a commission and it will be my main focus then after. my hubby is 6'6" and wears a size 16 shoe, he fits in pretty perfect. I actually am experimenting on using a floating system. everything is attached to other pieces via elastic, so as he walks the boots automatically adjust to the position

Boots
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alterationsbyemily/3655616386/

I think I understand what you're getting at. It seems you've already constructed the sole, but I would have recommended using 4 pivots, 2 on each boot, with a soft rubber sole. As the sole bends the parts of the boot don't bend, but rater swivel on the pivots. This would require some very precise measuring and cutting but would look and work really well, and could be applied to the other joints.

zenithvsp
06-27-2009, 02:47 AM
Yippy! I am nuts, I am actually trying the foam board route with some fossshape (hasn't worked yet) Here is the one I am making http://www.flickr.com/photos/alterationsbyemily/3655616538/

Its for my hubby and here are the boots thus far, three weeks to Otakon! I am finishing up a commission and it will be my main focus then after. my hubby is 6'6" and wears a size 16 shoe, he fits in pretty perfect. I actually am experimenting on using a floating system. everything is attached to other pieces via elastic, so as he walks the boots automatically adjust to the position

Boots
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alterationsbyemily/3655616386/

Oh that is a unique mobile suit to be doing. And your "hubby" is almost the perfect size as well (height wise), so lucky for you guys! Not to mention the legs are already looking good :rolleyes: Instead of the picture you are referencing to in your post, I would recommend using some of the pictures located here:

http://www.dalong.net/review/pg/p05/p05_p.htm

You can also access the tabs for that page as well, that look like this;

▶ Information 박스/런너/매뉴얼/부품도 (Misc. Info including the booklet/manual) ▶ Part Review 부분리뷰 (A series of pictures of each part of the Gundam) ▶ Review 리뷰 (A variety of the completely assembled Model kit Pictures)".

That website houses a ton of part by part pictures of the model kit, as well as the manual/booklet. So no worries on reference pictures. As for the material, I would recommend using Wonderflex or Styrene. Both types of malleable plastics that are ideal for straight/semi-round parts. Also Bondo Plastic Body Filler or Paperclay, that can be used ontop of folded cardboard to get rounded parts that are difficult to replicate. You can use a variety of combinations between those options, however that's just my opinion. As far as the feet go, you can approach that how ever you please, they can pivot, or be stationary (only ankle moves, no joints). That would be the easiest. Using just a pair of old shoes and screwing the soles onto wooden blocks/pieces and building the foot ontop of that. Though I have yet to try it, we'll keep our fingers crossed :waaaah: Also for the floating system you mentioned, that would in fact work. But for cosmetic and functionality purposes, I would recommend a hinge system of some sort. But that would be to complicated for a simple part, however that's up to you.

-Jarred

zenithvsp
06-27-2009, 11:21 AM
Okay I'm almost finished with the head, and I have been wondering. To make cardboard/cardstock round, wouldn't I need some type of resin or clay? I've done some googling and searching on here, but I couldn't find what I was looking for. Sure I've come across paper clay on paper mache, but that's not what I'm doing. I wanted to find some sort of spray or a type of brush on material to make my existing paper (on my helmet) sort of strong maybe? Then put on some like plastic body filler or clay perhaps? Because I don't want my paper to get warped on the process. Any suggestions?

-Jarred

alterationsbyem
06-27-2009, 05:12 PM
thanks for the pics, I took about 130 off of the movie endless waltz, but these add more realism

zenithvsp
06-27-2009, 07:50 PM
Yeah don't mention it. I would highly suggest you use the pictures I have supplied you with to achieve the most realism as well as accuracy. Please feel free to post up any other questions you may have, and good luck!

-Jarred

alterationsbyem
06-29-2009, 08:04 AM
So attempt 2 at the knees was much better last night. I used foamboard that was covered in a papermache type stuff. It is working out so much better and it is very strong. I giggle when I picked up the fully dry item this morning, onto thighs and belt. Otakon is coming up fast...

zenithvsp
06-29-2009, 11:34 AM
Do you mind providing pictures for the thread? Also when is the "Otakon" any how?

-Jarred

alterationsbyem
06-29-2009, 05:11 PM
here is the pic after the second coat of paster of paris stuff
http://i42.tinypic.com/2pov22r.jpg

www.otakon.com
July 17 - 19 2009
Baltimore MD

zenithvsp
06-29-2009, 06:46 PM
Awesome! That material you used looks much more promising compared to what I'm using. Which is cardboard, fiberglass resin, and paper clay. Ha :crylaugh: Well hopefully in the near future I can take some pictures of....something that's finished....or somewhat. What time frame are you trying to make the suit in (how long do you have)?

-Jarred

alterationsbyem
06-29-2009, 08:26 PM
3 weeks, plus i have to make a bleach outfit, genesis from FF and a set of wings, plenty of time and plenty of coffee. It also helps that I am a stay at home mom, so I can get stuff done

zenithvsp
06-30-2009, 11:43 AM
Wow, that is a lot of things to do in that amount of time. I admire your dedication, it makes me ashamed that I'm a thin thread away from giving up on mine. And yes, coffee does make the costume making a bit enjoyable on par with a good music player. Ha, are you going to make the rest of Gundam Wing out of the same material as the legs?

-Jarred

alterationsbyem
07-01-2009, 02:42 AM
It would appear that way. it really is making a nice strong base, wear and tear on test drives is very little. I am also thinking that I am going to put a nice layer of kilz on the outside. Just to seal it up. I finished the knees and working on the thighs. I am also going to rethink the top of the boots, that way the textures don't clash so much. I hope to attach the thighs to the pants this week, then I have to take a break. make some commissions and then come back to it.

zenithvsp
07-03-2009, 11:08 PM
Oh okay, I'm just on a stand still debating what materials I should use for each individual part's purpose n' such. **sigh** I wonder if there are any other people attempting the same goal as we are....I would look forward to seeing them post in this thread. Well looking at the pictures you posted, it looks like you're on track. If you feel the need to ask something feel free to, because Wing Gundam Zero Custom is a difficult mobile suit to create. But a person with your experience I wouldn't expect you would. Haha, but yeah I will post up some pictures of what I have pretty soon. Hopefully it's satisfactory atleast somewhat..

-Jarred

alterationsbyem
07-09-2009, 12:47 PM
Working on the belt today, Legs are well on their way. I still have to attach them to the pants and make the suspenders for my hubby to wear, just started the shoulders and chest pieces, now your ref pics you gave me a moving along. I hope to have progress pics up soon, between this and a commission I am crazy, 6 DAYS to go until otakon

zenithvsp
07-09-2009, 02:20 PM
Awesome, well I know you'll find a way to attach them. Stick on Velcro is my friend, haha. Oh, well that's good to hear. I'm glad to see those pictures were helpful. I look forward to seeing your progress, and yes you do have a lot on your plate. And 6 days! Wow, that's coming up so soon. I do hope you will finish in time

-Jarred

alterationsbyem
07-09-2009, 08:20 PM
Okay, here is some of todays work.
Backpack for wings
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp2/alterationsbyemily/DSC02721.jpg

Gloves
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp2/alterationsbyemily/DSC02731.jpg

Helmet
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp2/alterationsbyemily/DSC02744.jpg


More coffee here I come!

alterationsbyem
07-12-2009, 07:39 PM
Body picture:
http://i31.tinypic.com/2nlfkb9.jpg
Helmet near finished
http://i26.tinypic.com/wbtqb6.jpg

alterationsbyem
07-20-2009, 06:12 AM
All done!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericsbinaryworld/3733039893/

zenithvsp
07-20-2009, 11:31 PM
Wow awesome! You worked pretty fast and the outcome is still great! Do you plan on making another one in the future?

I am finishing the final touches on the torso and head unit(s) of my Gundam as a matter of fact, so as soon as I atleast finish some more details I'll post up some pictures....well atleast of what I have. You just gave me a lot of inspiration and motivation to keep working on my suit, thanks a bunch!

-Jarred

zenithvsp
07-21-2009, 03:32 PM
Okay, I took a quick picture of what I have so far. Which is only the basic structure/supports, I will cover the parts with simplified cardboard (no individual pieces) to achieve a better look.....It's only a sample, so here it is:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9932/img2769ypc.jpg

I will take more in the future. Hopefully I can get the Torso, Head, Crotch/Panels, arms, and shoulders done by early to mid August (next month) :crylaugh:

-Jarred

alterationsbyem
07-22-2009, 06:09 PM
look so freaking great right now, keep up the good work!

Crusader_8
07-22-2009, 09:56 PM
I'm starting off kind of how striker0 describes, using cardboard then posterboard with spraypaint. But I'm curious as to how to make a detailed helmet without achieving a failure of epic proportions.

zenithvsp
07-22-2009, 10:11 PM
I'm starting off kind of how striker0 describes, using cardboard then posterboard with spraypaint. But I'm curious as to how to make a detailed helmet without achieving a failure of epic proportions.

I have to say, layering cardboard works great and provides added support to parts n' such. I've been using it for years, and it has never failed me. As for covering the cardboard with poster board, I don't know....Personally, I have tested with it, but I probably won't use it. You'd have to be really good at cutting to make each individual poserboard piece fit exact on the part you are doing it on. Plus you run the chance of warping the posterboard when painting it. But that's just my opinion on the subject. What type of helmet are you planning on doing? I may be able to help you with that.

-Jarred


look so freaking great right now, keep up the good work!

Ha thanks, some more pictures posted *thumbs up*

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4392/img2788c.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7092/img2791j.jpg

-Jarred

Crusader_8
07-22-2009, 11:29 PM
I wish to do the rx-78 from the original series... partially because it's one of the simpler designs and also because it's so damn classic. I think I mentioned this before somewhere, but I'm building a 1/100 scale rx 78 to have as a hands-on 3D reference to help scale the costume, since I don't like relying on pictures (with the exception of pictures showing me how to actually build it; it's the detailing and scaling that I want to use the model for).

These pictures so far have been helpful. I didn't think of the poster board warping but I think there should at least be some other heavy duty paper between poster board and cardboard that can be cut and used for small curved areas, like details on a helmet is an example that comes to my head. [If I sound crazy, it's because this is my first dip into the world of mecha-making.] *Ahem* Anyway, I used to buy poster board to back my nintendo pixel art; it was durable and had kind of a glossy finish to it.

Cheshare
07-23-2009, 12:32 AM
my big question is on materials to use.

I have seen many a great gundam constructed from cardboard that look good but I want a more metal look : / I was talking a while ago with some one who has already made a very great gundam, and I asked him waht he used and he told me he used a clear coat of this material that model plane and car buildres use to make their models look shiney and more like real metal.

I am considerign the fiberglass route as it looks to be the more high quality, but really my question is, should I go with making a cardboard base then using the fiber glass over that?

I have an idea on how to make most of the lower body, the same ma I was talking to about gundams early told me it would be best to have the skirt attach like a belt and ahve the legs just slip on, but I'm not so sure on how to make the uperbody so much, its really the confusing part for me, as I just dont understand how I'm going to construct it and make it stay on... my idea was football armor, and have it sling over almost like a back pack and ahve the arms attach the to the chest plate. but I'm not sure if it would work to well.

my other problem is I'm rather small... and I really would like to have it be large as to stay a bit more acruate. but being just the average teen age girl I'm a good 3 or 4 feet short of the hieght I need for a decent gundam, not to mention I'm not very big. : / should I just go with a bit of a smaller more humanly porportiand gundam? I was thinking to make me bigger just have my feet go into the ankels of the gundam but then I'm not to sure how easy it would be for me to move around...

i haerd of the tut your working o nand I really really cant wait for it to come out so I can get a better idea on just how I am gong to go about building this damn thing. : )

well thank yu for reading this

zenithvsp
07-23-2009, 12:34 AM
I wish to do the rx-78 from the original series... partially because it's one of the simpler designs and also because it's so damn classic. I think I mentioned this before somewhere, but I'm building a 1/100 scale rx 78 to have as a hands-on 3D reference to help scale the costume, since I don't like relying on pictures (with the exception of pictures showing me how to actually build it; it's the detailing and scaling that I want to use the model for).

These pictures so far have been helpful. I didn't think of the poster board warping but I think there should at least be some other heavy duty paper between poster board and cardboard that can be cut and used for small curved areas, like details on a helmet is an example that comes to my head. [If I sound crazy, it's because this is my first dip into the world of mecha-making.] *Ahem* Anyway, I used to buy poster board to back my nintendo pixel art; it was durable and had kind of a glossy finish to it.

Oh that's awesome, it's been awhile seeing someone make the original RX-78. So this will be a treat! Yeah, that mobile suit is indeed simple in design so it'll give you an easier time :rolleyes: That is very smart on your part. Building the model kit will indeed make your measurements much more precise, so props to you on that! If you need additional references n' such, here are a couple links:

http://www.dalong.net/review/mg/m28/m28_i.htm
http://www.dalong.net/review/mg/m57/m57_i.htm
http://www.dalong.net/review/mg/m111/m111_i.htm

Those are 3 different types of RX-78 models; original, version KA, and 2.0. If you need even more reference, here is the "paper-craft" RX-78-2 Gundam:

http://www.mypapermodel.com/rx-78-2-paper-model/

That should give you even more leverage on making your suit; ex. making round parts, etc....and no you don't sound crazy, even though that sounds crazy saying you're not crazy :crylaugh: It's a challenge at first, but it pays off in the end when you're being flashed with dozens of flash cameras, haha xD Well I guess that type of paper/poster board can work. But I have come across some stuff that actually seals paper type materials just recently (last month). It's called "Mod-Podge", I personally have used it and I would have to say it works okay. You have to work in quick strokes (using a brush) to avoid warping the paper, however once you're done the paper should go back to normal with minor misshaping. The layer you just brushed on leaves a glossy type film over the paper, and protects the paper underneath from any danger; ex. water, paint, etc....oh did I say paint??! Yep, yes I did. So you can paint over it after it's dried. You can try a little bottle for yourself. The one you want is for paper, but you are welcome to try the other types they offer. It can be found at like Michael's or Joann Craft stores. Roughly $5-6 a pop. I have heard some talk about paper hardeners, but I haven't found one yet. Of course there are some paper mache type methods as well; starch, glue, etc......anyway, I apologize if my reply is a little long....but I'm pretty sure I got everything in there :cool:

-Jarred

Cheshare
07-23-2009, 12:43 AM
oh forgot to mention I really havent decided the model yet xD I am thinking of the pretty basic generic main gundam that i see in most of the animes : / (like Kira's gundam in Gundam seed comes to mind)

Crusader_8
07-23-2009, 01:14 AM
I would need a lot of mod podge then... I almost forgot that stuff existed.

but anyhoo, while the ideas whirl in my head, I have two fundamental questions:

1) what kind of black suit-thing do I wear under this, or rather what are my options,
2) to make the helmet do I start with a bike/motorcycle helmet or is there a way to make a sturdy one from scratch?

zenithvsp
07-23-2009, 01:18 AM
my big question is on materials to use.

I have seen many a great gundam constructed from cardboard that look good but I want a more metal look : / I was talking a while ago with some one who has already made a very great gundam, and I asked him waht he used and he told me he used a clear coat of this material that model plane and car buildres use to make their models look shiney and more like real metal.

I am considerign the fiberglass route as it looks to be the more high quality, but really my question is, should I go with making a cardboard base then using the fiber glass over that?

I have an idea on how to make most of the lower body, the same ma I was talking to about gundams early told me it would be best to have the skirt attach like a belt and ahve the legs just slip on, but I'm not so sure on how to make the uperbody so much, its really the confusing part for me, as I just dont understand how I'm going to construct it and make it stay on... my idea was football armor, and have it sling over almost like a back pack and ahve the arms attach the to the chest plate. but I'm not sure if it would work to well.

my other problem is I'm rather small... and I really would like to have it be large as to stay a bit more acruate. but being just the average teen age girl I'm a good 3 or 4 feet short of the hieght I need for a decent gundam, not to mention I'm not very big. : / should I just go with a bit of a smaller more humanly porportiand gundam? I was thinking to make me bigger just have my feet go into the ankels of the gundam but then I'm not to sure how easy it would be for me to move around...

i haerd of the tut your working o nand I really really cant wait for it to come out so I can get a better idea on just how I am gong to go about building this damn thing. : )

well thank yu for reading this

Oh yeah, you have that right. I've seen many great Gundam suits over the years. Probably every one of them has been made out of cardboard, since it's cheap and somewhat easy to work with. However, it is very difficult to get rid of the texture that it gives. Many people coat it with a type of hardener/resin material and then use some sort of filler/clay/putty to fill in the gaps n' whatnot. Or there are other ways such as using plastics; styrene and wonderflex. Both can be bend, shaped, and rounded with heat and are very durable. You can use this plastic for the whole Gundam (which would be very expensive), or use it in moderation (only for rounded parts and small parts that can't be replicated with cardboard). And use cardboard (hardened with a hardening agent) for the boxy type parts, etc.....You get the picture right? Yeah, there are many many types of agents for making things hard especially cardboard. But it's up to you how to go about it. **I will explain more in depth if you need more information on this**. There is also using cardstock/posterboard and then hardening that with fiberglass resin (as you mentioned). There are some threads on this subject located here:

http://405th.com/forums/index.php?showforum=12

Fiberglass does have its ups, but its downs are well let's say....deadly? First off, sure it may be kinda easy slapping some resin on something, but then there's the fiberglass cloth that gets a little tricky (assuming you know what that is). After you have the basic fiberglassing done, etc....you need to sand it down, but not with your hands. But with an electric sander, and by gosh that fiberglass is hard! You have to really put some elbow grease into getting the shapes that you want. And trust me, it's a long time. Okay when things are where you want them, you must go over the surface with plastic body filler (for cars) to rid of those imperfections. Then you sand that, and then afterwards you have to fill that with spot/glaze putty and then sand that. By the time you get done, you're tired n' whatnot. But wait, you have to prep it, primer it, paint it, and the clear coat it! xDD Okay so you see where I'm getting at right? Fiberglassing is not for beginners. I would not suggest it especially when there is a good amount of health concern using it. You absolutely must wear gloves, a darn good organic respirator ($45+), and wear goggles. The stuff is messy, and is really heavy when it's used with cardboard. Trust me, I've done it! Ha, as for making the cardboard more "metal looking". You can either sand/re-edit the surfaces to appear more blocky/boxy and make the paint a matte (satin) color. Instead of the "traditional" glossy paint. You want that stone'ish kind of texture look that Gundams have, because they don't look metal...at all, haha :crylaugh:

Yeah the lower body isn't as hard as the upper body. The lower body can infact be attached using a belt type system; that the panels of the Gundam are hooked onto allowing them to freely move as if they would in the anime. However, I would suggest putting some suspenders on the belt so that the lower body can stay in place and you can adjust how low it goes or how high it goes (depending on what gundam you are doing). If that makes sense. **I will go more in depth in this subject if you wish**. Using football armor for the upper body might be a little too much. Because you would want the armor to be as close to your body as possible. Many people just have the upper torso just hang from their shoulders and cut that torso in half side ways so that you can be able to get your neck and arms in.

The legs should be a one piece; ex. thigh is connected to knee cap with strap system -- shin connects with knee cap with strap system. So basically slip on as you said. The foot can be on its own though. I have seen many many people attach the shoulders to the body, it's wrong but it serves as a durable method in keeping the shoulders from falling off. If possible try to make the shoulders stay on your actual arms. As for the arms themselves, they should be a one piece slip on as well, just like the legs. Think of it as a long glove with armor on it :rolleyes:

As for the size, I'm sorry to say.....but you cannot make a Gundam bigger with out sacrificing maneuverability. The saying is; "the smaller the gundam is to your actual height, the much more better looking it will be and the more mobility it has". My advice to you, is to choose a thin type Gundam and make it taller. Because once you think about it, that's how they really are huh? You can try doing "Nobel Gundam", it's a "She" mobile suit that may fit your profile:

http://rlegend.net/nobel.gif

There aren't that many pictures for her, but yeah that would be an interesting Gundam to create. Mainly every gundam costume has had the person's foot at the Gundam's ankle. You being as a girl (no offense) gives you an upper hand, because you can wear extremely long heels! xD Think of it that way :cool: I hope this reply helped, I do apologize if it's a little long. Feel free to post up any other questions you may have! Thanks

-Jarred

zenithvsp
07-23-2009, 01:25 AM
I would need a lot of mod podge then... I almost forgot that stuff existed.

but anyhoo, while the ideas whirl in my head, I have two fundamental questions:

1) what kind of black suit-thing do I wear under this, or rather what are my options,
2) to make the helmet do I start with a bike/motorcycle helmet or is there a way to make a sturdy one from scratch?

Yeah, it's popular yet.....I've never heard of it until just recently. lol, have you used it before?

1) You would want to wear basically anything that does not have mass to it; meaning, you want to have the suit basically hugging you. Replicating your silhouette. And completely covering your body leaving no open areas. Your options are pretty much open. You can use anything that you can find, but keep in mind....use some sort of material that doesn't overheat your body. Stay away from scuba suits! Look more in the direction of dancer type suits.
2) I'm glad you asked that. The best route to take, is to make your helmet out of scratch. How fun! Because you want the helmet to be as close fitting as humanly possible to avoid making other parts of the Gundam proportional. Also you must start on the head first! Here is a mini tutorial of what you can make:

http://www.geocities.com/mirage_cld2/Tutorial_head.html

I would explain it, but I'm sure you guys are tired of my long replies :rolleyes: Let me know if you have any other questions! Thanks

-Jarred

zenithvsp
07-23-2009, 01:37 AM
oh forgot to mention I really havent decided the model yet xD I am thinking of the pretty basic generic main gundam that i see in most of the animes : / (like Kira's gundam in Gundam seed comes to mind)

Oh yeah, that's up to you :crylaugh: I did mention in my post above about suggesting you do "Nobel Gundam", but you can choose which ever you'd like. For a selection on some, refer to this page:

http://www.dalong.net/review/mg.htm

Let me know if you find one that you like , and I'll get you some reference pictures ;]

-Jarred

Crusader_8
07-23-2009, 01:37 AM
that link leads me to a blank page...

I read the bits about shoulder attachment, and the only non-body attachment method I could think of is to make REALLY lightweight shoulders and Velcro them to the shoulders of your suit you wear. It sounds dumb to me, but that's the only non-body solution that makes sense in my head. I'll have to think about what I want to do with my shoulders in advance before I get to that point.

zenithvsp
07-23-2009, 01:51 AM
that link leads me to a blank page...

I read the bits about shoulder attachment, and the only non-body attachment method I could think of is to make REALLY lightweight shoulders and Velcro them to the shoulders of your suit you wear. It sounds dumb to me, but that's the only non-body solution that makes sense in my head. I'll have to think about what I want to do with my shoulders in advance before I get to that point.

Oh, yeah you need "Adobe Flash Player 10" to view that page. I do apologize. Basically what it's saying is located here:

http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=97106

The shoulder attachment huh? That is very tricky to do. But can be done. I messaged you an Image, let me know if you get it and if you have any other questions! Thanks

-Jarred

Crusader_8
07-24-2009, 01:06 AM
I checked out the helmet tutorial and it makes some sense but I am a little perplexed on how to go from what he shows, the basic form, to constructing the details into the what resembles the gundam helmet.

