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Vexation
06-08-2010, 04:47 PM
Discuss your feelings on steampunks at cons. I don't want a general steampunk discussion.

Starters: Do they fit in anime cons? Why or why not? Shouldn't they be more at sci-fi cons?

Furthermore, to those that say no to the first question, do you also dislike scifi cosplay at anime cons and vice versa?

Me, I don't think Steampunk really fits at anime cons. Anime cons have a general eastern/asian focus and I've yet to hear of any Asian steampunk goers.

One particular chip I have on my shoulder--a covention turned down a Cybergoth fashion panel claiming it was not 'anime' enough, but let in steampunk. I raged.

So, discuss.

No flaming kthnxbai.

Mesoian
06-08-2010, 04:53 PM
(Edit for old memes) "It's more likely than you think".

Popularity is a hell of a thing.

On one hand, I can understand why people would have a problem with it. It's not of japanese origin, it has very little to do with anime at all, you'd be hard pressed to find examples of it.

But it's popular, and it does extend the medium of costuming. But Fashion is fashion. And while you may have a grude about it, consider this, if steam punk is in now, then perhaps cyberpunk/goth will be in next year, and things will become more open until everything is allowed. Whether you're for or against the sanctity of cosplay, that is the way things work now a days.

Furthermore, whether it fits or not, people will still do it. I see cybergoth at anime cons, cosplay at comic cons, comic costumes at regular concerts, you see everything everywhere if you pay enough attention. It's because, at the end of the day, you're supposed to be doing it for the fun, not to redefine the rules. Redefining the rules comes along when people see its fun in follow in your footsteps.

So don't worry about it so much.

Stormraven24
06-08-2010, 04:55 PM
I don't care. Anything can become steampunk, therefore it fits. Anime cons are now just more like general cons than anything to me. When I can see a Superman, a Sailor Moon, a Sherlock Holmes, and musicians all at one con, then it's a good day. As for Asian steampunk, I can't find the picture but there was a group of Asian people cosplaying steampunk miners/laborers. They were really cool and really authentic.

The decision to keep out cybergoth but let in steampunk was probably a bit unfair, but maybe for the next time you (or they, whoever is running the panel) can give them a list of reasons why their panel should be accepted; not dissing other topics for panels, but just why that one should be given the green light :)

hellparadiso
06-08-2010, 04:57 PM
I kind of don't like the assumption that "anime conventions" should only allow anime-related cosplay and events. It seems snobby to me, and I don't think snobby is what we're going for. If anime conventions were only for anime, we'd have to do away with Star Wars, Firefly, Doctor Who, Star Trek, steampunk, comic book, video games, and classic fantasy cosplayers as well, and that would make most cons I've been to look pretty dismal. ETA: Not to mention Lolita and J-pop/J-rock cosplays as well, which aren't strictly anime themselves.

There are a lot of different fandoms and interests that crossover readily among certain groups of people. Although I don't particularly like the direction steampunk is going, I can certainly appreciate the costumes people put time and money into to wear at my anime convention. Also, steampunk fans don't really have a place to go to embrace their fanliness right now. Once there are more steampunk balls and conventions, I'll expect to see a little less steampunk happening at anime conventions.

But as far as I'm concerned, the more the merrier at anime conventions. I'm happy its become such a great melting pot of different interests, opinions, attitudes, and costuming styles. It's growing more and more every year.

Kazephyr
06-08-2010, 05:02 PM
In terms of the panel passing steampunk but not cybergoth... Makes no sense to me. cybergoth is bigger in Japan than steampunk (correct me if I'm wrong... I'm quite sure), therefore I'd say it belonged more. :/

In terms of just people wearing steampunk stuff around... I don't see why there's any problem with it. A wise cosplayer (whose username I have forgotten XD) once said: "When you start funding my costuming endeavors, then you can tell me what to wear."

Vexation
06-08-2010, 05:04 PM
It's growing more and more every year.


But is this a good thing?

As more groups join the anime bandwagon, there's more, let's say, turf wars.

I deal with Steampunks looking down on me quite often, as thought cyber is beneath them. Of course they don't know that I'm also a neovictorian-sporting fashion person. I was called, quite a few times, nasty names.

And it's not just Steampunks giving crap, but it's turning into turf wars. x doens't belong at anime cons so we're going to treat them badly, but y is better than x and feels more entitled...

It's a festering breeding ground for drama. And while I try not to let it take away from my overall con experience, I feel like fewer and fewer of these incoming fans are really there for the con.

tifaia
06-08-2010, 05:10 PM
I kind of don't like the assumption that "anime conventions" should only allow anime-related cosplay and events. It seems snobby to me, and I don't think snobby is what we're going for. If anime conventions were only for anime, we'd have to do away with Star Wars, Firefly, Doctor Who, Star Trek, steampunk, comic book, video games, and classic fantasy cosplayers as well, and that would make most cons I've been to look pretty dismal. ETA: Not to mention Lolita and J-pop/J-rock cosplays as well, which aren't strictly anime themselves.

There are a lot of different fandoms and interests that crossover readily among certain groups of people. Although I don't particularly like the direction steampunk is going, I can certainly appreciate the costumes people put time and money into to wear at my anime convention. Also, steampunk fans don't really have a place to go to embrace their fanliness right now. Once there are more steampunk balls and conventions, I'll expect to see a little less steampunk happening at anime conventions.

But as far as I'm concerned, the more the merrier at anime conventions. I'm happy its become such a great melting pot of different interests, opinions, attitudes, and costuming styles. It's growing more and more every year.

Agreed. Anime conventions are really Japanese conventions. It's not limited to one topic, but to everything Japan. Steampunk does have a following in Japan, but I don't know about the popularity. It feels like it is more involved in the U.S., but that could just be my perception since I haven't researched the topic to back up this claim. I'm not against having steampunk at anime conventions. Only when con's exclude other Japanese popular culture topics does it make me question that con's integrity.

KittyKax
06-08-2010, 05:14 PM
There actually was an Anime Film in 2004 where the theme was Steampunk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamboy

So Steampunk is technically in Anime lol

Lithium Flower
06-08-2010, 05:20 PM
I think it's insane for people to decide what is and isn't okay for other people to do at a place where your wearing purple spandex and rainbow wigs.

No one should have to validate themselves at a Convention.

alpha_helix
06-08-2010, 05:25 PM
I only go to one or two anime cons a year, and the experience always reminds me why I like sci-fi cons much more. Anyway, I can totally understand why one might be peeved about official anime convention programming centered around steampunk, but I hardly think it's worth throwing a fit over. As for the cosplayers themselves? Why give a damn? If we openly accept Ronald McDonald, Barack Obama, Stromtroopers, and Superman at anime cons, then it shouldn't matter if some people decide they'd rather show off their steampunk costume.

And if you're (general you) the type to get in a tizzy over Ronald McDonald, Obama, Stormtroopers, or Superman please do the rest of us a favor and lighten up.


But is this a good thing?


Yes. We will always need more Victorian inspired people so I won't turn into a lonely emo kid and go cry in the corner. It might water spot my silk taffeta.

Vexation
06-08-2010, 05:28 PM
I think it's insane for people to decide what is and isn't okay for other people to do at a place where your wearing purple spandex and rainbow wigs.

No one should have to validate themselves at a Convention.

I don't go to a rock concert expecting to see country music, why, by god, should I go to an anime convention expectin sci-fi?

Again, I'm all for live and let live. But it's something I'll eyetwitch about and then go on my happy way.

I just wanted to see if I was the only darned person that thought this way.

CezzaXV
06-08-2010, 05:50 PM
I love the sort of multi nature of anime cons. The fact is, if anime cons were just about anime, I probably wouldn't go. It would bore me to death. I'm not actually much of an anime fan, but I like manga and games, and I enjoy seeing other aspects of Japanese life, as well as being a huge fan of costuming. When I think about my favourite panels and memories and such, not many of them have really been anime related. This year, I'm actually cosplaying my first ever completely non-Japanese character. However, I feel good about doing it because the film I'm cosplaying from has a reasonable following amongst anime fans, I love the character and I don't go to any other non-anime conventions to wear it. There are characters from other American comics I'd like to cosplay one day, but I'll probably wait until I go to a more general comic convention for that, as the characters I'd like to do are pretty much completely unknown amongst anime fans.

The thing about turf wars, I think if people are gonna put you down because you belong to a certain group, then these people are going to put you down whatever. They will find a reason, and what you're wearing just happens to be the most obvious thing because you stand out.

I see anime as the thing that links all the fans together, but we're all different people with diverse interests. However, having a taste for anime also gives us the taste to enjoy many other things the same too. Why shouldn't we celebrate that too?

wiche603
06-08-2010, 05:53 PM
steampunk at an anime con is to cosplaying american cartoons at an anime con (If that makes any sense)

As long as the person can talk anime or at least like Japan then I don't care what they wear. Anime encompasses a lot of different styles so nothing should really be discriminated against. Not to mention everyone is in costume so it's hard to tell the difference.

Leadmill
06-08-2010, 06:01 PM
Saying that Steampunk shouldn't be at "anime conventions" because its not "azn" enough is probably the most short-sighted thing i've read all week, and on Coscom that takes some beating. I'd say at least half of "anime convention" cosplay these days derive from video games or comic books. Thats not very "anime" so where is the censure for these cosplayers? It seems there are a lot of Kingdom Hearts fans here, I don't think what ever sexually androgenous, racially ambiguous, agent provocotours from what ever Square Enix have released this week, serve as a good illustration of something steriotypically Japanese.

This idea that anime by definition makes the con Japanese orientated is like saying that all Sci Fi events are British based, as works by the likes of Jules Verne and H.G Wells pioneered the genre in the early 1900's. Yet I don't recall seeing Union Jacks everywhere whenever I attend one. Or tweed jacketed, pipe smoking, monocle wearing gentlemen, bemoaning the attendance of Naruto and Bleach cosplayers at 'thier' event.

Edit: Also the idea of "turf wars" is just nonsense. There are no turf wars, its just another form of percieved drama that doesn't exist based on ignorance and paranoia. Steampunks aren't looking to take over. Thats like saying lolitas or BJD fan are going to try and claim dominance at events.

But thats just me.

kiratsukai
06-08-2010, 06:10 PM
*shrug* Let people wear what they want and don't let it bother you.

It would be nice if people could find ways to work their steampunk fetishes into animation/comics ~ but it shouldn't be a requirement.

Hayao Miyazaki and Renge Murata are both hard up for steampunk. They'd both probably get a kick out of it.

I find original steampunk costumes no more disconnected from the topic at hand than original maids, catgirls and assorted misinterpreted Japanese stereotype costumes ^^; Anime and manga do not = Japan. To assume they do is kind of naeive. And honestly, quite a lot of steampunk costuming is more visually interesting and in the spirit of the sort of imagination we expect from the medium of animation than Death Note closet cosplay.

I don't really see the connection between Jpop and anime either... but everyone's crazy about those washed-up-Visual-Kei-band concerts :)

You don't have to get it for other people to enjoy it.

And really... is MORE available programming and variety ever an issue to complain about?

Enjoy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Steampunk_anime_and_manga

Legatosgurl
06-08-2010, 06:14 PM
I personally don't mind Steampunk at anime cons, considering that everytime we're at a con, we always find Video Game and TV show characters wandering around. Dr. Who, Dr. Horrible, it dosen't matter. They're there, and most times people don't even blink. I don't see why we'd have an issue with steampunk, especially seeing as it has it's basis in Japanese culture. Steamboy, Astro Boy, Full Metal Alchemist... I have other examples, but can't recall them at the moment. Still. The point stands.

Leon_Redfield
06-08-2010, 06:16 PM
I don't mind it at all, but it's been getting way more attention then it should be lately.

No offense to anyone at all, but I was a little miffed when me and a bunch of buddies painstakingly put together our costumes and grouped together only to have VERY FEW photos of us taken; meanwhile a group across from us got THOUSANDS of photos taken because they had Nerf guns and backpacks spray painted copper colored with simple LEDs and cogs glued to them.

Once again. No offense. But it's a little depressing to me when that happens, I spend hours and hours making a costume...just to be upstaged by someone who threw theirs together in 20 minutes.

kiratsukai
06-08-2010, 06:17 PM
...especially seeing as it has it's basis in Japanese culture.

...

I'm pretty sure Steampunk (even in Japanese anime/manga) draws the bulk of its inspiration from European literature and Victorian culture.

Nekko
06-08-2010, 06:17 PM
A wise person once said * Really why judge others? When are all just nerds in costume?*

Would you really deny Convention Jesus? And let Manfaye walk uninhibited?

kiratsukai
06-08-2010, 06:18 PM
Would you really deny Convention Jesus? And let Manfaye walk uninhibited?

Even Jesus can not save us from Manfaye.

Lithium Flower
06-08-2010, 06:24 PM
I don't go to a rock concert expecting to see country music, why, by god, should I go to an anime convention expectin sci-fi?

Again, I'm all for live and let live. But it's something I'll eyetwitch about and then go on my happy way.

I just wanted to see if I was the only darned person that thought this way.

There's a difference between buying tickets for a band and shallowness over other peoples fandom.

That is what makes me eye twitch. From now on I'll be sure to only kawaii-desu in the appropriate atmosphere.

RedYume
06-08-2010, 06:24 PM
Starters: Do they fit in anime cons? Why or why not? Shouldn't they be more at sci-fi cons?

My initial thought is that no, they don't belong at Anime conventions. However when I thought it over for a bit, I admit that I changed my stance. I do think they belong at Anime cons as well as sci-fi cons and western comic conventions as well. I think it will be more at sci-fi cons ANYWAY, given that is its predominant genre.

So, why did I change my mind? There are actually several reasons. First, Japanese Anime does not always focus around Japanese themes. Just as American movies aren't always about cowboys and Indians or the infamous "OC". There are actually a lot of Anime titles which ARE science fiction in genre as well as a good smattering which embody the European flair associated with Steam Punk. Steam Boy, Kuroshitsuji, Rose of Versailles and others immediately come to mind- though if you gave me an hour or so I could come up with a very long list. Some are more "steam powered" than others- but each is decidedly NOT Asian.

Along the topic of being "steam powered" or perhaps not so steam powered (as the case may be), I like to take into consideration the novel idea of no-canon costumes. For instance, Kuroshitsuji takes place in Victorian England (HIGHLY recommended btw) and has all the ribbons, bows, top hats and canes associated with that delightful era. While there are a great number of costumes to make that ARE canon (especially with Ciel), it is not a far jump to err... make it steamy? (BAD pun, I know I know... forgive).

But I am crossing and mixing, not taking the genuine article into consideration when I talk about non-canon costumes with steam-themes. So, let's cover that as well. Completely aside from Anime that do have costume reflecting steam punk themes, anime conventions are probably the largest venue for cosplay of all varieties. Not only that, but probably the MOST varied of the cosplay venues- ranging from leather and lace to velvet and velcro. Anime fans "GET IT" when it comes to costumes.
It isn't Halloween, it isn't dress up, it is art craft and SPORT. I think this is particularly appealing to the Steam Punk crowd because of this. That... and at non-anime venues... you can only see so many slave princess Leias before you start to lose appreciation for all the hard work that goes into making the costumes. (This is NOT to say that costume is easy to make... it isn't. But when you see about 200 of them in a day, you start not caring that the owner probably spent 100 work hours on it).



Furthermore, to those that say no to the first question, do you also dislike scifi cosplay at anime cons and vice versa?

Not at all. I love questioning wookies to find out where they found the right fur and a really GOOD crew of Star Trek ship jockeys make for awesome photos. You never know what valuable information these people have about their costumes and you never know what photo ops it will give you. Some of the very best cosplay photos I have EVER seen (or at least the most original) mix, match, and mash things together. Captain Kirk meets Vocaloid anyone? Come on, epic win! Or finding a new and better way to attach those vulcan (or eeeelven) ears and do up your eyebrows like they could take over a small planet on their OWN... AWESOME.
I would rather see sci-fi mix with anime and steam punk mix with both rather than see poorly made costumes of ANY genre run around. Am I a snob, maybe I am. But effort gets more points from me than anything else. If you look like a million bucks or a hundred million yen... it doesn't matter WHAT your costume is from, you look AMAZING!
However, if you look like the dollar menu at McDonald's... I'll probably be quite critical (to myself, I do not sit there and criticize!) even if you are the most animeish anime ANIME wrapped in a manga sandwich who speaks fluent Japanese, lives on ramen and is certified to make 20 different varieties of sushi using a katana. I know... I'm going overboard, again please forgive- I'm just being dramatic in my point making.

Me, I don't think Steampunk really fits at anime cons. Anime cons have a general eastern/asian focus and I've yet to hear of any Asian steampunk goers.

Please see above. American Comics and cartoons aren't just Super Man and The Incredible Hulk, Anime isn't just Inu Yasha and Rurouni Kenshin.

That, and there was an Asian Steam Punk cosplayer at Anime Conji who was ABSOLUTELY divine. He was just... beautiful. :bigtu:
Yeah, he was at an Anime Convention, but he was QUITE Steam Punk. I was thoroughly impressed.


One particular chip I have on my shoulder--a covention turned down a Cybergoth fashion panel claiming it was not 'anime' enough, but let in steampunk. I raged.

Now what happened there... was wrong in my opinion. I would have to say that in their own ways, each style is equally Anime-esque, or NOT (as the case may be). If there was room, then both panels should have been allowed. If not, then it should have been first come, first serve. The excuse of "not close enough to the mark" is pretty poor taste.
However, that is on the discretion of the convention organizers- and there lies the problem. Just like some people believe that Anime revolves exclusively around ASIAN themes, there are people who take the same sort of slanted liberties with gothic, punk, lolita, Victorian, and just about any style of costume (or CLOTHING... don't jump on me guys. I know this isn't ALL costumes. Some choose these looks as lifestyle, I get it).


In the end, we all go to the conventions for the same overall reason. We all create and craft our art to share and show, to have the beauty seen and in turn to behold the beauty of what others have created. I think to segregate that is a terrible shame. We belong together not because we are all Anime, or all Sci-Fi, or all Marvel and DC heroes. We belong together because we create, we perform, and we wish to be around others who can appreciate what we do.

A note on photo shoots. I can understand how there may be some frustration when you're the ONLY Steam Punk hovering at an Anime Convention. It means you have no one to pose with and you probably won't get the attention of the grouped up series stars. Likewise, at a sci-fi convention, if you're the only adorable maid- you probably won't get many shots either. My advice, buck up, group up, and bring your own costumed companions to show just how amazing you are. Or... there is always cross overs! :toothy:

Ok, I have said my long winded piece here. I can't wait to see what other people think!

Leadmill
06-08-2010, 06:25 PM
I don't mind it at all, but it's been getting way more attention then it should be lately.

No offense to anyone at all, but I was a little miffed when me and a bunch of buddies painstakingly put together our costumes and grouped together only to have VERY FEW photos of us taken; meanwhile a group across from us got THOUSANDS of photos taken because they had Nerf guns and backpacks spray painted copper colored with simple LEDs and cogs glued to them.

Once again. No offense. But it's a little depressing to me when that happens, I spend hours and hours making a costume...just to be upstaged by someone who threw theirs together in 20 minutes.
So what your saying is that Steampunk should be marginalised, because you're jealous of the attention that you feel is yours by right?

CezzaXV
06-08-2010, 06:26 PM
I don't mind it at all, but it's been getting way more attention then it should be lately.

No offense to anyone at all, but I was a little miffed when me and a bunch of buddies painstakingly put together our costumes and grouped together only to have VERY FEW photos of us taken; meanwhile a group across from us got THOUSANDS of photos taken because they had Nerf guns and backpacks spray painted copper colored with simple LEDs and cogs glued to them.

Once again. No offense. But it's a little depressing to me when that happens, I spend hours and hours making a costume...just to be upstaged by someone who threw theirs together in 20 minutes.

I think that's always gonna be an issue though, not just because it's steampunk. I've been to a few informal mini cons in my area, and I always spend weeks, if not months on my costumes. One time, someone won who wasn't even wearing a costume, and a second time a girl won who was wearing a black top and leggings and pipe cleaners on her head with the Heartless symbol on her chest. She didn't even know who she was meant to be, she had to ask her sister who was the KH fan.

Even within the anime fandom, I still get a little miffed when the massive Naruto groups get all the camera attention when it's obvious most of them just bought their costumes. Let it go. People like what they like. It's nothing personal.

Legatosgurl
06-08-2010, 06:28 PM
Kiratsukai - I agree, though perhaps one of the causes of it's current popularity (at cons especially) is due to the aforementioned anime, and others. Sorry if I didn't make that clear in my initial post.

