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Eurobeat King
09-19-2009, 07:20 AM
Hey everyone,

Once MikomiCon 2009 is over, please reply and give your thoughts on this year's con. Stuff like:

Did you like the con? :) Or not so much? :(

What were some of the highlights for you or disappointments?

And.. will you return next year in 2010 or not?

Feel free to discuss what you thought about various things about the con: the hotel, the staff, masquerade, dealers' room, panels, cosplayers, etc.

Please be courteous if you have something to post about that you didn't like, as those con-staff who may read these posts want to know how to improve for next year. So try to keep it polite throughout the thread.

Thanks for your input!

Vensy
09-20-2009, 03:45 PM
Seemed really really small and quiet. I only went on Saturday. This was my first time going, but I heard from people that last year's was bigger? I'll probably return next year, just cuz I'd like to see the convention grow.

As for events and whatnot, I kept leaving the area and coming back (to eat, get boba, etc), but from when I was there the only thing I really checked out was that game they were playing outside around 10pm from RPG Maker. Was amusing, lol.

I didn't get a badge so I didn't go into any of the badge-required places. Just wanted to hang out with friends.

Super No 1
09-20-2009, 10:04 PM
I absolutely love this convention. I really enjoy photographing conventions and the CSUN campus is a big playground for me. This is the only convention in the Los Angeles area that I get really excited about shooting at. It's simply an amazing place to shoot. There are so many possibilities if you're willing to explore and do some walking. Any cosplayers and photographers that shot with me over the weekend will tell you that we did a lot of walking to find some very unique areas to take photos. We were all over this campus. On my flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/20678544@N08/sets/72157622283926301/) is just a small sample of what was tried.

Atmosphere is pretty laid back. Honestly, I think the heat drained the energy out of a lot of people including myself, but there isn't much you can do about that. If you simply stay oustide in the main area, the staff seems almost non-existent except for the one's running some of the outside events. The staff isn't one that will harass you for stupid little things and that's good.

As for cosplayers, I can only talk about the ones I worked with. I didn't work with a lot of cosplayers, but I spent a lot of time with the ones that I photographed. I spent Saturday working with cosplayers that I've never met and they were very friendly and willing to spend the time and go out to various locations around the campus. It was very refreshing to work with new cosplayers who have a great attitude. I'd definitely love to work with any of them again.

Dealers' room--really small. I think it took me ten minutes to browse through it.

I kinda miss the karaoke room, but replacing it with a Rock Band lounge was interesting. I've set up Rock Band at the SoCal Gathering picnic in Irvine for the past two years and am always amazed when I see a setup more outrageous than mine. I felt it was a bit too organized though. I didn't like that fact that they made you sign up on a list with a complete 4-person band in order to play. Just let people get in there and have fun.

I watched the taiko group perform on Sunday and I always make it a point to not miss that. I love having them at this con. I also listened to Traci Hines' performance. I've never heard her before, but she has an amazing voice. It was nice to hear somebody new perform at an anime convention.

I'm definitely coming back simply because it's my favorite convention in Southern California to take photos at.

ScarletRhapsody
09-21-2009, 01:08 AM
The Good
+ Very relaxing con.
+ Nice location for photos. Great if you dig them photo shoots.
+ Dealer's Room had lots of dvds that I wanted at sweet prices. Yet, I'm saving my money for NYAF this weekend.
+ It was a very interesting experience being on the behind the scenes side of masquerade. This was a wonderful opportunity that I would totally do again!
+ Rooms were nice and cool!
+ Getting a Gijinka Persian (based off my design) commission drawn by JessiCon.
+ Those fabulous gummy worms from the ALA peeps.
+ Seeing friends again!
+ Sunday's DragonBALD Evolution commentary by Kyle Hebert. Now that's entertainment! Totally worth the price of con admission.