What I had in mind was doing two pieces: the helmet minus face, then the face as a separate piece that fits into place when you put the helmet on. But mostly what confuses me is getting
from http://www.cosplay.com/photo/903080/
to http://www.cosplay.com/photo/679827/

alterationsbyem
07-24-2009, 01:08 PM
I used a skateboarding helmet like this one http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9729372 spray painted it white and then built the foam board over it. I wanted to make sure that my hubby's head didn't explode

Crusader_8
07-24-2009, 01:13 PM
The only reason why I'm not going to use a helmet as the base for the helmet (sorry, redundancy) is that I want my helmet to be in scale with everything else as much as possible. Plus, it'll lighter and less top-heavy for me.

alterationsbyem
07-24-2009, 01:39 PM
ahh yes, I would agree then.

I think if mine would have been to scale we wouldn't have been able to get it into the car

Tony Smalls
07-24-2009, 01:40 PM
I'm glad there's a Gundam suit creation thread! I'm excited. I'm planning on making a Turn A Gundam suit from Wonderflex, fiberglass, resin and cardboard. For those of you who do not know about Turn A Gundam, here's a picture of it:

http://img519.imageshack.us/i/systema992kw.jpg/

Since I already make Gundam Model Kits, I'll be taking the measurements from my model kits and transpose it to my own body. So this suit is going together just like a model kit. That's my plan anyway. I'll let you all know how it turns out. Now I just need to go buy $300+ of Wonderflex...

Crusader_8
07-24-2009, 01:42 PM
Yeah, these costumes are definite assemble-on-site stuff. I'm trying to debut mine at Nekocon, which is good because the Embassy Suites are attached to the convention center. I should be able to walk to and fro without a problem. I'm also going to design compartments I can reach into that will hold my hotel key and other small but important things (my big hope is to make a concealed spot that I can pull a water bottle out of, but I need to worry about the rest of the costume first).

Tony Smalls: I'm totally using a 1/100 model of rx78 for my scaling and measurements too! FTW and other internet acronyms unite to salute you!

Tony Smalls
07-24-2009, 02:19 PM
Yeah, these costumes are definite assemble-on-site stuff. I'm trying to debut mine at Nekocon, which is good because the Embassy Suites are attached to the convention center. I should be able to walk to and fro without a problem. I'm also going to design compartments I can reach into that will hold my hotel key and other small but important things (my big hope is to make a concealed spot that I can pull a water bottle out of, but I need to worry about the rest of the costume first).

Tony Smalls: I'm totally using a 1/100 model of rx78 for my scaling and measurements too! FTW and other internet acronyms unite to salute you!

Yeah. I'm definitely using a 1/100 model of Turn A. I wish there was a 1/60 scale (perfect grade) of Turn A...but they don't. T-T

zenithvsp
07-24-2009, 03:26 PM
I checked out the helmet tutorial and it makes some sense but I am a little perplexed on how to go from what he shows, the basic form, to constructing the details into the what resembles the gundam helmet.

What I had in mind was doing two pieces: the helmet minus face, then the face as a separate piece that fits into place when you put the helmet on. But mostly what confuses me is getting
from http://www.cosplay.com/photo/903080/
to http://www.cosplay.com/photo/679827/

Well firstly, he made just a rough generalization of the head; being a ring around the forehead, a strip over the head, and another strip across that one looking like a "+". If that makes sense. Making a two piece would be easier, but it's the structuring that would be a little off. Because you don't want to be adjusting the mouth guard (gundam face) every second; seeing as that it would be held on with some sort of strap. So making a one piece would be better. However, it's up to you how to go about it. I just found that making a one piece helmet is much more durable.

Those two pictures are from two different things. But he used the same method for structuring purposes. Think of it this way, first you make a rough casting of your head using the method I explained above. Then start adding the details on top of it; ex. vents, decals, etc.....building outwards in a sense. And adjusting as you go to get the tightest/closest fit possible.

I'm glad there's a Gundam suit creation thread! I'm excited. I'm planning on making a Turn A Gundam suit from Wonderflex, fiberglass, resin and cardboard. For those of you who do not know about Turn A Gundam, here's a picture of it:

http://img519.imageshack.us/i/systema992kw.jpg/

Since I already make Gundam Model Kits, I'll be taking the measurements from my model kits and transpose it to my own body. So this suit is going together just like a model kit. That's my plan anyway. I'll let you all know how it turns out. Now I just need to go buy $300+ of Wonderflex...

That's awesome, I wish I would have done that with mine. But buying a $60 model kit, building, and then building the actual costume....eh idk :rolleyes: But hey I'm almost finished so it doesn't matter now :crylaugh:

zenithvsp
07-24-2009, 03:29 PM
ahh yes, I would agree then.

I think if mine would have been to scale we wouldn't have been able to get it into the car

Oh that's for deng sure! Because if it was to scale, the suit would of been 6'5"-7'0" tall! Maybe even taller who knows....And think of the wings as well. Ha, from looking at mine right now....I can already see that I'll have some troubles fitting it into my car :crylaugh:

Tony Smalls
07-24-2009, 03:31 PM
That's awesome, I wish I would have done that with mine. But buying a $60 model kit, building, and then building the actual costume....eh idk :rolleyes: But hey I'm almost finished so it doesn't matter now :crylaugh:

Ah. I don't need to buy the model kit since I already made it A LONG time ago. I have over 50 Gundam Model Kits including 7 Perfect Grades (1/60 scale) and the rest are Master Grades (1/100) and SD Gundams (they're cool). Taking apart the Turn A Gundam model kit's armor won't be too difficult. It would be a good gauge for me.

zenithvsp
07-24-2009, 03:37 PM
Ah. I don't need to buy the model kit since I already made it A LONG time ago. I have over 50 Gundam Model Kits including 7 Perfect Grades (1/60 scale) and the rest are Master Grades (1/100) and SD Gundams (they're cool). Taking apart the Turn A Gundam model kit's armor won't be too difficult. It would be a good gauge for me.

Oh, then you are very prepared my friend. I used to collect and build model kits myself a few years back, but then.....they stopped selling them around here, and I unfortunately stopped building them. Ha :crylaugh: So you are going to for sure doing a Turn A suit, or are you still contemplating on it?

-Jarred

Tony Smalls
07-24-2009, 05:03 PM
Oh, then you are very prepared my friend. I used to collect and build model kits myself a few years back, but then.....they stopped selling them around here, and I unfortunately stopped building them. Ha :crylaugh: So you are going to for sure doing a Turn A suit, or are you still contemplating on it?

-Jarred

Oh. I am very certain I'm doing a Turn A Gundam. I truthfully haven't seen someone cosplay as any of the Gundams from the Turn A series (dont' know why). Gotta represent Turn A and maybe Gundam F91 series later once I'm done with Turn A.

zenithvsp
07-24-2009, 06:26 PM
Oh. I am very certain I'm doing a Turn A Gundam. I truthfully haven't seen someone cosplay as any of the Gundams from the Turn A series (dont' know why). Gotta represent Turn A and maybe Gundam F91 series later once I'm done with Turn A.

That is very true, I look forward to seeing you make that suit! Oh by the way, will you be wearing it at the PMX?

Okay, so I was bored working on my suit today. And I thought about what someone said on the thread some day ago. And it was about "putting bondo on cardboard", so I was thinking....hey I have a cardboard mask and some bondo. Why not make something out of it? Well this is what I got (strictly for those who wanted to put bondo automotive body filler on cardboard):

http://img41.imageshack.us/i/bondo5.jpg/

Before Bondo:
http://img189.imageshack.us/i/bondo.jpg/

After Bondo:
http://img505.imageshack.us/i/bondo4.jpg/

I forgot to take another picture, but this one shows after I sanded the bondo and then used spot filler putty:
http://img505.imageshack.us/i/bondo6.jpg/

Rawr! Okay I skipped another one, but this one shows after I sanded the spot filler and then primered it:
http://img31.imageshack.us/i/bondo1.jpg/
http://img148.imageshack.us/i/bondo3.jpg/

Crusader_8
07-24-2009, 11:44 PM
Those are some good pics! On the subject but not actually pertaining to the craft, out of all my cosplays I've been most excited about this one because I might actually be able to make it all by myself with having to buy something or get a friend to sow this or that. Should I succeed, I will finally become an independent cosplayer (while defending the Earth Federation, of course).

zenithvsp
07-25-2009, 08:21 PM
Oh yeah, it's just time consuming and strains the brain because everything is virtually custom made. I am taking a break off of my suit, because I'm actually tired of it! Funny, but I should be posting more updates soon enough. Also I'm still looking for suitable materials to make gundams out of; professionally look like the model kits, and or high end resin kits. I will update pertaining to that as well.

-Jarred

Tony Smalls
07-27-2009, 12:25 PM
That is very true, I look forward to seeing you make that suit! Oh by the way, will you be wearing it at the PMX?

Sadly no. I won't be able to make it until after PMX. I have to work on my Haseo Xth Form for a couple cosplay (going with Wedding Atoli). But my projects for next year are all armors! ^_^ Turn A Gundam, Monster Hunter Ratholos Sol Armor and probably Monster Hunter Male Kirin Armor. I got a lot of work ahead of me. T^T

zenithvsp
07-27-2009, 05:26 PM
Sadly no. I won't be able to make it until after PMX. I have to work on my Haseo Xth Form for a couple cosplay (going with Wedding Atoli). But my projects for next year are all armors! ^_^ Turn A Gundam, Monster Hunter Ratholos Sol Armor and probably Monster Hunter Male Kirin Armor. I got a lot of work ahead of me. T^T

Ah, that's a bummer. I was hoping we'd do some battle poses n' whatnot! Gundam Unicorn vs. Turn A, ha :rolleyes: Well keep yourself paced is a good thing, I see that as a valuable asset ;] But yeah, that's quite a lot of projects on your plate! I probably couldn't do more than 1 at a time....I've been taking breaks in-between parts on my project :crylaugh:

Also, I just picked up some styrene sheets at my local "Hobby People" for about $2.00 at a pretty small size. Probably half of a regular 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper. I got .020, .030, .040 so we'll see how it turns out coupled with cardboard :rolleyes: I will also be picking up some wonderflex in the future as well!

-Jarred

Crusader_8
07-28-2009, 03:00 AM
I got my rx-78 1/100 in the mail and finished building it in a couple hours' time, so now phase 1 of project: awesome costume is underway -

PHASE 1
1) Build 1/100 model and use as reference.
2) Plan out design and build helmet with supplies on hand.
3) Buy supplies for the rest of it.

PHASE 2
1) Build.

Tony Smalls
07-28-2009, 12:15 PM
I got my rx-78 1/100 in the mail and finished building it in a couple hours' time, so now phase 1 of project: awesome costume is underway -

PHASE 1
1) Build 1/100 model and use as reference.
2) Plan out design and build helmet with supplies on hand.
3) Buy supplies for the rest of it.

PHASE 2
1) Build.

Sounds like a plan to me. XD You gotta keep us updated!

Ah, that's a bummer. I was hoping we'd do some battle poses n' whatnot! Gundam Unicorn vs. Turn A, ha :rolleyes: Well keep yourself paced is a good thing, I see that as a valuable asset ;] But yeah, that's quite a lot of projects on your plate! I probably couldn't do more than 1 at a time....I've been taking breaks in-between parts on my project :crylaugh:

That would be pretty epic if we could do battle poses together. Soon my friend...soon. We all shall have a Gundam gathering and "fight" each other. EPIC!!!!

zenithvsp
07-28-2009, 07:21 PM
I got my rx-78 1/100 in the mail and finished building it in a couple hours' time, so now phase 1 of project: awesome costume is underway -

PHASE 1
1) Build 1/100 model and use as reference.
2) Plan out design and build helmet with supplies on hand.
3) Buy supplies for the rest of it.

PHASE 2
1) Build.

Sounds great so far, just some words of the wise. You will have to make up some measurements as you go on, because it'll help with the fitting n' whatnot. You'll see what I mean in the future, but if that doesn't happen. Then....that's awesome on your part ;] And yeah, keep us updated for sure! *thumbs up*

Sounds like a plan to me. XD You gotta keep us updated!



That would be pretty epic if we could do battle poses together. Soon my friend...soon. We all shall have a Gundam gathering and "fight" each other. EPIC!!!!

Ha yeah, hopefully get a vid too. I plan to put a roller skate setup on my feet so I'd be able to slide around, so that'll be fun. Ha ^^ As of right now I'm taking a break on my Gundam, and work on my tutorial instead *thumbs up*

-Jarred

Zycariel
08-06-2009, 02:11 AM
Hi, this thread is nice. I am planning also to create a gundam suit for an event in my country. I am having a difficulty in creating the feet, what material is most suitable for it? Specially when its a platform maybe 1 ft tall. @@. I tried and miserably failed using styrofoam and corrugated plastic(Yes, quite stupid I know).

Would wood work nice? I know I need something strong and stable
since all of my weight plus the suit is carried by the feet. T_T.

And btw, is 1ft additional height in the feet for a 5ft 5inch guy like me too tall?.

Thanks in advance.

Crusader_8
08-06-2009, 08:19 PM
Working on the helmet currently now that I have materials... the tutorial is working out fine... but making the face work is gonna kill me!!!! :waaaah:

zenithvsp
08-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Hi, this thread is nice. I am planning also to create a gundam suit for an event in my country. I am having a difficulty in creating the feet, what material is most suitable for it? Specially when its a platform maybe 1 ft tall. @@. I tried and miserably failed using styrofoam and corrugated plastic(Yes, quite stupid I know).

Would wood work nice? I know I need something strong and stable
since all of my weight plus the suit is carried by the feet. T_T.

And btw, is 1ft additional height in the feet for a 5ft 5inch guy like me too tall?.

Thanks in advance.

Oh I see, that's great to hear! For the creating a gundam I mean! Firstly you will indeed have to use wood for the feet. You will have the cut the wood accurately to the style/design that you are trying to replicate, doing this will maximize the durability of the piece. Once you have done that, simple screw on an old pair of shoes and build the final details outwardly from that. Hopefully that makes sense, if you need additional info. Please feel free to private message me! Also you will be using the corrugated plastic for the outside of the gundam, sort of as a shell if you will. So keep a lot of that stuff handy!

And no I don't think that's too tall. I'm making my gundam about 1/2-1feet taller with my height (being 5'9"). So that'll make me roughly 6-1/2 feet - 7 feet tall! Ha :rolleyes: Also here's a picture showing what someone else did for the gundam's feet:

http://images.cosplay.com/photos/16/1600106.jpg

Working on the helmet currently now that I have materials... the tutorial is working out fine... but making the face work is gonna kill me!!!! :waaaah:

Awesome, be sure to provide some pictures of your work! I'm sure you'll do fine, just keep it plain and simple first, making the face plate out of a million pieces getting it proportioned n' whatnot and getting the basic shape done.....and then once you get the know how on how you want to go about making the face. Make the final piece from that in simpler terms :rolleyes:

-Jarred

Miragestudio
08-07-2009, 02:33 AM
guys,
you might be interested in this... I am still updating the tutorial bits by bits:

http://sgcafe.com/showthread.php?p=5793288#post5793288

You will need to install Flash Player in Internet Explorer to open it.

Crusader_8
08-07-2009, 06:44 PM
Bleh, then it looks like I won't get to see the tutorial... oh wells.

Small and minor update, but I purchased enough mod podge to hold a bathroom hostage. I'm not even sure what that means, but I also bought some foam brushes to apply it evenly. I'm not sure how soon I'll have pictures of progress, but I will try to update my profile with some eventually.

zenithvsp
08-07-2009, 09:34 PM
guys,
you might be interested in this... I am still updating the tutorial bits by bits:

http://sgcafe.com/showthread.php?p=5793288#post5793288

You will need to install Flash Player in Internet Explorer to open it.

Yeah my computer can't load that page very well. Maybe I can look at it when I upgrade. Ha, which will be a long time..


Bleh, then it looks like I won't get to see the tutorial... oh wells.

Small and minor update, but I purchased enough mod podge to hold a bathroom hostage. I'm not even sure what that means, but I also bought some foam brushes to apply it evenly. I'm not sure how soon I'll have pictures of progress, but I will try to update my profile with some eventually.

Gah, modpodge....I dunno, I haven't had much luck with that stuff. Especially with the paper one (blue bottle). It seems to make the paper resilient to many things, but it doesn't make it stuff/hard. But hey, maybe that's just the one I got. Hopefully you can pull something off!

-Jarred

Crusader_8
08-07-2009, 10:35 PM
Oh yeah?! Well my mod podge ain't blue! But seriously, I'm already aware that it doesn't harden things as much as the preferred bondo, but truth be told I don't want to work with bondo and the other stuff out there. Mod podge seals and will create a smooth surface, so I'm workin' with that right now.

Edit: Okay, I'll bite. Can anyone offer any extra help on how I can make the gundam face? (materials: cardboard, hotglue, etc and not using fiberglass or bondo) I keep seeing pictures of other people's gundam helmets in progress but the face is the only thing I can't figure out. If anyone has anything or any tutorial on how to craft one, (that I don't need flash to view preferably), PLEASE let me know here.

Miragestudio
08-11-2009, 08:28 PM
Oh yeah?! Well my mod podge ain't blue! But seriously, I'm already aware that it doesn't harden things as much as the preferred bondo, but truth be told I don't want to work with bondo and the other stuff out there. Mod podge seals and will create a smooth surface, so I'm workin' with that right now.

Edit: Okay, I'll bite. Can anyone offer any extra help on how I can make the gundam face? (materials: cardboard, hotglue, etc and not using fiberglass or bondo) I keep seeing pictures of other people's gundam helmets in progress but the face is the only thing I can't figure out. If anyone has anything or any tutorial on how to craft one, (that I don't need flash to view preferably), PLEASE let me know here.

There u go... http://www.cosplay.com/photo/2207123/

zenithvsp
08-11-2009, 09:49 PM
Oh yeah?! Well my mod podge ain't blue! But seriously, I'm already aware that it doesn't harden things as much as the preferred bondo, but truth be told I don't want to work with bondo and the other stuff out there. Mod podge seals and will create a smooth surface, so I'm workin' with that right now.

Edit: Okay, I'll bite. Can anyone offer any extra help on how I can make the gundam face? (materials: cardboard, hotglue, etc and not using fiberglass or bondo) I keep seeing pictures of other people's gundam helmets in progress but the face is the only thing I can't figure out. If anyone has anything or any tutorial on how to craft one, (that I don't need flash to view preferably), PLEASE let me know here.

Oh, sorry for the late reply. I didn't get a notification on your edit! Anyway, here's a link to my gallery of pictures:

http://img38.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=img2921b.jpg

Also don't mind the tape, I hot glue the cardboard together so I took them out. These are old pictures so yeah, but they tell a lot! This method of making the face with compromise of 110 Lb (pound) cardstock or sturdy poster board (24x48" sheets) found at Kmart or art stores. Which I think works better in terms of durability. Also never use hot glue for poserboard or cardstock, unless it is used in a particular part that cannot be seen. Otherwise the surface of what you just hot glued will be warped and elongated. Miragestudio as stated above has provided a mini tutorial that's based for gundams. So give that a good look =]

-Jarred

Crusader_8
08-12-2009, 06:08 PM
Okay, I will do my best. The pics from both of you are helping me plan this out and I should have my face done tonight. Well of course, unless Bioshock gets in the way, which in that case I would be done tomorrow.

I will have pics soon! It will look probably look bad! I'm not even using bondo! Feel free to lament my contemptible efforts with however much scorn as you wish.

zenithvsp
08-12-2009, 06:22 PM
Okay, I will do my best. The pics from both of you are helping me plan this out and I should have my face done tonight. Well of course, unless Bioshock gets in the way, which in that case I would be done tomorrow.

I will have pics soon! It will look probably look bad! I'm not even using bondo! Feel free to lament my contemptible efforts with however much scorn as you wish.

That's good to hear. Look forward to seeing what you come up with! Don't worry about using bondo for this. Keep up updated :rolleyes:

-Jarred

Kanomi
09-13-2009, 10:39 PM
Hello! I got a couple of question on this, mainly the legging. Looking at Exia's pieces (Miragestudio's picture) I'm wondering how he stuck the back and front shin pieces together. I'm planning to do Exia, (since I love that GN blade) but being that this will be my first mecha cosplay or any cosplay involving a body suit I'd probably mess it up xD;. Also it looks extremely hard to put on...

"I am Gundam" XD

zenithvsp
09-14-2009, 01:52 PM
I thought this thread was dead, haha

Well considering Miragestudio's type of work, he/they used simple adhesive backed Velcro to link each piece together that splits in two. You can find some generic ones from like Biglots or the 99cent store. Which come in long strips, small squares, circles, etc....Feel free to post up any other questions you may have, good day =]

-Jarred

Miragestudio
09-15-2009, 07:27 AM
Actually, I don't use industrial grade velcro...they are the normal ones used in tailoring

zenithvsp
09-15-2009, 07:24 PM
Oh really? Then that must've been some other article that I read....oh well. Then I retract that statement, and follow up with; "Adhesive backed velcro". Thank you for catching that =]

-Jarred

DS454
09-24-2009, 04:57 PM
hmmm. Very interesting. Now, the material you are all using, does get, how can i say this HEAVY! lol

Now, i can help with some of this if need. I recently made a 8 foot Evangelion 02.

I use everything my mind and body can use, think of and buy. My next cosplay is going to be a gundam, i priced it all out almost to the exact dollar amount and the time it will take to make it, should be just over a year. SO, with that said, i will be watching this post! AS for my Eva no pictures up yet, well on here till my next con.

zenithvsp
09-24-2009, 05:59 PM
Yeah, I probably wouldn't suggest using any fiberglass for the whole suit. Because that's just to much work and will be very heavy indeed. My helmet alone weighs about close to 10pounds, haha. So I'm in the works of finding new method(s) in my armor making; ex. getting cardboard & plastic to work in harmony =] Oh that's awesome, I've had this thought of making Unit 01 from Evangelion. But let's face it, the human body and an Eva don't match >.<

It is a very tedious/painstaking task indeed. That's why I put my Unicorn on hold for a little while. So there won't be any updates for a long.....time. Feel free to post up any questions/updates/suggestions or anything else that's armor related. I wish you good luck and take care!

-Jarred

DS454
09-24-2009, 08:45 PM
Oh that's awesome, I've had this thought of making Unit 01 from Evangelion. But let's face it, the human body and an Eva don't match >.<

-Jarred

I am 5'11 and 150 lbs, it is a optical illusion and a years worth of trial and errors, but the help lead to making my gundam. I have some WiP pics i think up on the internet of my head piece. Iwill send you a pm if i have some worth looking at.

LigerZero
09-27-2009, 03:29 PM
Nice hints for making a Gundam suite. Maybe this site will give you guys some hints and tips for making light weight suite with a metallic look.

NOTE: It's the same way that the famous Gundam builder Goldie uses for his gundams. ( it's his site)

HOW to make a suite ( Full Metal Panic helmet as example ) (http://gaogaygar.fc2web.com/EnglishMake01.htm)

I'm also looking for those materials in the Netherlands but they are very hard to find. Haven't found a shop yet that can supply it. Already looking for several months:waaaah::waaaah:

Ai Kazi
09-27-2009, 09:35 PM
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2) I'm glad you asked that. The best route to take, is to make your helmet out of scratch. How fun! Because you want the helmet to be as close fitting as humanly possible to avoid making other parts of the Gundam proportional. Also you must start on the head first! Here is a mini tutorial of what you can make:

http://www.geocities.com/mirage_cld2/Tutorial_head.html

I would explain it, but I'm sure you guys are tired of my long replies :rolleyes: Let me know if you have any other questions! Thanks

-Jarred

:o! Do you know if there is a way to enable to second part of the tutorial? It's really easy to understand --- I'd like to learn more from this person if possible :D

zenithvsp
09-28-2009, 11:21 AM
I don't think so. If there was some way to contact him, then that'll be your best bet. Otherwise, it's near top secret =] Also if it'll help, you can buy "Feather-weight's: Mecha Tutorial". I'm sure if you google it, you'll find it.