Also, don't a lot of cosplayers share the sentiment about photo-jealousy? What about the Anime cosplayers who spent hundreds of hours on their outfits being ignored due to the video game cosplayers who happen to have LEDs? (Just an example)

Inked~Wrong
06-08-2010, 06:35 PM
I think the problem that leon_redfield brought up is valid, really.

I dislike people that put no effort into their costumes. Cyber included--and cosplay. And the fact that just cause it's lol steampunk it gets more pictures than someone that's acutally putting work into everything. people use steampunk often as an excuse to be lazy. Not all but some, and it leaves a bad taste in our mouths.

And I, like vex, pay to go to an anime con to see anime and other japan related things. i'm not a fan of steampunk so if i'm biased, sue me.

Oh, and her title was a meme reference. You tell -us- to lighten up.

ashelia89
06-08-2010, 06:36 PM
steam punk ? ive been reading of this term here and there (i havent looked up the official definition of it but reading about it here ...its a fashion ?)...

i personally like dressing up as much as i can..if i had the chance to attend a con id appreciate seeing all sorts of costumes and interests...as most folks have said here... :)

theres too many conditions to cosplay for some people from what ive been reading back and forth...the point of the hobby is to be happy and share different interests and just all around enjoy being in the community...not restrict our chances of having folks join our communities


Edit -i got to read a small tid bit online along with the reference of RedYume...this sounds cool...

this is however my 2 cents...

Pink Bunnie CP
06-08-2010, 06:42 PM
Conventions are a place where you can express your self I don't think we can discriminate against what some one enjoys wearing even if it's an anime con.

I enjoy steam punk and have designed a steam punk collection but I tend to only wear anime or video game costumes to a convention but my friends have worn my steam punk clothes at conventions and everyone seems to enjoy them ^_^.

Leadmill
06-08-2010, 06:49 PM
I think the problem that leon_redfield brought up is valid, really.

I dislike people that put no effort into their costumes. Cyber included--and cosplay. And the fact that just cause it's lol steampunk it gets more pictures than someone that's acutally putting work into everything. people use steampunk often as an excuse to be lazy. Not all but some, and it leaves a bad taste in our mouths.

And I, like vex, pay to go to an anime con to see anime and other japan related things. i'm not a fan of steampunk so if i'm biased, sue me.



This picture jealously thing is hilarious. Are some people so vapid, so attention seeking, that the mere fact someone else is getting more photos than you predjudice you to a whole sub culture? You want to compete with whatever is the big thing right now? Then up your game! These days a shitty wig, a robe, and a cardboard/tinfoil sword won't compete with bigger and better costumes.

Cosplay is about fun, some people like the competitive element, others still like the social networking oppertunities with like minded people. But if people are going to whine about lack of photos etc then they need to look at what they can do to make people actually want to photograph them. Modern cameras can hold more than one picture at a time. If they are taking pictures of someone else wether it be a Steampunk or whatever, turn around and don't want a picture of you while you are standing there, then thats not their problem its yours.

If the sole enjoyment at a con for you or indeed anyone is based on how many photos they are asked for, then you're doing it wrong.

sweetnsassy
06-08-2010, 06:56 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Steamboy (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2161) answer the question as to whether or not steampunk belongs at an anime con? Personally speaking, I enjoy the diverse fashions (like lolita and steampunk) and cosplay I see at cons. I've seen some amazing steampunk getups that look like they took months to create and I'm glad I got the chance to take pictures of the people wearing them. In my opinion, anime cons would be kinda boring with nothing but anime characters running around, with nary a Harley Quinn, lolita, or steampunk in sight. Variety is the spice of life.

Amanita
06-08-2010, 07:03 PM
I'll pretty much agree with a lot of what's been said here. Why be exclusionary? It kind of reminds of an episode of "Sabrina the Teenage Witch", where she cast a spell to make her cheerleader rival Libby become a nerd. "She doesn't care which group she's part of, as long as she gets to exclude people!"

I also remember reading an article years ago, about bad things happening in the Star Trek fandom. One thing mentioned was this very sort of exclusionary mentality. People who showed up at a con in non Star Trek costumes were turned away. The people who enforced that were referred to as "Trek Nazis"* for their exclusionary attitude, do we really need to act that way too?

I go to sci-fi cons, I'm not going to get bent out of shape by the presence of Anime characters. It's all cosplay, after all.

*The original author's words, not mine

GlassCannon
06-08-2010, 07:05 PM
I don't go to anime conventions at all. My main conventions are DragonCon and San Diego Comic Con, so my point of view on this is a bit different from those who go to a lot of anime cons.

Steampunk has been growing in popularity the last few years, and it's particularly visible at DragonCon. Personally I think it's really great, as it encourages people to design their own characters and costumes, rather than basing their costumes off of something else (not that I don't love costuming based on something else, obviously).

I would say that the majority of steampunk costumes take a LOT of time. WAY more time than a lot of you are giving it credit for. How many animes, movies, comics, or even games lend themselves to "closet cosplay"? Dozens and dozens, at least. Now how many people have Victorian-esque clothing in their closets and can "just throw something together in 20 minutes"? Unless they've made Victoria costumes before, ZERO! Do you know how many hours goes into making a custom fitted Victoria corset? Or how many hours it takes to make a working metal arm? We're talking advanced sewing techniques, metallurgy, and piles and piles of research and planning -- WITHOUT reference pictures! -- for most steampunk costumes.

Now, there are definitely people who do sloppy steampunk, and steampunk-on-the-cheap. Last year at DragonCon there was a vendor selling some $10 plastic steampunk goggles, and by the end of the con they had become the Mickey Mouse ears of D*C09 -- everyone had them. And some people are able to assemble nice looking steampunk costumes from shoes from Target, leftover Loli pieces, welding goggles, and spray painted Nerf guns. But they aren't the majority, and trust me, it still took several hours.

I think there are two reasons that people in steampunk costumes would get a lot of pictures. First, it's difficult to tell at first glance if a steampunk costume involves handcrafted, original pieces -- bespoke corsets, fine leathercrafting, metal pieces made from scratch -- or if it's steampunk-on-the-cheap, with spray painted plastic. When I was first getting into steampunk, I took pictures of everyone I saw dressed in steampunk at cons, and it was only after going through lots of high rez images that I started to be able to separate the high quality handcrafted stuff from the lower end stuff. From 8 feet away, most of it looks astonishingly gorgeous.

The second reason is that a lot of people still don't know what steampunk is. So they see a group of people wearing cool, unique costumes. They're obviously very unique costumes, probably well-fitted and sharp in a way that a lot of "I sewed this out of costume satin based on images from an anime" cosplays aren't (either because the clothing is handmade with a great amount of skill, or because the pinstripe pants, for instance, are a part of a real suit). The group obviously has a cohesive theme and look, but it isn't something the photographers have ever seen before. So they flock to it, and take lots of photos. And a group of photographers draws in other photographers -- there must be something cool to see there, right?

Anyway, my point is just that you shouldn't underestimate the amount of effort that goes into a steampunk costume. And even if you do, you should NEVER, in my opinion, slight someone else's costume because they got more photos than you did. Photo envy is a great way to ruin an otherwise lovely costume.

Prota-Girl
06-08-2010, 07:07 PM
Well, it never really bothers me, unless it's one of those who decide to put on goggles and continue to wear their Tripp pants and black shirt and announce themselves as Steam Punk. Cause that is not.

I've faced the wrath of wearing a Star Trek uniform at an Anime Convention. Booed and hated throughout most of it, mostly why I never bring Girl Spock out of my closet anymore. What saddened me about it all was...well, I love anime, but because I was wearing a Trek uniform, I was dubbed not. The only reason I really wore it was because it was an Anime, Steampunk AND SI-FI themed con... SO I figured it'd be alright. But I was entirely wrong. And I really paid for it. And with that I don't plan to be girl Spock anymore due to people being very judgmental and...well, just oddly haters.. It was sad, but it's in the past and I'll just cosplay from Anime and comics like what they want. lol. It was worth a shot though... *shrug*

But, full fledged steam punk, I greatly approve. Some of the stuff is rather amazing and i love seeing it. ^^

sjbonnar
06-08-2010, 07:07 PM
Why would Steampunk be any less welcome than video-game cosplay, television/film cosplay or something like Gothic Lolita?

I have seen some truly amazing Steampunk costumes created, true, I've seen some lazy ones done too, but generally I've seen a lot of effort being made and I think it's a fantastic addition.

Legatosgurl
06-08-2010, 07:09 PM
Prota-Girl -- Really? Geesh... even back when everyone hated on Jigglypuff and Sailor Mini/Chibi-Moon did cosplayers get THAT kind of disrespect. That makes me really sad. :( I've heard rumor of people egging such cosplayers, but never at a con like this.

Chyster
06-08-2010, 07:17 PM
Ehh...I don't mind Steampunk at conventions. :\ I mean, if what does it matter? No one picks on the kids in who aren't cosplaying. I mean, at least the Steampunks are making an effort to dress up for the con.
orz

Vexation
06-08-2010, 07:18 PM
Ehh...I don't mind Steampunk at conventions. :\ I mean, if what does it matter? No one picks on the kids in who aren't cosplaying. I mean, at least the Steampunks are making an effort to dress up for the con.
orz

Clearly you don't pay attention/haven't been to enough cons yet.

Legatosgurl
06-08-2010, 07:22 PM
@Vexation - It depends on which cons you go to, honestly. I think the biggest thing is the Steampunkers who actually put effort into their outfits, and the ones that came straight out of Hot-Topic and the like.

airzona901
06-08-2010, 07:24 PM
I think steampunk is pretty cool. At the previous con they had steampunk sailor scouts and mario.

I wouldn't mind trying steampunk my self

Leon_Redfield
06-08-2010, 07:28 PM
Stuff.

Not that I'm jealous, If I were that attention craving I'd be right next to them with a nerf gun covered in hot glue ready to go, cosplaying the popular stuff like Bleach of Kingdom Hearts or whatever.

And I didn't say anything about marginalized. You're putting words in my mouth (or should I say, text).

Once again, I said I didn't mind it at the very beginning. I was stating my own feelings on it. I just don't want to see my favorite Sci-Fi and Anime cons turn into nothing but Steampunk conventions.

And besides, even Anime is guilty of quickie costumes. I'm looking at you Death Note.

Vexation
06-08-2010, 07:33 PM
Not that I'm jealous, If I were that attention craving I'd be right next to them with a nerf gun covered in hot glue ready to go, cosplaying the popular stuff like Bleach of Kingdom Hearts or whatever.

And I didn't say anything about marginalized. You're putting words in my mouth (or should I say, text).

Once again, I said I didn't mind it at the very beginning. I was stating my own feelings on it. I just don't want to see my favorite Sci-Fi and Anime cons turn into nothing but Steampunk conventions.

And besides, even Anime is guilty of quickie costumes. I'm looking at you Death Note.

^^That.

Chocolahime
06-08-2010, 07:34 PM
Well you see lolitas and ravers and goths and all this other stuff at anime conventions that has nothing to do with anime. Why not steampunks too?

Vexation
06-08-2010, 07:37 PM
Well you see lolitas and ravers and goths and all this other stuff at anime conventions that has nothing to do with anime. Why not steampunks too?

Lolitas have nothing to do with anime? Have you watched Princess Princess? ParaKiss? Rosen Maiden? Chobits?

Chocolahime
06-08-2010, 07:41 PM
Lolitas have nothing to do with anime? Have you watched Princess Princess? ParaKiss? Rosen Maiden? Chobits?
Well sooooorry.
Some characters have lolita outfits. I'm just saying someone wearing just normal lolita at a convention that ISN'T related to a character is unrelated to anime.
It's like wearing cat ears and saying you're anime related because some characters have them.
But anyways steampunk@animecons - who cares, wear whatever you want.

Leadmill
06-08-2010, 07:41 PM
Lolitas have nothing to do with anime? Have you watched Princess Princess? ParaKiss? Rosen Maiden? Chobits?

Then why ignore that Steampunk has featured in several notable anime series and films by several major animation studios. You can't ignore a point one second and then use it the next.

By your logic now Steampunk has just as much right to be at an anime event as lolita.

Dal_Segno
06-08-2010, 07:45 PM
I think the only place where such a narrow definition would be needed is at the masquerade. If an original steam-punk costume falls within the limits laid out by the masquerade staff though, then so be it.

Vexation
06-08-2010, 07:45 PM
Then why ignore that Steampunk has featured in several notable anime series and films by several major animation studios. You can't ignore a point one second and then use it the next.

By your logic now Steampunk has just as much right to be at an anime event as lolita.

I also need to make a nod to the fact that the roris that only wear it at anime cons, well, i feel that they're out of place, and wearing a lolita costume. That's a whole nother can o' worms there, take that up on the EGL threads.

Let's not forget that Lolita fashion originated in Japan and is a primarily Japanese/Eastern movement.

Didn't mean to cross the streams here.

Also--I wear Neovictorian from time to time. Love it. HOWEVER, I don't wear it at cons cause I realize all things have a time and place. I feel that neovictorian and steampunk don't belong at cons.

I feel, my opinion, me, blah blah.

If you don't like it let's not bicker like schoolchildren. That's kind of the tone I'm getting from you.

tl;dr Steampunk isn't an asain fashion and this is my opinion.

Leon_Redfield
06-08-2010, 07:49 PM
Didn't mean to cross the streams here.

http://velvetpenguin.blog.friendster.com/files/egon.jpg

Chocolahime
06-08-2010, 07:50 PM
It's just odd that you would rather let in cybergoth then steampunk. The are both not REALLY 'anime'
Also there are some people who wear steampunk as normal clothing, So what about that. A lolita wearing normal clothes at a sci fi con (and frankly most other places) would look out of place, so should s/he be eye twitched at?

ALSO: I like how you avoided your circular logic. Since some features of steampunk have been featured in animes shouldn't it be ok to wear original steam like it is to wear original lolita?

*and also again... I don't really like the whole asian glorification thing that's going on here.

Vexation
06-08-2010, 07:50 PM
http://velvetpenguin.blog.friendster.com/files/egon.jpg

Well that's what it feels like. D:

Circular Logic

Japanese. Fashion.

Did you read the tl;dr?

Cogetas
06-08-2010, 07:52 PM
I only cosplay from anime, but I've been known to crash a few sci-fi and gaming conventions with my anime costumes. No one ever looked down on me or tried to make me feel unwelcome.

I think there's room for everyone at anime conventions. Why the big fuss?

In fact, Trekkies were real popular at the anime con I just went to this past weekend. I saw lots of anime cosplayers trading prop making secrets with the Star Trek cosplayers.

Leadmill
06-08-2010, 07:54 PM
If you don't like it let's not bicker like schoolchildren. That's kind of the tone I'm getting from you.
Bickering? No one here is doing that. I'm just counterpointing your assumptions and opinions, and highlighting some of the flaws in your arguement. There is no malice, just common sense.

You can't start a thread with "I don't like X, I don't want it at MY con" and then not expect at least one person to disagree.

At the end of the day there will be Steampunk at cons you attend, best off dealing with it until it fades away into obscurity again.

Eurobeat King
06-08-2010, 07:54 PM
I don't mind Steampunk cosplay at anime cons. It means more pictures for me to take! :)

Chocolahime
06-08-2010, 07:56 PM
Well that's what it feels like. D:



Japanese. Fashion.

Did you read the tl;dr?

Yes but if steampunk is featured in anime and anime is Japanese then steampunk could be related to Japan.
And since you use the word asian a lot I can only imagine you would be fine with people cosplaying from Chinese or Japanese or Korean etc. animes... So if you are ok with something related to such hugely different countries then why not throw another different one in there?

Mangochutney
06-08-2010, 08:01 PM
PFAHAHAHAHAwhat.

Seriously, what.

Go on, walk past the Aunt Jemima and Waldo and Solid Snake and OC fursuit to tell a steampunk they don't belong at an anime con. I have faith that your opinion will be both valued and respected.

Legatosgurl
06-08-2010, 08:17 PM
^ That.

sweetnsassy
06-08-2010, 08:19 PM
Well said, Mango, well said.

kingselite
06-08-2010, 08:27 PM
why wouldn't steampunk belong at an anime convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_steampunk_works


theres a list of movies, anime, manga, comics and all stuff related with steampunk and theres a good list of animes and manga with steampunk styles. i see no problems with it.

kittycoraline
06-08-2010, 08:36 PM
Mangochutney, I always agree with your posts. :,D

Anyway, I love seeing non-anime things at anime conventions, steampunk included. I think it's a really cool style, and might like to try it myself.

Vexation
06-08-2010, 09:08 PM
I never said that I felt Steampunk was the only thing didn't fit in at anime cons.

Fact is that I'm in the minority in the opinion that I like anime at anime cons, and I'm going to step back from the can of worms that I inadvertently opened up by stating an opinion other than the norm to avoid any drama and/or personal attacks from flaring up, like they're starting to.

Peace be wit' cha.

Chocolahime
06-08-2010, 09:12 PM
There haven't been any personal attacks. You are still avoiding the question though. We would just lie you to actually explain your stand. By explaining how it is ok to wear lolita since it has been featured in anime but not steampunk which has also been featured in anime it would really help us understand your point of view. By tippy toeing around it it just seems like you're going "no SP k thanx bai".

Mangochutney
06-08-2010, 09:18 PM
I'm going to step back from the can of worms that I inadvertently opened up by stating an opinion other than the norm

Nope, that's actually called flouncing. But look at my manners, interrupting a nice persecution complex! You have a sweet night now.

alpha_helix
06-08-2010, 09:20 PM
Mango is once again sagacious and resplendent.

Bully!

Nayara
06-08-2010, 09:25 PM
I never said that I felt Steampunk was the only thing didn't fit in at anime cons.

Fact is that I'm in the minority in the opinion that I like anime at anime cons, and I'm going to step back from the can of worms that I inadvertently opened up by stating an opinion other than the norm to avoid any drama and/or personal attacks from flaring up, like they're starting to.

Peace be wit' cha.

I do understand what you meant with Steampunk at Anime Cons. ^^ Don't feel bad because some people are childish and need to bash because "technically" you are indeed right. Steampunk has nothing to do with Anime, but then again the borders of what belongs to an Anime con have long ago become pretty washy. Like people said, there are so many cartoon and game characters and let's not mention all the Harry Potter people. ^^ I personally don't care whether steampunk people come to anime cons or not.

Chocolahime
06-08-2010, 09:40 PM
@Nayara
Then how does lolita have anything to do with anime?

Nayara
06-08-2010, 09:52 PM
@Nayara
Then how does lolita have anything to do with anime?

Huh? I've seen a few anime where lolitas appear (even Detective Conan has them). But like I said, I personally don't really care who goes to an anime con. So "please" don't start bashing me now for my opinion. x___x"

Chocolahime
06-08-2010, 10:07 PM
AAAAAH there you go! I'm not bashing opinions, never did (though I will mention that the quotes on please are unnecessary), I'm just comparing these two:
Lolita HAS appeared in anime
Steampunk HAS appeared in anime
OP's reason for lolita being ok in anime conventions: It has been in anime
So the OP said that lolita is ok because it has been in anime and it is ok even if the outfit isn't related to a particular anime because lolita has been in anime at some point.
Should the same idea apply to steampunk? If not I am wondering why. That WHY is the reason I am a bit frustrated, the op refused to give an answer.
There might be a really good reason why it cannot... but they never said it.

Legatosgurl
06-08-2010, 10:12 PM
Okay guys. I'm not seeing where the personal bashing is coming in, but kay. What I do see are people kinda taking things too far/seriously, IMO.

Chocolahime
06-08-2010, 10:15 PM
I'm just looking for the logic in all of this.

EgnirysFaye
06-08-2010, 10:26 PM
Let's not forget that Lolita fashion originated in Japan and is a primarily Japanese/Eastern movement.




(Don't worry, not here to attack or anything!) I just have a wee, tiny itty bitty critique - Lolita is actually based on Victorian fashion on it's own. And within a more specific matter, "Lolita" has Canadian connections. Anne of Green Gables was a very popular story within Asia for a long time - orphans of the time looked up to her.


In addition, the word Lolita came from a Russian writer named Vladimir Vladimirovich Nabokov, who wrote a book with such a title. The term itself eventually becomes the definition describing an a adolescent girl who is sexually adamant.


Sometimes when people say "Primarily" or "Purely" Japanese....just have to be careful, is all.





ANYWAY!




This thread is getting a wee bit serious.....it is just conventions and costumes, afterall.

beEp
06-08-2010, 10:43 PM
I can see where OP is coming from. These are technically Japanese Anime/Culture conventions. I personally don't have a problem seeing things that aren't Japan-related, but whether or not they technically 'belong' is debatable.