The Bad
+ Other than Kyle Hebert's commentary screening, there was not much to do on Sunday.
+ Arm muscles are still sore from carrying around a dollfie with an Oakland booty. (Korean face, for the record)
+ 90 degree weather, but it's the valley. Can't be helped.

The HUH?
+ May not have a lot of time to upload photos / report. I still have NDK to take care of and New York Anime Fest this weekend.

Hazel Chaz
09-21-2009, 01:55 AM
I didn't get a badge so I didn't go into any of the badge-required places. Just wanted to hang out with friends.

The reason your friends went there to hang out is because MikomiCon rented the space. This costs money. Lots of money -- about half of the registration fee went straight to that. (More, actually, because CSUN students got in free or nearly so.)

"Badge-required places" is the whole place, from an ethical point of view, even if the convention staff can't effectively have badgers (badge checkers) everywhere.

If MikomiCon doesn't break even, it probably won't happen next year. You couldn't justify spending the $20 to keep things going?

The reason we ALL go to the convention is to see the other people going to it -- that's what "convening" is all about.

Vash_Fanatic
09-21-2009, 02:54 AM
I was there on Saturday, didn't stay for very long(due to work). I did cosplay..in fact that is the main reason why I went there. I met up with a couple of friends and was very entertained for the few hours that I did stay.

The con was very small, I saw a lot of familiar faces. Small, but rather enjoyable.

Campus was HUGE (but beautiful!). I did get lost..-.-"

I did not go into the dealer's hall, well, just because I heard there wasn't very much inside. I do feel really bad about not buying a pass, but for the time that I spent there, it wasn't really worth it.

All in all, I thought of it more as a gathering like the So Cal Cosplay gathering and no so much as a convention. I may attend again next year. Kinda torn on it. (The drive was terrible in time, but wonderful scenery).


If MikomiCon doesn't break even, it probably won't happen next year. You couldn't justify spending the $20 to keep things going?

The reason we ALL go to the convention is to see the other people going to it -- that's what "convening" is all about.

While I agree it is great to support the cause, you have to understand that most of the attendees were young and most of them probably have very little income.

Hanging out with friends should be free.

I have met people who don't pay for Anime Expo when they attend. I just looking at it this way, they are missing out. If they just went there to hang out, no problem.

Hazel Chaz
09-21-2009, 12:22 PM
While I agree it is great to support the cause, you have to understand that most of the attendees were young and most of them probably have very little income.

Hanging out with friends should be free.

Oh, hanging out with your friends at your own place or party is fine. But crashing someone else's event is not cool. It's not just a coincidence that all those friends were on campus that day.

And being broke does not mean you have a right to attend every event.

FiveRings
09-21-2009, 01:19 PM
Oh, hanging out with your friends at your own place or party is fine. But crashing someone else's event is not cool. It's not just a coincidence that all those friends were on campus that day.

Your first post irked me because you came off very rude. This post just confirms that and has convinced me not to attend ALA if you are it's chairperson. I'll also ask any cosplayers I might work with not to attend either.

You should know as well as anyone that a con is about it's people. You should also know all it takes to get a gathering like that is a well organized forum thread. I'm fairly certain that without cosplay.com, this event would have been a complete failure. Did you look at Mikomicon.com's forum? Deserted. And that was before they collected a dime in registration. If Mikomicon doesn't break even, you can't harp on these cosplayers for not paying. Blame the organizers for not giving them a reason to pay.

And being broke does not mean you have a right to attend every event.
Last I heard, they have the "right" to check out any event they want to. I'm sure if they saw something worth going to that required a badge, they would've paid for it.

As for the con itself, it seemed like they tried to stretch 1-2 days of programming over 3 days, which left a lot of dead time. I paid for it and don't think it was worth it. I was mainly there to photograph, but when there was downtime, I'd go check out the panels only to find there were none going on. The only thing I enjoyed was the band performances. Nisei festival was free and had more to see/do.