Goodluck,

-Jarred

zenithvsp
09-28-2009, 02:31 PM
Nice hints for making a Gundam suite. Maybe this site will give you guys some hints and tips for making light weight suite with a metallic look.

NOTE: It's the same way that the famous Gundam builder Goldie uses for his gundams. ( it's his site)

HOW to make a suite ( Full Metal Panic helmet as example ) (http://gaogaygar.fc2web.com/EnglishMake01.htm)

I'm also looking for those materials in the Netherlands but they are very hard to find. Haven't found a shop yet that can supply it. Already looking for several months:waaaah::waaaah:

Oh yeah I've seen that site. But it isn't helpful for me....I'm sure it is for others :rolleyes:

Maybe you can try getting some of that material online?

Good luck and happy cosplaying,

-Jarred

Ai Kazi
09-28-2009, 10:44 PM
I don't think so. If there was some way to contact him, then that'll be your best bet. Otherwise, it's near top secret =] Also if it'll help, you can buy "Feather-weight's: Mecha Tutorial". I'm sure if you google it, you'll find it.

Goodluck,

-Jarred


maybe XD oneday I can find it haha

anyway, i bought the book --- it helps to have it explain things in laymans terms. those shoes were driving me nuts to try and figure out :P!

LigerZero
10-03-2009, 10:02 AM
:o! Do you know if there is a way to enable to second part of the tutorial? It's really easy to understand --- I'd like to learn more from this person if possible :D


Found it here is the linkhttp://www.geocities.com/mirage_cld2/Tutorial_body.html But it only explains the Main torso

novashadow
10-10-2009, 10:42 PM
Hi im from colombia i was looking for a thread like this for a long time ago, Im right now (really right now as i wrote) a gundam cosplay of the GAT-X105E Strike noir cosplay (hi mirage XD) and is very good for all us that like the gundam and making cosplays like that to have somewhere to go to talk about thing like measurement and materials, im going to talk a little about my experience and the things that im using

First the materials that im using:

-Eva foam 4 cm wide (i dont know inches)
- Industrial cardboard (a very thick board really)
- Vinyl (is the material which is use to make car stickers)

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachments/m5-e60-group-buy-forum-sponsor-discussion-offerings/81372d1239735133-fs-cf-sticker-vinyl-pict2341.jpg
(its not mine but thats the material)

And are wonderful materials to work because it let you have some more degree of control that whit other materials (fyber, pvc, etc) and its use for cosplayers like goldy from japan.

I would like to ask is someone have tried to incorporate leds to his gundam, i think its a very good touch but i dont know very a lot to danger myself telling things about this but i have a very good tutorial that i would use this time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj6jUxMDDXE

I think that i can be used as a base for the gundam eye

To end this i have two questions that always make trouble for me when i make a cosplay

Which parts do you recomend to make in separate parts (i explain myself, if you see tutorials of mecha cosplay you will see that always the cosplayer tell that some parts are better for use in separate parts like the legs and the torso but i think it depens and change cosplayer to cosplayer, i say it because in some tutorials like the ones of goldy he make the hip in separate parts and for him work, i make the same thing only whit a few variations and i dont know how)?

How do you make round shapes (i know i know its silly but i cant do it aqnd i dont know why)?

zenithvsp
10-11-2009, 08:17 PM
Wow that was a lot to read! :crylaugh: Hehe

Welcome to this thread,

I'm glad yet another cosplayer is attempting to make a mobile suit! Upon reading your post, I have noticed that you will be using cardboard. While it's good material to work with, it's one of the most troublesome. Being to cut, harden, seal, and shape. I hope you're not planning to fiberglass yours :rolleyes:

I'm having a rather difficult time understanding your question(s). But from what I understood....you're asking what are some parts that are good to keep separate and how to make round parts using the materials that you currently have?

Well for the first question. I would say keeping everything separate, because that will increase mobility and believe it or not....it will promote greater durability. However, it's a pain to keep all of the parts together. So either way it's a win-lose/win-win situation. But whichever route you go for, it'll work one way or another. That being said, if you can make the arms and legs one piece (acts on a hinge for your joints) then that will work as well. You will have to find some ingenious way to make that hinge system work though, which takes way to much time when you could be making other parts :)

Second, it's impossible to make cardboard parts round. You can only make it semi-round (yet retaining straight lines) with cutting in edges and folding. Which can be difficult to do and explain, you'll get it when you attempt it. However, if you make that shape to your liking then you can sure cover it with the other materials you have! Or you can use automotive body filler, spread it on the surface of the shape and then sand it to the desired shape. All text and no help I know.....what specific part you are having the most trouble on? I can attempt to help you make it best I can!

Regards,

-Jarred

novashadow
10-12-2009, 06:05 PM
Thak you for your anwers first let me apologize for the way i make the questions the thing is that i dont speak o write on english because a speak spanish and you know is a little difficult to me write in english and make me understand.

Actually im using foam, the carboard is only for make some parts harder and better to wear, the part that i cant do is this:

http://gaogaygar.fc2web.com/project/alphonse/alphonse17.jpg

That is the top of the head on mostly of the gundam tutorials and to be honest is the best way (for me) to make a gundam or any mech/armor cosplay

zenithvsp
10-13-2009, 06:42 PM
Oh you are very welcome! That's okay, don't strain yourself to do something :) It takes a lot to be able to type in English, so I understand!

Ohh I see now, well in one instance to another. You'd have to harden the head eventually, however I'm rather still figuring out how using the best / efficient way possible. Well I'd suggest you look at a "Gundam Pepakura". It's basically Gundam origami, aka. papercraft. If you print a page or two out of the head, and make it. That'll give you a better idea as to how to go about making the head. Here is a sample:

http://www.mediafire.com/?nnoddnyygnz
http://www.mediafire.com/?eztbzkzyzdt

You will need "Adobe Reader" to be able to view the files correctly. Have fun with that! Also here's another idea that I'll swing by you:

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-cardboard-costume-helmet/

I would try just making some rough renders (drafts of specified part; usually consisting of a billion pieces) and then making a final copy off of that render. Also I would like to know which Gundam you are planning to create :rolleyes:

Regards,

-Jarred

Death_Bunny
10-20-2009, 08:25 PM
So I've caved, and decided to finally speak up here.

I am currently also working on a Gundam multiverse mobile suit. I already have the shield shape done, but the problem I am having is thinking of a way to get it to attach to the arm. The mobile suit I am working on is the wonderful MS-07B Gouf. I understand how I want this to look, but I want to try to get something secure enough that I do not need to hold onto it for the whole time. For those of you who do not know, here is a link showing the Gouf and some great details as well.

http://www.dalong.net/review/mg/m32/m32_p.htm

I am wondering if I might want to look at it with dowels, or PVC piping. My other concern is that I would PREFER to be able to remove the heat sword from behind the shield. I understand this might not be realistic, so not hard feelings there.

The other thing I am looking at, since this, and the Zaku suits have such wonderful piping around the head, is including a few small fans to keep me a little cooler during my "adventures". =)

zenithvsp
10-21-2009, 11:56 PM
Oh kool, a Gouf! That's sure a first!

Basically the whole "ordeal" on the shield can be summed up in this picture I made for ya:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2497/19047794.jpg

I'm sure PVC piping will work for the Gouf's special detailing. Use a pipe cutter, sand the rough edges and paint. Then you'll have yourself some good replicated piping :) The sword in the shield is a rather simple thing to do actually. Just find some rare earth magnets. Hook some up on your shield and some on your blade using some industrial strength adhesive, and you have yourself a reliable detachable sword/shield system.

Well I'm sure you'd be able to scrummage up a small air compressor system in the Gouf's backpack and power it by a small battery. Wire up some pneumatic hosing and hook em up around where you need the cooling and you're set for a couple of hours atleast :rolleyes:

Hopefully this helps..

-Jarred

Death_Bunny
10-22-2009, 05:38 PM
Thanks for the answer and the wonderful picture. It certainly gets the idea through a lot better. Magnets could indeed work very well. I am thinking from the glorious ThinkGeek.com. =)

http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/770f/

Since you seem to have many ideas for this kind of thing, I have also been toying with the idea of battle damage. I have been playing with the idea and have not found a suitable result yet. I understand most people want a pristine mobile suit, but this is a grunt suit, it is meant to take damage, and destroyed. I can carve the holes, creases and other things, but it is the colouring and minor details (like the melted and solidified clumps that tend to get left. Perhaps I am looking for too much, but it is something I want to think about depending on when it is finished and if I have time.

Lastly, I'm glad someone likes the idea of the Gouf. I've never seen one (it is usually the Gundams themselves), but it is the one I have always liked the most. The Nemo was a close second, it could be the next one....I just hope they don't make a Finding Nemo 2....it is hard enough to search Nemo without getting a fish. =S

novashadow
11-01-2009, 08:49 PM
Hi, i inform that my Strike noir gundam is "complete" sor of speak, here it is in the first test:

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs008.snc3/11532_306091295443_622540443_9594103_1212056_n.jpg

And i come to te conclusion that i need a material more durable to make reinforments in some parts as the shoes, the legs, the waist and the chest (in some way everything) do you have some advice in materials, bacuse i dont want to leave the foam and the vynil (in fact i was wondering if anyone knows something about vynil), and i was wondering how can you do very strong joints, velcro perhaps?

One last question which are the best materials to work in a gundam/mecha/armor cosplay?

zenithvsp
11-02-2009, 04:40 PM
Thanks for the answer and the wonderful picture. It certainly gets the idea through a lot better. Magnets could indeed work very well. I am thinking from the glorious ThinkGeek.com. =)

http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/770f/

Since you seem to have many ideas for this kind of thing, I have also been toying with the idea of battle damage. I have been playing with the idea and have not found a suitable result yet. I understand most people want a pristine mobile suit, but this is a grunt suit, it is meant to take damage, and destroyed. I can carve the holes, creases and other things, but it is the colouring and minor details (like the melted and solidified clumps that tend to get left. Perhaps I am looking for too much, but it is something I want to think about depending on when it is finished and if I have time.

Lastly, I'm glad someone likes the idea of the Gouf. I've never seen one (it is usually the Gundams themselves), but it is the one I have always liked the most. The Nemo was a close second, it could be the next one....I just hope they don't make a Finding Nemo 2....it is hard enough to search Nemo without getting a fish. =S

You are very welcome. I am glad that you have a better picture on how to go about your project :cool: Battle damage is most certainly an option! Plus if you have made some mistakes on the outfit, then what's better than making it look like it was intentionally there! Definitely a good idea indeed. Well to make "believable" battle damage, you're first going to have to figure out what material you'll be using. But the generality is that, all you need is to make surface imperfections; ex. carving holes, make cracks/bumps, chips, etc....and then paint using something like a sponge -- using the paint wipe off/scratch off method. I'm sure you can find some tutorial vids via Youtube. Here's a sample:

http://405th.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3395

Oh yeah that's true. Thinking outside of the box :rolleyes: I think you should do something from the advance of Zeta series (manga), that'd be awesome

Hi, i inform that my Strike noir gundam is "complete" sor of speak, here it is in the first test:

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs008.snc3/11532_306091295443_622540443_9594103_1212056_n.jpg

And i come to te conclusion that i need a material more durable to make reinforments in some parts as the shoes, the legs, the waist and the chest (in some way everything) do you have some advice in materials, bacuse i dont want to leave the foam and the vynil (in fact i was wondering if anyone knows something about vynil), and i was wondering how can you do very strong joints, velcro perhaps?

One last question which are the best materials to work in a gundam/mecha/armor cosplay?

That's a question that I always ask myself! Haha :crylaugh: For the shoes you may want to lean toward using wood -- the legs just need to be thought out carefully using internal supports n' whatnot while preserving free movement. The waist can be improvised, because it's not going to take much abuse as say the arms or something like that. The waist would only need to be used as a "free-hanging" design; ex. it'll be hanging from a harness type system that's connected like a backpack. Instead of making it join with the body itself, if that makes sense. All in all....using some type of plastic would be good. It will cost you a bunch, but it's easy to work with, you don't really have to harden it, it bonds to other plastics well and you can paint it with ease. Probably something like styrene with craft foam backing. And like wonderflex for the round parts. Other options include cardboard (would not suggest unless you have a good plan on how to harden/seal/cover it). Posterboard/cardstock and hardening it with fiberglass resin. Or paper mache. Please refer to: www.405th.com for more information regarding the fiberglass method. I can specifically help you on the type of method chosen as well..

The joints will be using a drop down method as seen in this picture:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2497/19047794.jpg

I am still finding a way to integrated a true joint system (hinge based). But basically that drop down method will do you good. But once you think about it, you can't really make joints when your making an outfit. Because it'll look pretty beefy for one, and it inhibits movement :waaaah: You can only create something that looks like a joint, but in reality it isn't.....so you're better off skipping it if you don't mind the minor setback :rolleyes:

The best material in my opinion would be.....plastic. For sure. No doubt about that. The reason why I don't use it, is because it's almost impossible to find and it's expensive. However, it's easy to work with and it's durable as stated above :)

I hope this helps in any way,

-Jarred

staticsonic
11-03-2009, 10:37 PM
I'm trying to make an infinite justice gundam but have no idea how to make it can u please help??:lost:

zenithvsp
11-03-2009, 11:11 PM
I'm trying to make an infinite justice gundam but have no idea how to make it can u please help??:lost:

There's a bazillion ways to go about making a Gundam. Which is why this thread was created. To answer your question or atleast give you some insight. Please look through the pages of this thread. Being as that they contain links and reference pictures as well as detailed information pertaining to the subject. As you have done that, and have specific questions. Then that's when I will be able to further assist you. Reason being, your question is very broad; ex. to general and can be somewhat answered if the time was taken to search around the various articles/tutorials and stickies that are posted on this website :) Also here are some pictures of others who have done that particular Gundam:

http://blog.sanriotown.com/nanao_chan:kuririnmail.com/files/2007/10/pconline24seedcos051.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1024/996674348_c36770a7e2.jpg?v=0

I will gladly help you when you have figured out what to specifically ask. There's only a certain amount of space and time! Hehe, so if you're still not sure what is being presented here. What are you specifically needing help with? I know that you're wanting to know how, but that's just way to broad for me to even begin to answer :crylaugh:

Regards,

-Jarred

staticsonic
11-04-2009, 10:04 AM
I guess i just have trouble on the head. i keep messing up the design and it comes out looking deformed

staticsonic
11-04-2009, 10:04 AM
most around the forehead

zenithvsp
11-04-2009, 02:54 PM
Ah yes the head. The most difficult part to make of all but oddly the funnest. You haven't established what material you are planning to use. Are you using paper or something?

If so, then you're in for a treat! I found you a papercraft file for the "Infinite Justice Gundam" bust. Basically you follow the instructions on building it. And as soon as you have it completely built, then simply make a duplicate of it using your methods as per how you're going to be able to wear it. Then that will give you the motivation to either keep that render and just harden it or use some other material. Please refer here: http://405th.com/forums/index.php?showforum=12

Also I would highly recommend that you go to Kinko's or some other printing place and print the papercraft files on A4 type paper that is 110 pound cardstock, or any type of cardstock. That way, you'll have a pretty good size head built that's sturdy :) Alrighty so basically go here to download the files: http://www.cardmodel.cn/redirect.php?tid=2737&goto=lastpost

Simply save each file, open each one individually, extract them to one place and it will ask you "do you want to replace each file" and it will say that 2-3 times and just click "yes to all" each time it does and you'll be fine. Also you'll need Adobe Reader to view the files.

Enjoy,

-Jarred

staticsonic
11-04-2009, 08:25 PM
huh? ah man my computer won't let me open the bust file:bigcry:
oh well....:sulk:

zenithvsp
11-04-2009, 09:09 PM
huh? ah man my computer won't let me open the bust file:bigcry:
oh well....:sulk:

Oh that's a shame indeed.

How about this. Since I already have the files downloaded and simplified, why don't I just email you the files instead? Go ahead and send me your email address via private messaging, and I'll send you the files right on over. Let me know what you want to do..

Regards,

-Jarred

staticsonic
11-04-2009, 09:58 PM
Wow Thanks!:bigtu:

zenithvsp
11-04-2009, 10:14 PM
Wow Thanks!:bigtu:

You're welcome!

Also be sure to post up what you have and how your papercraft is going for ya, as well as any questions you may have. Looking forward to your progress and goodluck :)

Regards,

-Jarred

novashadow
11-05-2009, 07:15 PM
Hey jarred when you mention straps do you mean velcro? if that so i would show how it might be and you make me some corrections

zenithvsp
11-05-2009, 08:29 PM
Yep, you will want to use both adhesive backed and non-adhesive backed velcro straps/strips. Or you can use thick string, shoe laces, or rope (if it ever comes to that). Because in "traditional" armor making n' whatnot, there tends to be the option of having the part(s) strap onto your body and promote loss of circulation if tightened to much. And that's not what we want :) Here's a picture of an Air-Soft Shoulder Pistol Harness/Holster which can be used to hold the straps in place utilizing the drop down method.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7238/pvch170b.jpg

Hope this helps,

-Jarred

Afrokenshi
11-09-2009, 01:19 AM
Im currently working on a ground combat type zaku II cosplay, and the main problem i seem to be having is figuring out how to make the rounded shapes on the legs, and whether or not i can get the shoulder joints to move.

zenithvsp
11-09-2009, 01:52 PM
Oh alrighty, well first what type of material structure are you using for the legs? Also you're going to have to have the shoulder joints/shoulder armor connected to the body. Because if you somehow integrate them into the actual arm(s), then you will have the issue of the entire area to slop or bag down because of that weight. If that makes sense of course..

You can also refer here as well: http://www.cosplay.com/gallery/157917/

Regards,

-Jarred

Afrokenshi
11-09-2009, 08:48 PM
Ive been using those photos as a reference prior, and the material im going to be using is most likely craftfoam with a a cardboard or wire support structure, unless there are other low-cost alternatives and as for the shoulders i got the idea of making them move after watching this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs-eCBDqdos&feature=related, i'm trying to figure out how he did it. the rest of the suit i already have a good idea of what to do.

Afrokenshi
11-09-2009, 11:49 PM
Ive been using those photos as a reference prior, and the material im going to be using is most likely craftfoam with a a cardboard or wire support structure, unless there are other low-cost alternatives and as for the shoulders i got the idea of making them move after watching this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs-eCBDqdos&feature=related, i'm trying to figure out how he did it. the rest of the suit i already have a good idea of what to do. plus i have at least seven mastergrade zakus so im using those as a reference

Afrokenshi
11-10-2009, 12:05 AM
Ive been using those photos as a reference prior, and the material im going to be using is most likely craftfoam with a a cardboard or wire support structure, unless there are other low-cost alternatives and as for the shoulders i got the idea of making them move after watching a video of a zaku cosplayer on youtube who went to ROMICS 2009 (if you can please watch it), i'm trying to figure out how he did it. the rest of the suit i already have a good idea of what to do. plus i have at least seven mastergrade zaku models so im using those as a reference.

zenithvsp
11-10-2009, 10:09 PM
Alrighty, that's probably the best way to go and probably would offer the best results for those round parts as found on the Zaku. However, I am still in the works of using foam as well. So that I cannot tell you how to, if I could I would because it'd help me out too. Hehe :crylaugh: After watching that video, I am very impressed! I can't tell what he used let alone what method was incorporated into making the shoulders. The left shoulder seems to be hooked onto the body, having a circular hinge type ordeal. Probably something similar to that of what Mirage (Clive Lee) uses on creating his suits. Here's a picture of what I mean:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7480/54128003.jpg

Also if you want to use foam for the rounded parts as you stated before. Then I would (if I were you) make some renders. Meaning, make an "attempt" at creating the rounded part(s) using some simple cardstock or construction paper. It's basically the same principal as using foam; ex. cutting--overlapping, etc....basically what you do end up making with the paper, you will then transfer that design onto your foam. Hopefully that makes sense..

-Jarred

Afrokenshi
11-10-2009, 10:21 PM
I made a much simpler zaku cosplay before and i must admit the foam was extremely satisfying to work with, especially on the helmet, and thankyou, that shoulder join design u showed me is going to be very helpful XD, and on the video where do you see that it is hooked? at the beggining it looks like he can raise and lower it freely,and also i will try rendering it first using cardstock, i was thinking about cutting out four appropriate shapes and the assebling them ontop of a wire structure, i wonder how that will go, also do you know if there are any papercraft zaku instructions anywhere? i seem to be havin no luck finding them, o also i need some help on how to keep the leg part on my legs, that was a major problem i had with the first suit the upper thigh parts kept sliding down -.-, i was thinkign maybe link them to the belt im going to be using for the skirt armor?

aznpride1150
11-11-2009, 04:20 PM
hello, i am in process of makng a striker gundam evolve
checking out the links everyone posted, looks like its going to help me alot
thank you
started with the helm, got the base of helm going, so going to be using your links to help continue it, really like featherweight's helmt, its the same gundam, so using that for alot of ref, but mine goign to be evolve version, so there small changes, but defly look great
and im sure i will have questions along the way
thank again for posting everyone

aznpride1150
11-12-2009, 09:51 PM
okay, already, im stuck, i cant seem to top the head, like the curve of the helmet ontop
cant sum1 show me the shapes i should cut out? featherweight's top curve was amazing, but iv tried cuting my poster sheet out MANY time, it just doesnt form, (poster is trial, im using cardboard), and also the back of the head i cant seem to cover yet, i think i need the top covered first and after that is the back of head, so yea...anyone help me with the top? bought featehrweight's book too but it doesnt help me with that curve he made on his
thank in advance

zenithvsp
11-14-2009, 02:08 PM
I made a much simpler zaku cosplay before and i must admit the foam was extremely satisfying to work with, especially on the helmet, and thankyou, that shoulder join design u showed me is going to be very helpful XD, and on the video where do you see that it is hooked? at the beggining it looks like he can raise and lower it freely,and also i will try rendering it first using cardstock, i was thinking about cutting out four appropriate shapes and the assebling them ontop of a wire structure, i wonder how that will go, also do you know if there are any papercraft zaku instructions anywhere? i seem to be havin no luck finding them, o also i need some help on how to keep the leg part on my legs, that was a major problem i had with the first suit the upper thigh parts kept sliding down -.-, i was thinkign maybe link them to the belt im going to be using for the skirt armor?