RaDragon76
06-08-2010, 10:52 PM
This argument is ancient history. I've heard every version of it known to costumers:

1. Sci-Fi costumes shouldn't be seen in the halls at anime conventions.

2. Anime costumes shouldn't be seen in the halls at sci-fi conventions.

3. Comic book characters costumers should stay away from both types of conventions and only appear at comic cons.

4. Costumers should make sure to chose convention appropriate costumes for whatever con they are attending and should never step outside the box on pain of death.

5. Steampunk costumes should appear at steampunk related events or cons.

These are just a few that I've heard over the years I've been attending conventions and every one of them is a load of crock. They're all types of costumes so what's the big deal if someone in a streampunk outfit wants to wear it to an anime convention? I think people just need to step back and lighten up a little.

Amanita
06-08-2010, 11:15 PM
^This. It's all cosplay after all, and we're all geeks in costume at the end of the day. So all this snobbery can crawl off and die somewhere.

juusanbantaigrr
06-09-2010, 06:43 AM
Dude, if the Progressive Lady can be cosplayed at an anime con (coughAnimeBoston2010cough) then we steampunks can strut our stuff too.

Just sayin' :D

hellparadiso
06-09-2010, 09:28 AM
Fact is that I'm in the minority in the opinion that I only like to see anime at anime cons, and I'm going to flouncefrom the can of worms that I purposelyopened up by starting a thread that contains an opinion I may or may not actually have for the sole purpose of starting a debate/argument here on Coscom.

There, I fixed that for you.

I don't mind a conversation, but you seem so unwilling to actually listen to what other people think, it makes me wonder why you started the thread to begin with. Nobody has been especially rude until it became clear that you were probably trolling.

I think there's enough snobbery within the anime community (people who hate on old school cosplay, Pokemon cosplay, "easy" cosplay, or trendy cosplay) that adding snobbery to the exclusion of other "non-anime" groups basically makes us as f-ed up and nasty and mean as all the stuck-up popular groups we rail against every day.

I will also add that if ANY convention I attend or want to attend had a "no Steampunk/Lolita/video games/cyberpunk/whatever" rule, I would no longer want to attend that convention.

alpha_helix
06-09-2010, 10:23 AM
I just thought of something. Many people work steampunk aesthetics into their everyday fashion, should they be shunned from anime cons too, even if they're not cosplaying? They're just dressed weird...

Wait. We're all dressed weird. YAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

Nerfherder
06-09-2010, 10:35 AM
I think steampunk is a pretty cool eh.. "fashion"? I might not consider it "Anime" but would group it more with sci-fi I guess. But really, I wouldn't mind more "steampunkers" at anime cons. I've seen loads of sci-fi/hollywoodmovie/steampunk/western game cosplays anyway so it's not like they wouldn't fit in. Some steampunk versions of anime characters could be interesting too, I'm open for new things. Steampunk sci-fi characters trying to enter an anime cosplay contest, well.. Rules are rules. There's not much to do about that but not being let in to the con because you've got the "wrong costume"? Nah, that would (read "should" I guess) never happen.

Arguing that a cosplayer doesn't belong on a cosplay convent is like splitting hair, what's the point really? The only thing I'd take note of though, at an anime/japan convent you'd fit in better if you like anime, and at a sci-fi con you'd fit in better if you like sci-fi. What I would cosplay? You've got nothing to say in the matter, although I'd gladly take suggestions :burger:

I've seriously thought about cosplaying a Lord of the Rings Ringwraith (along with 8 others) to an animecon, just because I know most congoers have seen LOTR and I think it's a funny idea. I don't feel locked to anime just because it's a japan/anime convent.

paper cosplay
06-09-2010, 11:45 AM
there are alot of steampunk style animes.
people dress up as storm troopers and other scifi costumes at anime conventions so no problem with steampunk.

I have seen asian themed steampunked out fits somepoeple don't consider it steam punk but for me steampunk dose not have to be eroupean

I am in a group that dose steampunk theme mystery events mostly its the small anime cons that invite us to put run a mystery event at there cons.

Zeat Project
06-09-2010, 02:01 PM
I enjoy both Steampunk and Cosplay. I believe that a person had a right to dress up as anything they want at an anime convention. There is nothing written in stone stating that they HAVE to be in certain Cosplay. I think it gives people more freedom to have fun. That is what an anime convention is really all about...having fun. I see people dress up a Disney characters, characters from Family Guy, The Venture Brothers, and other various American characters. I do enjoy people doing that very much.

Nerfherder
06-09-2010, 02:23 PM
I enjoy both Steampunk and Cosplay.

Funny how you said that and separated Steampunk from cosplay. No offence, but the choice of words amused me a little bit, coming from someone who actually is a steampunker and want it to be just like any other "genre". :)

At every con there are people who are dressed in ways that doesn't fit in well with the rest of the con. Sometimes Jack Sparrow walks in on the anime con. Sometimes a random stormtrooper. Surely a steampunker would just be seen as an original character, or another version of a character or so, not a freak. From the people I've met at cons, I've noticed that people in general are really polite and nice. Regardless what your cosplaying though, have enough confidence to ignore straightforward people who's toes you aparently tread on without meaning to.

Kitsune-sama
06-09-2010, 02:29 PM
Here's a tiffy: What about an anime character with an existing steampunk design or an original steampunk design? Now what, lulz?

Anyway, for the statement about seeing sci-fi at an anime con.... DERP. A HUGE portion of anime is sci-fi, which attracts people who like 'general' sci-fi. Maybe they don't want to cosplay from that anime, despite loving it.

In any case, stfu. We're all nerds, let's just set our differences aside and hug it out.

Kell-chan
06-09-2010, 02:33 PM
I swore that I wouldn't get involved in this...but I have a solution for the OP.

Start your own con. Ban anything not anime.

Ta-da!

Foos
06-09-2010, 02:43 PM
:3 Oh you guys.

I will never case to be amazed at how a crowd of quintessential "I was picked on in middle school" nerds will always pounce on the opportunity to exclude/shun/reject fellow geeks.

You know, there are a lot of weaboos out there who feel like anime cosplayers in general ruin any chance of their fandom being a legitimate, accepted and mainstream thing. Anyone remember the G4 TV thing where ANYONE in a costume was likened to a fat man painted blue at a football game, embarrassing everyone and tarnishing the image of the sport?

There we go. Anyone who slaps on a costume should be ashamed. IT'S BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD. Or, you could maybe just enjoy being dressed up, without worrying whether that person next to you has a painted nerf gun, froo-froo BURANDO, or a mesh t-shirt with cat ears.

Chyster
06-09-2010, 02:57 PM
Clearly you don't pay attention/haven't been to enough cons yet.

FFFF I haven't been going to a bunch of cons(I started in 07), but I don't mean that every steampunk puts effort forward, but to the ones that do, I have no problem with them. That makes sense, yes?
But in all seriousness, I don't see why it matters at all. So what if they go to the con? If theres not a rule against it, why make a big deal about it?

Alorelle
06-09-2010, 03:04 PM
I don't really care if there are Steampunk cosplayers at an anime convention or not. I think as long as they worked hard on their costume, it looks good and they're having fun wearing it, then why get all upset about it ? Its not like the Steampunk cosplayers are coming over to you and saying "OHSNAP ANIME SUCKS FOO". P: '' Its no different then people dressing in Goth fashion, or Lolita or Visual Kei in my opinion.

hellparadiso
06-09-2010, 03:05 PM
I will never case to be amazed at how a crowd of quintessential "I was picked on in middle school" nerds will always pounce on the opportunity to exclude/shun/reject fellow geeks.

^THIS.

Amanita
06-09-2010, 03:53 PM
^Exactly. Sometimes I wonder if we cosplayers are our own worst enemies sometimes.

Volnixshin
06-09-2010, 03:53 PM
If you don't want non anime cosplay at "your" anime con, don't cosplay sephiroth to it.

I have to say the relies and posts here are interesting enough, this is the first time in five years I've read each and every one of them on this site.

But what would I know, I cosplay american comic book characters and original cosplay designs to your anime conventions. Why would I want to cosplay anime?

Nerfherder
06-09-2010, 04:52 PM
Here's a tiffy: What about an anime character with an existing steampunk design or an original steampunk design? Now what, lulz?


I think that is an interesting dilemma. I can't see how a steampunk OC/ steampunk version of an anime character wouldn't pass into Original Character cosplay competitions. As OC are original, noone can really claim it's not anime as you could draw anything. And really, I agree about the hugs. :toothy:

But more in general regarding clothing, it's not like animecons have a dresscode. Only the competitions does and whoever is arranging it is free to decide whatever rules they want.

The only thing with animecons is that the cons are kind of boring unless you like anime/manga/japan kind of events and it's always more fun and easier to fit in if you have a lot of common ground to build upon :)

milk&honey
06-09-2010, 05:52 PM
I'm not a huge fan of gears & rust-colored everything.

Though, I don't see why anyone shouldn't be allowed to an anime convention based on what they're wearing.

Stormraven24
06-09-2010, 08:19 PM
Here's how I see it: cons are not nightclubs. The only dress code is that you BE dressed. If a con starts refusing people at the door based on what they're wearing (i.e. not "azn" as another poster put it), I highly doubt that con will last another year.

By the way, Kuroshitsuji is set in Victorian England. Should those cosplayers be excluded? It's been my experience that some Japanese love Western things much like some Westeners like Japanese things. Hence a lot of Western ideas and symbolism in movies, shows, music, and fashion.

Just a thought :)

Amanita
06-09-2010, 09:17 PM
I wouldn't want to go to a con where the dress code was as picky as a nightclub! That's why I don't go to nightclubs, either, to be honest. With the strict and arbitrary dress codes, who needs the hassle?

Seriously- I would not want anything to do with a con where they nitpicked costumes at the door. "Oh, you're not anime/sci-fi/comic? No convention for you!" Who needs that? Not I!" Truth be told, I've never been to a con where people were picky about costumes like that. As long as the costumed ones made the effort to dress up, who cares? I would sooner see a crowd of steampunk, anime, sci-fi, and comic costumes out on the con floor than see a lot more folks in "normal" clothes, because they didn't have a strictly "theme" costume to wear.

chinguin
06-09-2010, 10:36 PM
I think steampunk is pretty cool. At the previous con they had steampunk sailor scouts and mario.

I wouldn't mind trying steampunk my self

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/wickedbebop/Stuff/mariolink.jpg

Prota-Girl
06-09-2010, 10:52 PM
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/wickedbebop/Stuff/mariolink.jpg




Now that inspires me. O_O *wants to revamp her Tres costume* Fantastic idea. O_O

TrinityMonkey
06-10-2010, 12:22 AM
i dont mind it
i mean
we have other non-Japanese-oriented cosplayer at anime cons, like those as characters from Disney or Star Wars
i guess its cuz the sci-fi genre crosses over when you mix in mechas and the steampunk genre
they're all connected/influenced, i suppose ^^

hellparadiso
06-10-2010, 09:39 AM
Eh, see, to me that picture doesn't look too Steampunkish. The only things that don't make sense are the goggles, the spats, and the brass buttons*. Of course, Link would have a keyring on his belt. Of course, his weapons would need some sort of harness to attach to his arm.

HOWEVER!

I do love Steampunkified costumes. For realz.

*Goggles, spats, and brass buttons do not a steampunk costume make, in my opinion.

Zeat Project
06-10-2010, 04:33 PM
Funny how you said that and separated Steampunk from cosplay. No offence, but the choice of words amused me a little bit, coming from someone who actually is a steampunker and want it to be just like any other "genre". :)

At every con there are people who are dressed in ways that doesn't fit in well with the rest of the con. Sometimes Jack Sparrow walks in on the anime con. Sometimes a random stormtrooper. Surely a steampunker would just be seen as an original character, or another version of a character or so, not a freak. From the people I've met at cons, I've noticed that people in general are really polite and nice. Regardless what your cosplaying though, have enough confidence to ignore straightforward people who's toes you aparently tread on without meaning to.

I just see Steampunk and Cosplay as two different things.

sam vimes
06-10-2010, 05:15 PM
It warms my heart to know that some of the same people who bitch and moan about people giving them a hard time when they cosplay in public get pissy when someone represents another genre or style of costume at an anime convention.

There's no rule against it. Lighten up.

Cadmium Polyphony
06-10-2010, 08:23 PM
It warms my heart to know that some of the same people who bitch and moan about people giving them a hard time when they cosplay in public get pissy when someone represents another genre or style of costume at an anime convention.

There's no rule against it. Lighten up.

This.

Someone else quote SV. Needs repeating.

Amanita
06-10-2010, 08:27 PM
Funny, I cosplay at public events (not cons), and don't get all butthurt over different costume genres at the cons I go to.

SA2R
06-10-2010, 08:38 PM
I peronslly dont like Sci-fi. I know too many people who have ruined it for me~ and I just dont want to get into it. But as far as seeing steam punk at cons~ I love seeing it!! I love seeing the props, the Steam punk versions of their characters, I even like seeing other Sci-fi cosplays. At one of our little cons, we actually had some Sci-fi cosplays that were asked to leave. And I dont think that is fair.
I think people should cosplay whatever the heck they want =3

Cadmium Polyphony
06-10-2010, 08:41 PM
I peronslly dont like Sci-fi. I know too many people who have ruined it for me~ and I just dont want to get into it. But as far as seeing steam punk at cons~ I love seeing it!! I love seeing the props, the Steam punk versions of their characters, I even like seeing other Sci-fi cosplays. At one of our little cons, we actually had some Sci-fi cosplays that were asked to leave. And I dont think that is fair.
I think people should cosplay whatever the heck they want =3

Which begs the question; would you consider Ghost in the Shell cosplayers as anime, or sci-fi ones?

Why didnt the con ask the people to change, before asking them to leave? Seems a bit trigger happy, if you will.

Prota-Girl
06-10-2010, 09:06 PM
It warms my heart to know that some of the same people who bitch and moan about people giving them a hard time when they cosplay in public get pissy when someone represents another genre or style of costume at an anime convention.

There's no rule against it. Lighten up.

^ True that. I've see it far to often. And yes, lighten up and have a good time. Cosplay is cosplay, costumes are costumes. I see no rules or law as long as your arse crack ain't showing. -_- And with that, I am done with this thread.

kachie_1
06-10-2010, 09:49 PM
Huh... I could go either/or with where this discussion's getting... I suppose the OP just doesn't see Steampunk fitting into an Anime Convention the way that (well, from what I have perceived anyway) a lot of people don't like to see Twilight cosplayed at Anime Conventions...

As far as the Steampunk/Lolita discussion goes, Lolita (though inspired from European fashion) Is indeed a Japanese fashion... So I can understand where he's going that Loli does have more to do with Japanese Culture in an Anime Convention than Steampunk, of which its origins are indeed European. (Though Anime does use it.)

To not want to see it at a convention at all though is going a little bit far, though SteamPunk is getting a bit overdone nowadays... (Though, this is COMPLETELY my opinion...)

...Though, unlike Twilight, Steampunk does have appearances in Animes (D.Gray-Man anyone? <33) so I can see why it's more tolerated in Anime Conventions.

....*hides from anyone that might shank her for comparing Steampunk to Twilight*

hellparadiso
06-10-2010, 10:27 PM
*hides from anyone that might shank her for comparing Steampunk to Twilight*

See, I think the very problem here is the specific comparisons that are going on. The bigger picture, I think, is the idea that certain groups should be excluded while others should be celebrated. There is still a vast majority of anime cosplayers at anime conventions, so I don't think there's anything to worry about with regards to other genres or styles.

I hate Twilight. I loathe it. I wish it would be stricken from public record and readers' memories everywhere. If I saw a Twilight cosplayer at an anime convention, I might be inclined to berate that person for not seeing what I see: a poorly written, Mary-Sue-loving bastardization of romantic writing. What I would not do is berate that person for expressing their particular fandom through costume. In fact, if it were a good costume, I'd congratulate them for their skillz.

Again, until all these different styles and genres have their own easily accessible conventions where they can go squee together, I think we should welcome them with open arms. The lines of "anime" are blurry anyway, especially as it gains popularity in the States and other Western countries, where genre lines are constantly being pressed, bulged, challenged, and blurred.

kachie_1
06-10-2010, 10:32 PM
@hellparadiso

Hmm... I definitely see what you mean. O: I welcome everything to Cons~ I've never once bashed someone for what they wore at a con... (Admittedly, I have wanted to bash Twilighters, but always refrain) Because they main thing is to make sure that everyone has a good time at cons, and no one should bash on people for their costumes.

If you don't like to see them there, you don't have to look at them. You can just walk away. O:

...Though deep down, I think everyone's got at least one cosplay-thing they don't prefer to see at cons... (starts to sing 'Everyone's a Bit -Cosplay- Racist') ...*shot*

Axelai
06-11-2010, 01:16 AM
IMO, you can't just ban a genre of cosplayer from a con. Sure, it may not be "anime", but neither are all the video game cosplays there. Might as well ban all the Final Fantasy cosplayers as well.

Besides, i know a lot of people who dress somewhat steampunk on a day to day basis (not myself, but my boyfriend and all his friends... though i admit i have an outfit or two to fit in with them). Anime Expo is just a day for them to chuck on the pieces that would look weird on a normal outfit (like the golden arm brace and crazy monocles). But really, even if its not japan-ish, it's still just what they want to wear. And thats cool with me, as long as they don't go saying its from Naruto or something. Cuz its not.

Volnixshin
06-11-2010, 11:05 AM
Why are we separating anime from things like sci fi? Anime is just the medium, not the genre itself

Kiichigo
06-11-2010, 11:42 AM
Personally I don't see steampunk as cosplay, but the point is that you can dress however you want at a con (WITH IN REASONABLE BOUNDARIS OF COURSE, WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE YOU WEARING T-SHIRTS SUPPORTING PEDOPHELIA OR SEE YOU NOT WEARING ANYTHING AT ALL)
Fx if I liked to wear tanktops and glittery miniskirts, shouldn't I be allowed to wear that at a con?

Freedom of clothing

RogueMimzy
06-11-2010, 11:50 AM
Alright, guys, in the end we're all just a bunch of nerds running around being nerdy together. Seriously! Costuming/cosplay elitism has been running rampant recently and I just don't get it. I also don't see the point in putting other people's costumes down, whether it's the same outfit you're wearing, same series, different series, or something completely different altogether. Not everyone has $500 and hundreds of hours and all the skill sets to put a costume together. Therefore, not everyone is going to be on the same level.

What is completely stupid is being sneered at because you're wearing something cybergoth/punk. It's kinda like "oh... you cosplay from THAT series?" It's not middle school! I've always gone to conventions to hang out with friends and have fun, and I don't see how harassing other people is fun, though that just might be me. To not have the panel accepted (back on page 1) was a fault of the convention. I'm sure they had some non-anime related panels hidden in there somewhere.

Honestly, if everyone started getting picky... it would just be silly. I become a very happy nerd to see Jedi running around my anime cons, and anime vampires with huge guns/swords running around my comic cons. I guess there will always be elitist people trying to push others down, but in the end we are all just NERDS IN COSTUMES. Maybe very expensive, intricate, and ornate costumes, but costumes all the same. People need to just calm down =\

Pocketfightr
06-11-2010, 01:07 PM
The only reason I could see them turning down a cybergoth/punk panel over steampunk might be that the person deciding had the connection in their mind that cybergoth = rave, and a few of the cons I've got to lately have been trying to convince con-goers to stop calling the dance a rave... due to raves being seen as something parents don't want their kids to attend. Not fair at all, but that's my guess.

The first couple years I was attending cons (back in the day~), yea, I had a similar opinion the OP had. Over the years though, I came to realize that if we snubbed out all the non-anime cosplay, there's a lot of fun stuff we'd never see. Heck, in the 11 years I've been going to anime cons, I probably remember more of the really good non-anime costumes than the anime ones. Heck, the only costumes I can specifically remember from my first Otakon was a group of Star Wars Episode 1 cosplayers. I don't even like Star Wars, but I was amazed they even had a kid for Anakin (it was the year Episode 1 came out).

I don't care what the genre a costume is coming from. If it looks neat, I'm going to take a picture of it.

Zeat Project
06-11-2010, 02:14 PM
Alright, guys, in the end we're all just a bunch of nerds running around being nerdy together. Seriously! Costuming/cosplay elitism has been running rampant recently and I just don't get it. I also don't see the point in putting other people's costumes down, whether it's the same outfit you're wearing, same series, different series, or something completely different altogether. Not everyone has $500 and hundreds of hours and all the skill sets to put a costume together. Therefore, not everyone is going to be on the same level.

What is completely stupid is being sneered at because you're wearing something cybergoth/punk. It's kinda like "oh... you cosplay from THAT series?" It's not middle school! I've always gone to conventions to hang out with friends and have fun, and I don't see how harassing other people is fun, though that just might be me. To not have the panel accepted (back on page 1) was a fault of the convention. I'm sure they had some non-anime related panels hidden in there somewhere.