The people were the best part. Just about all the attendees were either cosplayers or photographers. Most everyone was outside and seemed to be having fun. Anyone inside was just trying to beat the heat. I paid for a badge and I didn't need to. I went inside for all of 20 minutes: 10 at the beginning to look around (before I had my badge) and 10 later on to catch some air conditioning.

daoutlaw
09-21-2009, 01:20 PM
I think this con needs to take a new route. So far, having the typical convention format did not help this con at all. It may have even hurt them a lot, trying to rent out those rooms and cutting events down.

Maybe a school festival theme? They are in middle of school, after all.

Hazel Chaz
09-21-2009, 02:47 PM
Your first post irked me because you came off very rude. This post just confirms that and has convinced me not to attend ALA if you are it's chairperson. I'll also ask any cosplayers I might work with not to attend either.

I apologize for my offensive tone.

Some people believe that they don't need to support MikomiCon if they want to take advantage of it.

It is my position that they are doing the convention harm.

Super No 1
09-21-2009, 04:46 PM
Some people believe that they don't need to support MikomiCon if they want to take advantage of it.

It is my position that they are doing the convention harm.

I think that can be said about any convention. Ghosts probably don't hurt the large events too much, but for the smaller conventions, it can mean determine whether the con dies or lives to see another year.

One less con is not a good thing.

Your first post irked me because you came off very rude. This post just confirms that and has convinced me not to attend ALA if you are it's chairperson. I'll also ask any cosplayers I might work with not to attend either.


Honestly, there will still be a lot of good photographers at ALA. One photographer's boycott isn't going to do squat. Cosplayers shoot with whoever they can find. If not you, than they will find someone else if they really want to go to ALA. That's the way it goes.

[BMICplay]Chae
09-21-2009, 04:57 PM
Con was cute but things didnt go as sceduled... and annoyingly I got a parking ticket for parking on the far white side of the lot where there isnt a sign that says parking permit needed, was there some parking intruction in the site that I missed? now I have to pay double than what I spent on the badges/passes.:bigcry: Lame... and the ticket says the right plate number but the wrong car color lol... uber lame and weird...:untrust: So uber strict for an event going on... :bigcry:

But on the other hand I bought alot of cute stuff.... oh and I liked watching the people do that sumo thing and staff people were funny and nice.

Shivaness
09-21-2009, 06:45 PM
I personally LOVED the con. Though I feel guilty not buying a pass either...but last year I did buy a pass. Sorry that it's small and doesn't have many events, but I promise next year to support it as much as possible! >< Last year I bought a pass, but sadly this year I didn't! Next year I will though~

So eventful, got to meet new people and hang out with old ones. Attended only the dance on Saturday since it was the only active thing going on and well...can't do much while pregnant so I was lounging around most of the time and trying not to overdue myself.

For Chaz, I understand what you're trying to say, and I support the idea of supporting the con even for 20 bucks~ Oh! And for ALA, you're the chairman and you've been doing an AWESOME job at it! Been attending for about 3 years now, so you can expect me and a couple of my friends to support ALA! >=D Whoo!

Summoner Lenne
09-21-2009, 07:00 PM
Ok, this is ridiculous guys.

I understand not being able to afford a con. I'm a broke college student. Cons are expensive. But half the people I saw at the con were ghosting. Most were my friends, actually. And everyone has the same excuse 'I'm just coming to hang out with my friends! I'm not going to do anything at the con! So, sorry, but...'

Like Chaz said, the REASON people are at the con in the FIRST place is- there's a con here! And it takes MONEY for that to happen. To rent the facilities costs MONEY. Where do you think the con gets most of it FROM? Memberships! Everyone complained last year- I think justifiably- that memberships cost too much at 50 dollars. So they dropped the reg, TO 20 BUCKS. I'm sorry, but if you save up long enough anyone can get together 20 dollars. Or you could, you know, volunteer. Ya, that thing that HELPS the con rather than hinder it?