You are very welcome! Well if using the method I stated in my previous post, that circular hinge system would be integrated with the body and the arm. To much work if you ask me. I would be willing to bet that the person who made that Zaku on the vid, simply used a series of straps and harnesses. Along with a sturdy arm structure. He or she sure did a good job on that as well. I know for a fact that the entire arm assembly is hanging off of the shoulder. The question of "how" & "what" is a little iffy to me, being as that he/she has their own method :) That I cannot tell you, but goes along the lines of exploring. However, I will scrummage up something for ya if and when I have the time :crylaugh: That method will work; however, you must find a way to properly secure the cardstock on the wiring. I would try pepakura'ing (papercraft) first, because that will give you a lot of insight as to how to get shapes to be done. I was on the verge of searching one for you, but I haven't come across any. I've downloaded the Zaku II (green) and the Char's Zaku (red) pepakura files once, but that was a long time ago....way back when my computer was running well before reformatting :rolleyes: You my friend just answered your own question, hehe. You will be using the same "drop-down" method as used for the arms. Except this time, the thigh/knee/legs will be conjoined onto a belt. That being said, the belt might not have enough "snugness" to keep the entire assembly secure. So if I were you, I would find some way to use something like this:

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4599/19855312.jpg

Also the skirt armor will be based on that as well. I will get back to you on the pepakura file(s) if and when I come across some

okay, already, im stuck, i cant seem to top the head, like the curve of the helmet ontop
cant sum1 show me the shapes i should cut out? featherweight's top curve was amazing, but iv tried cuting my poster sheet out MANY time, it just doesnt form, (poster is trial, im using cardboard), and also the back of the head i cant seem to cover yet, i think i need the top covered first and after that is the back of head, so yea...anyone help me with the top? bought featehrweight's book too but it doesnt help me with that curve he made on his
thank in advance

Ah yes, that part is always a little tricky. But for using cardboard, it makes it ever so difficult. But nor impossible. You will have to cut in a series of triangles and such to be able to get a circular curvature when using cardboard. The same technique making papercraft also applies to cardboard, which is why I'm supplying you with this:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7851/67524439.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2676/26802456.jpg

Use them wisely and to the best of your knowledge :)

Hope this helps,

-Jarred

Death_Bunny
11-14-2009, 09:25 PM
I have nothing to really report on my Gouf, but I do have something to add to the posts I've been reading the last couple of weeks. When I get stck on some things, I tend to go and research medieval armour. Since the mecha is more or less a suit of armour made from different materials, I find the construction methods can be quite similar.

Because of this, and my facination with these things, I have been looking at some of these things for years, I just never bothered to link them. I'm sorry.

The first link will give you some basic information for the entire suit. It may not all apply, but it may give you some ideas or help you out of a jamb for other parts. The second is the main page for Arador. The last link is to someone's personal page that shows several different suits of armour they have made. Hope they help even a little.

http://www.arador.com/construction/Basic-Armouring.pdf
http://www.arador.com/main/index.html
http://www.leahurst.org/

Afrokenshi
11-16-2009, 01:47 AM
how do i delete all my delayed posts from earlier?

zenithvsp
11-16-2009, 12:21 PM
I know for a fact that you cannot delete any posts. That's up to the moderators/admins; however, they hardly do so. But as for the "delayed posts", I'm not sure what you mean :)

-Jarred

zenithvsp
11-17-2009, 05:26 PM
I have nothing to really report on my Gouf, but I do have something to add to the posts I've been reading the last couple of weeks. When I get stck on some things, I tend to go and research medieval armour. Since the mecha is more or less a suit of armour made from different materials, I find the construction methods can be quite similar.

Because of this, and my facination with these things, I have been looking at some of these things for years, I just never bothered to link them. I'm sorry.

The first link will give you some basic information for the entire suit. It may not all apply, but it may give you some ideas or help you out of a jamb for other parts. The second is the main page for Arador. The last link is to someone's personal page that shows several different suits of armour they have made. Hope they help even a little.

http://www.arador.com/construction/Basic-Armouring.pdf
http://www.arador.com/main/index.html
http://www.leahurst.org/

Actually those are some nice finds, they contain great information and details pertaining to armoring. As well as being good references! Your contribution and findings are very appreciated :cool:

Just let us know if any updates arise on your suit, and I'll try to do the same! Hehe :crylaugh:

Regards,

-Jarred

Afrokenshi
11-17-2009, 05:49 PM
they didnt show up automatically like i thought they would XD its probbably cuz i stuck a youtube link on

khaiyin
11-17-2009, 08:02 PM
Some very nice info on that armor-making pdf file :) especially the parts about articulated joints.
And is it just me, or are the armors on those last 2 web-sites just begging to be hit in the crotch?

aznpride1150
11-24-2009, 10:09 PM
kool, that is awesome, thank alot, been so busy lately..finally got time to work on it
ill try working around using ur pic, thank again so much
in thinkinkg of covering it with either paper mache or plaster of paris..which yal think? ill have bondo filling it and sand them to get the good look

Death_Bunny
11-24-2009, 10:12 PM
This one is a bit of a read, (the article posted in the link) but it might solve part of the problem for the shoulder armour. Basically, the last photo shows the way it is to connect to the other parts of the armour. There is a leather strap on the top of the plate, and a second on the bottom.

The top leather strap attaches to the armour covering the chest (if this is not possible, perhaps to each shoulder across the back to avoid choking). The bottom straps wrap around the arm itself to keep it close to the arm.

I understand that you will have limited mobility with the arm for the Zaku shoulders (Zaku I might not be too bad for one arm =P), but that is the next thing I am thinking on. I'm more concerned about looks myself. I'll suffer through it for an awesome costume. =)

http://www.arador.com/construction/spaulders.html

Tom DePetrillo
11-28-2009, 11:54 PM
LOVE this thread, I have made 2 Gundam suits and several other robot costumes. One method I have not heard mentioned hear is to make a skeleton of aluminum and stretch spandex over it. I used it on 2 bots( ROCKEM-SOCKEM) and they were indestructible(Vegas nightclub rave party proff) With a set of low stilts I was head and shoulders over the crowd. Might I suggest the use of motorcycle body armor as an inner core to hang things off.

ichaichen
11-29-2009, 05:22 PM
This thread is really informative
though I have questions on scaling papercraft models I.e. What kind of scale is commonly used, should the helmet be scaled differently from the main body etc.
Thx in advance to those that can answer this.

Death_Bunny
11-30-2009, 09:49 PM
I honestly think that the scaling should be mostly done according to your own dimensions. If you are tall and thin, great! If you are short and wide, fine, it just might have more of an SD look to it.

I know personally with the suit I am making, and the pictures I am using for reference, I tend to use 1 centimetre = 3.25 inches for width, and 1 centimetre = 3.55 inches for height. This applies to the lower body at this point. I then break down every angle into its component vertical and horizontal components and calculate how many inches the hypotenuse is. Never thought I would be applying basic math in this way, but hey! It works for me.

Mind you this would not be working quite the same if I wasn't planning on adding to my height to make the legs longer.

zenithvsp
01-29-2010, 11:21 AM
Oh my my, I do apologize you all. I have not replied to this thread since....last November. I haven't been getting any notifications that any body has made a post. Deep apologies! I will try to pick up where we left off.

In terms of sizing. If you have a pepakura file (paper-craft), then I would start from the head. Printing out whatever the head contains and then constructing it -- keeping in mind that this head will be a render so it most likely won't be the final draft. I would then measure the size of my head from ear to ear or perhaps smaller, and then measure my chin up to the top of my head. And then compare and contrast with the render you just made; making the necessary adjustments on pepakura deciding on what size to print and basically go from there. That's how I was able to do some parts. However since I do not have access to a large printer, I was limited to what I was able to print out; which was small parts. Well at any rate, if you've figured out the sizing then everything else should be a breeze. Basically you will compare the size of the head of the final draft; ex. head's width is...6" across and the chest's width is roughly about two sizes bigger than the head and a couple of inches more across (arm to arm) -- so that's the size of two heads (6" each) and let's say 2 inches more. So in turn, the chest's length/width would be 14". If the sizing is off some and you'd like to make it bigger or smaller, please feel free to!

I hope this post helps and I look forward to discussing more

Regards,

-Jarred

farmerjhon
02-25-2010, 12:44 PM
Hello everyone, I'm pretty new to mech cosplaying so i don't know a whole lot, but you gotta start somewhere. I am planning to to cosplay as tall geese 3 from gundam wing endless walts series. I have started out by buying a model kit in order to get the scaling, sizing and shapping right. I am planning to make it mostly out of cardboard since its cheap and readly avaiable. I am having trouble with mainly curved areas, the sholders, and the hands. Also if anyone have a papercraft file of some sort for anyversion of tallgeese that would be a big help. Thanks >^-^<

zenithvsp
02-25-2010, 03:35 PM
And hello to you too! Well we've all been on that page in at one point or another and I will be glad to assist you in your endeavors :) That's a great choice for a mobile suit! I think Tallgeese III is the best looking out of the 3, so kudos on that -- I'm assuming you purchased the high grade model? If so then that'd be a good kit to refer from. I don't see overtly circular shapes from the pictures I am looking at; however, there are some curved shapes as you stated. Which can be created easily with cardboard with just some minor cutting and overlapping. My question for you is, what do you plan on using to cover the cardboard to get a smooth surface and how are you planning to make it hard at that? I hope that you don't say fiberglass or anything like that :crylaugh: Once we figure that out then it's somewhat smooth sailing from there -- also regarding to the papercraft file(s). I haven't been able to find any as of yet. That being said, I have seen maybe "Leo" or two some months ago but I have forgotten where. So that route is closed off. I will continue to search for the files via the net but don't keep your hopes up!

Regards,

-Jarred

farmerjhon
02-28-2010, 09:27 AM
Thanks for trying, I looked a whole lot before posting this as well. As far as making it harder and smooth I'm not quite sure. I think I will have to play around with it. I do have a question though. Do you know anything about making beam sabers cause I am completely stumped on that. I am also unsure of how to mount his jet packs on my back with structural problems. Thanks for your help!

Mazinkaiser_DX
03-09-2010, 02:21 PM
Hi, I'm thinking about doing a Mazinger Z cosplay along with a friend doing Grendizer, and although i know this thread says "Gundam", it's kind of the better mecha cosplay thread i've found. Basically, i'm thinking on using the Featherweight's method, the thing is, Mazinger Z and Grendizer are a lot "rounder" than Gundams, so i thought i'd ask for ideas here, on how to achieve that using cardboard =D. I probably don't need to post a reference picture, but just in case, here it goes:

Left=Mazinger Right: Grendizer (http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8951/00azn3.jpg)

zenithvsp
03-22-2010, 11:35 PM
Oh wow, I do apologize farmerjhon and Mazinkaiser_DX -- I am not getting notifications for new posts for this thread! I'll do my best to help you both out!

farmerjhon: beam sabers are definitely among the list of difficult things to create. I personally have avoided making beam sabers for the sole reason of messing up. If there was some way to get a hold of some sort of acrylic or plastic that's clear and find a way to mold/shape it into the form of a beam saber. Then dye or paint it translucent, that'd seal the deal. If it were made from any other material, that would definitely work as well -- just not offer that clear'ish look but rather a dull/flat look so to speak. That being said, I'm sure there's ways to paint to achieve the "glowing" look. The easiest way I can think of to use as a material would be some sort of foam that's high in density. There was a way of then covering the foam to make that smooth look. If you're interested I'll message you something related to that. In regards to the shoulder I can make a picture for you that'll give you some ideas on how to go about making them. I will most likely end up messaging you anyway, but it's good to know if you're still interested so let me know!

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Alright Mazinkaiser_DX, you're up next! Boy do I have some articles for you :) Here's a translated cosplay manufacture page that I think will give you some insight on how to go about your project: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://page.freett.com/darkknight/%25EF%25BD%2582%25EF%25BD%258C%25EF%25BD%2584repo. html&ei=8UKoS6HNI4OMtAPV_6iiAQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAcQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://page.freett.com/darkknight/%2525EF%2525BD%252582%2525EF%2525BD%25258C%2525EF% 2525BD%252584repo.html%26hl%3Den

Featherweight's tutorials are, for the most part, well written and documents well to what's being explained. I must stress that before you buy his tutorial, that you research into other materials other than cardboard. Which is Featherweight's main medium (from what I've seen); reasons are explained below. As far as making that particular character using cardboard -- it wouldn't be a wise choice. Reason being, cardboard can only be folded/flexed so much. However, that being said, you can most certainly pull it off no doubt about that. But, you will have to have a great amount of smoothing agents to get the rounded texture. Which equates to the effort in researching on another type of material and budgeting towards something much more economical and user-friendly, so to speak. Assuming that you'll be using some sort of automotive material for the cardboard...I would suggest you look into the foam that the articles supplied above depict. Some other materials include: styrene and wonderflex. All of which are a somewhat easy route to go by. Definitely do some in-depth research before undergoing such a tremendous feat. Look at various articles and results for other materials and shop around; compare and see which place(s) save you the most money. Make some calls and post for some help; such as on this thread :) I think that pretty much sums up my answer(s) to your questions. If I have missed something or there is something you don't quite understand, please feel free to post! Also I do thank you for recognizing this thread and making the effort in posting!

Regards,

-Jarred

farmerjhon
03-31-2010, 09:31 PM
Yes I would be very interested. I did some searching on light sabers and found a few that were pretty beast. They used high powered Leds and clear polycarbonate tubes with some sort of reflective sheet inside in order to produce a a very bright saber. It would be simple to turn it into a beam saber except for the shape of the tube itself, but since it is made of polycarbonate, if heated correctly one may be able to alter the shape of tube in order to get the beam affect.

zenithvsp
03-31-2010, 09:53 PM
Oh okay, I thought you might be :) That's definitely a start -- from what I was able to read from what you typed, making a beam sabre/saber that way would be pretty difficult if you don't have the right tools and or capacity. However, it is most certainly not impossible that's for sure. I'll see if I can scrummage up some articles and examples for you. Led lights are pretty simple to rig up. Most components can be found at Hobby shops/stores and at times, Radioshack as well. I know there's more, but it's out of my knowledge. As far as making a diagram for you on the shoulders, give me a couple of days to compile a picture for you that's specifically geared for the Tallgeese-III. It might be done on an Illustrator program for the sake of getting the correct measurements. Anyway, I'll post up when I'm finished so that you as well as others can benefit :crylaugh:

Do you have any other questions and or requests before I get started on the picture(s) on the shoulders?

-Jarred

Pilot
04-01-2010, 10:48 AM
Awesome! Always good to find other people doing mecha cosplays. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this thread.

zenithvsp
04-02-2010, 12:27 AM
Yes I would be very interested. I did some searching on light sabers and found a few that were pretty beast. They used high powered Leds and clear polycarbonate tubes with some sort of reflective sheet inside in order to produce a a very bright saber. It would be simple to turn it into a beam saber except for the shape of the tube itself, but since it is made of polycarbonate, if heated correctly one may be able to alter the shape of tube in order to get the beam affect.

It seems as though the article I was referring to on the beam saber has long been taken down. I was not able to find another article pertaining to that subject; however, I'm sure I've seen a few on this website's forum that were talking about making beam sabers. I have yet to locate them -- when I do find them I will post the links up. I found a funny toy today that Bandai makes. It's sort of like a light-saber from StarWars that makes those sounds, anyway maybe this could be some sort of start:
http://www.collectiondx.com/system/files/pn-0884.JPG

Here's an example of a Tallgeese cosplay, look closely at the arms:
http://www.darkbolt.com/extra/tallgeese.jpg

Here is the picture I told you I'd make. Kinda quick but it may get the point across than in plain words. Hopefully it will give you some insight:
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1682/tg2m.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3483/64592623.jpg

I hope I nailed everything you asked! Let me know if you have any other questions :snoring:

Awesome! Always good to find other people doing mecha cosplays. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this thread.

Ha yeah, I should be starting up a newer and better project up soon. It might have something to do with my Gundam Unicorn suit, but who knows hehe :crylaugh: Looking forward to seeing what you are able to contribute to this thread!

Regards,

-Jarred

farmerjhon
04-06-2010, 07:10 PM
oH THAT HELPS A BUNCH THANKS! So basically make a single piece of sorts that rests on my back and make shoulder pads that swivel on the ends. That other pic you posted as well help too. I my just forget the saber considering he already has his cannon and heatrod, but I still might try to make one. thanks for your help>^-^<

zenithvsp
04-06-2010, 07:25 PM
Oh you're welcome -- I do apologize, but the pictures I had made for you were rushed through due to time constraints. So I didn't really explain things well as I should have. However, I'm glad you get the general idea for what to look for when making your suit :crylaugh:

Well if you some how pulled off doing a saber then that'd be extra frosting on a cake, but it's not entirely needed if you got that big cannon and shield ha; if you have any other questions please feel free to post!

Regards,

-Jarred

Konvict
04-09-2010, 12:25 AM
Hey everyone,

After carefully scouting out the project which I will be undertaking for the last few weeks. I have started to create my own RX-0 Unicorn Gundam (Ver. KA) mobile suit.

Big task is ahead, and zenithvsp I can see all the difficulties you have encountered on your journey. Good work so far! :)

First a bit about me, I'm very anal about things and a perfectionist when it comes to creating something. When I create something I go over quality rather than a small budget. So I don't mind spending big bucks for a better outcome.

This will be my very first cosplay costume (which I will wear to Supanova in Sydney) and the most difficult thing I will every undertake...

I have chosen a high density, rigid styrefoam which is closed cell. I have been currently forming the head into the desired shape in sections of foam which I will then define with body filler and eventually vacuum form them in acrylic plastic. Then stick them back together like an over-sized model... hehe

The helmet will also be transformable, with simple spring loaded side sections and a opening feeler. It will have LED's positioned inside the helmet which is then padded using foam and strapping.

My question is has anyone ever completed a full Gundam suit in plastic? and are there any drawbacks which I may have missed?

Also has anyone ever made a transforming one? :P

So far it has been difficult and expensive but my god it will be worth every effort :)

P.S I will submit some photos at a later date.

zenithvsp
04-09-2010, 10:25 AM
Ha imagine that, so I'm not the only one with the same goals n' whatnot let alone a perfectionist making the Unicorn Gundam :crylaugh:

If I may say so myself, good starting point for the materials *thumbs up* Thankfully you didn't mention anything about fiberglass! Ha -- as far as using styrene and filler. Basically that already sounds like a big model kit to me! I'll give you a link that should help a little bit:

http://mydumbprojects.blogspot.com/2005_09_04_archive.html

Basically he's using the same method, so that should give spark some ideas. Also a transformable helmet huh? Sounds like a great idea! I've thought about doing that as well, but I rather like the Unicorn than the actual RX-0 "look", just me though. As far as that goes, I have another link that will be of some use:

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/forums/showthread.php/25664-check-out-my-iron-man-helmet!

As far as making that with LED's, that's out of my area! Haha -- I could, however, direct you to where ever articles may lie. A good place to start would be: www.405th.com

To my knowledge nobody has made or from what I have seen, made any Gundams out of plastic. Which to me is odd because that seems to be the way to go in terms of making a great looking outfit. That being said, it may prove to be a difficult task in creating such a big model kit, as it were, with a hard to come by and expensive piece of material. Still that won't stop me neither you, hehe :o Also I do not know if any body has made a transformable suit. Probably, probably not. If they have, then they weren't pictured and or recognized for it, sadly.

Looking forward to what you come up with! And keep us updated on your progress and good luck! Also here is yet another link:

http://www.freewebs.com/zanderwitaz/gundamarmorsuit.htm

Regards,

-Jarred

Konvict
04-09-2010, 12:08 PM
Hey Jarrad,

I hate fiberglass, IMO it's a nightmare to work with :P

I am thinking about ordering the Unicorn Gundam MG Model and scaling the parts up and creating them. However waiting 4 weeks to get the model is quite a long time..

Oh I also forgot to mention I have a deadline of June 18th to complete it. So far in the last 3 days I have worked a total of 8 hours on this mammoth of a project. How many hours have you spent on making your costume?

I rather like the Unicorn than the actual RX-0 "look", just me though.

Do you mean normal mode compared to "destroy" mode? I think the all white looks neat also, and by far would be much easier to build than the destroy version... I always seem to pick the hardest things to make :(

Anyway as of now I have formed the right side of the helm which has been primed and still needs some small modifications.

Thanks for the links :bigtu:

zenithvsp
04-09-2010, 01:12 PM
Ha yeah it is a nightmare; however if you get it to work right you can get some neat results. I have yet to do so, I shamefully say :)

Yeah, doing an MG kit would be a good way to go. Unless if you don't have the money, I'd look into the HGUC kit for $20. I've seen a few Unicorn Gundam busts, scale 1/48 on sale awhile back. As far as I know they were a limited run. That's definitely aid in some ways for making the head for sure

Wow, that's quite an undertaking in a small amount of time. The only thing I can say is get a lot of coffee ready and good luck! Haha -- as for me, it took about 1-2 months, if I can recall correctly, to make the upper body and misc. other parts. I was slacking off while doing it so that took a chunk of time, hehe :crylaugh:

Yeah I meant the normal mode, sorry for the confusion! Honestly I wanted to do both but that'd just be way too hard and take a considerable amount of time. I do want to salute your dedication nonetheless! Keep us posted and if possible pictures would be great as well!

Regards,

-Jarred

stratum75
04-10-2010, 02:08 PM
What kind of styrene did you use for: http://www.freewebs.com/zanderwitaz/gundamarmorsuit.htm
For instance how thick were the sheets?

Death_Bunny
04-10-2010, 08:08 PM
Not much to add today. I've been following the posts for the last few months. Been too upset to comment. Let me put it this way.... an upset spouse left unattended near Gouf..... It didn't end well.

Anyway. For now I've got it on hold until I can find a place to put it out of their reach.

Also, this might not be quite what you are looking for when it comes to the beam saber, but could you not use / modify a light saber prop? Did you want it retractable for mounting? (I am assuming this is the case)

stratum75
04-10-2010, 10:49 PM
Okay, I took a quick picture of what I have so far. Which is only the basic structure/supports, I will cover the parts with simplified cardboard (no individual pieces) to achieve a better look.....It's only a sample, so here it is:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9932/img2769ypc.jpg

I will take more in the future. Hopefully I can get the Torso, Head, Crotch/Panels, arms, and shoulders done by early to mid August (next month) :crylaugh:

-Jarred

Did you use a hot glue gun to stick the pieces together in that image?

zenithvsp
04-11-2010, 11:46 AM
Not much to add today. I've been following the posts for the last few months. Been too upset to comment. Let me put it this way.... an upset spouse left unattended near Gouf..... It didn't end well.

Anyway. For now I've got it on hold until I can find a place to put it out of their reach.

Also, this might not be quite what you are looking for when it comes to the beam saber, but could you not use / modify a light saber prop? Did you want it retractable for mounting? (I am assuming this is the case)

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that Death_Bunny. That's truly a shame indeed. I hope that you get back on your feet soon nonetheless. And I hope nothing like that happens again! Totally unfair..

As far as the beam saber goes, you can use anything. It's just that people want to make "authentic" ones that don't retract. Though it'll be quite hard to carry around when traveling. You can sure use Star Wars light sabers if that works for you *thumbs up*

Did you use a hot glue gun to stick the pieces together in that image?

Oh yeah, I first used tape to hold some of the parts together and then used hot glue. Then ripped the tape off to get that "clean" look. Still doesn't do justice to what I "could have" done though *sigh*

-Jarred

Konvict
04-12-2010, 10:01 AM
Let me put it this way.... an upset spouse left unattended near Gouf..... It didn't end well.


I am heart broken... :(


What kind of styrene did you use for: http://www.freewebs.com/zanderwitaz/gundamarmorsuit.htm
For instance how thick were the sheets?

Depends on what you want to use, I came across this method in creating your helmet (I am attempting this) so far so good :)

http://www.hobbyfanatics.com/index.php?showtopic=6761

Top stuff, the best photos are at the end of the thread.