Honestly, if everyone started getting picky... it would just be silly. I become a very happy nerd to see Jedi running around my anime cons, and anime vampires with huge guns/swords running around my comic cons. I guess there will always be elitist people trying to push others down, but in the end we are all just NERDS IN COSTUMES. Maybe very expensive, intricate, and ornate costumes, but costumes all the same. People need to just calm down =\

I have to agree. I don't see what's the big deal. I just think it's stupid to make such a big deal out of NOTHING.

Creative Genius
06-11-2010, 02:25 PM
well first of all...its not YOUR anime con....its a public gathering for people to have fun and dress in costumes/extravagant styles...or even normal clothing.

steampunk is a fashion that is odd compared to normal day standards so people going to cons feel as they will be more accepted there in full out steam punk than in their normal day lives.
its like the goth kids in their hot topic pants with chains ..black hair and lip stick...thats not japanese based fashion..but no one says anything about them.

Chyster
06-11-2010, 02:26 PM
well first of all...its not YOUR anime con....its a public gathering for people to have fun and dress in costumes/extravagant styles...or even normal clothing.

steampunk is a fashion that is odd compared to normal day standards so people going to cons feel as they will be more accepted there in full out steam punk than in their normal day lives.
its like the goth kids in their hot topic pants with chains ..black hair and lip stick...thats not japanese based fashion..but no one says anything about them.

^ WIN.

ShinobiXikyu
06-11-2010, 02:43 PM
PFAHAHAHAHAwhat.

Seriously, what.

Go on, walk past the Aunt Jemima and Waldo and Solid Snake and OC fursuit to tell a steampunk they don't belong at an anime con. I have faith that your opinion will be both valued and respected.

This. 'Fraid that's all I have to contribute...

Elycium
06-11-2010, 03:02 PM
*Goggles, spats, and brass buttons do not a steampunk costume make, in my opinion.

I have to disagree with you a little there - at least when it comes to modifying an anime / video game character into steampunk. Given that clothing is what makes up about 3/4 of a steampunk ensemble, that Link did a rather decent job. I'll make a comparison with Naruto.

If a person goes into a dealers room and just buys a naruto headband and slaps it on with his/her normal clothing and says "I'm cosplaying random *insert village here* ninja 3983" then no, he/she is not cosplaying. If said person walked into the dealers room and buys a headband, sandals, and akatsuki (sp?) cloak, hat and kunai and throws it on and says I'm cosplaying blah blah blah character (I haven't watch naruto in ages) then yes, he/she is cosplaying, whether you agree with dealers room cosplay or not.

The same thing applies to steampunk. If a person goes and buys goggles and slaps them on his/her head while wearing just jeans and a tshirt and says its steampunk, then they're wrong. Its not. But if the same person buys goggles bracers, ect and puts together an ensemble that looks like steampunk or any sub-genre of steampunk (and there are many), then yes, its steampunk. Its not JUST the props that make it steampunk, though props do help. The trims, bracers, brass buttons, spats, goggles, ect all help make steampunk what it is. That Link did a rather decent job at it. /rant Sorry ^^;


As for the OP - first of all, if you aren't the one funding the convention then its not YOUR convention. If you don't like steampunk, don't look at the cosplayer beyond your first glance, ignore it, move on. I don't want to see two thirteen year old girls dressed up as *insert fan pairing here* making out in the hallways because "yaoi is hot/cool/awesome", but I can't stop it, so I just ignore it.

If you do eventually decide to start a convention and decide to have bouncers at the door to enforce your "anime only" dress code, be ready to watch your attendance fall like a rock dropped off a tall building. No one wants to be told what to wear at a place that is supposed to be about dressing up for fun with other people who like to dress up FOR FUN.
We're all people running around as made up characters, there's not need to nit-pick over who does or does not belong.

godmi
06-11-2010, 09:05 PM
I will also add that if ANY convention I attend or want to attend had a "no Steampunk/Lolita/video games/cyberpunk/whatever" rule, I would no longer want to attend that convention.

Yes, this exactly.

It warms my heart to know that some of the same people who bitch and moan about people giving them a hard time when they cosplay in public get pissy when someone represents another genre or style of costume at an anime convention.

There's no rule against it. Lighten up.

As a steampunk person who also likes anime, I'm going to go to anime cons. If I get made fun of, I'll ignore it. Seriously, getting upset because someone makes fun of what you're wearing? I'd be much more upset if they commented on my character - but even if they did, they don't know me so it wouldn't matter.

That said, this is the first thread where I've actually read all of the replies. I'm not surprised that the OP utterly disappeared after a while (probably a result of being thoroughly trounced by Mangochutney).

Nayara
06-11-2010, 09:13 PM
I'm not surprised that the OP utterly disappeared after a while (probably a result of being thoroughly trounced by Mangochutney).

Can't blame the OP for this. ~____~"

FE Freak
06-11-2010, 09:21 PM
I'm thinking the OP no longer cares about this topic. Might as well close it. This subject has just about been talked to death.

Ryouko
06-11-2010, 09:29 PM
I am absolutely in love with all Steampunk costumers that I find at the cons. Especially with the release of the movie 9 last year, it's brought more fans into the genre. Considering some animes certainly have steampunk elements (Last Exile, Steamboy, Robot Carnival, The Count of Monte Cristo, ect..), I see no problem with it being cosplayed at conventions or even panels about it.

Probably my most favorite photo I shot at A-kon last weekend was a Steampunk version of the Mad Hatter (which, I saw plenty of Alice in Wonderland cosplayers as well, and I certainly don't see THEM being picked on, as they shouldn't be.)

http://www.kampai-photo.com/photo/57.jpg (By the way, I am looking for this cosplayer XD If this is you, please PM me!)

kingselite
06-11-2010, 10:57 PM
@Elycium

i'd have to disagree with you 100% on this one. you claim that slapping on ex. naruto headband and saying you're cosplaying ninja number 5001 is not cosplay but it is. i think along the way people have forgotten the grass roots of what cosplay really is, its not about the fancy dress or how hard you worked on it. its about feeling connected to the character or style you love most and showing how you interprete it to other people.

i can garentee anyone here and bet them a billion dollars that no matter what clothing style you find, or can come up with, i can find it in an anime. thats the beauty of it. theres so much variety whether its officer jenny from pokemon to naruto to gundam to zombie loan. anime, manga, pictures in general are a creative art thought up by someone to express a visual idea and to encapsolate that idea and claim that if its not this, then there is no other, is narrowminded and discriminatory against the very thing you're trying to do.

it would be no different then me ridiculing a naruto cosplay because his hair isn't perfect, or his cloths are one shade off therefor he must not be a cosplayer.

so in the end i reiterate, what is cosplay? because its not fancy dress or copying exactly what a character is, its the connection to that character.

Elycium
06-12-2010, 02:05 AM
@kingselite - you missed the point of my example completely. And I have a feeling that if you asked a group of people at a con if wearing a naruto headband with no other parts of a cosplay that make it look like it came from the anime (i.e. jeans and a tshirt)= cosplay, I'm willing to bet a large number would say, not really. Namely because you don't see ANY ninjas running around in jeans and a tshirt. You might find someone running around in jeans and a hoodie in say... Fruits Basket, but you won't see a Fruits Basket character wearing a naruto headband. So your argument there is kind of moot.

Its the same way if someone saw a person running around wearing just jeans, tshirt, and a pair of goggles, they'd probably think "goggles and jeans/tshirt = / = steampunk." I'm not saying everyone will think that way, but I'm willing a lot of people might. The point I was making had nothing to do with "what makes a cosplay" or "what is cosplay", I was merely pointing out that "spats, bracers, brass buttons, trim, etc" actually do help make a steampunk, well, steampunk.

If a person wants to say that they're "random ninja 78732" then cool, let them. I'm just saying that the way your cosplay is judged by others, meaning the difference between whether people just walk past you or whether they pull out their camera to take a photo, is based on the amount of effort that one puts into their costume, whether they make all of it, some of it, or just thrift it together. So if a person wants to get the attention that so many people (cosplayers) want (i.e. getting photos, compliments, whatever) you have to put at least some effort into what you're doing whether its creating or searching the stores / web for that perfect component that completes the outfit.

edit: tl;dr - goggles alone do not make something steampunk in the same way that just a headband alone does not make you naruto / sasuke / sakura, etc. If you want to claim that you are so-and-so, put effort into what you do.

Shana05
06-12-2010, 09:21 AM
I hate Twilight. I loathe it. I wish it would be stricken from public record and readers' memories everywhere. If I saw a Twilight cosplayer at an anime convention, I might be inclined to berate that person for not seeing what I see: a poorly written, Mary-Sue-loving bastardization of romantic writing. What I would not do is berate that person for expressing their particular fandom through costume. In fact, if it were a good costume, I'd congratulate them for their skillz.

That's still harassment. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't give you the right to berate them. This kind of behavior at cons always makes me uncomfortable because that's how the incident at Motaku where an Edward cosplayer was assaulted started.

Miyabi-
06-12-2010, 09:42 AM
That's still harassment. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't give you the right to berate them. This kind of behavior at cons always makes me uncomfortable because that's how the incident at Motaku where an Edward cosplayer was assaulted started.

This. Honestly, unless I'm asked for my opinion on the subject I'd just hold your tongue and walk away. Hating something someone else loves and making them feel bad by berating them for it would makes me a jerk.
I don't like Twilight either but a few of my friends do. Their taste in literature aside, we have tons in common and I respect their opinions and they respect mine.
It's not so hard to get along as long as people have common courtesy to each other. ^_^

kingselite
06-12-2010, 10:56 AM
@Elycium

now you're playing techicallities here. if you want to go as far as to say no one in naruto is wearing jeans then you'd only be half correct as me saying many naruto characters wear jeans which would be half correct. to go into as little detail as possible about this, look at the style of pants most characters wear especially in the crotch region. as you will notice it is a bifold design overlapping a zipper on almost all pants seen in the series. this design was not used in real life until the invention of jeans which is still used in all jean pants and shorts. now you car argue they are cargo pants, but cargo pants where origionally of military design based on the jean pant but made with more pockets and wasn't until it became more popular that it was made out of a thinner material.

now before you can even begin to argue steampunk, lets put it in relation to naruto. first ever appearence of naruto what was he wearing instead of a head band? goggles, but goggles are a common focal point of steampunk design.

naruto movie 1: steampunk design used in train and airship along with parts of the bad guys clothing design

naruto movie 2: again with the steampunk like design with ships and armor

naruto movie 3: again ships and some carages look steam punk like in design.

shippudden movie 3: weaponry located on both sides where konoha and the sand are about to start war.

its such a wide genre of style to cover.


in response to your tl;dr: if i say its steampunk cause i like the way it looks on me and i think its a cool style, then its steampunk because quite frankly, if anyone tell you different, thier opinion doesn't matter. if i want to believe i'm dressing steampunk by just having on goggles or dressing naruto by just having a headband thats my choice and its not your place to tell me different.

Eurobeat King
06-12-2010, 11:37 AM
the OP stated:

I'm going to step back from the can of worms that I inadvertently opened up by stating an opinion other than the norm to avoid any drama and/or personal attacks from flaring up, like they're starting to.

I agree it's best to just close this thread and move-on. The longer it continues the more drama will unfold.

kingselite
06-12-2010, 12:09 PM
i agree this thread should probably be closed. it's almost always going to turn into a flame war when you start asking for opinions especially on the internet :S.

only reason i really started posting in this thread was cause i don't like other people telling others what they can and can't do and whether they do or don't belong.

chinguin
06-13-2010, 05:48 AM
Its like "The Real World: Anime Con" and "So You Think You Can Cosplay" all wrapped up in a nice little forum packet! :) Who needs reality tv when we have reality internet!

scandia
06-13-2010, 06:30 AM
Many anime/manga/video game series are steampunk. So cosplaying a character from a steampunk anime should not be problematic in any way.

Kelley
06-13-2010, 08:39 AM
Then why ignore that Steampunk has featured in several notable anime series and films by several major animation studios. You can't ignore a point one second and then use it the next.

By your logic now Steampunk has just as much right to be at an anime event as lolita.

Completely agree.

I mean, what, was I really the only person who played Final Fantasy IX ? That game was hella Steampunk, before Steampunk was all that popular. Those airships were pretty sweet.

Not to mention things like Kuroshitsuji and Steamboy (*COUGH* *COUGH* *HACK*).

Someone doing a Ciel Phantomhive cosplay could go to a "Steampunk" convention and probably receive a lot of compliments - and I don't think people would be nasty about it just because it was "from an anime" (or manga).




Also, try looking up "Steampanku", "Ricepunk" (mildly-offensive sounding, but I didn't name it), or "Victoriental".

http://steampunk.seesaa.net/


Also, Japan was very much influenced by Western dress during the Meiji period - see here : http://inthewritemind.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/400px-1887-japanese-women-western-bustled-fashions.jpg . I think that a Victorian dress in Japanese silks, as pictured, could be very beautiful and interesting.

Lithium Flower
06-13-2010, 10:18 AM
I wrote out a pretty long reply, but I think there's only one thing I can really say about this kind of discussion.

Sometimes, people really just need to get over themselves.

Sakurairis
06-13-2010, 10:30 AM
I wrote out a pretty long reply, but I think there's only one thing I can really say about this kind of discussion.

Sometimes, people really just need to get over themselves.

seconded. With all my heart. I tried to respond but it ended up too long. I think you summarized it though.

ashelia89
06-13-2010, 10:37 AM
this thread should be closed under the grounds of it not being useful...at all...the OP pretty much left out from this thread and there's no point in discussing something that folks aren't going to change their minds about...just my opinion though.

Nightwitch-Kat
06-13-2010, 10:41 AM
I love seeing EVERYTHING at cons! At Anime North we have whole Steampunk fashion shows and a security gaurd who dresses as a Klingon! As for Twilight at cons, I probably wouldn't notice it (its only normal clothes) and it really isn't much different then seeing Harry Potter at anime cons (though Harry Potter does have games out)

Variety is the spice of life!

demifiend
06-13-2010, 12:53 PM
Edited to nothingness to prevent drama.

UsakoLuna
06-14-2010, 02:16 AM
I adore steampunk-y things, so my opinion maybe a little slanted but I say go for it. I find it a little annoying when people try and dictate what should and should not be worn at conventions. If someone wants to run around an anime convention dressed as a shoe why shouldn't they? Everyone is just there to have fun, and there tends to be a lot of fan cross over between Anime and Sci-fi. I'm a fan of both. Cosplay elitists who make comments because someone costume is a little off or they don't think the person looks enough like the character they are dressed up as annoy me. They take it too seriously.

Crusader_8
06-14-2010, 11:45 AM
sheesh there's 10 pages of this?

I have a message for anyone who feels anime cons should only have anime cosplay. Do you honestly feel that strongly about it? Do you hate variety and diversity THAT much? More importantly, I'm surprised there are people expressing such negative opinions who really yearn to tell complete strangers what they're allowed to wear at a convention they don't make the rules for.

Do you realize regardless of an attendee's cosplay one can assume they're there to enjoy... gasp... anime? You can't really bar anime fans from anime conventions based on their costume theme. Do you somehow feel cheated out of seeing yet another Bleach or APH cosplay for each attendee you see in a non-anime cosplay? I have several dozen more questions where that came from.

For the OP - try not to put all steampunk cosplayers under the same hate-blanket just because a few were rude to you. Maybe they were like that because you were sharing various unwanted opinions.

Luther
06-14-2010, 12:37 PM
If anime conventions were only about anime, I wouldn't want to go! I don't really like anime that much, I'm more into video games. I've never cosplayed an anime character, and I spend my con time in the game room instead of an anime panel or anime viewing. And I know I'm not the only one!

Anime conventions aren't just about anime, they attract various fandoms that intersect in many ways. Being a purist about what's strictly anime would make anime conventions really boring!

supergeekgirl
06-14-2010, 12:55 PM
This discussion comes around once a month about SOMETHING, be it Star Wars costumes, steampunk, lolita, whatever. Basically, this is an old thread that's been done and done and done and done and done under hundreds of different guises.

Can't this argument please just die? If you want to be the cosplay fashion police, pay for my cosplay supplies and the money for me to get into the convention. Otherwise, just shut up. Anime cons have (thank GOD!) become more like general fandom cons geared toward a bit younger crowd over the past few years. Don't we want to grow the cons and the subculture rather than losing people as they start to make non-anime costumes?

Kunoichi Neko
07-13-2010, 09:20 PM
I don't go to a rock concert expecting to see country music, why, by god, should I go to an anime convention expectin sci-fi?

Again, I'm all for live and let live. But it's something I'll eyetwitch about and then go on my happy way.

I just wanted to see if I was the only darned person that thought this way.

Rock concerts and anime conventions are very different perhaps this wasn't a good metaphor.

JiseiHakushaku
07-15-2010, 05:08 PM
I deal with Steampunks looking down on me quite often, as thought cyber is beneath them. Of course they don't know that I'm also a neovictorian-sporting fashion person. I was called, quite a few times, nasty names.

Sounds like what you're dealing with are a couple of snobs in Steampunk or generally rude people as opposed to the entire Steampunkdom (?) in itself. It's a stereotype. Not all Steampunk folks will be dramafestering fiends.

Rude people are rude people no matter what they're wearing. :<

As for letting it into cons, I guess I'm biased because I love Steampunk, but shouldn't it have just as much place as Cybergoth, Rave, Loli, etc. Sure it's not really "Asian", but isn't there a Steampunk anime? Therefore, Steampunk probably does have as much place..?

Kaoshima
07-19-2010, 10:49 PM
You're treating anime as if it's a genre. It's not. Anime is a medium. A medium divided into several genres. Genres like Sci-fi, Fantasy, Horror, Cyberpunk, Steampunk, Giant Robot, Hentai, etc.

So that considered, I think looking down on Sci-fi, Fantasy, or Steampunk at an anime con is rather foolish.

Don't forget, The same thing happened before there were anime cons. People would cosplay anime characters at Sci-Fi cons, and there was the same range of reactions. Some people hated it, some people loved it, some people didn't care.

Ledi
07-23-2010, 01:10 AM
Whether it does or does not belong at an anime convention is one thing, but I can say that, from a complete working standpoint, Steampunk companies who make/sell armor and props can usually only make money when they go to ALOT of cons. Now look at how many anime cons there are compared to sci-fi cons. The numbers are drastically different. In order to make revenue, Steampunk companies must attend anime conventions. But that's purely from an economical standpoint.

paper cosplay
07-24-2010, 08:25 AM
agree with ledi my steampunk mystery group started off at scifi cons but keeps getting invited to run our mystery game at anime conventions. we have our own self created world nothing to do with any anime but several conventions wanted us to run the game.

KradsLover
08-16-2010, 11:41 PM
I like steampunk. I think it's interesting to see some panels about it at conventions and maybe even see some vendors selling stuff of the variety. It is a popular 'theme' and I myself am fond of older eras (such as the '20s, victorian age, ect).

What I do not like is when you go to an anime convention, and there is more steampunk than anime. I will take Anime Festival Wichta 6 for example:

While the convention was good, though a little crowded, there was way too much Steampunk. I went into the vendors room and all I saw was Steampunk vendors and some stuff for the rennisance (spell?) festival. Then on Sunday, ALL the panels were for Steampunk it seemed. It was very boring because of that, because I did not want to attend them. I understand that there was a Steampunk convention coming up soon (it was advertised in the main rooms) but it didn't need to take over an existing convention.

Some people thought that it was neat, having all that Steampunk stuff there. I thought it was just overkill.

Now, a good amount of Steampunk merchandise spread out in the vendors' room is fine. A bunch of panels spread through out the weekend is just dandy. It doesn't need to be CLUMPED all at once.

And there is my opinion on this. I think it can be in anime conventions, but it doesn't need to take over the anime conventions. Because, after all, anime conventions are for ANIME, Japanease culture, and Japanease sub-culture. Steampunk isn't really any of those to me.

astrya02
09-12-2010, 02:48 PM
I personally love Steampunk. I don't go to anime conventions for the Anime because I'm more of a video game fan, and a lot of people are the same. I appreciate all types of subcultures and love seeing them, and Steampunk is no different. In fact, when I saw there was a panel for Steampunk at a con I recently went to, I was ecstatic to see that it wasn't just about Japanese stuff.

I agree, this stuff shouldn't have to be validated. People go around in the skimpiest outfits but everyone (for some reason) is okay with them, so why not?

Kaijugal
09-12-2010, 09:56 PM
Discuss your feelings on steampunks at cons. I don't want a general steampunk discussion.

Starters: Do they fit in anime cons? Why or why not? Shouldn't they be more at sci-fi cons?

Furthermore, to those that say no to the first question, do you also dislike scifi cosplay at anime cons and vice versa?



I like all forms of costuming at Anime Conventions. Any genre, media recreation or original design, fashion related, anything.