Everyone who says 'I'll support next year!" Well, we'll see if they'll even be one. I honestly think the con is going to not have enough money. And it's every single one of your faults- because you may think 'I'm only one person, how much could this hurt the con?' But it's not just you, it's ALL of you. And again, many many of you are my friends- you all know who you are. I love you all dearly, but this was WRONG.

I agree the con didn't have much going for it- for me Dragon Bald was AWESOME and so was Rockband, and otherwise all the fun I had was from hanging out with my friends. But this is worth 20 bucks.

Also, Fiverings? Yes, cosplay gatherings are made by cosplay.com and would fail without them. Cons? Not so much. Not everyone who goes to a con is a cosplayer, and I'm not going to lie and say it's not HELPFUL, but they have other ways of getting the word out- sure Mikomicon would have had less people if not for this forum, but not NONE.

And no, they HAD a reason to pay. The reason was to be there with their friends. That's worth 50 bucks.

And also, many of my friends who I went '...' and said this all to responded with the response of ('cus they know I'm an ALA staffer and whatnot) "Oh, don't worry! I'll pay for ALA- gonna support THAT!". Um, WHAT? So Mikomicon is NOT worth supporting? Mikomicon is worth it going under and not surviving again?

I agree Mikomicon needs to have more interesting programming and whatnot. But if you want to boycott the con, go ahead and boycott. If you go, PAY. It's 20 lousy bucks! I heard some kids saying 'Hey, how much is reg?' "20." 'Oh... I spent 20 on manga and chocolate already..." "Oh, really? It's ok, they don't really care if you don't have a badge.'

*HEADDESK*

Just- AAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Vent done. Liked the con, agree it needs more programming. GAHHH!

Edit: Actually, a few more points. If you want to go meet up with your friends for free, TONS of cosplay gatherings a year. But not everyplace will let you. You can't get into Disneyland and justify it with "I wasn't going to go on any rides! I'm just going to hang out with my friends and look around at the landscape!" ('Cus, you know, it's AWESOME at Disneyland.) Too bad. It's your choice if you don't want to go on any rides, but if you want to hang out with your friends at Disneyland you have to pay for it, and if you're broke? Well. That sucks for you. But if you went for free, and everyone else did also, Disneyland couldn't function.

And last point to Fiverings. If you want to boycott ALA that's fine. Go, don't go to the con, don't pay for it. Good for you. You actually decided to not go, and made a stand on it and didn't give it any money.

Everyone else did the same thing who ghosted, instead they just showed up to Mikomicon and effectively boycotted it. So good job guys! Good job -_-.

StarlitHellsing
09-21-2009, 09:51 PM
I really liked the convention, since it was so small it was much more personal. I actually got to talk to people and there weren't mobs of people swarming for cosplay photos. It was a nice number and the scenery was beautiful.

I only had one problem with the con....the video rooms. Unfortunately every time I went into one it was having a technical difficulty or it would be working fine until halfway through the anime then it was having a problem. It would have been nice for a staff member to stay in the room to keep it running smoothly.

Thank you for an amazing convention, I had lots of fun and the game room was awesome!


Oh, and I realized something about the mikomicon forums...for some reason it doesn't allow people to post on them, I've tried several times and so have many others. Could that be the reason no one posted there? I think so. So whoever it was saying Mikomicon owes cosplay.com for their publicity needs to calm down a bit.

Come on guys, it's $20, support the con and watch it grow.

ScarletRhapsody
09-21-2009, 10:01 PM
Okay, the high school / undergraduate volunteer and community service work side of me is speaking...

Can't afford the badge? Volunteer! Friends can't afford the badge? Volunteer! It takes plenty of man power to run an event. $20 might seem like the difference between having lunch or not for a college student, but if you still like con-going and are on a student budget, there's always the volunteer / staff option. Besides, it's fun to volunteer with a group of friends too.

Trust me, you get a better appreciation for cons when you're behind the scenes.