As far as the beam saber goes, you can use anything. It's just that people want to make "authentic" ones that don't retract. Though it'll be quite hard to carry around when traveling. You can sure use Star Wars light sabers if that works for you *thumbs up*

Agreed, I have just finished my Chrome lightsaber/beam saber, it will do the job with a polycarbonate tube and a bright red star led.

Here is the foam i am using. High density Styrofoam.
http://www.dctech.com.au/applications/surfboards/

zenithvsp
04-12-2010, 08:21 PM
I am heart broken... :(




Depends on what you want to use, I came across this method in creating your helmet (I am attempting this) so far so good :)

http://www.hobbyfanatics.com/index.php?showtopic=6761

Top stuff, the best photos are at the end of the thread.



Agreed, I have just finished my Chrome lightsaber/beam saber, it will do the job with a polycarbonate tube and a bright red star led.

Here is the foam i am using. High density Styrofoam.
http://www.dctech.com.au/applications/surfboards/

Indeed. Stratum75, I do apologize for the late reply! As far as the Styrene sheets go. Zander was using just some plastic sheets from HomeDepot; ex. for sale signs, etc. They're about a credit card's thickness, equaling at about .040 That's probably as thin as I would go to tell you the truth...maybe .030 tops. Thicker, at times, is always a better way to go if you don't want to risk any damage n' whatnot. Just my take *thumbs up*

Too bad you have to sign in/log in to view the photos Konvict! :crylaugh:

I'm pretty much open to any kind of dense foam. The stuff seems to get the job done in an economic friendly and safe manner. I've been looking at Volara foam; which ultimately seems to be what the other "Gundamer's" use with incredible results :eek:

Good news and bad news. I just shipped off my Gundam Unicorn today to a fellow free of charge (exception for shipping rates); which is good because he can finish what I started! As far as I know, I had no intentions of finishing it. Merely to kill my "free time" as it were, ha

-Jarred

stratum75
04-13-2010, 12:30 AM
Thanx a lot zenithvsp no harm done by the late reply. I was looking for a general idea for the thickness of the styrene I'll be purchasing for my mecha suit. It's not actually a gundam though. I'm trying to pull off one of the gunmen or (mechas) from one of my favorite animes called Gurren Lagann. The one I'm trying to build to almost perfectionist levels of accuracy is this:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/gurennlagann/images/3/37/Chogingagurrenlagann.gif

All my friends say I'm totally screwed but the Con I'm going to have its debut at isn't till a year from now, so I think I have time.:bigtu: Oh it's name is Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann if you haven't seen the series.

Konvict
04-13-2010, 08:40 AM
Too bad you have to sign in/log in to view the photos Konvict! :crylaugh:

Sorry man, forgot to mention it. Worth it IMO but yea didn't post or say anything... :skidude2:

Finding it hard to motivate myself to sit in the garage with my dremel... :(

zenithvsp
04-13-2010, 01:16 PM
Thanx a lot zenithvsp no harm done by the late reply. I was looking for a general idea for the thickness of the styrene I'll be purchasing for my mecha suit. It's not actually a gundam though. I'm trying to pull off one of the gunmen or (mechas) from one of my favorite animes called Gurren Lagann. The one I'm trying to build to almost perfectionist levels of accuracy is this:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/gurennlagann/images/3/37/Chogingagurrenlagann.gif

All my friends say I'm totally screwed but the Con I'm going to have its debut at isn't till a year from now, so I think I have time.:bigtu: Oh it's name is Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann if you haven't seen the series.

Ha, awesome -- well what are you doing here if you're not building a Gundam? So get out...ha only kidding :P You know by looking at the shoulders of that particular robot, it looks like the brown tubing left over from a paper towel roll. You know when you unwind it and it's like a spiral? Ha, that just gives you an idea right off the bat *thumbs up* Also, I would suggest that you look into using some type of high density foam such as Volara or insulation foam. I've seen some robots like that be made out of that stuff with phenomenal results. So maybe give that a look -- I posted up some links awhile back, here:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://page.freett.com/darkknight/%25EF%25BD%2582%25EF%25BD%258C%25EF%25BD%2584repo. html&ei=8UKoS6HNI4OMtAPV_6iiAQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAcQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://page.freett.com/darkknight/%2525EF%2525BD%252582%2525EF%2525BD%25258C%2525EF% 2525BD%252584repo.html%26hl%3Den

Also wonderflex (a type of styrene material that flexes easily with heat) can also be used for the curved edges/parts. That and foam would be the ideal materials to use if it were me, so please give those two materials a good looking up before starting on your outfit! I hope this helps and please feel free to post if you have any other questions :crylaugh:

Sorry man, forgot to mention it. Worth it IMO but yea didn't post or say anything... :skidude2:

Finding it hard to motivate myself to sit in the garage with my dremel... :(

Ha yeah, I will have to register and look at them now don't I? Hehe :rolleyes: Well we all have those days where we're lazy...like me today *grins*

I wonder if I can scrummage up a few more links for you guys..

-Jarred

orangeHAL
04-13-2010, 05:24 PM
I'm also going to try to build a mobile suit. Right now I'm working on my first cosplay, which will be Char Aznable, for a nearby convention. After this convention I'll get to work on my mobile suit. I'm thinking that I'm going try for Hyaku Shiki, or maybe Dijeh.

I do have a few questions, though. What are some good materials for making something that is very rounded? I'd love to try something like a Gouf or Qubeley, but both are really round and seem like they would be pretty difficult. I was also wondering what one would do for something like Zeong. Would one just leave one's legs at the bottom, or would one make it large enough that it covers his or her legs and leave enough room in the bottom to move around?

striker0
04-14-2010, 10:26 PM
I too have questions, or more specifically, one question. I'm actually starting to add the overall shape to my gundam cosplay, which is the Exia Gundam from Gundam 00. But, unlike what other cosplayers have done, I wish to do the Trans-Am version. How should I go about getting the paints for the exact scheme? And I guess this would qualify as another question, but should I use the references from the anime, or the model kit Why I ask this is because with the model kit, most of the stickers are quite sparkly, and I prefer those more than what happens in the anime.

zenithvsp
04-14-2010, 10:57 PM
I'm also going to try to build a mobile suit. Right now I'm working on my first cosplay, which will be Char Aznable, for a nearby convention. After this convention I'll get to work on my mobile suit. I'm thinking that I'm going try for Hyaku Shiki, or maybe Dijeh.

I do have a few questions, though. What are some good materials for making something that is very rounded? I'd love to try something like a Gouf or Qubeley, but both are really round and seem like they would be pretty difficult. I was also wondering what one would do for something like Zeong. Would one just leave one's legs at the bottom, or would one make it large enough that it covers his or her legs and leave enough room in the bottom to move around?

That's great to hear! Also great choices for mobile suit as well if I don't say so myself *thumbs up* I would love to see Hyaku Shiki, that'd be swell -- a good material that will have the ability to manipulate rounded objects huh? That'd be any thing if you use your imagination! Ha, but in all seriousness. A good material to look into would be wonderflex. I've seen some good results with that type of material. If that's out of your budget and or abilities. Then no wrongs with looking into using high density foam and or insulation foam. Many of which all come down to foams that are closely associated with Volara. Here's an example: http://gaogaygar.fc2web.com/EnglishMake01.htm

As far as difficulty goes. Any mobile suit is and or would be difficult to make. However, from all of what your suggested. I think Hyaku Shiki would be the simplest. That and the Gouf (Gouf, Gouf Custom). Going into Zeong. That particular mobile suit you can simply make the armor to be about knee level or how ever it's supposed to be and simply crouch/duck to give the impression that it doesn't have legs. That and you could go look into the "Perfect Zeong", all it is a Zeong with legs. That's it :rolleyes: I'm sure that whatever you do, you will have enough space to move around. It's a pretty big skirt if you ask me! Ha, I would do some more searching and settling on with a mobile suit that fits you and would fit into your budget as well as abilities. Let me know if you have any other questions


I too have questions, or more specifically, one question. I'm actually starting to add the overall shape to my gundam cosplay, which is the Exia Gundam from Gundam 00. But, unlike what other cosplayers have done, I wish to do the Trans-Am version. How should I go about getting the paints for the exact scheme? And I guess this would qualify as another question, but should I use the references from the anime, or the model kit Why I ask this is because with the model kit, most of the stickers are quite sparkly, and I prefer those more than what happens in the anime.

Sure thing -- hmmm, is that the pink/light red version? As far as the paint(s) go, there's always the ability and or option to "improvise". However, since you've asked then I take it you'd want the closest possible match to the color scheme as depicted on that particular mobile suit. My answer is...combine some paints together. Acrylics seem to be better with doing this in a more uniform manner. Well from what I was able to do and experience. Tamiya is my number one choice for paints. So that'd be my first recommendation to you. That and Gunze Sangyo and Gundam paints. Are you planning to do a gloss metallic coat, a dust/matte metallic coat, a gloss color or a dust color scheme? Paint can be expensive if bought for the use of model kits and can only be used in such applications if combined with the use of a quality air brush. Which will give you phenomenal results hands down. If that is not an option for you, then there any many upon many spray paint brands available. Even sub-brands of those brands. So basically finding some accurate color matches is high in probability for you. It just depends on what type of paint/brand/application the spray paint is. I honestly will tell you to go with what ever the model kit has and or portrays. What's in the Anime changes and is not accurate, surprisingly. I would highly suggest that you get a model kit and go off of that. I've looked into the Exia Trans AM manual and I haven't been able to locate the "usual" color guide that Bandai has...quite odd. Anyway, here's what I'm looking at:

http://www.dalong.net/review/00/0h31/0h31_i.htm
http://www.dalong.net/review/00/0h31/0h31_i.htm

Let me know if you have any other questions and or if I need to explain anything clearer from what's above :sleep:

-Jarred

striker0
04-14-2010, 11:12 PM
@zenithvsp:
I do have the model kit of this guy, actually going through the process of doing what minor paint he might need to make it more accurate. Me myself, I do not have the means to do a airbrush effect, and I know noone that has the equipment either. What I was thinking about doing was to buy paints that would be used in arts and crafts, just of the acrylic variety, and take your advice and mix to get the best color. And I was going to apply it in single, even coats until it looks good. But for some of the elements that sparkle, I'm hoping to find like a jar of metallic flakes to add to the paint, and apply like a single or double coat, then finishing it off with a coat of clear coat to make it all stick. So in a sense, I'm going for a gloss finish with metallic parts are key areas of the cosplay.

Would this be advisable?

stratum75
04-14-2010, 11:57 PM
Zenithvsp:
About that material called urethane foam, do you know of any good places to buy it online or otherwise? It looks like great stuff for parts of my cosplay.

zenithvsp
04-15-2010, 12:21 AM
@zenithvsp:
I do have the model kit of this guy, actually going through the process of doing what minor paint he might need to make it more accurate. Me myself, I do not have the means to do a airbrush effect, and I know noone that has the equipment either. What I was thinking about doing was to buy paints that would be used in arts and crafts, just of the acrylic variety, and take your advice and mix to get the best color. And I was going to apply it in single, even coats until it looks good. But for some of the elements that sparkle, I'm hoping to find like a jar of metallic flakes to add to the paint, and apply like a single or double coat, then finishing it off with a coat of clear coat to make it all stick. So in a sense, I'm going for a gloss finish with metallic parts are key areas of the cosplay.

Would this be advisable?

Oh okay, it's good to think about what your available options are *thumbs up* Well first off, you have to make sure that the surface you're applying the paint to will actually adhere. Namely foam and plastics are my main two concerns. Basically what you've typed is on the right track. You did forget to mention something about Primer? Hehe, that's probably your number one coating surfacer that will keep the paint on the surface of the material. I would first figure out what material you'll be using and then look for paint. However, no wrongs in wanting to know ahead of time right? Expand your horizons I always say. Any how, I would save the trouble and get a paint with metallic specks in it already. Being as that if you mix a "third party" metallic shimmer into a paint, it might not mix well and or clump together, etc, etc...That being said, it's most certainly possible to go that route if you want to. That just my recommendation. When painting, make sure to not overcoat. Doing so just leaves an awful finish that's hard to explain but it's easy to tell, well at least for me it is *grins* This applies to both brush on and spray paints. Acrylic you might be able to get away since it's more of a looser paint than that of Enamel (I hate the stuff personally). Just make sure when clear coating to get the best one that suits your material as well as your personal liking in finish, complexity as well as depth. There are just way too many clear coats to name and choose from. You can most certainly paint the entire suit two different finishes just make sure to coat them the same as one another with the final process, being the clear coat. Two drawbacks that I've experienced just recently are worth mentioning. Brush on paints tend to leave that brushed on layered look (go figure) and spray paints leave that unfinished orange peel. No matter if you paint the area that's light or skip an area that's already dark. The attempt(s) are still there *sigh* Those two points being mentioned, if going with spray paints. It's advisable to sand in-between coats of primer, paint and clear coat. With brush on paints, I've seen that "cross-hatching" does eliminate some minor finishing errors. So that would be in the bag of tricks for ya

I hope that made sense, let me know if it didn't! :crylaugh:

Zenithvsp:
About that material called urethane foam, do you know of any good places to buy it online or otherwise? It looks like great stuff for parts of my cosplay.

Urethane foam is closely related to Volara from what I've read. Which can be found here:

http://www.foambymail.com/Volara.html
http://www.jmsplastics.com/thermoplastic/volara.php

And there's this other "magical" foam called, High Density Foam:
http://site.iwebcenters.com/afoammart_2/polyurethanefoamcat.html

I hope this helps and let me know if you need anything else :rolleyes:

-Jarred

striker0
04-15-2010, 11:29 AM
@zenithvsp:
In a way, it does make sense. The material I'm using is actually cardboard and paper mache. Cardboard to give the simple shapes and layout of the gundam, whereas I'm experimenting with a skeleton system for the curves and what not, and adding between 2 and 3 layers of paper mache. The paper mache is being used instead of posterboard because I find it easier to work with, not to mention cost effective, and will give me more control on covering large and small areas alike. But I do have one final concern, and I'm trying to figure this one out. I'm sure you're aware of that the torso, elbows, and knees have a clear piece, namely for decorative purposes on the model. I'm trying to figure out how I should replicate that. That would probably be one of the more pricey add-on's onto the cosplay, aside from making the eyes light up. Any suggestions?

zenithvsp
04-15-2010, 11:26 PM
@zenithvsp:
In a way, it does make sense. The material I'm using is actually cardboard and paper mache. Cardboard to give the simple shapes and layout of the gundam, whereas I'm experimenting with a skeleton system for the curves and what not, and adding between 2 and 3 layers of paper mache. The paper mache is being used instead of posterboard because I find it easier to work with, not to mention cost effective, and will give me more control on covering large and small areas alike. But I do have one final concern, and I'm trying to figure this one out. I'm sure you're aware of that the torso, elbows, and knees have a clear piece, namely for decorative purposes on the model. I'm trying to figure out how I should replicate that. That would probably be one of the more pricey add-on's onto the cosplay, aside from making the eyes light up. Any suggestions?

Oh okay, I could of worded it better I know :o As far as cardboard goes. You're going to have a heck of a time playing with that stuff, that's for sure -- that being said, I don't quite think that paper mache will give that "look" for a Gundam. However, I haven't really seen a paper mache Gundam before, so I can be wrong! It's just after working with cardboard for the past few months, I have become weary of the material and makes you seek another alternative. If not many more. I just advise you not to use fiberglass with cardboard if the attempt is going to be an entire suit of armor. The weight and time undertaken in that particular process is just unbelievable. I would highly suggest that you utilize that "skeleton" method instead of building huge areas of cardboard and then covering it. I would also suggest that you use another material besides cardboard, being as that it's just an awful mess when it gets wet; especially with glue. Of course if you already have experienced this and are okay with it, then by all means :thumbsup: As far as regarding the "clear piece" as you mentioned above, I couldn't seem to locate it on the model kit. Could you please link me a specific picture? The eyes lighting up is a fairly easy process in terms of getting LED lights, a wire harness setup and a battery that's compatible. The tricky part is actually getting it to fit inside that small head. That's of course assuming the head is super duper small as we all intend to make it? Ha -- anyway, let me know about that picture and I will do my best to help

-Jarred

striker0
04-16-2010, 12:22 AM
Well, after given much thought to what you have said, and seriously reconsidering if I wanna do this mobile suit, I've decided to drop the Trans-Am Exia, in place of something more old school. I've decided to do the mobile suit that started it all, the RX-78-2 Gundam. But more specifically, the Ver. Ka, which translates to the Hajime Katoki Version. I found a couple pictures to show you:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o94/ExDREAM0/RX-78-2VerKa.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o94/ExDREAM0/rx-78-2-verka.jpg
It'll be easier to tackle for one, and I felt it would be more appropriate to celebrate the 30th anniversary of Gundam with the guy that started it all.

zenithvsp
04-16-2010, 01:09 AM
Well, after given much thought to what you have said, and seriously reconsidering if I wanna do this mobile suit, I've decided to drop the Trans-Am Exia, in place of something more old school. I've decided to do the mobile suit that started it all, the RX-78-2 Gundam. But more specifically, the Ver. Ka, which translates to the Hajime Katoki Version. I found a couple pictures to show you:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o94/ExDREAM0/RX-78-2VerKa.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o94/ExDREAM0/rx-78-2-verka.jpg
It'll be easier to tackle for one, and I felt it would be more appropriate to celebrate the 30th anniversary of Gundam with the guy that started it all.

Oh okay, well I didn't mean anything by what I said. At least I hope, indirectly. Well I guess RX-78 is always a good option to go with for simplicity as well as originality. No wrongs in that *thumbs up* And that's a good choice by the way, I've always like the Ver. KA edition of the RX-78. Just looks way better than any other version in my opinion. I'm sure you will be able to find some pepakura/paper-craft instructions online and play with those a bit before you end up making some final renders for this particular version, being the KA. Did you have any questions pertaining to your new project?

-Jarred

striker0
04-16-2010, 11:36 AM
@zenithvsp:
Nah, nothing you said really made me reconsider because of the skill that I have. And nah, I don't have any questions right now, just thought I would let you know what I was going to go with.

stratum75
04-17-2010, 04:53 PM
If you use foam like volara or polythylene, you'd usually want to apply a surface material. But i'm not sure whether to use vynil or a plastic like styrene. Any ideas?

Kayukiftw
04-17-2010, 10:43 PM
Hey everyone, I'm new to this kind of cosplay so I have a few questions. I just started to attempt making a Heavy arms custom today, after afew aggravating hours of messing with cardboard, I realized that there must be a better way. I've read through the older post and I'm not really positive what the best material is to use, or really what and where to start on my model. What would you guys say would be the best first step/material?

-THanks in advance! :D

stratum75
04-18-2010, 02:43 AM
Hey everyone, I'm new to this kind of cosplay so I have a few questions. I just started to attempt making a Heavy arms custom today, after afew aggravating hours of messing with cardboard, I realized that there must be a better way. I've read through the older post and I'm not really positive what the best material is to use, or really what and where to start on my model. What would you guys say would be the best first step/material?

-THanks in advance! :D

Yo, it really all depends on you, but one way is you could draw out the the dimensions on posterboard and then cut them out as a basic frame since that material folds easily and is overall pretty mallable. Anyone else have any ideas or anything to contribute?

Kayukiftw
04-18-2010, 12:05 PM
is there any certain program to use to get the perfect dimensions or would it be straight up hand to ruler>? then when i finish with the dimensions how would i harden it?

zenithvsp
04-18-2010, 04:32 PM
@zenithvsp:
Nah, nothing you said really made me reconsider because of the skill that I have. And nah, I don't have any questions right now, just thought I would let you know what I was going to go with.

Oh okay, I gotcha -- well we all change our minds. No harm in that! I wish you good luck and keep us updated on your progress!

If you use foam like volara or polythylene, you'd usually want to apply a surface material. But i'm not sure whether to use vynil or a plastic like styrene. Any ideas?

Yes, a surface material usually consists of a gel type coating that hardens; a fabric (leather, pleather, etc...), or thin plastic/styrene of .010 usually varying with even thinner or thicker. Depends on what type of structural properties you're attempting to portray and what have you :)

Hey everyone, I'm new to this kind of cosplay so I have a few questions. I just started to attempt making a Heavy arms custom today, after afew aggravating hours of messing with cardboard, I realized that there must be a better way. I've read through the older post and I'm not really positive what the best material is to use, or really what and where to start on my model. What would you guys say would be the best first step/material?

-THanks in advance! :D

Hello to you too and welcome!

Yes there is a better way. Cardboard is just a medium that's undeniably and readily available. However, it is among the most difficult (from what I have experienced) to properly handle and finish. It does have very commendable structural abilities at that. I would highly suggest that you look into using some sort of foam as stated in the thread such as Volara or insulation foam and coating it with some sort of hardening agent and or other finish material such as a fabric or plastic as stated above. I would also suggest that you start on the head first and foremost. Being as that the basis of the suit will be based on the size of the head. Ex. if the head is big chances are you might make the body parts bigger to compensate or perhaps leave the body as is to comply with your bodily appearance leaving the head as it is. So making the head first is and always will be the best way to go. That being said, you'll want to try your best to make the head as small as humanely possible. I will draw up a diagram of what I am picturing right now :rolleyes:

Yo, it really all depends on you, but one way is you could draw out the the dimensions on posterboard and then cut them out as a basic frame since that material folds easily and is overall pretty mallable. Anyone else have any ideas or anything to contribute?

As stratum said above -- making a few renders out of poster board or perhaps cardboard would be ideal to draw in from any mistakes and or modifications towards your final. So if you make a render/draft of the head, as best as you can. You can see where you can make some adjustments to achieve a smaller diameter and firm/snug fitting over your head. If that makes sense. As said above, I will make an illustration of how the head should be made *thumbs up*

is there any certain program to use to get the perfect dimensions or would it be straight up hand to ruler>? then when i finish with the dimensions how would i harden it?

There are programs that allow you to do that such as pepakura and Auto-CAD. Maybe even as simple as Adobe CS3 Illustrator, which is what I use. Usually if I have the time I'd measure my body and then compare it to whatever the suit (Gundam) is and then bring them onto a piece of regular cardstock and or posterboard -- draw out a flat drawing. Cut them out and then see where there needs to be adjustments and what have you. Usually takes a few tries to get the parts looking right and utilize some attachment panels n' whatnot. But after a few tries, you'll develop a skill that will further enhance and aid you in the rendering process. As far as hardening it, I'm not quite sure I understand? Please re-iterate for me, thanks!

I hope this helps and feel free to post anything else,

-Jarred

stratum75
04-18-2010, 09:18 PM
I think i'm gonna go with styrene for its sleek and shining qualities after you add the spray paint layer on top. It also runs for a pretty cheap price on the right websites. As for adhesives, will a hot glue gun still be OK for holding the styrene sheets to the foam?

zenithvsp
04-18-2010, 10:25 PM
I think i'm gonna go with styrene for its sleek and shining qualities after you add the spray paint layer on top. It also runs for a pretty cheap price on the right websites. As for adhesives, will a hot glue gun still be OK for holding the styrene sheets to the foam?