---


And steampunk most definately fits with anime conventions.

Anybody who does not think the steampunk asthetic fits has obviously missed the design sensibilies in Anime shows such as Howl's Moving Castle, War of Worlds, Castle in the Sky, Robot Carnival, Steamboy, and so on.

~Kaijugal

sokenfused
09-13-2010, 11:40 AM
I absolutely think Steampunk cosplays/vendors/etc fit in at anime conventions.

Personally, one of the things I look forward to most about going to conventions is getting to see the different cosplays. Some of the best I have seen have been Steampunk-related. It is a genre that provides the cosplayer with such a wealth of opportunity to create new/unique things without the restriction of having to conform to a certain "character".

Can't tell you how many times I've cosplayed an anime character, done a very accurate portrayal, yet still had a random passer-by say something along the lines of "Oh, *insert character name* wouldn't do that or say that oe wear that" It becomes quite frustrating after about the nth time.

Yay cosplay. Yay Steampunk!

grotesk_faery
10-15-2010, 11:51 AM
Though Steampunk isn't inherently Japanese (though I have seen it in some anime), I feel that it does hold a place at anime conventions simply because so many congoers are also interested in Steampunk fashion. There are many other things at cons that aren't really anime related (some video games, raves, etc) that are widely accepted simply because they are included in the interests of congoers. I feel that since cons tend to be a place where people who are "different" tend to gather, that we should accept subcultures like Steampunk into the setting. Also, anime conventions are much easier to come by than Steampunk gatherings. Really, it's all about interest and acceptance. If you don't like it, don't do it, but don't try to restrict the liberties of these people. You have to remember that you may have been/could be in that position, too as a cosplayer/congoer in another setting.

sephygoth
10-28-2010, 01:09 PM
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Volnixshin
11-09-2010, 02:56 PM
anime con = convention for people who like anime/have watched/read it at some point

Cosplaying at an anime con is not dictated by the cons theme, but by what you want to cosplay

Purified Ace
11-14-2010, 07:40 PM
Basically, if someone is getting all whiney about other people's costumes and calling people names and just being all around rude to people about what genre they're costuming...
they are at the con for wrong reasons.

What needs to be realized is that there is a difference in critique and bashing. Some people just need to be beaten until they understand it.

Ergo, the real title of this thread, as I feel it, should be:
"Jerks? At MY Anime Con?"

MissJava
12-07-2010, 04:04 PM
What I don't understand is that we're a pretty small subculture filled with a lot of similar people; most of society doesn't quite understand our interest in dressing up in costumes and spending tons and tons of money on what they see as a waste of time and effort. Some people have their own friends and family discriminate them for these choices and for something that's supposed to be fun, people can get hurt. So why are we trying to break down our small subculture even more for others being a little bit different?? Isn't this what we've all experienced and basically loathed??

These aren't "Si-Fiers" or "furries" or "steampunkers", we're just people that basically want to escape from the norm for a few days and just relax and basically be ourselves without having to worry about being discriminated any further.

I'm not going to lie, I was reading the first post and it actually made me self conscious about my steampunk outfit I was making. To think that there's going to be someone there who's not going to like me just because of what I'm wearing, and out of all the places, at a nerd convention?? That's the LAST place we need this to happen.

It's just another really good way to make someone feel like they don't belong, and I definitely don't condone that and I don't think anyone in our community should, either.

[ this is a very broad statement, so take it for what it's worth and don't read too far into it, please. ]

CyberxDae
12-09-2010, 10:12 AM
Wahh wahhh wahhh. Didnt your mother teach you not to exclude people? And hey- Let these idiots parade around wearing shit they can't even reference. I would much rather keep Cyber on the DL. Sell outs kill everything. |= Trufax.

Morluna
01-10-2011, 04:17 PM
I think it's insane for people to decide what is and isn't okay for other people to do at a place where your wearing purple spandex and rainbow wigs.

No one should have to validate themselves at a Convention.

^^^^ THIS. ^^^^

Here is my position on this issue. Personally I find this entire "steampunk has no place at anime cons" argument to be rather amusing. As a steampunk costumer who goes to many anime conventions every year, I've encountered it before. This is why it's funny to me:

I would argue that a large number of steampunk costumers are actually older anime fans (aged 25 - 40+ range) who have been going to anime conventions for years, in some cases... decades. In many cases, these are the people who founded and sponsored the early fledgling years of the very conventions that you now have the benefit of attending and enjoying year after year. So... for you to propose that they have no place at these events is somewhat hilarious to me.

Also, the idea that steampunks are going to hate on you for wearing anime cosplay at an anime con seems unlikely. Maybe you've just had the misfortune of meeting some less than friendly steampunk costumers... But my thought is... we're all nerds. Most of us are not just one type of nerd. I'm not JUST a steampunk costumer. I'm a comic book, anime, film, sci-fi, and fantasy fan too. *shrug* Why can't we all just get along? :sunny:

Alliekitten
03-16-2011, 11:37 PM
If you try and gut the group (be purist) then the group dwindles and falls apart.

When there is a group of people into something that isn't a majority (in fact, very niche)
and you try and gut it because you don't want steampunkers, goths, etc showing up (and then technically, video game persons, or manga characters because it is an anime con) then you kill the scene and the convention.

To me, the scene is about people in that country (usa, canada, europe, japan, etc) expressing their interest and creating a big gathering with people of that interests. Don't htink of it as an 'anime only club', think of it as an 'anyone interested in anime club' which means all you need is to be interested in anime to show up.
If someone shows up dressed in fantasy clothes, or goth clothes (which, btw, is a fashion style some people wear 24/7 so getting mad at them is silly) then be happy that they showed up because they obviously are interested in anime and are keeping the scene alive.

daylight
03-17-2011, 12:32 AM
if they worked hard on a costume they're fine by me

doesn't matter much what they are dressed as. as long as they are enjoying themselves whats the harm?

besides, its a really cool fashion and always entertaining and interesting to see

pltshp
03-17-2011, 08:14 AM
I don't like steampunk. It just doesn't suit my aesthetic tastes. However, I have no issue with people wearing it at anime conventions - why not? Should they not be allowed to wear whatever they want? If I went in normal clothes, say a video game t-shirt and jeans, I don't think anybody should judge me for that. It's the same thing for steampunk, as I know some people actually wear it in their daily lives, so whatever.

Kesra
03-17-2011, 11:59 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Lolita fashion borrow from an Victorian Aesthetic? The very same aesthetic a lot of Steam Punk is based on.

In all honesty, the only way you can really do anything about your irritation about other things being at an anime convention is to simply not go. If you don't like it, you're the one with the problem so do us all a favor and solve it.

Or go to a con that focuses it's programming and masquerade purely on anime.

Volnixshin
03-18-2011, 01:07 AM
The OP and her cohorts seem to have left this thread long ago.


I think the rest of us are basically on the same page at this point.

Sutie
03-18-2011, 03:29 AM
Here's the difference between anime conventions and sci-fi, treckie, star wars, comic, etc. conventions: It's extremely versatile and accepting.

"If you try and gut the group (be purist) then the group dwindles and falls apart."

This is why anime conventions continue to grow and have a future. Because EVERYONE can enjoy it. You see all kinds of genres of costumes at anime conventions unlike a lot of other similar conventions.

Volnixshin
03-18-2011, 04:29 PM
I find smaller cons and non anime cons just as grandly accepting

ElleZee
03-20-2011, 03:47 PM
There actually was an Anime Film in 2004 where the theme was Steampunk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamboy

So Steampunk is technically in Anime lol

I am sure you all saw at least a few episodes of Last Exile. That was completely steampunk and sci/fi all rolled into one.

ToroSonyCat
03-20-2011, 05:13 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Lolita fashion borrow from an Victorian Aesthetic? The very same aesthetic a lot of Steam Punk is based on.


They may be inspired by the same era but that doesn't make them the same thing. Just saying.

Axelai
03-21-2011, 06:27 PM
They may be inspired by the same era but that doesn't make them the same thing. Just saying.

No one said they were.

He was pointing out that if we allow Lolita, something inherently Western, why not allow Steampunk?

Volnixshin
03-21-2011, 09:16 PM
Or comic book characters?

Nephrae
03-22-2011, 04:11 PM
Or movie or book characters like Harry Potter, for that matter.

Seiten Taisei
03-23-2011, 01:33 AM
I enjoyed reading most of what people said here, so I will though in what I think.

Do I think Steampunk fits in with the Anime based Conventions?

The answer is yes. Really, why not? Not only are there many Anime with 'Steam' like qualities but they also many with the western influence such as history, fashion, and ideas. It's almost like saying no Lolita at a con. The only difference? Lolita has more rules then Steam, where steam is more free range and sci-fi like. Now a days, there are more sci-fi anime, so it would fall into that category.
Personally I think its better to look more grown up then the baby doll loli look. Less yet more effort then a repetitive maid look.

ModernPrincess
03-24-2011, 02:42 AM
I think the majority of fans at AnimeCons do not care what you are dressed from. Be it Anime/Manga, videogames, steampunk, Disney, whatever, as long as the outfit is interesting most people will welcome it into their convention. As long as everyone is having fun, who cares?

UsakoLuna
03-24-2011, 08:13 AM
I think the majority of fans at AnimeCons do not care what you are dressed from. Be it Anime/Manga, videogames, steampunk, Disney, whatever, as long as the outfit is interesting most people will welcome it into their convention. As long as everyone is having fun, who cares?

this

fallenone121
03-27-2011, 11:20 PM
I dont personally see a problem with Steampunk nor anything else at a convention.

I have seen people come as snipers wearing gear for hunting.

I have seen people wear a cardboard box to make fun of Robotech which is 'scifi' despite its anime nature.

I have seen people show up with a tshirt that said 'Narutard' written in sharpie.

I think the only limit in conventions is your imagination.

Yes, there are people in steampunk who may look down at others.

But you will find asshats everywhere.

Im sure some of you would say meme such as Pedobear doesnt belong in con either.

The trick is to realize that we are all there for the same reason - to have fun - no person really has the right to judge anyone else.

I personally want to do a steampunk outfit but I also want to do more anime ones. It is all a matter of preference but I think that refusing a panel for one scifi group in favor of another is silly.

Clem O'Grady
03-28-2011, 02:02 PM
Most of what I wish to say has been said...but I'll venture into redundancy land here.

Anime cons are, from my perspective, about Japanese culture, and media of Japanese (and sometimes general Asian) origin. IE, things unique to or that originated in Japan. This is, of course, my opinion. But I think that at least a few other people share that opinion.

As to whether or not steampunk fits...
I believe that unless its in an anime/manga/video game, then no. Someone cosplaying Steamboy, fine. Wearing your original steam punk character to a convention, not so much. Cosplaying steampunked anime characters falls somewhere in the middle for me, like gender bending characters. If there were to be a panel on steampunk anime or manga, thats fine, because its relevant. But a general one on steam fashion or gadgetry, with no relevance to the subject matter of the gathering, just seems out of place.

As to whether or not I mind it.
No, I don't really mind it. It kind of reminds me of those people who like to go to Ren. Faires dressed like Dr. Who or Stargate characters. Its fun for them, and if you get the joke, its silly. If you don't, its still silly. Part of thinks that its a bit rude, since a lot of people putting together events like cons, as well as the costumed attendees, are working really hard toward an atmosphere that celebrates Japanese culture, but that part is small and easily silenced with pocky.
Unless its canceling out better, relevant programming, in which case I do mind a bit.

In general, I am always curious why people choose to attend conventions with a limited focus and try to jam their particular likes into it instead of attending a con with a broader focus, like attending Dragon Con over AWA. I hear a lot of 'well Japanese people enjoy a, b, or c too!' and I find this to be a bit of an invalid argument. I'm sure the people of Japan enjoy all manner of things, and a lot of them are not represented in anime cons. Anime cons celebrate the things in Japan that are unique to the country and its media, not the like of ever citizen.

But again, this is my two cents on the matter.

mylilpazuzu
04-05-2011, 10:54 PM
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/steamboy.jpg
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRRyBgbuU0FfghptsY1TwvcwBRgBREyZ vA5BSzr-cwQ80KC8YvU&t=1

Oh hi, steampunk anime.

Then again, I don't really like anime cosplay. I prefer to cosplay from video games (and no, not all of them are asian).

Kelley
04-06-2011, 12:24 AM
Yyeah - plenty of "Steampunk" is in anime / manga already. Video games ? Final Fantasy IX is very "steampunk" or at least "clockpunk", and I'm sure there are more.


And some people actually just dress "steampunk" (to various degrees) all the time - like other people dress goth all the time. They would just be dressed "normally", like many people do at a con, anyway.


I think a little cross-pollination is good for everyone - exposing people to new ideas and possible interests, saying, "I love this so much and I think maybe you would, too". As long as they're not forcing it on anyone or totally overwhelming an event, I see no problem.

O, and Ren Fests, lulz - we had plenty of people dressed up as various anime / manga characters ! XD

Nephrae
04-06-2011, 01:22 PM
Overall, I agree with pretty much everyone who's posted. A little diversity is good. And just because someone isn't dressed in an anime costume, doesn't mean they're not a fan of it themself. Maybe they just wanted to wear something different.

Allie1985
04-10-2011, 03:20 AM
I really didn't read through this whole thread. But where I am, we get ONE convention (SUPANOVA) and its a bunch of everything. I dressed steam punk to the one at the begining of April, but plan to go as Eternal Sailor Moon at the next one. I was surprised that there were actually quite a few steam punkers out an about. If it is specifically an ANIME con, then maybe not, although, there are probably some anime out there that have steam punk like characters......

shadowbeam
04-10-2011, 07:33 PM
Overall, I agree with pretty much everyone who's posted. A little diversity is good. And just because someone isn't dressed in an anime costume, doesn't mean they're not a fan of it themself. Maybe they just wanted to wear something different.

Pretty much this for me. I wear steampunk-esq style clothing as part of my regular clothes, so maybe one day I wanna take a day off from wearing a cosplay I've made and I change into what, for me, is regular stuff. So it's not so much I've dressed in steampunk to an anime con, it's more that i'm wearing my regular clothes when taking a break from cosplay. Hope that makes sense?

Nephrae
04-10-2011, 11:09 PM
Yeah it does. Telling someone they can't wear something different like steampunk at an anime con is just like telling them they're not allowed to wear anything non-related period, which would include those who wear their normal street clothes and don't cosplay at all.

Elycium
04-11-2011, 05:33 AM
In general, I am always curious why people choose to attend conventions with a limited focus and try to jam their particular likes into it instead of attending a con with a broader focus, like attending Dragon Con over AWA.

Because those cons might not be appropriate for the person's age, and also cost pretty much an arm and a leg. Just my 2 cents on that part. XD;

StarlightJumper
04-20-2011, 04:32 PM
I don't see the problem with steampunk in an anime convention. I know a lot of what I'm about to say is redundant, but still:

-For those who say anime has no steampunk, many people have already listed Steamboy. There are other anime out as well for steampunk, including Last Exile.
-For those who say that it is primarily European or Victorian in nature, and thus doesn't belong, a lot of other anime draws from European trends. Most notably and popularly of late is Kuroshitsuji (Victorian era). However, FMA also draws from Europe (alchemy). A lot of the fancy clothes I'm sure can trace origins back to Europe as well. If nothing else, quite a bit of anime takes place outside of Japan, so if steampunk is allowed to be shunned for it's European-ness, so should all that anime

Also, I'm confused as to some of the other comments listed in here. I've noticed a lot of people complain that anything non-Japanese should be allowed at a convention for anime. What I wonder is why video games are acceptable. If it's a reasonable question to ask why you should see steampunk at an anime convention, I do not believe it to be a far stretch to ask why I should be forced to see video game characters at an anime convention. Hello, anime?


I suppose my biggest issue with cosplay is the quality of cosplay. I'm sick of L cosplay, because no thought is given in the costume. Akatsuki members can also be annoying, because a lot of it is just throw-on-a-coat. I can admit that I can be a little stuck up when it comes to quality, but I'd rather see good cosplay than s***y "appropriate" cosplay.

And in response to the poster who hates steampunk because one group was getting a lot more attention than they were: sometimes that happens. I've entered two cosplay contests where my group has lost to what we perceived as less-than-impressive cosplay. One year we entered as a group of Batman villains with a Batman (9 villains, mind you). We lost to a Robin Hood cosplay that looked like they killed a few animals and tossed them on their heads. Just last weekend, we entered another contest, this time as steampunk. We lost to a group of "Big Bang Theory" cosplayers from the Halloween episode. Despite the fact that their costumes looked like s**t (from what I understand, that's actually the point). Despite all our time and effort, we lost to lousy cosplay. I understand being bitter about it, but unfortunately, sometimes it happens.

And to the person who asked why cosplayers try to jam their particular interests into a limited-focus convention: They're not. Some people want to go to the anime convention to explore the anime. They just want to cosplay as something else. Some of us can't afford to go to a "more appropriate" convention, some of us can't get out to one because of distance, and some of us bought one costume and just can't afford to buy a "more appropriate" one. And sometimes, the conventions that we can get to are so lame that it's not worth it.

Last response goes to the poster(s) who said that cosplayers can mix steampunk and anime cosplay. I don't like this idea at all. Part of it could be attributed to the fact that I can be a bit of a purist. I like my cosplay to be good, and pretty accurate. That being said, I don't mind going outside the original, if that was the intention. However, much of "steampunk" cosplay tends to be simply throwing on goggles. I feel that's a slap in the face to the genre. It's like the people who throw on a ninja headband and say they're cosplaying from Naruto. That's why I'm cautious about people mixing steampunk with anime.

Sorry for the wall of text. I just do not believe it is fair or in the spirit of cosplay to say where a person can cosplay as what. If somebody came to me in a convention and told me I was not dressed appropriately, I would point them to all the other cosplayers around who are not appropriate either: Avatar (American animation), Stormtroopers, memes (unless the character is an anime character), video game characters, generic cosplayers and "cosplayers", people dressed in skimpy cosplay (darkstalkers, most notably, although I'm sure there are others), etc. And then I'd walk away.

liivingdeadgirl
04-21-2011, 03:01 PM
Do I think it's a little odd? Yes. But it's also odd to see anime costumes at a sci-fi or multi-media convention. Do I care? Not even a little. Wear whatever the f*** you want to wear. XD

alpha_helix
04-21-2011, 06:30 PM
Wow, this is thread that just won't die.

Anyway, this may have been said before. I may have even been the one to say it. If that's the case, then it bears repeating. It's not YOUR anime con; it's everyone's. So long as people aren't breaking any rules or otherwise being a nuisance, what's the point in caring so much what other people do?

No matter how you look at it, a con is a place for people to have fun, and that's going to be different for everyone. Some people want to meet voice actors, some want to blow all their money in the dealer's hall, some want to see any kind of awesome costume, some people are really only interested in seeing cosplayers of their favorite characters, some people just want to go out in any awesome costume, some people carefully select a character to cosplay, and some people run on as little sleep as possible and spend all of their waking hours in gaming tournaments. These are all perfectly valid ways to enjoy a con, and as long as everyone is following the rules no one is in any place to complain. Unless any of the above stop showering. You can complain about that all you like :)

Badass_Badger
04-23-2011, 11:13 AM
honestly i preferred it when steampunk was more gadget focused, not fashion focused. I do love the surge in entertaining steampunk literature though.

Akira-hime
04-25-2011, 12:51 AM
Discuss your feelings on steampunks at cons. I don't want a general steampunk discussion.

Starters: Do they fit in anime cons? Why or why not? Shouldn't they be more at sci-fi cons?

Furthermore, to those that say no to the first question, do you also dislike scifi cosplay at anime cons and vice versa?

Me, I don't think Steampunk really fits at anime cons. Anime cons have a general eastern/asian focus and I've yet to hear of any Asian steampunk goers.


I'll answer your questions briefly:

The first two: Have you ever watched SteamBoy, Laputa, How'ls moving Castle, galaxy Railways, Fullmetal Alchemist, Robot Carnival? Nope? Go watch them. ^^ Also, read the manga Steampunk while you're at it. ^^ That'll more or less answer both questions. ^^

The next one: I think that it can be answered if you have watched Astroboy, Metropolis, Clover (cyberpunk fits under the Sci-Fi category), Akira, Ghost in the Shell, BAttle Angel Alita, Final Fantasy, and many many others.

Asian cosplayers don't put the norm, that's as if to say that if an Asian hasn't cosplayed a certain character then nobody else can, which is ridiculous to say the least. Steampunk and Sci-Fi overall is very much present in anime and manga, just because it's not as mainstream or as in your face as the rest of the themes are it doesn't mean it's not there. An anime con has an anime con air to it, I dunno where you got the feeling of eastern/asian. A con is a con is a con and it's a place where people go to have fun and dress in things that normally they wouldn't be able. Unless it's a themed con and they won't let you get in if you're not dressed as the theme, then by all means the statement that Sci-Fi and specifically Steampunk is out of place is just ridiculous. The anime and manga are littered with it ALL OVER THE PLACE!