/ two cents

Vash_Fanatic
09-22-2009, 12:28 AM
Oh, hanging out with your friends at your own place or party is fine. But crashing someone else's event is not cool. It's not just a coincidence that all those friends were on campus that day.

And being broke does not mean you have a right to attend every event.We weren't crashing anything.


And look, this isn't a place to be bashing people. That means everyone. This is basically a thread to express what we thought about the con. Not what we think about the people for not buying a pass.

Let's face it, people will not always do what you want. So chill. We get what you are saying...but do you understand our side at all?

Anyways, I'm done. Now break it up guys.

Eurobeat King
09-22-2009, 12:59 AM
The HUH?
+ May not have a lot of time to upload photos / report. I still have NDK to take care of and New York Anime Fest this weekend.

more like The WHAT?!

you were at NDK and i didn't see you all weekend? how was that possible? :eek:

When I make these feedback threads, sometimes they do get out-of-hand with off-topic posts, and drama. Such is the case with this one. I will ask that everyone please stop the drama. If someone posts something negative about the con, try to respect their opinion since it is their opinion about the experience they had at the con. Thanks.

daoutlaw
09-22-2009, 01:10 AM
more like The WHAT?!

you were at NDK and i didn't see you all weekend? how was that possible? :eek:



It's actually my NDK report she's taking care of. She's the webmaster, after all.

Eurobeat King
09-22-2009, 01:32 AM
It's actually my NDK report she's taking care of. She's the webmaster, after all.

oh i see.. cometothinkofit, did i see YOU all weekend as well? it's a small con, but easy to miss people.. :thumbsup:

daoutlaw
09-22-2009, 01:36 AM
oh i see.. cometothinkofit, did i see YOU all weekend as well? it's a small con, but easy to miss people.. :thumbsup:

http://www.cosplay.com/photo/2270250/
^ sure did see me, chief.

and yeah, it really is easy to miss/lose people there *which surprised the hell out of me*

Eurobeat King
09-22-2009, 01:54 AM
http://www.cosplay.com/photo/2270250/
^ sure did see me, chief.

and yeah, it really is easy to miss/lose people there *which surprised the hell out of me*

oh, yeah.. i gotcha. :) Thanks!

I'm done posting here, but again to everyone, cool with the drama. Thanks.

AM Chair
09-22-2009, 09:51 AM
As a fellow chair, I agree with Chaz's concerns. Ghosting has been a growing problem for the smaller events in the last 5 years. Gotta find a happy medium somewhere. People want the small intimate con feel, but if they want superior entertainment, revenue must be raised just as surely as you have to pay to get into whatever KISS FM is putting on. J-rock bands are demanding at least $1000 for the weekend as well hotel rooms off the con, and lately, some VA guests are picking up on the "appearance fee" scheme (where once they came for the shear networking to make connections in the industry and going to cons was an investment).
When you go to these events, appreciate that whatever you experience costs something. A hotel room, a fee to appear, stuff like that. If we don't make the numbers to cover cost, hotels and whomever we owe have little understanding or patience. It's business.

In our esteemed partners case, holding Mikomicon on campus exacts a high rental fee of student building and common areas, so the memberships were high in the past to cover that. This year it was a case of using volume (high numbers of people paying a low price) to cover those costs and ghosting hurts the event in that regard.

Cons are always about hanging out with your friends, along with a little something extra to share while you're there. Small events provide time and space you'd never get at the larger ones. I think we've reached critical mass in California with the shear number of cons we can all attend. People now have no fewer than 7 events to choose from up and down the state, a huge increase from the first two since 1992. You can't go to them all these days, but the ones you DO go to, please support them financially if you can. Perhaps a "donations" can in the hang out open zone would work. Kinda like public radio; you listen to it and they need public support now and then.