Oh okay, I must stress, however. That with using styrene, you cannot apply it on extremely curved/rounded edges. Only on very geometrical and somewhat flat applications. Perhaps semi-rounded as well. If you have parts that are extremely round and things of that nature, look into "wonderflex"; it's just how it sounds. Works, looks and, for the most part, feels like styrene. While it is, it has better options in terms of versatility. As far as putting it on the foam. Hot glue will work, but since hot glue is...hot. It will ever so slightly melt the plastic and or deform it some how some way. So please bear that in mind if you don't have any surface fillers/finishers. I'm trying to think of what will bond the plastic to the foam without melting the foam (chemical properties wise). So far I'm drawing up blanks...I'm sure there is some sort of glue or adhesive that will do the job. I do apologize, but it's stretching out my knowledge of plastics to foam. I will try and see what I can come up with! :crylaugh:

-Jarred

stratum75
04-18-2010, 11:11 PM
Thanx again and the bit about the wonderflex is helpful especially. I was planning on getting some sooner or later but its pricy so i'm trying to avoid using it in bulk as much as possible. The way my mech's turning out, it'll be incorporating cardboard, styrene, wonderflex, posterboard, urethane foam, El Lights, computer fans, and a buttload of batteries and soddering. This is by far the funnest cosplay I have ever done. Oh and I'm gonna need to recruit two assistants from my college friends to help me get into the suit too.:sulk:

zenithvsp
04-22-2010, 01:35 PM
Do you have any pictures of your suit? :)

-Jarred

striker0
04-22-2010, 04:11 PM
So I just learned something important with the headpiece of my cosplay.

Don't use paper mache. The frame was a perfect fit, but once I started applying the paper mache, the headpiece got smaller. To the point where I could not get the headpiece on past my nose, where I originally left enough room for that to slide through (I have a big nose).

So folks, don't use paper mache for your headpiece.

stratum75
04-22-2010, 08:31 PM
Do you have any pictures of your suit? :)

-Jarred

Not currently, but i should be able to put some picks up in a few days. I'm still working out the poster board model but i'm getting there slowly but surely.Trying to work in cosplay development between college and a job is a hassle so i've been slacking a bit.

zenithvsp
05-02-2010, 01:34 PM
So I just learned something important with the headpiece of my cosplay.

Don't use paper mache. The frame was a perfect fit, but once I started applying the paper mache, the headpiece got smaller. To the point where I could not get the headpiece on past my nose, where I originally left enough room for that to slide through (I have a big nose).

So folks, don't use paper mache for your headpiece.

Oh that's probably the wrong direction in making a head piece. I too learned that the hard way. You can probably pull it off if you had a very accurate/precise base underneath it other than your own head. Actually come to think of it, I remember some folks way back when I was in high school had literally paper mache'd over their own head/face. I'm sure if you somehow used that method you could probably get an extremely snug fit with a small sized helmet. Who knows! We learn from doing renders striker, keep it up and in no time, you will know what materials to use and which ones to steer away from *thumbs up*

Not currently, but i should be able to put some picks up in a few days. I'm still working out the poster board model but i'm getting there slowly but surely.Trying to work in cosplay development between college and a job is a hassle so i've been slacking a bit.

Oh alrighty, completely understandable -- just anxious to see what you have is all :crylaugh: I wish you and striker good luck on your projects and I hope that they won't put too much stress on ya

-Jarred

Aradiadiane
06-06-2010, 10:10 PM
I know it's not a Gundam, but I'm hoping you can give me some good info anyway. Y'all seem like a pretty willing group from what I've read. I've been longing to build an Alseides unit from Escaflowne, and I think I finally have the skill, money and free time to do so.

http://digilander.libero.it/Animanga2000Esca/immagini/alseides.gif

My biggest questions stem from the fact that the Alseides is so much curvier than most of the Gundams- it doesn't have all of those boxy shapes that Gundams seem to have. While I do have the money to sink a couple of hundred dollars into making this monster, I'd still like to keep it as low-cost as possible without sacrificing structural integrity.

Ideally, the suit would be about 8 feet tall (I'm 5'5). I'll be building stilts to accommodate those long lower legs. I think my actual thighs will line up pretty well with the length of the thigh on the mecha, at least that's what I'm hoping to use for the main proportional measurement. I haven't done the math yet, but I'm guessing that my feet will probably hit just below where the white on the lower leg stops.

I greatly welcome any help or advice you can offer.

Aradiadiane
06-06-2010, 10:13 PM
Oh, right. My coworker who does a lot of sculpture recommended that I use wire screening and cover it with many layers of latex paint. I can curve it to my heart's content, and still have a solid surface to work on top of. Thoughts?

zenithvsp
06-07-2010, 04:44 PM
I know it's not a Gundam, but I'm hoping you can give me some good info anyway. Y'all seem like a pretty willing group from what I've read. I've been longing to build an Alseides unit from Escaflowne, and I think I finally have the skill, money and free time to do so.

http://digilander.libero.it/Animanga2000Esca/immagini/alseides.gif

My biggest questions stem from the fact that the Alseides is so much curvier than most of the Gundams- it doesn't have all of those boxy shapes that Gundams seem to have. While I do have the money to sink a couple of hundred dollars into making this monster, I'd still like to keep it as low-cost as possible without sacrificing structural integrity.

Ideally, the suit would be about 8 feet tall (I'm 5'5). I'll be building stilts to accommodate those long lower legs. I think my actual thighs will line up pretty well with the length of the thigh on the mecha, at least that's what I'm hoping to use for the main proportional measurement. I haven't done the math yet, but I'm guessing that my feet will probably hit just below where the white on the lower leg stops.

I greatly welcome any help or advice you can offer.

Welcome to this thread my fellow mecha creator -- though it is not Gundam related, I absolutely do not mind helping you! :crylaugh: Anyone can chime in if they'd like; with that being said, any outside help would be greatly appreciated as well! This is a community thing we have going on here, hehe -- I should really change the title to mecha discussion instead don't you think? *grins*

That is an interesting looking suit you plan to make there. It does have significant curvature and extremely circular parts; however, that won't stop us now would it? Some materials that come into mind are wonderflex and foam (craft, volara/high density). Veer away from fiberglass and anything of that sorts my friend, totally not worth the money and your health if you ask me. Okay, so before I tag in anything else. I would like you to have a look at these links for some inspiration and information, the I&I's if you will :rolleyes:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.ops.dti.ne.jp/~darkk/&ei=TGUNTKWBKaL4MsKS8LUE&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBoQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.ops.dti.ne.jp/~darkk/%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://page.freett.com/darkknight/%25EF%25BD%2582%25EF%25BD%258C%25EF%25BD%2584repo. html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.ops.dti.ne.jp/~darkk/%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhimd746oljyTihRtuawjGaAKqd6bQ

If you were to get an action figure and or model kit (preferred), then that would be a tremendous upper hand in your endeavor. If you don't have the capacity, then improvising with some images and or movie clips would provide some help for you -- on to your next response!

Oh, right. My coworker who does a lot of sculpture recommended that I use wire screening and cover it with many layers of latex paint. I can curve it to my heart's content, and still have a solid surface to work on top of. Thoughts?

Hmmmm, I personally have never heard of that being done. I'm assuming that the wire screening is both pliable (flexible) and still maintains a smooth texture sort of like screening on let's say a window? That's the best comparison I can think of at the moment, hopefully that's what you meant. You would then cover it with a paint that's flexible, providing some structure yet preserving the flexibility? The only problem that I can see is how would you harden it and retain the desired shape during the hardening process *scratches head* I'm quite intrigued :crylaugh: Also, as far as regarding your budget; that goes with all of us. We'll discuss some material suggestions n' whatnot and then it will then be your job to research each material in it's entirety, i.e., purpose, properties, retail, location as well as rating

-Jarred

stratum75
06-09-2010, 10:40 PM
I know it's not a Gundam, but I'm hoping you can give me some good info anyway. Y'all seem like a pretty willing group from what I've read. I've been longing to build an Alseides unit from Escaflowne, and I think I finally have the skill, money and free time to do so.

http://digilander.libero.it/Animanga2000Esca/immagini/alseides.gif

My biggest questions stem from the fact that the Alseides is so much curvier than most of the Gundams- it doesn't have all of those boxy shapes that Gundams seem to have. While I do have the money to sink a couple of hundred dollars into making this monster, I'd still like to keep it as low-cost as possible without sacrificing structural integrity.

Ideally, the suit would be about 8 feet tall (I'm 5'5). I'll be building stilts to accommodate those long lower legs. I think my actual thighs will line up pretty well with the length of the thigh on the mecha, at least that's what I'm hoping to use for the main proportional measurement. I haven't done the math yet, but I'm guessing that my feet will probably hit just below where the white on the lower leg stops.

I greatly welcome any help or advice you can offer.

For getting the curviness, I think chicken wire MIGHT work, but it'll be kinda rough if you don't find a good material to put over it. Just a thought, personally, I try to stay away from chicken wire cause of said reasons and it can be a little annoying to deal with. That's probably cause I'm a perfectionist though. Any way good luck. You're definitely going to need it (and so will I.... sigh)

Aradiadiane
06-11-2010, 07:07 PM
Thanks for the links, Z. I'll try to make it through Google Translate as best I can.

I was thinking about using window screening, NOT chicken wire. Chicken wire is only suitable if you're doing paper mache sculpture for the school play, and I think (HOPE!) I'm beyond that.

The large globes on the shoulders would probably be outer materials layered over those huge bouncy balls you can buy at many toy stores for about $5-8 each. I may paper mache/something over them in case they deflate, but I know mine was pretty sturdy when I was little.

The only model available is one of those three inch snap-together things, and I don't really know how helpful that would be. Has anyone used this size before and found it to be a good enough reference?

striker0
06-18-2010, 10:14 AM
Well, after a fair bit of work, and swearing that after this headpiece, I'm no longer going to use cardboard and poster board, I finished a Gundam MkII headpiece for a cosplay formal I'm going to. In case some of you are wondering, Gundam MkII is from Zeta Gundam. I will post pictures as soon as I can.

Jack Rakan
06-22-2010, 07:00 PM
Hi this is actually my first attempt at making a gundam costume. I have heard about the papercrafting files but everytime a serach for them it gives me model designs instead of armor designs does anyone have any sites they can give me to find some. (preferably Gundam 0079, Hyaku Shiki, or Zaku II)

zenithvsp
06-28-2010, 05:13 PM
Thanks for the links, Z. I'll try to make it through Google Translate as best I can.

I was thinking about using window screening, NOT chicken wire. Chicken wire is only suitable if you're doing paper mache sculpture for the school play, and I think (HOPE!) I'm beyond that.

The large globes on the shoulders would probably be outer materials layered over those huge bouncy balls you can buy at many toy stores for about $5-8 each. I may paper mache/something over them in case they deflate, but I know mine was pretty sturdy when I was little.

The only model available is one of those three inch snap-together things, and I don't really know how helpful that would be. Has anyone used this size before and found it to be a good enough reference?

You're welcome Aradia -- If I know better, with window screening, you will have some troubles with getting the material to successfully wrap around something round and maintain a smooth surface. As this screening is not as pliable in terms of "warping" or "wrapping" to any desired shape(s), specifically rounded shapes. Being as that it was made for being applied on flat surfaces; namely windows? Also, I am afraid that the paper mache wouldn't adhere to that type of material? Seems like a good testing is in order! May want to look into cheese cloth or something of that sorts? If you were intending to use a sub-base to make a rough rounded shape as the shoulders, use something cheap and relatively easy to use. Perhaps use a balloon, blow it up to size, paper mache over it and then pop the balloon? Also, basically any reference will be good. If you have a steady supply of pictures, then that three inch figure will be just enough to get you by, improvise if you will. If it proves to be difficult for you, then upgrading to a ten+ inch figure would be in order *thumbs up*

Well, after a fair bit of work, and swearing that after this headpiece, I'm no longer going to use cardboard and poster board, I finished a Gundam MkII headpiece for a cosplay formal I'm going to. In case some of you are wondering, Gundam MkII is from Zeta Gundam. I will post pictures as soon as I can.

Ha, we've all been there with cardboard and poster board my friend *grins* I must say however, that poster board can work wonders if applied correctly as well as thoroughly and meticulously designed, you will come up with something phenomenal -- oh that sounds great! I've always had my eye on the MKII; he's one of the better looking Gundam RX-78 "copies", if you will. Looking forward to the pictures you have! *thumbs up*

Hi this is actually my first attempt at making a gundam costume. I have heard about the papercrafting files but everytime a serach for them it gives me model designs instead of armor designs does anyone have any sites they can give me to find some. (preferably Gundam 0079, Hyaku Shiki, or Zaku II)

Hello and welcome! Papercraft is actually a paper model kit, not specifically the armor to print and fit on yourself. There are two terms for this type of craft. One being "papercraft"; meaning simple templates for building a scale model of a suit and the other being "pepakura"; which you can actually use 3D viewing to look at, choose how to print, choose how big, and so on -- You will have to use the programs; Tamasoft Pepakura Viewer and or Pepakura Editor to view the files for pepakura. For papercraft, it's simple PDF or JPEG/JPG. With that being said,

RX-78 Gundam:
http://www.mypapermodel.com/rx-78-2-paper-model.html

Hyaku Shiki:
http://yobee.tistory.com/145
http://papercraftonly.blogspot.com/2009/06/gundam-papercraft-msn.html

There was more, but I cannot seem to find them. As far as the Zaku goes, I have had that file once but that was before I reformatted my computer. That was indeed a rare find. At any rate let me know what else you need. I do apologize for the late reply guys,

-Jarred

striker0
07-06-2010, 09:17 AM
Well, here's the one picture of my Gundam MkII Headpiece. This was taken at a cosplay formal, which was not bad, but it was a little boring.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o94/ExDREAM0/hobbies/l_8f2e0f090dc547d1868fbb9cec4ced97.jpg

Jack Rakan
07-07-2010, 02:59 PM
Thank you for the help sorry but calling gundam rx-78 gundam 0079 is a habit from when i was younger, but i can't remember why. The reason i said papercraft was because looking around on youtube they mentioned it with building halo armor so i thought there had to be at least one fan that did it for gundam. I can't wait to get started.

zenithvsp
07-09-2010, 04:42 PM
Well, here's the one picture of my Gundam MkII Headpiece. This was taken at a cosplay formal, which was not bad, but it was a little boring.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o94/ExDREAM0/hobbies/l_8f2e0f090dc547d1868fbb9cec4ced97.jpg

Practice makes perfect -- test the waters with various materials and you will find the most versatile one that suits you. Foam seems to work best from what I've come to find out. It's just finding the right ones that is the issue :crylaugh: Plastics is also a good alternative; namely styrene or wonderflex. What's your next feat striker?

Thank you for the help sorry but calling gundam rx-78 gundam 0079 is a habit from when i was younger, but i can't remember why. The reason i said papercraft was because looking around on youtube they mentioned it with building halo armor so i thought there had to be at least one fan that did it for gundam. I can't wait to get started.

You're welcome -- well I'm sure we all had our own "slang" for Gundam. Ha, I too have heard of using Gundam papercraft/pepakura awhile back as well as reading it on the 405th.com forum. Though I cannot seem to find it, I'm sure it's there. It was a good thread for information pertaining to this subject. I will, however, try to find it again and post it up for you all *thumbs up* Try to keep us updated on your project Jack!

-Jarred

striker0
07-09-2010, 05:35 PM
@zenithvsp: Well, I'm currently in the process of making the gundam mkII torso, which is coming along decently. After that, I'm gonna be making forearm pieces, as well as lower calf pieces, as well as hopefully have the feet done for National Cosplay Day on the 25 of July. I'll have a full Gundam MkII for the winter convention, which will also include a shield, and probably a poorly made beam rifle, since people are still really iffy about firearm props.

orangeHAL
07-16-2010, 12:44 PM
I recently decided that a Hyaku Shiki cosplay probably isn't going to happen for me any time soon, but I was looking at the Qubeley (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/z/amx-004.jpg) and it actually looks relatively simple.

It looks like I can make part of the torso out of cardboard, then I will wear something that is the right color for the lower visible part, and with sleeves that are the right color for the visible part of the arms. I can probably build the claws onto a pair of gloves and make the feet out of wood with a pair of shoes attached. I'm thinking I'll try to get the legs to go on like a pair of pants, but I haven't decided if I'll attach the part from the waist to the legs to the legs, or wear it more like a skirt. I'm also thinking I can have those huge things on the shoulders attached to each other and wear them sort of like football armor, I'll probably also have to figure out some sort of column, or something, to keep the shoulders from falling. I'll probably have that pod thing on the back either attached to the upper body or hanging from my shoulders.

The biggest problem I have is that I don't know what to make the many curved parts of the Qubeley out of. I don't plan to be working with a huge budget, so I'd prefer something that is pretty cheap.

The other big problem I have is with the head. I'm not sure how to do the eye, I was thinking I could use something like a tinted visor over my eyes for the openings that the eye moves around in within the head, but I don't know what materials would be best for this visor. For the eye itself, the easiest thing would be to have just a spot on top of the visor. But, I would really like to figure out a light underneath the visor that would shine through and I could move it like the Qubeley's eye.

It isn't as important, but I was also looking for input on which of the Qubeley and Qubeley Mk II's color schemes to use. I was leaning towards the red and yellow right now, but I like the other color schemes as well, especially the black and pink.

zenithvsp
07-16-2010, 03:10 PM
I recently decided that a Hyaku Shiki cosplay probably isn't going to happen for me any time soon, but I was looking at the Qubeley (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/z/amx-004.jpg) and it actually looks relatively simple.

It looks like I can make part of the torso out of cardboard, then I will wear something that is the right color for the lower visible part, and with sleeves that are the right color for the visible part of the arms. I can probably build the claws onto a pair of gloves and make the feet out of wood with a pair of shoes attached. I'm thinking I'll try to get the legs to go on like a pair of pants, but I haven't decided if I'll attach the part from the waist to the legs to the legs, or wear it more like a skirt. I'm also thinking I can have those huge things on the shoulders attached to each other and wear them sort of like football armor, I'll probably also have to figure out some sort of column, or something, to keep the shoulders from falling. I'll probably have that pod thing on the back either attached to the upper body or hanging from my shoulders.

The biggest problem I have is that I don't know what to make the many curved parts of the Qubeley out of. I don't plan to be working with a huge budget, so I'd prefer something that is pretty cheap.

The other big problem I have is with the head. I'm not sure how to do the eye, I was thinking I could use something like a tinted visor over my eyes for the openings that the eye moves around in within the head, but I don't know what materials would be best for this visor. For the eye itself, the easiest thing would be to have just a spot on top of the visor. But, I would really like to figure out a light underneath the visor that would shine through and I could move it like the Qubeley's eye.

It isn't as important, but I was also looking for input on which of the Qubeley and Qubeley Mk II's color schemes to use. I was leaning towards the red and yellow right now, but I like the other color schemes as well, especially the black and pink.

I will compile a few things for you later on today or perhaps tomorrow -- I will edit this post or post a new one if and when I do, so please check back :crylaugh:

-Jarred

orangeHAL
07-18-2010, 08:00 PM
I was looking up insulation foam and it doesn't look like it would be too expensive and could at least be used to make most of the lower body and hopefully the forearms. It looks like there are a few parts that would be pretty easy to use cardboard for.

Also, the more I look about the head the eye becomes less of a problem. I'm sure I'll have it figured that part out by the time I start building the head.

The question I have now is will something like insulation foam stand up like I would need it to for the head, shoulders, knees, and back pod thing?

I think I'll go ahead and get started on a paper model soon, even though I'm not sure what materials I'll use. I might as well go ahead and be getting the proportions and everything figured out.

Edit: I just discovered that I can get a 3D model of Qubeley in Gundam vs Zeta Gundam, which is very helpful. So I found out that it doesn't actually have a mono-eye and how that pod thing on its back that holds the funnels is set up. This will be very useful in figuring out how things fit together. It will also be nice if I ever decide to come back to the Hyaku Shiki.

zenithvsp
07-18-2010, 11:33 PM
I was looking up insulation foam and it doesn't look like it would be too expensive and could at least be used to make most of the lower body and hopefully the forearms. It looks like there are a few parts that would be pretty easy to use cardboard for.

Also, the more I look about the head the eye becomes less of a problem. I'm sure I'll have it figured that part out by the time I start building the head.

The question I have now is will something like insulation foam stand up like I would need it to for the head, shoulders, knees, and back pod thing?

I think I'll go ahead and get started on a paper model soon, even though I'm not sure what materials I'll use. I might as well go ahead and be getting the proportions and everything figured out.

Edit: I just discovered that I can get a 3D model of Qubeley in Gundam vs Zeta Gundam, which is very helpful. So I found out that it doesn't actually have a mono-eye and how that pod thing on its back that holds the funnels is set up. This will be very useful in figuring out how things fit together. It will also be nice if I ever decide to come back to the Hyaku Shiki.

Honestly, I think you would have an easier time creating the Hyaku Shiki rather than the Qubeley. Not doubting your skills or anything along those lines. Just solely looking at the Qubeley's shoulders seems like a tremendous feat in itself on top of the actual head. But I guess it's all doable if the right materials are used. I'm not sure how insulation foam works and or feels, but the majority of the foams that are used for Gundam/Mecha making are mostly high density foam; i.e., pliable, lightweight, extremely durable foam. Which these following links depict:

http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=161071
http://gaogaygar.fc2web.com/EnglishMake01.htm
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.ops.dti.ne.jp/~darkk/&ei=TGUNTKWBKaL4MsKS8LUE&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBoQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.ops.dti.ne.jp/~darkk/%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://page.freett.com/darkknight/%25EF%25BD%2582%25EF%25BD%258C%25EF%25BD%2584repo. html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.ops.dti.ne.jp/~darkk/%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhimd746oljyTihRtuawjGaAKqd6bQ

I'd imagine the usage of interlocking hinge/strap systems mounted on using simple glue and or sowing technique. Since the pieces for the Qubeley are so unique and big, plastic is probably out of the question in terms of pliability in addition to budget wise. That goes into wonderflex as well, which is just as expensive, in most cases, much more expensive. I would experiment with foam and see where that takes you. Also, working with paper first allows you to see what results you would most likely get if you were using foam. Since paper and foam both apply in the same way; specifically, the volara high density foam. Of course if that's even a valid comparison, apologies :crylaugh: If it helps, you can get a decently cheap/small model kit of the Qubeley and go from that to have a hands on reference guide. The manual will also be useful as well. I am also still in the works of making you some rough drawings giving you some suggestions on how to go about this endeavor *thumbs up*

Let me know if I missed something and or if you'd like to ask anything else!

Regards,

-Jarred

orangeHAL
07-20-2010, 03:01 PM
Thanks for the help. I'll definitely look into the high-density foam. I'm thinking about maybe trying out a sort of wire frame for parts like the shoulders to help support them. I'll still look at the Hyaku Shiki as an option, but I really think the Qubeley would be easier apart from a few parts. I think I'd have an easier time making a smaller number of big parts and getting them to fit together than I would with a bunch of small parts like I would with the Hyaku Shiki.

It isn't really related to mecha building, but I did notice the other day how similar I look to Judau Ashta, so even if I don't get the suit together for next year I will definitely have a Judau cosplay.

striker0
07-21-2010, 01:02 AM
Well, for the time being, I'm gonna be holding on unveiling the Gundam MkII cosplay until the wintercon, mostly because if I was to wear such a thing on a hot summer day, with no AC, I would probably pass out. But at the same time, it gives me a chance to get everything just right.