If YOU don't like Steampunk, that's fine! Nobody likes everything their neighbours do, but that doesn't mean it's wrong/out of place/doesn't belong.
But the overall truth is that there IS a place for Sci-Fi and Steampunk in anime cons, for the sole existance of Steamboy... and... dun-dun-dun!! Final Fantasy.


Sorry if I sound rude, it's not my intention, it's just that it's so ridiculous that I couldn't help it... A little five minute research would've cleared all the OP's questions. ^^


EDIT:
Also, see in here please. ^^ http://steampunk.seesaa.net/

Aderyn
04-27-2011, 09:54 AM
honestly i preferred it when steampunk was more gadget focused, not fashion focused. I do love the surge in entertaining steampunk literature though.


I love the fashion aspect of steampunk because people can get creative with this stuff. StarlightJumper and I are in the same cosplay group and we recently got done done with our own steampunk photoshoot. Our focus in steampunk is to take more historical clothing and jazz it up with fantastical face paint. It's something our group has never seen and we like our results.

Plus, I'm a big fan of Western Victorian clothing, so this is how my character is based off of. I do, in the future, want to create a better outfit/alternate for her, which she will be dressed in pure Western Victorian fashion.

I also think that the setting is important along with fashion and gadgets. It's hard to get some nice industrial photos in a big city but you take a little train town out in the middle of nowhere and get some awesome shots with the trains, you get some pretty awesome shots. I also love Victorian houses and buildings. They're just as important to the genre as anything else.

Ororo Monroe
04-27-2011, 10:19 AM
If you want something messed up give it to a committee...a group of people who all have different agendas. It seems to me the real problem is that this particular con allowed one aspect of anime and not another. To add insult to injury they couldn't come up with a better excuse then it wasn't anime enough.

Akira-hime
04-27-2011, 10:57 PM
If you want something messed up give it to a committee...a group of people who all have different agendas. It seems to me the real problem is that this particular con allowed one aspect of anime and not another. To add insult to injury they couldn't come up with a better excuse then it wasn't anime enough.

To me it was just a post by a very hurt person who didn't have their way and wanted to stir up drama. XD You are right, it was added insult to injury, but overall it was stupid and frankly could've been handled in a better way: instead of venting in a subforum that is STEAMPUNK oriented, why not go vent to the person who took the wrong decision? It's more productive than trying to stir up drama. ^.~

DandyPianist
05-07-2011, 10:47 AM
well, im just a beginner in the "Steampunk" style, but ive never thought of putting anyone down heck if anything after watching a few vid's ide be jumping for joy happy u ppl who go to these things are cool my favorite type idc if ur cosplay,normal,dandy,cyberpunk,lolita, or whatever i think all the ppl are really cool and seems fun. anyways the turf war thing i guess i would want to hang out with other steampunks but heck ide like to hang out with anyone lol i dont know anyone else thats going and im gonna be alone xP idk x3 i really need to find a group to hang out with lol im gonna go to the Ohayocon 2012 anyone wanna meet and hang out x3 im fine with that its boring alone x3

aisarete
06-28-2011, 02:52 AM
It's kinda like Rule 34. If it exists, then there must exist anime of it. Just off the top of my head, Full Metal Alchemist, Steam Detectives, Miyazaki's Howl's Moving Castle and Castle in the Sky, the manga Girl Genius and Steamboy are all considered steampunk. There are many, many more, but I haven't seen everything ever. And steampunk, like all fashions, fads, trends and fandoms, is constantly being redefined. There's probably a million and one cyberpunk anime, too. Neither is more fitted to being at a convention than anything else.

I think it's highly inappropriate to criticize what people choose to wear to conventions. When they are dressed inappropriately for the weather, it may be foolish, and lewd costuming always gets a sneer from parents escorting younger congoers, but it also turns many a lustful eye, and I must say I respect the cosplayer willing to wear their cosplay despite the weather. It's all a matter of opinion, and if you don't have anything good to say, then don't say anything at all.

The only exception is dangerous cosplay. I think carrying around real guns or swords or whatever it may be is a bad idea, and so is cosplay with great big sticky-outy things that could hurt passers-by.

TL;DR - PEOPLE B**** AND MOAN ABOUT STEAM AND CYBER AND WHAT NOT, BUT NO ONCE COMPLAINS ABOUT YAOI!JESUS? SRSLY?

<3 Yaoi!Jesus, btw.

TheFontBandit
06-29-2011, 04:17 PM
Wow... this has been an interesting read!


I would argue that a large number of steampunk costumers are actually older anime fans (aged 25 - 40+ range) who have been going to anime conventions for years, in some cases... decades. In many cases, these are the people who founded and sponsored the early fledgling years of the very conventions that you now have the benefit of attending and enjoying year after year. So... for you to propose that they have no place at these events is somewhat hilarious to me.

But my thought is... we're all nerds. Most of us are not just one type of nerd. I'm not JUST a steampunk costumer. I'm a comic book, anime, film, sci-fi, and fantasy fan too. *shrug* Why can't we all just get along? :sunny:

I would even elaborate on this point. Some of us are aging anime fans who no longer feel it's quite fitting to dress in a senshi fuku or schoolgirl uniform, and steampunk provides a costuming opportunity that feels more "age-appropriate". I've seen plenty of cosplayers dressed as differently-aged characters (and I say power to them!), but personally I would feel uncomfortable trying to dress up as a sixteen-year-old character these days. And as an old-school super-girly shoujo fan, many of the characters in the anime/manga/video games I enjoy are teenagers.

I think anime conventions should be a place where people who like anime can congregate, period. What those people choose to wear while they are there to enjoy the anime should be irrelevant; be it steampunk, cybergoth, lolita, jeans and a t-shirt, or a Rei Ayanami plugsuit.

Within ANY hobby or fandom, there will be some snobbery and exclusion... I've discovered it's just plain unavoidable. There are so many people who have said, "Well, steampunk is okay, but badly-done/cheap costumes are just unacceptable." Which is just a different form of cosplay snobbery. Not everyone has the budget or skill level for an expensive costume. My early cosplays were pretty shoddy (And I've been guilty of the last-minute, $20 costume a handful of times as well). While I have my own personal pickiness (I'm a fabric-choice nitpicker when I make something), I would never ostracize or be rude to someone wearing a cheaply-made satin costume. It's not something I would make, but it is their costume, after all.

All the divisiveness in the hobby is a pity, really... can't we all just nerd out together?

Ororo Monroe
06-29-2011, 09:32 PM
It's kinda like Rule 34. If it exists, then there must exist anime of it. Just off the top of my head, Full Metal Alchemist, Steam Detectives, Miyazaki's Howl's Moving Castle and Castle in the Sky, the manga Girl Genius and Steamboy are all considered steampunk.

Girl Genius is Streampunk or rather as they put it Gaslight. But it is not Manga as Phil and Kaja Folio are American. It's a webcomic and comicbook.

Ironhill
06-29-2011, 10:03 PM
Ororo: That was my thought about Girl Genius as well. It's not anime/manga but it is very good.

Ironhill
06-29-2011, 10:08 PM
FontBandit: Being 45, overweight and bald, there aren't many cosplays I can do, which is one of the reasons I do Steampunk. Usually if I do a cosplay, I pick someone who I can resemble and go with it. The last 2 times I did steampunk I was asked if I was Teddy Roosevelt, which is how I got my next cosplay idea.

MythrilDragon
06-29-2011, 10:21 PM
People at cons/ren faires, etc. often don't cosplay within the specified theme, but it's still fine in my opinion. In fact, I'm planning to put together a PotC cosplay for a medieval festival later this year. Anachronistic? Yeah, but it still manages to work somehow. Especially when many of the vendors are selling things that aren't medieval-related.

ThePirateNinjah
07-09-2011, 02:46 PM
Eh, Anime cons have become a melting pot and my term of anime doesn't not mean japanese in origin. I've seen disney princesses, memes, superheros, etc and that certainly is not in anime. So steampunk, as long as it is properly done (not random gears and shiz please), is always welcome for me.

Zeek Aran
07-22-2011, 10:30 AM
Cons allow people to walk in with jeans and a T-shirt. By that logic, EVERYTHING should be allowed.

On a more specific note, Last Exile and Steamboy, "STEEEEAM"boy, the most obviously steampunk anime thing in existence as of yet, are two steampunk anime. If there is steampunk anime, it should be seen as a legitimate cosplay as much as any other original costume.

Jules Verne might be the inventor, but I saw Steamboy when I was thirteen years old, and I still haven't read any Verne books.

Ororo Monroe
07-23-2011, 10:58 AM
Jules Verne might be the inventor, but I saw Steamboy when I was thirteen years old, and I still haven't read any Verne books.

You poor thing. You don't know what your missing. I also highly recommend the Mark Twain short story that takes on Jules Verne.

pinoycosplay
07-24-2011, 12:25 AM
Since there is a michael jackson manga

http://www.animevice.com/news/brazil-gets-a-michael-jackson-manga/1756/

does that mean it makes perfect sense for an anime convention to host a panel on how best to impersonate michael jackson?

Jader7777
07-24-2011, 07:12 PM
http://www.joblo.com/movie-posters/images/full/steamboy-poster1.jpg

Volnixshin
07-24-2011, 07:20 PM
Ugg, why is this thread still active?? Steamboy has been mentioned like.... 92 times, and the OP is long gone

Jader7777
07-24-2011, 07:52 PM
You can never have enough Steamboy.

Actually the movie wasn't all that great. But I think that the myopic approach of many cosplayers who are like "I only want to see Sailor Moon around me!" really need to step back and see that cosplaying is bigger than just anime.

Heck, people dress up as Tetris blocks and are extremely popular at conventions.

pinoycosplay
07-24-2011, 08:03 PM
i agree, if dressing up like michael jackson at a con, any con, makes a person happy, more power to them and it is especially appropriate at an anime con since there is a manga for him.

StarlightJumper
07-25-2011, 01:46 AM
Since there is a michael jackson manga

http://www.animevice.com/news/brazil-gets-a-michael-jackson-manga/1756/

does that mean it makes perfect sense for an anime convention to host a panel on how best to impersonate michael jackson?

I assume the point of this post is to argue that just because it's in anime, doesn't mean it's acceptable (you sound like you're against the idea). Thus, I pose a counter-argument:
Since there's a few anime's where the characters dress in lolita or in maid outfits (one originated in Japan, the other did not), does that mean it's unacceptable to cosplay as original lolita or generic maid costume?
Actually, I pose this question to anyone who still argues after reading the whole thread that steampunk is not acceptable. Because you're also arguing against lolita. And just about any original character. Just saying.

PetiteAltesse
09-14-2011, 05:34 PM
I've always thought that is was weird that "non-anime related costumes" at an anime convention made people upset or bothered them. When I went to my first anime convention in 2006 there were Star Wars characters all over the place and I loved it. Every single anime convention I go to is not strictly anime and that makes me happy. I'm not as into anime as I used to be, so it's nice to see something other than anime at a convention. I know, I know... why not go to a comic themed convention then? Well, money. That and not every fandom has it's own convention, so the only choice is something close and... sometimes it just to happens to be an anime con. That and anime conventions have adapted to accompany many different types of fandoms. In fact, I often wonder if there are any strictly anime based conventions left. All of the ones I've visited have a little of everything. Besides, cosplaying is costume roleplaying and that goes for any fandom. In the end, we're all a bunch of nerds out to have a fun weekend. Why can't we all just accept that and enjoy ourselves? There are better things to get steamed over.

~Alandra~
09-16-2011, 11:32 AM
These turf wars are getting rather annoying. I just got done attending an anime con last weekend and saw a good number of Steampunk people attending the anime con. A lot of them are amazing! But yet there is always 2 sides to it, Last March I attended a Steampunk convention, and the majority of the people there glared at me, I felt like a serious cast out. (I was dressed up in a Post Apocolyptic WW2 styled dieselpunk costume) Out of the whole convention only 2 people were nice to me. It was like I was destroying "thier" convention. I just wish all in all people would be more accepting, and just cherish the fact we are all into the same thing.. and thats costuming.

pinoycosplay
09-18-2011, 03:06 AM
These turf wars are getting rather annoying. I just got done attending an anime con last weekend and saw a good number of Steampunk people attending the anime con. A lot of them are amazing! But yet there is always 2 sides to it, Last March I attended a Steampunk convention, and the majority of the people there glared at me, I felt like a serious cast out. (I was dressed up in a Post Apocolyptic WW2 styled dieselpunk costume) Out of the whole convention only 2 people were nice to me. It was like I was destroying "thier" convention. I just wish all in all people would be more accepting, and just cherish the fact we are all into the same thing.. and thats costuming.

Thats too bad... You need to upload that costume to your profile, I'd like to see it. Sounds like it beats the "low rent" steampunk outfits (i.e. goggles and gears glued to nerf guns), although I do like some of the higher end steampunk stuff.

LadyAri13
09-18-2011, 02:05 PM
It just makes me sad to think that the one place I have that should b virtually judgement free isnt always so. To each his own, I understand both sides. And Im still excited to b working on a pokesteamy cosplay. I hope only for people to aapreciate the effort and originality Im putting n. The fact that many of us r so dif but hav this love for this thing we do is wat makes con so special. Cut loose and hav fun ^_^* old thread or not lol

RainKat
09-20-2011, 10:21 PM
I'm sure its been over and done in this thread, but..

To be frank, I'd rather see steampunk, cyberpunk, disney characters, lolita, sci-fi characters and any other manner of character/style at a con rather then a single anime character done by 60 people (if not more). Cons are a fun excuse to dress up, so why should a label prevent people from having that fun? It's like telling people halloween is only about candy, and only kids under 12 can participate.

If that were the case, cons would be a bit less exciting, yes?

Of course, people should be able to wear what they want to wear. If 60 (or more!) people love that one character, then all the power to them. I just always found diversity more intriguing. =)

pinoycosplay
09-22-2011, 06:42 AM
To be frank, I'd rather see steampunk, cyberpunk, disney characters, lolita, sci-fi characters and any other manner of character/style at a con

So themes are an inhibitor to your enjoyment? You want to see Disney characters at a Star trek convention and steampunk at Twilight conventions. You would rather see a final fantasy character take the place of a generic storm trooper at a Star Wars convention (because there are already so many troopers there).

Basically you desire a total homogenous convention experience where characters from all tv shows, movies, comic books, and animated shows rub elbows.

Honestly a convention like that could be interesting, but call me old fashioned, i still think focused themed cons have their place as well :-)

LalaFTL
11-05-2011, 03:29 PM
I love the fashion aspect of steampunk because people can get creative with this stuff. StarlightJumper and I are in the same cosplay group and we recently got done done with our own steampunk photoshoot. Our focus in steampunk is to take more historical clothing and jazz it up with fantastical face paint. It's something our group has never seen and we like our results.

Plus, I'm a big fan of Western Victorian clothing, so this is how my character is based off of. I do, in the future, want to create a better outfit/alternate for her, which she will be dressed in pure Western Victorian fashion.

I also think that the setting is important along with fashion and gadgets. It's hard to get some nice industrial photos in a big city but you take a little train town out in the middle of nowhere and get some awesome shots with the trains, you get some pretty awesome shots. I also love Victorian houses and buildings. They're just as important to the genre as anything else.

This. Encourage creativity in costumes. I don't know much about steampunk but I love seeing the creativity in steampunk costumes. Whether doing an OC or an interpretation of another character, no two steampunkers are going to look the same. Try that, other costumes.

There is a group of people considering a steampunk theme for day 2 of Blizzcon next year and I'm super excited to see their interpretations of various Blizzard characters.

No one should be denied the opportunity to dress up. Some of us get horribly few chances.

Neko.Oni
11-05-2011, 05:55 PM
Tl;Dr
I'm of the opinion that a costume should relate to the topic of the convention. If that convention is an entire Genre (such as anime or Comicon) then the costume should be taken from a specific piece of work in the genre.

IF you are cosplaying a character from a steampunk anime (which there are a *few* floating around) then it's fine. But if your just wearing a steampunk costume for the hell of it, you should be asked to change.

This is not about steampunk/anime either, I just think costumes should be on topic. I rage when I'm at a furry con and see non furry costumes (wtf is a The Joker doing at a furry con?!?)

BlondieSundae
11-05-2011, 10:01 PM
Tl;Dr
I'm of the opinion that a costume should relate to the topic of the convention. If that convention is an entire Genre (such as anime or Comicon) then the costume should be taken from a specific piece of work in the genre.

IF you are cosplaying a character from a steampunk anime (which there are a *few* floating around) then it's fine. But if your just wearing a steampunk costume for the hell of it, you should be asked to change.

This is not about steampunk/anime either, I just think costumes should be on topic. I rage when I'm at a furry con and see non furry costumes (wtf is a The Joker doing at a furry con?!?)

As long as you're not entering the masquerade I don't see why a costume has to pertain to the theme.

I see American cartoons, Disney, American Super Heros and Tv and Book characters. Like someone said before, anime cons aren't really solely about anime anymore

I see tons of steampunk dealers in my local anime con.

pinoycosplay
11-06-2011, 12:33 AM
I see American cartoons, Disney, American Super Heros and Tv and Book characters. Like someone said before, anime cons aren't really solely about anime anymore.

And thats why you are seeing a lack of growth for a lot of cons. Whats the point in traveling hundreds of miles just attend a mediocre mish mash of a convention? Fans of certain genres will go far out of their way to attend functions where their genre is present.

I liken it to a great Italian restaurant that is on the other side of town. When your in the mood for great Italian food, no place is better, it is a long drive but worth it. However, would you still be willing to drive across town to go to a restaurant that is a buffet of Italian, mexican and chinese food? Would you really go out of your way for reheated so-so meatballs? Do the greasy tacos really make up for the lack of great Italian food?

Cosplayers who think they have the right to cosplay as anything anywhere anytime remind me of dog owners who think that its perfectly fine for them to bring their German Shepard anywhere they go. Parks, Picnics, outdoor bbq's, public events, concerts, renaissance festival, ect. In effect they think their rights trump whats going on around them.

I understand, there may be no harry potter convention near you. So does that mean that a star trek convention is an acceptable substitute? Go ahead and represent Hogwarts there, just don't be surprised if you attract unwanted attention.

Mangochutney
11-06-2011, 10:20 AM
And thats why you are seeing a lack of growth for a lot of cons.

I really, REALLY don't think so. A lot of the cons I go to are at capacity and looking for larger facilities or growing to fill the facilities they've got. The ones that aren't growing aren't losing new people because they appeal to too broad an audience--in fact, it's exactly the opposite. The ones that aren't growing are stagnating, getting insular and out of touch as fan culture swirls around them. No change, no variety, just the slow march of years with the same people and the same authors and panels and the same kinds of costumes. Slightly fewer people every year. Those conventions are depressing.

Fads and changing fashions are the oxygen a convention needs to stay vital. Change and variety are NOT incompatible with having a core focus. Having fun by mixing up what's expected and what isn't is definitely not what's causing problems for any convention I've ever seen.

SirDapperPants
11-06-2011, 11:21 AM
Well, I'm planning a Steampunk Mario for an anime convention next year. Sure, it's completely unrelated to anime, but I think if anyone is annoyed by it they can look at all the other costumes and ignore me. I don't know a lot of anime, so seeing something besides that will be welcome for me. I don't think cons would be as fun if everyone went as the same genre, even if the con is for celebrating that genre.

Summary- It's one group of people/one person. Just ignore them if you don't like it.

Neko.Oni
11-06-2011, 12:52 PM
Well, I'm planning a Steampunk Mario for an anime convention next year.

I think you'd be better off to wear it at a gaming con, like E3, who knows Nintendo might even give you free swag! (on a side note, when I think about it the tech in Mario kinda *IS* steampunk...)

And despite everything said before, I and likely all of us, would love to see it when it's done! *imagines mario riding a clockwork yoshi*

SirDapperPants
11-06-2011, 01:50 PM
Yea, I need to see it there are any gaming cons closer to where I live. (Texas) And don't get your hopes up for anything awesome; I'm just a noob, so I'm planning on making a flame flower flamethrower and a little mushroom pocket watch right now. I believe the topic I describe the outfit in is still on the Steampunk forum page if you're curious.

On a side note, Mario connects all!

BlondieSundae
11-06-2011, 08:27 PM
And thats why you are seeing a lack of growth for a lot of cons. Whats the point in traveling hundreds of miles just attend a mediocre mish mash of a convention? Fans of certain genres will go far out of their way to attend functions where their genre is present.