Con organizers despise having to chase people around checking for badges. It's bad PR. But if a solution could be found so that those wishing to hang out could support the event in some small way, it would be wonderful if not abused. It's a great con for the area and it offers a unique experience. Mikomicon reminds me of those school fairs I used to experience in Japan. I hope it will continue for as long as we have.

Hazel Chaz
09-22-2009, 12:22 PM
People now have no fewer than 7 events to choose from up and down the state, a huge increase from the first two since 1992.

More than that...

January: 1,2. Anime Los Angeles, Sac-Anime.
February: 3. Animation On Display/AOD.
April: 4. Anime Conji (new, in San Diego). We'll ignore the new Anaheim Comic Con that Wizard World is starting up.
May: 5. FanimeCon
July: 6. Anime Expo (and we'll gloss over Comic-Con in San Diego)
September: 7,8. Sac-Anime (they do two a year), MikomiCon
October: 9,10. Ani-Magic, Yaoi-Con
November: 11. Pacific Media Expo

Also over in Arizona and Nevada, which are "local" for a lot of Californians:

May: 12. Phoenix Comicon
June: 13. Anime Kaigi (new, in Flagstaff)
September: 14. Anime Vegas
October: 15. Saboten-Con (Phoenix)

We'll gloss over Fannatikufest (March) in St. George, Utah, which is only "local" for the Victorville-to-Vegas crowd.

Plus there are two or three "Animeland" convention-like things, that I haven't checked out yet and haven't seen any conreports on -- Animeland Tucon (Tucson), Animeland Vegas, and so forth.

And, as Sarah mentioned earlier, there are a lot of Cosplay gatherings (http://www.cosplay.com/forumdisplay.php?f=68) organized and announced right here on Cosplay.com. That's a big increase just in the last five years, people meeting other people and coordinating things online and doing picnics and Little Tokyo get-togethers and the like, all over the state (as well as across the country). So people who want something free to attend have plenty of choices too.

Eurobeat King
09-22-2009, 01:11 PM
Let's just stick to the subject about what this topic is about, and that's just how those who went to MikomiCon post about their thoughts on the con.

This thread isn't about other cons, just this one con, MikomiCon.

Thanks.

FiveRings
09-22-2009, 01:12 PM
I never said people don't have to pay for covention content. My feedback (this is a feedback thread after all) regarding Mikomicon is that they had nothing worth paying for.

I suggested Vensy and Vash_Fanatic come to Mikomicon because I would be there photographing and I could shoot them while I was there. They arrived and asked me if there was anything worth paying for and I said no. They had already missed both band performances and from what I had seen, there wasn't anything else to see. I suggested they get a badge if they wanted to see the masquerade, but they didn't care to see it. I don't know what other people's reasons for not paying were. But that was me actively looking for something to do in between shoots.

Hazel_Chaz, how many people did you get at your potluck picnic? 50+? That was free and that was done in one forum thread. But it demonstrates that people DO have a lot of choice now which means you can't just throw up a website and expect people to pay. If Mikomicon's forums weren't working, that's on them. I just checked and saw new posts dated last week which shows me it's working for some people. Their main site right now says to provide feedback on cosplay.com, not their own forums. So either way, Mikomicon owes a lot to cosplay.com.

@Super No 1, you're right, I'm just 1 photographer and my presence won't affect ALA. That doesn't mean I have to give them my money though.

@Hazel_Chaz, your first two replies didn't even apply to me, but insinuating that my friends are somehow bad people for not paying for an event that didn't offer them anything, seemed rude to me. Would you have asked people to leave your picnic if they didn't bring something?

I'm not trying to stir up drama and I haven't attacked anybody, but that's my honest feedback for Mikomicon and it can be summed up in one line: Give attendees a reason to pay and they will.

Eurobeat King
09-22-2009, 01:18 PM
I know more drama will come from the last post, so rather than delete it, to prevent more drama from happening, i'm going to close this thread and make another one, so that people can give their feedback about MikomiCon. Hopefully that thread will have less-drama..