Winzeyy♪♫
07-21-2010, 09:35 AM
Hey im new to the gundam cosplay scene.(meaning i wanna try this out)
Im admiring Miragestudio's Gundam Exia. And i was wondering how would i create something similar? Gundam Exia's been my favorite gundam in Gundam 00 next to Kyrios.
Any tips?

I was thinking of doing The Gundam Exia from the first season the one where he has the shield and gun/sword with the two beamswords on his back with the GN Blades.

Model: EXIA (http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs197.snc4/38206_1523459006963_1249246570_1479822_1530847_n.j pg)

orangeHAL
07-25-2010, 09:18 PM
Qubeley is still my main focus, but I'm looking into Pepakura for making costumes right now. I'm mostly looking into ways to reinforce the costume after folding the paper. It wouldn't work well for Qubeley, but it makes something like the Hyaku Shiki a little less intimidating. I also found a bunch of Kamen Rider Pepakura files, so there is a chance I'll end up putting off the Gundam for a bit and cosplaying a rider instead. I already found files for Kiva whose costume I love.

zenithvsp
07-26-2010, 10:21 PM
Thanks for the help. I'll definitely look into the high-density foam. I'm thinking about maybe trying out a sort of wire frame for parts like the shoulders to help support them. I'll still look at the Hyaku Shiki as an option, but I really think the Qubeley would be easier apart from a few parts. I think I'd have an easier time making a smaller number of big parts and getting them to fit together than I would with a bunch of small parts like I would with the Hyaku Shiki.

It isn't really related to mecha building, but I did notice the other day how similar I look to Judau Ashta, so even if I don't get the suit together for next year I will definitely have a Judau cosplay.

I see what you're saying -- well it is up to you on what you'd like to do :rolleyes: Upon making the files on my computer for you, I have found that my program won't save any more. So after spending 3 hours making you a file/picture, I attempted to save the file and guess what...it crashed. Can you believe that? Haha, funny stuff isn't it! I'll see what I can do for the time being *sigh*

Oh yeah that's still sort of related to mecha building because that's the pilot of the suit -- that sounds like a good fall back plan just in case you don't get the suit built by the specified date

Well, for the time being, I'm gonna be holding on unveiling the Gundam MkII cosplay until the wintercon, mostly because if I was to wear such a thing on a hot summer day, with no AC, I would probably pass out. But at the same time, it gives me a chance to get everything just right.

I am on the same boat as you on the heat! It's way too hot to do anything...over board, especially with what I'm doing. Ha :crylaugh:

Hey im new to the gundam cosplay scene.(meaning i wanna try this out)
Im admiring Miragestudio's Gundam Exia. And i was wondering how would i create something similar? Gundam Exia's been my favorite gundam in Gundam 00 next to Kyrios.
Any tips?

I was thinking of doing The Gundam Exia from the first season the one where he has the shield and gun/sword with the two beamswords on his back with the GN Blades.

Model: EXIA (http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs197.snc4/38206_1523459006963_1249246570_1479822_1530847_n.j pg)

Hello there to you too! Miragestudio's Gundam Suits are definitely eye catchers for sure and they make good references as well -- tips would include to do some thorough research on materials and test the waters (experiment with method/technique, material and stores). That, as well as figuring out which exact model and version of a Gundam that you wish to do. I would start with paper board, postercard, posterboard, or cardstock first and see how far you can get. That way you have renders already made in the event you switch to another material such as high density foam (volara) and or plastic(s); including wonderflex. I would look for papercraft/pepakura files of the Gundam suit you wish to do and roughly create some parts as render and see how that part can be remade/revamped into something smaller and perhaps more intricate. Then begin on the semi-final draft. I would steer away from fiberglass at all costs, unless you already have experience with using that material. I hope this gives a little insight -- if you have some specific questions, feel free to post ;)

Qubeley is still my main focus, but I'm looking into Pepakura for making costumes right now. I'm mostly looking into ways to reinforce the costume after folding the paper. It wouldn't work well for Qubeley, but it makes something like the Hyaku Shiki a little less intimidating. I also found a bunch of Kamen Rider Pepakura files, so there is a chance I'll end up putting off the Gundam for a bit and cosplaying a rider instead. I already found files for Kiva whose costume I love.

Well one way to reinforce the papercrafted model is to either use paper hardener (similar to papermache), fiberglass resin and or liquid plastic. Whichever outfit you decide to do, I'm sure you will excel at -- the same techniques apply to all mecha cosplay :thumbsup:

Let me know if I missed something and or if you have any specific questions guys :square:

-Jarred

striker0
07-27-2010, 01:13 PM
Well, with the cosplay picnic done and over with (btw, I won the cosplay contest for best skit, considering I was the only skit, haha, for my Animal Crossing cosplay), I now have 4 months to get the rest of my Gundam MkII done for the wintercon. The torso I will continue to work on, seeing as that is the more complex part of it, with the arms and legs looking like a cake walk. But I'm having some thoughts about the feet, as well as the head piece. As I said, this last head piece was going to be the last one I was gonna make with cardboard. I've been given the green light to buy a sheet of Wonderflex, since it's a good size, but I'm also thinking of adding some foam to help out with the bulk, and just make it a tad bit more comfortable. What kind of foam should I look at for this part?

As for the feet, and I have seen this on several cosplays, were people will make the feet of the gundam cosplay out of wood, and then put some old shoes on the top of the foot structure, mounting them by a means of screws through the bottom of the shoe onto the gundam foot. I am a big guy, about 6ft, and weighing in around 250lbs. Should I use 5/8in thick plywood, with 2x4's as the support frame for this?

Afrokenshi
07-27-2010, 03:54 PM
Okay, ive been cruising around alot of Japanese mecha cosplayers pages, and i keep comign across a material called larrisa? does anyone know what it is?

zenithvsp
07-27-2010, 05:21 PM
Well, with the cosplay picnic done and over with (btw, I won the cosplay contest for best skit, considering I was the only skit, haha, for my Animal Crossing cosplay), I now have 4 months to get the rest of my Gundam MkII done for the wintercon. The torso I will continue to work on, seeing as that is the more complex part of it, with the arms and legs looking like a cake walk. But I'm having some thoughts about the feet, as well as the head piece. As I said, this last head piece was going to be the last one I was gonna make with cardboard. I've been given the green light to buy a sheet of Wonderflex, since it's a good size, but I'm also thinking of adding some foam to help out with the bulk, and just make it a tad bit more comfortable. What kind of foam should I look at for this part?

As for the feet, and I have seen this on several cosplays, were people will make the feet of the gundam cosplay out of wood, and then put some old shoes on the top of the foot structure, mounting them by a means of screws through the bottom of the shoe onto the gundam foot. I am a big guy, about 6ft, and weighing in around 250lbs. Should I use 5/8in thick plywood, with 2x4's as the support frame for this?

While wonderflex is a good material to work with; you're going to need base for it or similar conjoining pieces to fit with it. Of course, for good stability. You can use high density foam such as volara, cut/fold/make it similar to papercraft and use hardener for it. Probably a resin or liquid plastic. Here's a couple of links:

Wonderflex/Foam Tut:
http://volpinprops.blogspot.com/2009/01/testing.html

High Density Foam (Volara):
http://gaogaygar.fc2web.com/EnglishMake01.htm
http://cosplay.rydain.org/index.php?itemid=4

Styrene Tut:
http://www.freewebs.com/zanderwitaz/gundamarmorsuit.htm

There are also a few more links a couple posts up. As far as the feet go, you can basically use any wood that can be easily cut into the desired shape(s). It depends on if you want the feet to hinge, i.e., bend like human feet; meaning a two piece design, utilizing a hinge type system like a door's hinge. The one piece design is simpler to do but is hard to maneuver in. You'll have the cut the wood exactly as your suit dictates, since that would be easier than to cut the wood "willy' nilly" and then cover it up with materials. You're definitely going to need to cut 2-3 inch pieces of wood. Probably the thick wood pieces you'll find at Home-Depot. You can actually get them cut in a certain way if you have the exact measurements ready

Okay, ive been cruising around alot of Japanese mecha cosplayers pages, and i keep comign across a material called larrisa? does anyone know what it is?

I am having the hardest time deciphering if "larrisa" is the cover material for the foam or is it the actual foam itself. The descriptions are never really specific. I am still undergoing the research behind it! :crylaugh:

-Jarred

Faded_Illusions
08-02-2010, 04:37 PM
Hey friends! I am starting a gundam musume but I cant pick a mobile suit. What would you like to see done / which in your opinion is the coolest and/or has the simplest LEG or BACKPACK design? Thanks <3

zenithvsp
08-02-2010, 05:22 PM
Hey friends! I am starting a gundam musume but I cant pick a mobile suit. What would you like to see done / which in your opinion is the coolest and/or has the simplest LEG or BACKPACK design? Thanks <3

Hello to you too! What is a Gundam "Musume"? I've never heard that term before -- is it another word for costume? Honestly, off the top of my head I can name you few suits:

-Zeta Gundam (White Unicorn Version)
-Zeta Gundam Plus (A1 or C1)
-Wing Gundam Zero Custom (Version KA)
-Hi Nu Gundam
-Gundam X
-Gundam Double X
-Gundam Archer
-Reborns Gundam
-Gundam 1.5

You will be my hero if you make Gundam Archer. Simply put, it's an elegant and beautiful design. That and I think it'll suit you well :crylaugh: I hope this helps,

-Jarred

Faded_Illusions
08-02-2010, 06:37 PM
Its also known as a gundam girl. They are half mech, half girl. http://miotd.com/images/20070227.jpg

striker0
08-02-2010, 06:56 PM
@Faded Illusions:
A Gundam Musume? AWESOME!

To answer your question, it would be better to ask yourself what you would like to do. Getting opinions is great and all, I know I ask for them. But it mostly boils down to what you would want to do. Do you have a favorite? What is the design like? What gundams have you watched? Is there any you haven't watched? Sometimes, it's better to watch a particular gundam to see if there is any mobile suits that you absolutely love. That's how I came up with doing the Gundam mk2 from Zeta Gundam. I had plans of originally doing the RX-78-2 Version Katoki Gundam, but once I saw Zeta, and not to mention getting the model, I fell in love with it.

Most people would be thrilled to see a gundam cosplay, even more so with a gundam musume because they can be hot and deadly at the same time. So it's more of a question of which one YOU like the most, and fits best into your criteria.

zenithvsp
08-02-2010, 07:02 PM
Its also known as a gundam girl. They are half mech, half girl. http://miotd.com/images/20070227.jpg

Oh okay, now that makes some sense! Well right off the bat I have a few:

-Zeta Gundam
-Hi Nu Gundam
-Strike Freedom Gundam
-Crossbone Gundam
-Gundam Wing Zero Custom
-Gundam Wing Zero Custom (Verson KA)

http://gundamhq.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/wing-gundam-girl.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d173/blackboxchopper/0e163c40f37f9ab7740fabfbb75e3eec-1.jpg

Those I think are the more good looking ones. The RX-78 has been done too many times, but it does look good as well :eek:


@Faded Illusions:
A Gundam Musume? AWESOME!

To answer your question, it would be better to ask yourself what you would like to do. Getting opinions is great and all, I know I ask for them. But it mostly boils down to what you would want to do. Do you have a favorite? What is the design like? What gundams have you watched? Is there any you haven't watched? Sometimes, it's better to watch a particular gundam to see if there is any mobile suits that you absolutely love. That's how I came up with doing the Gundam mk2 from Zeta Gundam. I had plans of originally doing the RX-78-2 Version Katoki Gundam, but once I saw Zeta, and not to mention getting the model, I fell in love with it.

Most people would be thrilled to see a gundam cosplay, even more so with a gundam musume because they can be hot and deadly at the same time. So it's more of a question of which one YOU like the most, and fits best into your criteria.

Truth ^^

-Jarred

stratum75
08-05-2010, 01:27 AM
MWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! I have finally collected enough money to start purchasing the foam, adhesives, styrene, wonderflex, paint materials for my cosplay. Which means I can pick up on my mecha suit cosplay again.:bigtu:

striker0
08-06-2010, 12:54 PM
Sounds great stratum75. Which one are you doing again?
*is too lazy to look at the previous pages*

God I'm watching some of the older videos of the masquerade when i did box gundam. I hope I can pull off better poses with my mk II.

zenithvsp
08-09-2010, 05:13 PM
MWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! I have finally collected enough money to start purchasing the foam, adhesives, styrene, wonderflex, paint materials for my cosplay. Which means I can pick up on my mecha suit cosplay again.:bigtu:

Oh that's a great start -- please be sure to do your research on the various materials as well! :crylaugh: I am anxious to see what you will have in store for us soon, hehe

Sounds great stratum75. Which one are you doing again?
*is too lazy to look at the previous pages*

God I'm watching some of the older videos of the masquerade when i did box gundam. I hope I can pull off better poses with my mk II.

Ha, I believe Stratum is doing the "Gurren Lagann" a Gunmen if I can recall correctly? Not necessarily a Gundam, but it's still mech :thumbsup:

Oh don't worry, you'll do fine once you cease incessantly thinking about doing what you're doing when you do it; if that makes sense! I get nervous when I do something embarrassing such as a cosplay, but I remember for one that I am wearing a mask! And two, I just act like myself with no harm done. I hope, ha

-Jarred

cupcakegirl174
08-18-2010, 07:13 PM
i looked at the pics on your site. those pieces look really nice. iv been trying to figure out a way to make a nobel gundam cosplay myself. lol

zenithvsp
08-18-2010, 08:15 PM
i looked at the pics on your site. those pieces look really nice. iv been trying to figure out a way to make a nobel gundam cosplay myself. lol

If you're referring to my Gundam, then that project has been scrapped long ago, haha :crylaugh: As far as the Noble Gundam goes, I think you'll have a pretty straight forward time making that suit. First off I'd like to mention that right off the bat, Nobel Gundam has high-heel type feet. So that already fixes the feet issues that other Gundams have. Like pieces of a puzzle -- make rough diagrams and sketches, cut them out and paste them together. Make the necessary editing/fixings, then further simplify the design(s). Almost akin to writing a research paper ;)

If you have any questions regarding anything cosplay related (mech), please feel free to post

-Jarred

ZiharkSan
08-27-2010, 05:18 AM
Hello my name is Adam I am from the UK, and like mostly eveyone in this topic i am mad about gundam. I have not seen many gundam cosplays in england and i would like to do one. I ahve seen there are many tutorials but I feel a bit unsure about the whole making process.

Is their a complete guide somewhere so I have something to go off, I know mirage_cld has done a few but I think he has only covered the head. I would like to know how to do the rest of the suit as well. If anyone has some useful links or suggestions i would appreciate it.

zenithvsp
08-27-2010, 12:13 PM
Hello my name is Adam I am from the UK, and like mostly eveyone in this topic i am mad about gundam. I have not seen many gundam cosplays in england and i would like to do one. I ahve seen there are many tutorials but I feel a bit unsure about the whole making process.

Is their a complete guide somewhere so I have something to go off, I know mirage_cld has done a few but I think he has only covered the head. I would like to know how to do the rest of the suit as well. If anyone has some useful links or suggestions i would appreciate it.

Hello to you to Adam! I am glad to see yet another person who is as interested in this subject as I we all are and greetings to you in the UK :)

As far as a "complete" guide, those are quite hard to come by. Mirage did do some tutorials that did cover the majority of the parts; however, some of them were hidden, lost and or deleted, sadly enough. In a good note, there is a guide specifically for the use of cardboard and similar materials called, "Featherweight's Mecha Guide/Tutorial" -- you'll have to buy it online of course, but it's only a five bucks. Hope this helps,

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/featherweights-mecha-manual/3939931

-Jarred

ZiharkSan
08-27-2010, 02:58 PM
Thanks for the reply I will probibly buy the book to have something to go off. I think I might go through this post and collect all the tutorial links to give me more options.

I think i tried one of featherweights tutorials before it did not run out to well but live and learn. I dont think I would want to use cardboard for the cosplay as well finding good cardboard is harder than you would think and I find it does not totaly suit my needs. Was thinking of possibly using foam, or styrophone (not sure thats spelt right). have you got any material advice?

zenithvsp
08-27-2010, 03:37 PM
Thanks for the reply I will probibly buy the book to have something to go off. I think I might go through this post and collect all the tutorial links to give me more options.

I think i tried one of featherweights tutorials before it did not run out to well but live and learn. I dont think I would want to use cardboard for the cosplay as well finding good cardboard is harder than you would think and I find it does not totaly suit my needs. Was thinking of possibly using foam, or styrophone (not sure thats spelt right). have you got any material advice?

You're welcome -- it's good to have as many resources as possible, either for reference or integration application; i.e., using certain techniques that are for use of other materials and applying them into your work/material. I highly suggest that you read through the many posts of this thread, there are many useful links to tutorials and tid bits of information :rolleyes:

Well I would have to agree with that, but it's good to reference as stated above :crylaugh: Cardboard is most certainly not the easiest way to go, but it is easy to come by and that' what tends to draw people in. For with cardboard, you must have precise measurements and a precise cutting tool in order to precisely fit together the various parts and piece for the actual object to look correct. Being as that cardboard is unforgiving when it's applied with any sort of hardener and or covering; making corrections utterly messy and, for the most part, impossible! With that being said, foam is a good way to go. I, however, cannot shed that much light on the material because I have yet to experiment with it. Furthermore, I have seen a new trend of suit making with the use of papercraft/pepakura combined with plastic resin. It's a rather simple concept. First you would make a paper model of what you're planning to create, then you would apply one light coat of fiberglass resin so that the paper would harden. Then after wards you would pour a bit of plastic resin/liquid plastic into the hardened model and then rotate it around to make sure that the plastic evenly coats the inside. You can then finish the exterior of the model with sanding and putty/filler then paint or you can lightly coat the outside with another coat of the plastic resin for extra durability and then sand/fill/paint. Let me know if you have any further questions -- please refer to the many previous posts on this thread for material guides!

-Jarred

striker0
09-26-2010, 01:39 PM
Well, while I am almost done with my Gundam mkII torso, I've been also thinking of saving that for a later time, and start working on a entirely new mobile suit cosplay. Reason why I say a mobile suit rather than a gundam is because I'm thinking of doing a custom grunt. Well, namely a commander type grunt, the Cgue.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o94/ExDREAM0/aurionsquadroncgue.jpg

zenithvsp
09-27-2010, 12:33 AM
Well, while I am almost done with my Gundam mkII torso, I've been also thinking of saving that for a later time, and start working on a entirely new mobile suit cosplay. Reason why I say a mobile suit rather than a gundam is because I'm thinking of doing a custom grunt. Well, namely a commander type grunt, the Cgue.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o94/ExDREAM0/aurionsquadroncgue.jpg

Oh I see, I'm anxious to see what you have so far on the Gundam MKII toros :)

That looks to be rather fun to make! What materials are you using for your existing project, I forget -- are you going to use the same techniques for the grunt as well?

-Jarred

striker0
09-29-2010, 06:35 PM
@Zenithvsp:
Well, I should have a couple pictures up this weekend. Apparently there is going to be another cosplay picnic here in mid october, so I think I'll be unveiling a near complete gundam mk2 (the torso being the hardest, head piece in a close second). The Cgue might be ready by the wintercon down here, but will probably be done possibly by January, or at the very latest, the summer. And yeah, I'll probably be using the same methods, though I am learning how to make a "rib system" so I can have curves out of cardboard.

Aradiadiane
11-27-2010, 09:17 PM
Just a progress report: I've finally gotten the funds and time together to start my mecha! I ordered stilts from eBay, but they were too tall. I'm making stilts out of PVC instead, and will get my money back from the others.

Has anyone tried wire-sculpting the basic form and covering it? I think this is a better solution for the curvature of the Escaflowne mecha than some of the cardboard tutorials I've read through. Opinions?

One last note- is anyone headed to Anime Boston in April? Would you like to do a mecha cosplay meet-up or something?

zanderwitaz
11-28-2010, 04:17 PM
stilts? I wouldnt wear a heavy costume on stilts...

zenithvsp
11-29-2010, 10:40 PM
Just a progress report: I've finally gotten the funds and time together to start my mecha! I ordered stilts from eBay, but they were too tall. I'm making stilts out of PVC instead, and will get my money back from the others.

Has anyone tried wire-sculpting the basic form and covering it? I think this is a better solution for the curvature of the Escaflowne mecha than some of the cardboard tutorials I've read through. Opinions?

One last note- is anyone headed to Anime Boston in April? Would you like to do a mecha cosplay meet-up or something?

Oh that's great news! As far as stilts go, I don't think that would be the best option for height stability. However, if you come up with something using that stilt idea, let us know! :bigtu: I would recommend to custom make some wooden feet and bolt some shoes onto them for the correct height and proper stability, in addition to broad range of "satisfactory" movement; i.e., walking

As far as wire-sculpting goes, I'm not familiar with that. It sounds to me like a grueling process that probably would not be [expandable] to be able to create Gundam or part, or adjacent. I would stick to the very very simple methods of making a mecha. That is, to use already flat pieces of material and connect/fabricate them to replicate the specified "character", as well as considering the comfort in mobility and other aspects for the part(s). It really depends on what materials you end up using for the parts with curvature. You can use craft foam or high density foam and cut/fold them to replicate the design of the part and harden it with a sealant. Or use wonderflex plastic, heating it and bending it to the desired shape; of course, with using a solid base that imitates the curvature. Or use a balloon with paper mache, then use fiberglass resin or liquid plastic or the combination of the two. Or find a product (pre-made piece) and modify it to fit your specific needs.

As far as I have come to experience, cardboard should NOT be used for any curvature -- unless you have very strong adhesive or holding mechanisms to harden the cardboard in place to replicate what you want. Other than that, cardboard should be limited to flat surfaces and should only be layered twice if hardening it with any sort of resin. Any more layers of cardboard would be useless, bulky, heavy, and hard to handle. Additionally, only use cardboard if you have exact measurements and a "game-plan" to go by. Because unlike paper craft, cardboard has to fit sort of like a "puzzle" in order for it to properly imitate whatever you're making as well as to be structurally stable in terms of durability. Now I'm not saying don't use it or anything like that, I'm simply saying you will have to know cardboard's limitations and weaknesses. And you will have to have a great understanding on how to use cardboard to create a round piece, it's not impossible, it's just really difficult and time consuming...I wouldn't recommend it

I will say this, you will have to practice with [vast] amounts of different materials in order to find "one" that is suitable for what application you're attempting to use it for and one that suits your overall tastes in preference. That, and you will have to know all of the aspects of that material in order to maximize its fullest potential. So that you don't waste time, money, or energy; if we haven't already, ha :rolleyes: So do your research, experiment, and settle on a material and make a game plan on how you're going to use that material to achieve your endeavor.

@"Aradiadiane"; do you have any other materials in mind to use or are you still looking? Also, what are you planning on making?

-Jarred

zanderwitaz
11-30-2010, 11:39 PM
Im actually about half way done with mine. I have a strong preference to styrene, for its strong waterproof characteristics, and my experience with it. takes a TON of patience and superglue, but the results are well worth it!

zenithvsp
12-03-2010, 07:43 PM
Im actually about half way done with mine. I have a strong preference to styrene, for its strong waterproof characteristics, and my experience with it. takes a TON of patience and superglue, but the results are well worth it!

Oh yes, styrene is a good material -- you really have to experiment with it and that takes time. Especially when using cement, it's a grueling painstaking process. However, that's not really a deterrent for me :)

@"Aradiadiane"; do you have any other materials in mind to use or are you still looking? Also, what are you planning on making?