I think you got it backwards.... I mean if a con allows more thing it gets more people to come, right? And because of that it causes more people to become more interested in more things and more people to meet over more things.

I think it promotes more growth.

And as for the Harry Potter at a Star trek convention.... if the con is THAT specific, like a Star Wars con or Leaky con then I don't see the point in dressing up as something else. But when something is general like an Anime con I see no point in disallowing types of dress, except in the masquerade.

pinoycosplay
11-06-2011, 11:24 PM
And as for the Harry Potter at a Star trek convention.... if the con is THAT specific, like a Star Wars con or Leaky con then I don't see the point in dressing up as something else. But when something is general like an Anime con I see no point in disallowing types of dress, except in the masquerade.

See you've fallen into the logic trap of saying some things shouldn't be cosplayed at certain places. It is simply your judgement call that determines that anime conventions are "general" while star wars conventions are "specific" If a steampunked "Old Spice Guy" is welcome at an anime con, then why isn't he welcome at a star trek convention? Your position is now difficult to defend.

As other people have said, maybe the "old spice guy" is a big star trek fan but just can't afford a star trek outfit. Why are you saying "intolerance" is fine at a star trek convention?

I've always said people can wear whatever they want, I just don't like the notion that any cosplay style is welcome anytime, anyplace, anywhere as some claim. Example: "Oh there is an Irish festival with people dressed as Irish river dancers and in traditional Irish garments? sounds like the perfect place for my new Miku Hatsune outfit"

pinoycosplay
11-06-2011, 11:33 PM
I think you got it backwards.... I mean if a con allows more thing it gets more people to come, right? And because of that it causes more people to become more interested in more things and more people to meet over more things..

Just to drop some knowledge, there is something called Brand dilution. Brand dilution is the weakening of a brand though its overuse. This frequently happens as a result of ill-judged brand extension.

What do you think wold happen to the Apple name brand if in addition to computers and cell phones, suddenly Apple came out with a line of high quality carpeting? I mean people enjoy carpets right? and the carpet would be high quality. Of course it would be ignorant. Apple would never do anything like that.

Same thing with anime conventions. You go expecting a certain product, but when you see a mish mash of products pieced together to form a con, (i.e. larping, tabletop games, ren fest gear sold in dealers room, BJD, and others) it pulls the "anime" branding down.

To sum up "Moar Stuffs" is not equivalent to "Moar Funz"

BlondieSundae
11-07-2011, 12:05 AM
See you've fallen into the logic trap of saying some things shouldn't be cosplayed at certain places. It is simply your judgement call that determines that anime conventions are "general" while star wars conventions are "specific" If a steampunked "Old Spice Guy" is welcome at an anime con, then why isn't he welcome at a star trek convention? Your position is now difficult to defend.

As other people have said, maybe the "old spice guy" is a big star trek fan but just can't afford a star trek outfit. Why are you saying "intolerance" is fine at a star trek convention?

I've always said people can wear whatever they want, I just don't like the notion that any cosplay style is welcome anytime, anyplace, anywhere as some claim. Example: "Oh there is an Irish festival with people dressed as Irish river dancers and in traditional Irish garments? sounds like the perfect place for my new Miku Hatsune outfit"

I said "I don't see the point" (as in me personally) not "I don't think they should" stop twisting my words to suit your needs, mmmkay? There's a huge difference. I wouldn't go up to a Harry Potter cosplayer at Star Wars convention and tell them to change nor ban costumes because it's stupid and rather unfair.

But I feel anime is more general that Star Trek or Harry Potter because unlike the former two, it's an umbrella term for a lot genres and things. And by your argument you'd don't include Lolita as well.... because unless it's a Loli character it's not technically anime oriented. But it is a huge part of Japanese culture and so are many things included to anime cons.

Another reason they have so much other things in anime cons is that Anime fans tend to be fans of a lot of other scifi/fantasy/cartoon/gamer things. My Little Pony? Dr. Who? Dungeons and Dragons? Halo?

And the old spice guy example makes NO sense I'm sorry but I don't understand.... are you saying the actual old spice guy wants to dress up, or it's someone dressed as old spice guy? Be clear...

And dressing up as Miku at an Irish festival (something entirely different than a con because it celebrates heritage) is offensive in my opinion because it's meant for celebrating a culture and a heritiage and to do other wise is offensive and insulting. Also I think you're grasping at straws...

Just to drop some knowledge, there is something called Brand dilution. Brand dilution is the weakening of a brand though its overuse. This frequently happens as a result of ill-judged brand extension.

What do you think wold happen to the Apple name brand if in addition to computers and cell phones, suddenly Apple came out with a line of high quality carpeting? I mean people enjoy carpets right? and the carpet would be high quality. Of course it would be ignorant. Apple would never do anything like that.

Same thing with anime conventions. You go expecting a certain product, but when you see a mish mash of products pieced together to form a con, (i.e. larping, tabletop games, ren fest gear sold in dealers room, BJD, and others) it pulls the "anime" branding down.

To sum up "Moar Stuffs" is not equivalent to "Moar Funz"

Thing is.... Conventions are not businesses in the same sense as Apple, they cater to a broader fan base and aren't selling products they're selling something to do/attend. Let me bring up THIS idea, Disney (wholesome family corporation) bought Marvel Comics (bloody, actiony, violent comic books directed at an older audience) is that brand dilution? No it's smart marketing. Disney now has a larger amount consumers and therefor more cash cows. Having more things that include more people equals more business. You also forget that dealers literally travel the country to sell their wares and that's there living (lots of ren faire vendors do the same) conventions want more dealers and that helps out these peoples lively hoods too. To completely erase the other genres from anime cons would be cutting their incomes. So while it might not necessarily be "moar funz" it is "more funds".

Business.... yea....

Neko.Oni
11-07-2011, 12:53 AM
And dressing up as Miku at an Irish festival (something entirely different than a con because it celebrates heritage) is offensive in my opinion because it's meant for celebrating a culture and a heritiage and to do other wise is offensive and insulting. Also I think you're grasping at straws...

I hate to agree with Spaz here because I'm against anime being catch-all, but, yeah... very bad example...

Back on track...

There are cons that encourage any-and-everything, such as Dragon*Con. These It's ok to come as whatever you want, but a subject matter of "Anime" is "anime" if your character is not from an anime, it doesnt fit the subject matter. If we're going to analog StarTrek cons, then it's the same as having someone cosplaying StarTrek:TOS alongside somone cosplaying StarTrek:Voyager. They're different series but both on the same Topic. StarTrek covers something like 7 series and a dozen movies. Anime just happens to cover 10,000 series and millions of movies.

For sake of argument, Spaz is also right, Lolita just a general shouldn't be allowed at anime cons unless the outfit *IS* an anime character.

Now I will give a point that there are very few cons for certain characters/series. Honestly unless you could the "Catch-all" cons, I dont think there is anyplace where it's "appropriate" to cosplay MLP:FiM, and only 1 or 2 cons for Dr Who (both of which I think are in the UK...) So there are very few places these costumes really "fit in" However, this is not a license to crash any con you want as... one of the ponies (I would put a name there but honestly never seen MLP) That just means you wear those costumes to a catch-all-con or pick a different character that's appropriate. I have 3 costumes I'm working on right now, and each one is for a different con and none will show up at a different one, due to the con topics.

BlondieSundae
11-07-2011, 01:21 AM
I hate to agree with Spaz here because I'm against anime being catch-all, but, yeah... very bad example...

Back on track...

There are cons that encourage any-and-everything, such as Dragon*Con. These It's ok to come as whatever you want, but a subject matter of "Anime" is "anime" if your character is not from an anime, it doesnt fit the subject matter. If we're going to analog StarTrek cons, then it's the same as having someone cosplaying StarTrek:TOS alongside somone cosplaying StarTrek:Voyager. They're different series but both on the same Topic. StarTrek covers something like 7 series and a dozen movies. Anime just happens to cover 10,000 series and millions of movies.

For sake of argument, Spaz is also right, Lolita just a general shouldn't be allowed at anime cons unless the outfit *IS* an anime character.

Now I will give a point that there are very few cons for certain characters/series. Honestly unless you could the "Catch-all" cons, I dont think there is anyplace where it's "appropriate" to cosplay MLP:FiM, and only 1 or 2 cons for Dr Who (both of which I think are in the UK...) So there are very few places these costumes really "fit in" However, this is not a license to crash any con you want as... one of the ponies (I would put a name there but honestly never seen MLP) That just means you wear those costumes to a catch-all-con or pick a different character that's appropriate. I have 3 costumes I'm working on right now, and each one is for a different con and none will show up at a different one, due to the con topics.

I can understand some people using non anime cosplays for certain places. I mean, in New England we have a grand total of 5 cons, only three are well known, two are very small anime, Anime Boston is large Anime, Conneticon is large all, and Otakon is large Anime (and technically isn't even in NE but it's the closest). Now as a poor college student, Anime Boston is currently the only place I can attend within driving distance so I don't need a hotel. Now if I really really want to dress up as Rapunzel and the only con I get to go to and can afford is Anime Boston I'm going to wear it there. I want to show the fruits of my labor. So I'm just speaking the side of "maybe the person has no other con to go to/can't afford to go to many cons" perspective. Besides I think it's refreshing to see a Disney character in a sea of Vocaloids and other extremely popular cosplays. I like variety and unfortunately at anime cons you hardly get that often... (same with star trek lol...)

But if we forced Lolita out that would anger a lot of the Lolita's..... because it's a fashion and not a cosplay. That would be like saying everyone has to be in costume for the anime con and that's just unfair as well. LIKEWISE Steampunk is a FASHION but can be used for costume purposes (I'm doing an alice and hatter steampunk for instance) so it walks a fine line, but it also kind of goes with the idea of banning it equals banning plain clothes, loli, rave garb AND cyber goth. This also includes JPOP band and Vocaloid cosplays because these aren't techincally "anime" they're music related.... while Vocaloids are done in an anime style they alone have nothing to do with a story. So I guess I'd count that out. Same as video games, even if they come from Japan because they're not anime (unless they have one like Final Fantasy and Tales of Symphonia) So if we start cutting things where will be stop?

There is ONE MLP con and it's in NY fyi.... but that's one place... and it's a hella expensive place to get a hotel.

Neko.Oni
11-07-2011, 02:05 AM
I can understand some people using non anime cosplays for certain places. I mean, in New England we have a grand total of 5 cons, only three are well known, two are very small anime, Anime Boston is large Anime, Conneticon is large all, and Otakon is large Anime (and technically isn't even in NE but it's the closest). Now as a poor college student, Anime Boston is currently the only place I can attend within driving distance so I don't need a hotel. Now if I really really want to dress up as Rapunzel and the only con I get to go to and can afford is Anime Boston I'm going to wear it there. I want to show the fruits of my labor. So I'm just speaking the side of "maybe the person has no other con to go to/can't afford to go to many cons" perspective. Besides I think it's refreshing to see a Disney character in a sea of Vocaloids and other extremely popular cosplays. I like variety and unfortunately at anime cons you hardly get that often... (same with star trek lol...)

But if we forced Lolita out that would anger a lot of the Lolita's..... because it's a fashion and not a cosplay. That would be like saying everyone has to be in costume for the anime con and that's just unfair as well. LIKEWISE Steampunk is a FASHION but can be used for costume purposes (I'm doing an alice and hatter steampunk for instance) so it walks a fine line, but it also kind of goes with the idea of banning it equals banning plain clothes, loli, rave garb AND cyber goth. This also includes JPOP band and Vocaloid cosplays because these aren't techincally "anime" they're music related.... while Vocaloids are done in an anime style they alone have nothing to do with a story. So I guess I'd count that out. Same as video games, even if they come from Japan because they're not anime (unless they have one like Final Fantasy and Tales of Symphonia) So if we start cutting things where will be stop?

There is ONE MLP con and it's in NY fyi.... but that's one place... and it's a hella expensive place to get a hotel.

I'm not dissagreeing that it's not a happy situation that very few cities have cons and they rarely are the right topic for X costume, I do understand. (though to be fair there is always halloween... though 99% of the people you see on halloween will neither recognize most non-super-popular costimes nor realize the intense work put into them...)

Yes, it is nice to see something different at a con, so pick an obscure anime (I considered doing Captain Harlock for instance, though I changed my mind considering my lack of skill) or do a background character from an anime that most people dont pick ("see this freezeframe? that guy in the crowd in the back? thats me!")

Completely unrelated but if your doing a steampunk hatter, take a look at American McGee's Alice, the hatter in it is very steampunk

Actually there *IS* a Vocaloid manga "Hatsune Mix" (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/hatsune_mix/)...

Arguably, yes, you could ban all video game cosplays unless they have a manga/anime, relegating them to gaming conventions.

And yes, I see where your going that anime has become "all Japanese media" Though the argument about street clothes vs steampunk... do you really regularly wear your steampunk outfit in public? (if you do I will bow before you and completely drop my argument, you have far bigger balls than I do)

EDIT:
and the fact there is a whole convention dedicated to MLP scares me on so many levels...

BlondieSundae
11-07-2011, 02:16 AM
I'm not dissagreeing that it's not a happy situation that very few cities have cons and they rarely are the right topic for X costume, I do understand. (though to be fair there is always halloween... though 99% of the people you see on halloween will neither recognize most non-super-popular costimes nor realize the intense work put into them...)

Yes, it is nice to see something different at a con, so pick an obscure anime (I considered doing Captain Harlock for instance, though I changed my mind considering my lack of skill) or do a background character from an anime that most people dont pick ("see this freezeframe? that guy in the crowd in the back? thats me!")

Completely unrelated but if your doing a steampunk hatter, take a look at American McGee's Alice, the hatter in it is very steampunk

Actually there *IS* a Vocaloid manga "Hatsune Mix" (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/hatsune_mix/)...

Arguably, yes, you could ban all video game cosplays unless they have a manga/anime, relegating them to gaming conventions.

And yes, I see where your going that anime has become "all Japanese media" Though the argument about street clothes vs steampunk... do you really regularly wear your steampunk outfit in public? (if you do I will bow before you and completely drop my argument, you have far bigger balls than I do)

EDIT:
and the fact there is a whole convention dedicated to MLP scares me on so many levels...

Neko I just want you to know I am having fun debating with you and in now way am I "upset" at you. Just to clarify =3

And Halloween is only once a year =( (while I could wear Rapunzel to a ren faire, let's say for the sake of the argument I don't have a ren faire) and people don't stop me and take pictures and stop me for conversation about it.... That's the part of a con I get that I don't get on halloween.

And as for obscure anime... I'm not an anime buff, while I love seeing obscure anime characters, I do not know every obscure anime but I do know Disney. So I just love seeing american cartoons and such. Also Avatar would thus be banned as well because of it's heritage.

And I don't personally wear my steam punk.... but honestly I know there has to be SOMEONE who does. Just like cyber goth and lolita.

Neko.Oni
11-07-2011, 02:44 AM
Neko I just want you to know I am having fun debating with you and in now way am I "upset" at you. Just to clarify =3

And Halloween is only once a year =( (while I could wear Rapunzel to a ren faire, let's say for the sake of the argument I don't have a ren faire) and people don't stop me and take pictures and stop me for conversation about it.... That's the part of a con I get that I don't get on halloween.

And as for obscure anime... I'm not an anime buff, while I love seeing obscure anime characters, I do not know every obscure anime but I do know Disney. So I just love seeing american cartoons and such. Also Avatar would thus be banned as well because of it's heritage.

And I don't personally wear my steam punk.... but honestly I know there has to be SOMEONE who does. Just like cyber goth and lolita.

I am enjoying it too, it's no nice not to have a "debate" where the main argument is "I disagree, Nya!" (though why someone would say they disagree then meow at me in Japanese I'm not sure ;) lol)

Ren faires are becoming catch-all too it seems... I've seen a lot of furries at the atlanta faire in just normal fursuits not even trying to fit into the 'medieval' theme...

If you really wanted to show off there are also numerous online galleries. I know I post a lot of stuff to DA, and there's the gallery on here, as well as a hundred-million other online sites. (though I know it's not the same when someone says "nice costume" online as when they say it in-person...)

heh, we'd all be more than glad to introduce you to some obscure anime in the genres you like ;)

oh of course, and there would be an argument on whether Afro Samurai was allowed either since it was drawn in japan but all audio was recorded in America.

That, imo, is what distinguises soemthign as a costume instead of jsut street clothes. Some people do push the envalope (I dont care, I WILL wear my tail in public every time I feel like it! :P) but you have to draw the line somewhere between fassion and costume, which is, as you said above, a reason lolita wouldnt be allowed on principal of it being a costume. The whole problem here is that it's a very muddy area where that line is drawn and honestly it's drawn at different places for different people. The original topic, Steampunk, could arguably be street clothes, while your example of rupunzel would not (though it might amsue that iirc there *IS* an anime about folk stories, so it might be considered anime...)

BlondieSundae
11-07-2011, 07:50 AM
I am enjoying it too, it's no nice not to have a "debate" where the main argument is "I disagree, Nya!" (though why someone would say they disagree then meow at me in Japanese I'm not sure ;) lol)

Ren faires are becoming catch-all too it seems... I've seen a lot of furries at the atlanta faire in just normal fursuits not even trying to fit into the 'medieval' theme...

If you really wanted to show off there are also numerous online galleries. I know I post a lot of stuff to DA, and there's the gallery on here, as well as a hundred-million other online sites. (though I know it's not the same when someone says "nice costume" online as when they say it in-person...)

heh, we'd all be more than glad to introduce you to some obscure anime in the genres you like ;)

oh of course, and there would be an argument on whether Afro Samurai was allowed either since it was drawn in japan but all audio was recorded in America.

That, imo, is what distinguises soemthign as a costume instead of jsut street clothes. Some people do push the envalope (I dont care, I WILL wear my tail in public every time I feel like it! :P) but you have to draw the line somewhere between fassion and costume, which is, as you said above, a reason lolita wouldnt be allowed on principal of it being a costume. The whole problem here is that it's a very muddy area where that line is drawn and honestly it's drawn at different places for different people. The original topic, Steampunk, could arguably be street clothes, while your example of rupunzel would not (though it might amsue that iirc there *IS* an anime about folk stories, so it might be considered anime...)

I have a dA and I have a coscom account. And unless your photo is beautiful and your costume pristine, it's VERY hard to get a comment on a website. And I think it means more to be to get a picture taken by a stranger and a compliment in person. But that's me. I like human interaction a lot as well as the internet, and Anime cons are the only place I can truly geek about about costumes to people in real life because I don't have many cosplay friends.

And I do see Steampunk and Dr Who at Ren faires.... I think it's kind of funny.

And while it's nice to be introduced to obscure anime, I'll never learn them all... nor would I want to because of my tastes. No one will ever know every anime. Which brings me to the idea, how on Earth would someone MONITOR a rule like this? Simple.... you can't. You just can't.... at least with large cons. The security doesn't know anime most often than not... they're just hired help, and it's doubtful the volunteers will be keeping their eyes peeled for anything outrageously non anime (and depending on their knowledge they might not even know) when there are more important things to focus on, like safety and rude and obnoxious con goers. Even if the rule was in place there would probably be some rule breakers to slip through unnoticed.

Ans lolita ISN'T costume it's fashion.... so likewise telling me I can't wear my regular clothes of lolita is basically banning all other types of dress outside of costume.

Neko.Oni
11-07-2011, 11:08 AM
I have a dA and I have a coscom account. And unless your photo is beautiful and your costume pristine, it's VERY hard to get a comment on a website. And I think it means more to be to get a picture taken by a stranger and a compliment in person. But that's me. I like human interaction a lot as well as the internet, and Anime cons are the only place I can truly geek about about costumes to people in real life because I don't have many cosplay friends.

And I do see Steampunk and Dr Who at Ren faires.... I think it's kind of funny.

And while it's nice to be introduced to obscure anime, I'll never learn them all... nor would I want to because of my tastes. No one will ever know every anime. Which brings me to the idea, how on Earth would someone MONITOR a rule like this? Simple.... you can't. You just can't.... at least with large cons. The security doesn't know anime most often than not... they're just hired help, and it's doubtful the volunteers will be keeping their eyes peeled for anything outrageously non anime (and depending on their knowledge they might not even know) when there are more important things to focus on, like safety and rude and obnoxious con goers. Even if the rule was in place there would probably be some rule breakers to slip through unnoticed.

Ans lolita ISN'T costume it's fashion.... so likewise telling me I can't wear my regular clothes of lolita is basically banning all other types of dress outside of costume.

Yeah, I hear ya, Outside of "wow that's freaky" I rarely get any comments on anything I post on DA... but the there are probably only a dozen or two people that see any given image unless they happen to find it in a search since DA is so active. On the other paw, at a con hundreds of people see you, so...