-Jarred

Aradiadiane
12-04-2010, 11:51 PM
I'm still looking, and I'll be making Dilandau's Alseides from Escaflowne (the big red mecha). I'm NOT using cardboard for the big round shoulder globes.

Pona
01-22-2011, 09:01 AM
I need help! may be someone can tell me which material is better to use, making boots for mecha in Gundam cosplay (exia). Especialy what do you use to make hight - like platfoma?
Thanks!

zenithvsp
01-22-2011, 11:00 PM
I'm still looking, and I'll be making Dilandau's Alseides from Escaflowne (the big red mecha). I'm NOT using cardboard for the big round shoulder globes.

Oh I see, well I guess it's trial and error with choosing materials -- I've gone through so much with trying to see what works for me. So far there's things for this and things for that, but I just fill in the blanks with improvising. It's all a learning process! Nevertheless, post with what you come up with as this is a community effort here! Ha :rolleyes: Of course, I will try to do the same *wink*


I need help! may be someone can tell me which material is better to use, making boots for mecha in Gundam cosplay (exia). Especialy what do you use to make hight - like platfoma?
Thanks!

That's a toughy, but right off the bat, you're going to want to get yourself some sturdy boots or any kind of sturdy shoe for that matter. And sort of base your foot/leg design off of that. You will then need to brainstorm on how to fabricate some sort of platform using wood; since it's easier to acquire, it's cheap, it's readily available, it's relatively lightweight, and it's easy to modify and it's very expandable. But before I go into the "how's" and guides, what type of mecha are you looking to create/replicate? With this information, I can see what kind of a design I can think up for you. Let me know :angel:

-Jarred

voltage11
01-23-2011, 12:36 AM
I need help! may be someone can tell me which material is better to use, making boots for mecha in Gundam cosplay (exia). Especialy what do you use to make hight - like platfoma?
Thanks!

pretty easy like zenith said, all wood is the way to go. a couple of quarter inch plywood pieces and 2x4's for the structural support on the inside. make the plywood your sides, the 2x4's layering the middle and a pece of plywood on top. make sure its no longer or wider than your foot is, i attached velcro straps to the plywood to fasten my feet in place. Its up to you to create the illusion that your legs are really that tall and to appeal to the form factor of the gundam :P

Pona
01-23-2011, 06:23 AM
That's a toughy, but right off the bat, you're going to want to get yourself some sturdy boots or any kind of sturdy shoe for that matter. And sort of base your foot/leg design off of that. You will then need to brainstorm on how to fabricate some sort of platform using wood; since it's easier to acquire, it's cheap, it's readily available, it's relatively lightweight, and it's easy to modify and it's very expandable. But before I go into the "how's" and guides, what type of mecha are you looking to create/replicate? With this information, I can see what kind of a design I can think up for you. Let me know :angel:

-Jarred

Thank you, but then I thought of the foam but decided to ask you, I'm trying to do exia

zenithvsp
01-23-2011, 03:16 PM
pretty easy like zenith said, all wood is the way to go. a couple of quarter inch plywood pieces and 2x4's for the structural support on the inside. make the plywood your sides, the 2x4's layering the middle and a pece of plywood on top. make sure its no longer or wider than your foot is, i attached velcro straps to the plywood to fasten my feet in place. Its up to you to create the illusion that your legs are really that tall and to appeal to the form factor of the gundam :P

Voltage makes some good points and gives good pointers here *thumbs up* It's a tricky process, but you won't know what will work until you try! So with that, you're going to have to pretty much see what works for you and how you're able to utilize your materials strengths and address its weaknesses in your application(s),


Thank you, but then I thought of the foam but decided to ask you, I'm trying to do exia

Foam? Well I've come up with a few ideas over the past few months and so far they seem to work pretty well. Here's a rough design of what I was thinking you could perhaps use:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7671/89022541.th.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/89022541.jpg/)

The dimensions are surely off, but it's to give you a brief idea on what you could do. You can either make the foot one piece and try to make the wood platform as light as possible, or you can do a two piece hinge design. It's really up to you on this one. Let me know if this makes sense and or if I can reiterate something for you ;)

-Jarred

Pona
01-24-2011, 03:10 PM
Foam? Well I've come up with a few ideas over the past few months and so far they seem to work pretty well. Here's a rough design of what I was thinking you could perhaps use:

The dimensions are surely off, but it's to give you a brief idea on what you could do. You can either make the foot one piece and try to make the wood platform as light as possible, or you can do a two piece hinge design. It's really up to you on this one. Let me know if this makes sense and or if I can reiterate something for you ;)

-Jarred

Thank you very much! It was a big help!! If i'll have any questions, I'll ask... and so far...I'll let you know about how I'll get it done.^^

voltage11
01-24-2011, 03:47 PM
Thank you, but then I thought of the foam but decided to ask you, I'm trying to do exia

foam is a nice choice and its what i had used to complete my first gundam (Heavyarms in the picture). however, here's some things you should note: foam (talking foam sheets here) can get quite expensive as the project expands. If you're planning on using foam as the structure on the other hand i beg you reconsider. foam is not a good structural material as it is flimsy and maleable. it does make for a suitable outside covering if you're planning on using cardboard or currogated plastic sheeting though. I've recently found that using premium glossed white card (otherwise known as thick-posterboard) is a cheap, nice and altogether better experience than working with foam sheets. My only complaint towards foam sheeting is the lack of toughness. during the convention a part of the foam had ripped due to brushing a banister attached to the wall, it wasnt fun to replace it.

so, structurally you have many options including:
-cardboard
-currogated plastic
-styrene
-PVC card
-bondo/fiberglass

and then appearance wise, the exterior we have:
-premium white card (gloss-posterboard)
-foam
-PVC card
-(anything that looks good and shiny that i have yet to discover)

hope this helps, someone should get a list going of what works well.

zenithvsp
01-24-2011, 04:38 PM
Thank you very much! It was a big help!! If i'll have any questions, I'll ask... and so far...I'll let you know about how I'll get it done.^^

You're welcome and keep us updated! :)


foam is a nice choice and its what i had used to complete my first gundam (Heavyarms in the picture). however, here's some things you should note: foam (talking foam sheets here) can get quite expensive as the project expands. If you're planning on using foam as the structure on the other hand i beg you reconsider. foam is not a good structural material as it is flimsy and maleable. it does make for a suitable outside covering if you're planning on using cardboard or currogated plastic sheeting though. I've recently found that using premium glossed white card (otherwise known as thick-posterboard) is a cheap, nice and altogether better experience than working with foam sheets. My only complaint towards foam sheeting is the lack of toughness. during the convention a part of the foam had ripped due to brushing a banister attached to the wall, it wasnt fun to replace it.

so, structurally you have many options including:
-cardboard
-currogated plastic
-styrene
-PVC card
-bondo/fiberglass

and then appearance wise, the exterior we have:
-premium white card (gloss-posterboard)
-foam
-PVC card
-(anything that looks good and shiny that i have yet to discover)

hope this helps, someone should get a list going of what works well.

Foam is a good material to get some nice cuts in since it is very flexible and soft. If you have experience with foam and have techniques to work it well, then you're going to have great finished products. However, if you're like me, and you have no experience with foam. It's a tough road to follow and I'm still experimenting with the material, so far...it's tricky. I think foam should be limited to simply raising areas of detail. So if you have a flat part (or round) and it has a slightly raised area, then you can cut a piece of foam, slap it onto your part's surface and cover that raised area with some sort of plastic or glossy paper as voltage suggests -- using a low temperature hot glue gun is ideal for joining plastics with other materials together. A high temperature hot glue gun slightly melts the plastic and leaves an icky after surface that is tough to rid of. Great pointers voltage!

As far as other materials go...I've found something at my local "Michaels" to be something of a magic material. It's tougher than cardstock, comparable to cardboard but it's not corrugated, easy to cut like thick paper, and it's suitable for many applications (expandable). Ready? It's called, "Art-Board". A few brands are carried such as "Arches", "Canson", and I think "Strathmore". A good size board of about 16" x 20" is probably $5-7, definitely under $10. This is the kind of stuff where you don't want to make rough drafts or renders out of. Because of the price, you're going to want to save this board until after you know exactly what and how you're going to use it and for. So far, a hot glue gun (any temperature) joins these boards pretty well. I'll post up some pictures of what I've made so far. I was thinking about coating the 'final' pieces with a liquid plastic or fiberglass to give it strength as well as to finish with the final touches (i.e. smoothness, texture, and crispness). I will add onto this when I have time :crylaugh: Also regarding styrene, if you have access to thick gauge styrene, then that could be used as a structural support base. If you only have access to .40, .30, and below. Then this gauge styrene would be suitable for covering areas that need to be further finished. Also...DO NOT USE PLEXI-GLASS! Acrylic is fine if you have access to the proper cutting tools.

-Jarred

voltage11
01-24-2011, 05:51 PM
Good find! I suppose its all a matter of experience and preference when it comes to materials. I like hearing what other people have discovered. I do like foam and you're right that you can get some nice cuts out of it, however i didnt like the fact that it wasnt as tough and durable as i'd hoped for. Needless to say if i had to use it again i would, but if it were up to me i'd check out soemthing else.

Pona
01-25-2011, 12:18 PM
foam is a nice choice and its what i had used to complete my first gundam (Heavyarms in the picture). however, here's some things you should note: foam (talking foam sheets here) can get quite expensive as the project expands. If you're planning on using foam as the structure on the other hand i beg you reconsider. foam is not a good structural material as it is flimsy and maleable. it does make for a suitable outside covering if you're planning on using cardboard or currogated plastic sheeting though. I've recently found that using premium glossed white card (otherwise known as thick-posterboard) is a cheap, nice and altogether better experience than working with foam sheets. My only complaint towards foam sheeting is the lack of toughness. during the convention a part of the foam had ripped due to brushing a banister attached to the wall, it wasnt fun to replace it.
so, structurally you have many options including:
-cardboard
-currogated plastic
-styrene
-PVC card
-bondo/fiberglass

and then appearance wise, the exterior we have:
-premium white card (gloss-posterboard)
-foam
-PVC card
-(anything that looks good and shiny that i have yet to discover)

hope this helps, someone should get a list going of what works well.

Thanks, I tried to make a thin veneer, it's pretty tough and not very hard, can withstand my weight (78kg) is unique, I have not screwed shoes and can not check them in action. It is the first attempt ^ ^ I can show pictures if anyone interested ^ ^

Pona
01-25-2011, 12:29 PM
You're welcome and keep us updated! :)




Foam is a good material to get some nice cuts in since it is very flexible and soft. If you have experience with foam and have techniques to work it well, then you're going to have great finished products. However, if you're like me, and you have no experience with foam. It's a tough road to follow and I'm still experimenting with the material, so far...it's tricky. I think foam should be limited to simply raising areas of detail. So if you have a flat part (or round) and it has a slightly raised area, then you can cut a piece of foam, slap it onto your part's surface and cover that raised area with some sort of plastic or glossy paper as voltage suggests -- using a low temperature hot glue gun is ideal for joining plastics with other materials together. A high temperature hot glue gun slightly melts the plastic and leaves an icky after surface that is tough to rid of. Great pointers voltage!

As far as other materials go...I've found something at my local "Michaels" to be something of a magic material. It's tougher than cardstock, comparable to cardboard but it's not corrugated, easy to cut like thick paper, and it's suitable for many applications (expandable). Ready? It's called, "Art-Board". A few brands are carried such as "Arches", "Canson", and I think "Strathmore". A good size board of about 16" x 20" is probably $5-7, definitely under $10. This is the kind of stuff where you don't want to make rough drafts or renders out of. Because of the price, you're going to want to save this board until after you know exactly what and how you're going to use it and for. So far, a hot glue gun (any temperature) joins these boards pretty well. I'll post up some pictures of what I've made so far. I was thinking about coating the 'final' pieces with a liquid plastic or fiberglass to give it strength as well as to finish with the final touches (i.e. smoothness, texture, and crispness). I will add onto this when I have time :crylaugh: Also regarding styrene, if you have access to thick gauge styrene, then that could be used as a structural support base. If you only have access to .40, .30, and below. Then this gauge styrene would be suitable for covering areas that need to be further finished. Also...DO NOT USE PLEXI-GLASS! Acrylic is fine if you have access to the proper cutting tools.

-Jarred
I do most of the thin foam (3 mm) is very easy to cut and paste them super glue for strength on the back side I'm going through at the seams with glue for foam after drying the sutures were like stone, and then that is not broke, I glued a special tape and sanded the seams, elastic, easy and not difficult to wear ^^

zenithvsp
01-25-2011, 12:48 PM
Thanks, I tried to make a thin veneer, it's pretty tough and not very hard, can withstand my weight (78kg) is unique, I have not screwed shoes and can not check them in action. It is the first attempt ^ ^ I can show pictures if anyone interested ^ ^

I do most of the thin foam (3 mm) is very easy to cut and paste them super glue for strength on the back side I'm going through at the seams with glue for foam after drying the sutures were like stone, and then that is not broke, I glued a special tape and sanded the seams, elastic, easy and not difficult to wear ^^

Oh that sounds like an update to me -- pictures would be great :)

I didn't know super glue could be used with foam. I keep thinking of the small green/white bottle for some reason. That's a lot of glue to use! Which reminds me, I think I need a dual temperature hot glue gun...:crylaugh:

-Jarred

voltage11
01-25-2011, 01:02 PM
I'll also post step by step updates here and show you all what im using to make my costume. I'll try and get a pic of the platforms i made, but they're pretty much covered by now.

Pona
01-25-2011, 01:03 PM
Oh that sounds like an update to me -- pictures would be great :)

I didn't know super glue could be used with foam. I keep thinking of the small green/white bottle for some reason. That's a lot of glue to use! Which reminds me, I think I need a dual temperature hot glue gun...:crylaugh:

-Jarred

I use superglue because it instantly sticks together while gently melt into one.^^ how do I do? (photo)

voltage11
01-25-2011, 01:13 PM
I personally use hot glue (high temp) to give it more time to set in place before it completely dries. Never used super glue before lol.

zenithvsp
01-25-2011, 01:20 PM
I'll also post step by step updates here and show you all what im using to make my costume. I'll try and get a pic of the platforms i made, but they're pretty much covered by now.

Sounds good and I'm working to do the same -- I still have a tutorial on the works regarding mecha using various materials as well. Nevertheless, I am looking forward to what you will have for us next time. I think a picture of the platforms you made will be very useful to Pona instead of that picture I drew :angel:

I use superglue because it instantly sticks together while gently melt into one.^^ how do I do? (photo)

Oh I see now, I gotcha :crylaugh: That definitely makes sense and it works for you, so stick with that, literally! Ha, as far as photos go. You can upload them via www.imageshack.us and simply copy and paste the "Gallery Link" and post it here. That saves the trouble of copying and pasting each individual photo link. I hope that helps, let me know if it doesn't

Here's a quick snap shot of my projects at hand with the material(s) I mentioned before:


http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3213/img5280p.th.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/img5280p.jpg/)


-Top Left: Poster Board (Shiny Front, Matte/Dull Back -- sold in huge sheets @Walmart, Kmart, Michaels, Joann)
-Top Second to Fourth: Card Stock Paper #110LB. (@Office-Depot)
-Bottom Left Three: Art Board (Arches @Michaels)
-Bottom Right: Thin Grade Card Board -- Corrugated USPS Shoe Box

-Jarred

zenithvsp
01-25-2011, 01:26 PM
I personally use hot glue (high temp) to give it more time to set in place before it completely dries. Never used super glue before lol.

Me too, a hot glue gun offers so many things but sometimes it's a pain to use because of the hair thin threads it leaves behind. I am looking into getting a dual temp....I'm a penny pincher, ha -- I guess super glue is a good bonding agent for plastics since it's almost like cement. I don't like the smell of superglue all that much, phewy

Pona, do you have access to a hot glue gun?

-Jarred

Pona
01-25-2011, 01:37 PM
Me too, a hot glue gun offers so many things but sometimes it's a pain to use because of the hair thin threads it leaves behind. I am looking into getting a dual temp....I'm a penny pincher, ha -- I guess super glue is a good bonding agent for plastics since it's almost like cement. I don't like the smell of superglue all that much, phewy

Pona, do you have access to a hot glue gun?

-Jarred

yes i have, how that could halp my? ^^

zenithvsp
01-25-2011, 01:53 PM
yes i have, how that could halp my? ^^

Oh I was just curious is all, ha :crylaugh: A hot glue gun is just very handy to have when dealing with bigger structures and is able to be used as a filler as well, unlike many other sealing/joining agents. Also, you can redo or fix up any mistakes easier as well. Great stuff but tricky to use at times of fast pace,

Also just out of my other side of curiosity, have you gotten a chance to read through the pages of this thread as of yet? There's a bit of helpful information that I and other have contributed *thumbs up*

-Jarred

voltage11
01-25-2011, 02:28 PM
Okay, got some pic references for you guys, here we go!

Foot:
http://img152.imageshack.us/i/cimg0634.jpg/ (you can see the flatform, it was built using the plywood 2x4's and liquid nails adhesive)
http://img87.imageshack.us/i/cimg0637n.jpg/ (the top of the foot where my foot will go, strapped with by velcro.)
http://img407.imageshack.us/i/cimg0638a.jpg/ (just a full picture of what the bottom of the leg and the foot look like.

Leg:
http://img225.imageshack.us/i/cimg0630.jpg/ (just the side of it)
http://img21.imageshack.us/i/cimg0631j.jpg/ (the front of it by itself)

Chest:
http://img26.imageshack.us/i/cimg0624.jpg/ (the inside of the chest, the black part to the left is a fan wired to a battery to keep me cool whilst in the costume)
http://img844.imageshack.us/i/cimg0626g.jpg/ (front of the chest, what you see)

Head:
http://img573.imageshack.us/i/cimg0627.jpg/ (this is the inside of the head, you can see the wiring for the lights of the eyes, and a toggle switch in the chin located towards the bottom of the photo)


Materials:
http://img21.imageshack.us/i/cimg0640d.jpg/ (this is the gloss posterboard, it says "thick, and tough and durable posterboard" on it, i get it from a local wal mart for about 99 cents)
http://img840.imageshack.us/i/cimg0641.jpg/ (this is the cardboard which i use for the structure. it's recycled, large, moving boxes of the brand "ducky" also purchasable at wal-mart for less than a dollar.)

Hope this helps!

Pona
01-25-2011, 04:12 PM
Oh I was just curious is all, ha :crylaugh: A hot glue gun is just very handy to have when dealing with bigger structures and is able to be used as a filler as well, unlike many other sealing/joining agents. Also, you can redo or fix up any mistakes easier as well. Great stuff but tricky to use at times of fast pace,

Also just out of my other side of curiosity, have you gotten a chance to read through the pages of this thread as of yet? There's a bit of helpful information that I and other have contributed *thumbs up*

-Jarred

Here is my platform, it is high because I want to make it big. ^^ a lot of work that would lead to thekind of

http://img29.imageshack.us/i/dsc02203fh.jpg/

http://img13.imageshack.us/i/dsc02208kx.jpg/

http://img13.imageshack.us/i/dsc02208kx.jpg/

http://img96.imageshack.us/i/dsc02206f.jpg/

http://img403.imageshack.us/i/dsc02205o.jpg/

voltage11
01-25-2011, 09:54 PM
nice job on the platform pona, getting the height accurate is the first step in creating the illusion of the costume. Just make sure it's sturdy enough to support all your weight on one platform, this will tell you if it's sturdy and durable enough to last walking around a convention.

voltage11
01-27-2011, 03:01 PM
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3323/aegislayout12711.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/i/aegislayout12711.jpg/)

Thats what my costume looks like as of this post, i'd be happy to answer any how to questions ;)

Pona
01-27-2011, 03:26 PM
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3323/aegislayout12711.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/i/aegislayout12711.jpg/)

Thats what my costume looks like as of this post, i'd be happy to answer any how to questions ;)

Have you tried to walk in it? If yes, how it was? :D

voltage11
01-27-2011, 03:44 PM
Have you tried to walk in it? If yes, how it was? :D

Since the platform is a heel and not flat, its a little different than what i was used to with heavyarms. However, it was surprisingly easy to walk in due to the fact i incorporated a knee bend-joint.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1126/aegiskneejoint.th.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/i/aegiskneejoint.jpg/)

Have you gotten around to walking on your platforms? Did it work out?

Pona
01-29-2011, 10:32 AM
[QUOTE=voltage11;3780655]Since the platform is a heel and not flat, its a little different than what i was used to with heavyarms. However, it was surprisingly easy to walk in due to the fact i incorporated a knee bend-joint.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1126/aegiskneejoint.th.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/i/aegiskneejoint.jpg/)

Have you gotten around to walking on your platforms? Did it work out?[/QUO


How are you going? with gundam? :cool:

voltage11
01-29-2011, 12:00 PM
It's going well, I'm currently working on my shoulders and arms. I've built the costume so far with a frame made from PVC pipe. this way all you have to do is put the pipe into a socket and the part will stay in place. This is the method I'm using for the shoulders where i'm forming the shoulder around a pipe and attaching it to a socket in the chest. This will make it easier to transport since the shoulder will not be connected to the chest permanently and can be sorted into boxes I'm going to end up building for all the parts.

And you Pona? :)

zenithvsp
01-29-2011, 10:41 PM
Great posts you two! Looks like you both made a lot of progress in a rather short period of time! I do apologize for not being here for the discussion, I've been quite busy with non-cosplay matters. But it looks like you guys took off without me, so I'll just join right here then yeah? Ha :crylaugh:

An absolutely helpful and well put post of pictures voltage, I'm sure that has helped Pona and others. It sure has given me some insight on what other cosplayers are going for their mecha constructions *thumbs up* And Pona, you're on the right track with your status update. Please fill us back in on what updates you may have as well! It looks great so far,

As for me, I will begin construction of something quite special starting this week. You will be in for a treat *grins* Updates to come, muhaha -- oh by the way voltage, how did you manage to find me on Facebook? I knew I recognized that notorious profile picture of Heavy Arms, haha

-Jarred

voltage11
01-30-2011, 02:12 AM
thanks for the thumbs up on the pics. I hope it helps anyone wishing to do gundam cosplays. And I found you through your cosplay.com profile, you had a facebook link. Feel free to bring any ideas to me through there too. I'm on it all the time and innovation doesn't have to wait :)

Pona
01-30-2011, 03:39 AM
Great posts you two! Looks like you both made a lot of progress in a rather short period of time! I do apologize for not being here for the discussion, I've been quite busy with non-cosplay matters. But it looks like you guys took off without me, so I'll just join right here then yeah? Ha :crylaugh:

An absolutely helpful and well put post of pictures voltage, I'm sure that has helped Pona and others. It sure has given me some insight on what other cosplayers are going for their mecha constructions *thumbs up* And Pona, you're on the right track with your status update. Please fill us back in on what updates you may have as well! It looks great so far,

As for me, I will begin construction of something quite special starting this week. You will be in for a treat *grins* Updates to come, muhaha -- oh by the way voltage, how did you manage to find me on Facebook? I knew I recognized that notorious profile picture of Heavy Arms, haha

-Jarred

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8215/dsc02228zs.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/dsc02228zs.jpg/)

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4667/dsc02227v.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/dsc02227v.jpg/)

this is my progress for the moment.:mfg:

Pona
01-30-2011, 09:19 AM
I am now thinking ... Should I cover the glass part or not? like they are strong .. :s :)