I'd *love* to hear the explanation of what The Doctor is doing at a ren faire.... some could make the argument that at the very end of the timeperiod was when the very beginning of steampunk started, so there is *just* enough overlap... but I think that would be stretching it (if you've not noticed, having a logical back-story is very important to me, in both situations like this and in actual anime/manga/games/etc)

I'm just saying that just because it's obscure doesnt mean it's not good. One of my favorites is "Irresponcible Captain Tylor" from which I stumbled on the much more obscure "Space Pirate Captain Harlock" which is just amazing because it's written on so many levels...

Well it would come down to "Name... character name... character series..." and you'd end up with these amusing conversations...

"character series?"
"kusoneko"
"ok, next..."
"...you do realize that instead of a series, that last girl just called you catshit, right?"
(lol)

Other than that kind of 'honor policy' it would come down to who could sneak in by looking the most anime. Sure major non-anime franchises could be kept out, but a lot would sneak in... unless you wanted to REALLY slow down registration and have the registrars go through AniDB or a similar site to see if the anime is listed...

That's an argument based on PoV. In my opinion, anything you dont wear regularly in the street is a "costume" so unless you regularly go out in the street in lolita, then it's still a costume for you, intended to be worn only at specific events.

((on a side note it might amuse you, I'm having a fun time playing "guess spaz's gender" here based on your posts, and between the fact that this site has so many male, female, and both-direction crossplay, I'm constantly going back and forth! lol)

Hakaider
11-07-2011, 03:07 PM
And thats why you are seeing a lack of growth for a lot of cons. Whats the point in traveling hundreds of miles just attend a mediocre mish mash of a convention? Fans of certain genres will go far out of their way to attend functions where their genre is present.

I liken it to a great Italian restaurant that is on the other side of town. When your in the mood for great Italian food, no place is better, it is a long drive but worth it. However, would you still be willing to drive across town to go to a restaurant that is a buffet of Italian, mexican and chinese food? Would you really go out of your way for reheated so-so meatballs? Do the greasy tacos really make up for the lack of great Italian food?

Cosplayers who think they have the right to cosplay as anything anywhere anytime remind me of dog owners who think that its perfectly fine for them to bring their German Shepard anywhere they go. Parks, Picnics, outdoor bbq's, public events, concerts, renaissance festival, ect. In effect they think their rights trump whats going on around them.

I understand, there may be no harry potter convention near you. So does that mean that a star trek convention is an acceptable substitute? Go ahead and represent Hogwarts there, just don't be surprised if you attract unwanted attention.


You know, pinoycosplay, I really hate to say this, but you are getting a bit of a reputation for ranting against non-anime cosplays at anime conventions. You've started quite a few threads about it on the General Chat forum, and would post about it again on other threads. You first ranted againt Star Wars cosplayers at anime conventions in one of your threads, and I'm not surprised to see that you are now ranting against SteamPunk cosplayers at anime cons. (I also noticed that you also keep using the Micheal Jackson cosplay as an example of non-anime cosplay at anime cons, when in fact Micheal Jackson cosplays are extremely rare at many anime cons.)

http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=248024


I really don't like star wars. in fact you might say i am sick of it. it was a movie from 1977. get over it people.

-pinoycosplay

It would seem that you just detest the idea of non-anime cosplayers appearing at anime cons, and you have an ax to grind or a bone to pick with that idea. (Otherwise you wouldn't keep repeating that same rant.) I'm sure if you had your way, non-anime cosplays wouldn't be allowed at anime cons. Keep in mind though that, people aren't going to always like everything that you like, but it's not prudent to impose your very own cosplay standards on other people as to what you don't like at anime cons. (I know you detest Star Wars & Steampunk, but it doesn't mean that people should hate what you hate.)

I also think it's interesting that you would cosplay videogame characters at anime cons, when if you want to be really technical about it, they aren't anime either. You can either practice what you preach, and stop cosplaying video game characters at anime cons, or accept that non-anime cosplays are a part of anime cons. (They have been a part of it since the 1st very big North American anime con, AnimeCon 91 in 1991, so that's not going to change anytime soon. This was going on before you were born, and it's not going to change after you started attending anime cons recently.)

Incidentally, it is not up to you to decide for people as to what the definition of real "cosplay" is & what genre they can or can't cosplay at anime cons. (Unless you are running the con itself.) Nov Takahashi coined that term back in 1984, and not you. He coined that term after he returned from the Los Angeles Science Fiction World Convention in 1984. He wanted to create a catchier name to replace the word "costume", and he never intended for it to be just for anime, manga & video games cosplay only. In fact, in Japan, the word "cosplay" covers all costumes and that includes sci-fi, fantasy, steampunk, and historical costuming. (And yes, I saw Nov Takahashi in person at an anime con and I even got a live action "Zeiram" movie T-shirt from him. Very nice man.)

I strongly suggest that you should try to brush up on the history of anime cons, before ranting again about non-anime cosplays at anime cons. If you never been to Japan, I would suggest taking a trip in the future, and you can see for yourself, the variety of non-anime cosplays at the Comic Market.

BlondieSundae
11-07-2011, 03:24 PM
Yeah, I hear ya, Outside of "wow that's freaky" I rarely get any comments on anything I post on DA... but the there are probably only a dozen or two people that see any given image unless they happen to find it in a search since DA is so active. On the other paw, at a con hundreds of people see you, so...

I'd *love* to hear the explanation of what The Doctor is doing at a ren faire.... some could make the argument that at the very end of the timeperiod was when the very beginning of steampunk started, so there is *just* enough overlap... but I think that would be stretching it (if you've not noticed, having a logical back-story is very important to me, in both situations like this and in actual anime/manga/games/etc)

I'm just saying that just because it's obscure doesnt mean it's not good. One of my favorites is "Irresponcible Captain Tylor" from which I stumbled on the much more obscure "Space Pirate Captain Harlock" which is just amazing because it's written on so many levels...

Well it would come down to "Name... character name... character series..." and you'd end up with these amusing conversations...

"character series?"
"kusoneko"
"ok, next..."
"...you do realize that instead of a series, that last girl just called you catshit, right?"
(lol)

Other than that kind of 'honor policy' it would come down to who could sneak in by looking the most anime. Sure major non-anime franchises could be kept out, but a lot would sneak in... unless you wanted to REALLY slow down registration and have the registrars go through AniDB or a similar site to see if the anime is listed...

That's an argument based on PoV. In my opinion, anything you dont wear regularly in the street is a "costume" so unless you regularly go out in the street in lolita, then it's still a costume for you, intended to be worn only at specific events.

((on a side note it might amuse you, I'm having a fun time playing "guess spaz's gender" here based on your posts, and between the fact that this site has so many male, female, and both-direction crossplay, I'm constantly going back and forth! lol)

I dunno if you've seen Dr. Who but he has a blue tardis (an english phone booth) that warps through time and space. Him ending up in a ren period isn't too far fetched xD

Oh I never meant to say obscure was bad! I just wouldn't count on me loving ALL of them. I like action anime, but I'm not a huge fan of Naruto.... kind of like that you know? I just can't expect myself to know or learn every anime either.

I think giving any of the attendees a reason to sit through another/longer line would be an awful idea o.o That would definitely be a way to lose business on their part... I mean aside from banning a ton of costumes.

Lolita's are very strict about their fashion... I don't think they HAVE to wear it all the time but I know there are girls who do. And if you wear/consider Lolita as a costume they REALLY look down on you or hate you for it. People do it, but it's still majorly a fashion and not a costume, considering it a costume is an offense to the lolis lol. I know plenty of people who dress in cyber goth as well, it just usually is more prominent at the cons. And you can't exactly say "you don't wear that in public....leave" because the staff can't make that accusation.

I think tossing out all the non anime things in general is silly... since having more vendors equals more money for the con. And happy attendees are returning attendees. I understand the want of panels being anime pertinent, and the masquerade. But removing non anime things would consider the raves gone too....wouldn't they? And people love the raves.

Lol do want to keep guessing my gender or do you want me to tell you?

EDIT- Welcome to the debate Hakaider!

And thank you for bringing up that cosplay was born in America. It was something that I forgot to bring up but I wanted to.

Neko.Oni
11-07-2011, 04:46 PM
I dunno if you've seen Dr. Who but he has a blue tardis (an english phone booth) that warps through time and space. Him ending up in a ren period isn't too far fetched xD

Oh I never meant to say obscure was bad! I just wouldn't count on me loving ALL of them. I like action anime, but I'm not a huge fan of Naruto.... kind of like that you know? I just can't expect myself to know or learn every anime either.

I think giving any of the attendees a reason to sit through another/longer line would be an awful idea o.o That would definitely be a way to lose business on their part... I mean aside from banning a ton of costumes.

Lolita's are very strict about their fashion... I don't think they HAVE to wear it all the time but I know there are girls who do. And if you wear/consider Lolita as a costume they REALLY look down on you or hate you for it. People do it, but it's still majorly a fashion and not a costume, considering it a costume is an offense to the lolis lol. I know plenty of people who dress in cyber goth as well, it just usually is more prominent at the cons. And you can't exactly say "you don't wear that in public....leave" because the staff can't make that accusation.

I think tossing out all the non anime things in general is silly... since having more vendors equals more money for the con. And happy attendees are returning attendees. I understand the want of panels being anime pertinent, and the masquerade. But removing non anime things would consider the raves gone too....wouldn't they? And people love the raves.

Lol do want to keep guessing my gender or do you want me to tell you?

EDIT- Welcome to the debate Hakaider!

And thank you for bringing up that cosplay was born in America. It was something that I forgot to bring up but I wanted to.

Actually the tardis (Time And Relative Dimensions In Space) is a living crystal with 2 shells, the outer shell uses a "chameleon circuit" that got broken many many many years back, and such the tardis is "stuck" in the visage of a police call box (or well originally was, I want to say the 5th(?) Doctor fixed it but it's stayed that way because he "liked it like that" (and because BBC didnt want to keep building new Tardis shells). And yes, I suppose you could use that argument since he did pop up several times, including once when he saved and inspired Shakespeare... (I'm a major fan of the new series, but never saw the classics)

heh general rule I've found: if it was brought to America it's not worth watching (only exceptions I found were FMA (both series) and so far the original (sub'd) Dragonball (not gotten to Z, GT, and AF, so I cant comment on them). I thought Bleach and One-Piece were gonna be good but after a while they flopped too...)

Eh, now your approaching a completely different aspect, Anime as a Fandom vs Anime as a Business. Yes, from a business perspective, it's best to let it become a catch-all, the few purists you lose will be FAR outnumbered by all the others you gain. (Though I'd like to point out that, at least in the Furry world, most cons are NFP (Not For Profit) so once they cover expenses it doesn't matter if they get a single attendee over that minimum as far as the $$$ goes --- don't know if that's the same for Anime cons or not...)

Now that is very interesting, I had no idea lolita was as much a culture as a fassion... from a sociological point of view that sounds like something worth more research on my part... (I love dabbling in social science now and again, almost as much fun as quantum science)

I've seen a few goths around, even in this highly conservative area I live in (though so far they're all 'perky goths' in it for the fashion, not the culture, but...) so yes, that does arguably make goth/cybergoth "street clothes"

Ultimately as much as I like the idea of anime cons being pure anime it's impossible IRL because too many lines get blurred with certain aspects, and if Cons are Profit businesses it *IS* a case of making money so that wont change anytime soon, no matter how many fans get pissed at seeing Storm Troopers at the con... While I will concede you are right in application, in theory there is still a lot that I think should be changed - at the very least Anime cons should revolve around Japanese culture/influence but the cash of the many outweighs the cash of the few ;)

heh let me guess first. I'm guessing your actually female but you do a lot of crossplays (I came into this thinking you were male but ultimately I've decided your female) am I right? (for the record I have not looked at your profile or any pics you have posted, this is all purely based on your forum posts)

I am honestly suprised that America invented cosplay...

BlondieSundae
11-07-2011, 05:10 PM
Actually the tardis (Time And Relative Dimensions In Space) is a living crystal with 2 shells, the outer shell uses a "chameleon circuit" that got broken many many many years back, and such the tardis is "stuck" in the visage of a police call box (or well originally was, I want to say the 5th(?) Doctor fixed it but it's stayed that way because he "liked it like that" (and because BBC didnt want to keep building new Tardis shells). And yes, I suppose you could use that argument since he did pop up several times, including once when he saved and inspired Shakespeare... (I'm a major fan of the new series, but never saw the classics)

heh general rule I've found: if it was brought to America it's not worth watching (only exceptions I found were FMA (both series) and so far the original (sub'd) Dragonball (not gotten to Z, GT, and AF, so I cant comment on them). I thought Bleach and One-Piece were gonna be good but after a while they flopped too...)

Eh, now your approaching a completely different aspect, Anime as a Fandom vs Anime as a Business. Yes, from a business perspective, it's best to let it become a catch-all, the few purists you lose will be FAR outnumbered by all the others you gain. (Though I'd like to point out that, at least in the Furry world, most cons are NFP (Not For Profit) so once they cover expenses it doesn't matter if they get a single attendee over that minimum as far as the $$$ goes --- don't know if that's the same for Anime cons or not...)

Now that is very interesting, I had no idea lolita was as much a culture as a fassion... from a sociological point of view that sounds like something worth more research on my part... (I love dabbling in social science now and again, almost as much fun as quantum science)

I've seen a few goths around, even in this highly conservative area I live in (though so far they're all 'perky goths' in it for the fashion, not the culture, but...) so yes, that does arguably make goth/cybergoth "street clothes"

Ultimately as much as I like the idea of anime cons being pure anime it's impossible IRL because too many lines get blurred with certain aspects, and if Cons are Profit businesses it *IS* a case of making money so that wont change anytime soon, no matter how many fans get pissed at seeing Storm Troopers at the con... While I will concede you are right in application, in theory there is still a lot that I think should be changed - at the very least Anime cons should revolve around Japanese culture/influence but the cash of the many outweighs the cash of the few ;)

heh let me guess first. I'm guessing your actually female but you do a lot of crossplays (I came into this thinking you were male but ultimately I've decided your female) am I right? (for the record I have not looked at your profile or any pics you have posted, this is all purely based on your forum posts)

I am honestly suprised that America invented cosplay...

Welp you've seen much more Dr. Who than I have! (admittedly I have only seen three episodes and my friend has told me about it, frankly I was only surmising what I heard/gathered... and I genuinely thought the tardis was a phone booth lol) xD But good you know about Dr. Who to understand why he could be in a ren period lol

Go check our EGL board and google it I'm sure you'll learn quite a bit =3

And I' glad you're looking at the entire "anime cons should just be anime" from a logical standpoint instead of "IT SHOULD JUST BE THIS WAY" it's refreshing to have a logical and civil debate.

I am female and I've done one crossplay and plan to do much more, however, I'm quite tomboyish so I suppose that's why my typing style is more masculine.

Neko.Oni
11-07-2011, 05:40 PM
Welp you've seen much more Dr. Who than I have! (admittedly I have only seen three episodes and my friend has told me about it, frankly I was only surmising what I heard/gathered... and I genuinely thought the tardis was a phone booth lol) xD But good you know about Dr. Who to understand why he could be in a ren period lol

Go check our EGL board and google it I'm sure you'll learn quite a bit =3

And I' glad you're looking at the entire "anime cons should just be anime" from a logical standpoint instead of "IT SHOULD JUST BE THIS WAY" it's refreshing to have a logical and civil debate.

I am female and I've done one crossplay and plan to do much more, however, I'm quite tomboyish so I suppose that's why my typing style is more masculine.

lol, if you like the series, wikipedia can fill you in on most of the back-story, if you want more than that, there are a LOT of fansites. NOTHING in Dr Who is simple. Nothing.

I'll take a look sometime, not being particularily interested in Lolita outside of a scientific view It likely wont be anytime soon lol, but thanks for pointing it out, I had no idea it was a culture.

Indeed, especially on the internet where 2/3 of the time the debate ends with "NO U!" >.< I'd like to thank you for the civility and taking time to address and back up your points. If your ever down my way or I'm up yours I'll buy you a beer (or whatever your preference is) :)

Makes sense. Also makes me feel better that I'm starting to be able to guess people's gender better lol

Lightning Baron
11-13-2011, 09:36 PM
I think steam punk has a lot to do with anime. There are several Anime movies and series that are steam punk. Cyber punk should be included as well, there are several cyber punk Animes as well. On the grounds that both are costuming/cosplay which is a big part of the Anime culture they should not be turned away.

Some anime that are Steam punk:
Steam boy
Steam Detectives
Sakura wars (never saw it but giant robots powered by steam)
Samurai 7 (the anime series based on 7 samurai)
Last Exile
Trigun
(there is more but some of the one I have seen)

Cyber punk Anime:
A little show called Ghost in the Shell.
Akira (possibly the Anime the started the anime crazy for us)
lain
bubble gum crisis
Battle Angel Alita
Bio Booster Armor Guyver

Actually is a go though both the lists for Cyberpunk and Steampunk anime many of the good anime fall into these categories. I feel that both should totally be a part of a anime convention, if not mandatory.

Volnixshin
12-21-2011, 06:56 PM
9) I really don't like star wars. in fact you might say i am sick of it. it was a movie from 1977. get over it people.




People still cosplay Jesus, and that guy came out over 2,000 years ago!
Get over it people!

BlondieSundae
12-21-2011, 11:29 PM
People still cosplay Jesus, and that guy came out over 2,000 years ago!
Get over it people!

Your posts are gold

Volnixshin
12-22-2011, 09:54 AM
I feel that both should totally be a part of a anime convention, if not mandatory.

Mandatory you say?


Keep your totalitarian views away!

mokulen22
12-22-2011, 10:09 AM
If it wasn't for SteamPunk being at Anime Con I wouldn't even know about it. I fell in love with it (so guess which side I'm on).

My only thing with steampunk being at an anime convention is I don't believe they should be involved in the masquerade unless they are from an anime-related series. This is only fair as I'm sure a Scifi con-goers wouldn't want to see an original Lolita entering theirs.

Volnixshin
12-22-2011, 10:14 AM
Different cons have different masq rules. Some say its only anime, and others say if you took the time and preperation on your costumes and skits, then by all means


I mostly go to steampunk events as per my occupation, and I can tell you, most of the SP community loves seeing anime/lolita/what have you performers,




especially that Freddy cosplayer at the Burlesque



OMFG HOT

supergeekgirl
12-27-2011, 12:28 PM
See you've fallen into the logic trap of saying some things shouldn't be cosplayed at certain places. It is simply your judgement call that determines that anime conventions are "general" while star wars conventions are "specific" If a steampunked "Old Spice Guy" is welcome at an anime con, then why isn't he welcome at a star trek convention? Your position is now difficult to defend.

As other people have said, maybe the "old spice guy" is a big star trek fan but just can't afford a star trek outfit. Why are you saying "intolerance" is fine at a star trek convention?

I've always said people can wear whatever they want, I just don't like the notion that any cosplay style is welcome anytime, anyplace, anywhere as some claim. Example: "Oh there is an Irish festival with people dressed as Irish river dancers and in traditional Irish garments? sounds like the perfect place for my new Miku Hatsune outfit"

Coming back this thread as apparently my convention is one of the ones bringing the "anime brand" down (though, as you can see on our website, we do not call ourselves an anime convention as such and prefer to be a pop culture convention geared toward a younger crowd first and foremost with a major focus on Japanese culture). Our goal as a convention is not to make more money but to provide immersive events. From the beginning, we have allowed those events to branch out from the realm of typical anime cons into areas of interest to anime con-goers (including BJDs, Batman, steampunk, traditional Japanese culture, Harry Potter, fairies, and other topics).

A lot of people on these boards have a strange idea of what goes on at single-topic conventions (Star Trek, Harry Potter, Doctor Who, etc.). As a person who attends single-topic cons and has run a couple in the past, I think I can provide a bit of insight.

One, as many on here have already said, most cons are not about making money. The reason they branch out is probably as simple as someone requesting they have an event on somesuch-a-topic. They aren't doing what a company does and saying, "Hey, we could make more money if we did this!" Instead, it's more like, "Hey, a bunch of people wish they could do this at our con. Let's make it happen!"

Two, many single-topic cons ARE for-profit. Remember the Twilight conventions that so many people were attending a couple years ago? You know some of those cons for specific series where they get lots of the actors there and just herd people back and forth between panels (another thing I'll get to later)? Those are mostly for-profit conventions. Cosplay is unimportant and actually kind of rare at those cons. There's generally no masquerade and little hall cosplay. Sometimes that's because it's a tough series to cosplay, but mostly it's because the attendees are going with two goals in mind - meet the celebrities and get autographs.

Three, single topic cons really ARE about a single topic. Let's set Star Trek aside here because we're going to go back to it in a moment. For now, let's think about Supernatural. There are conventions for Supernatural which a friend of mine attends regularly. The con staff has actors from the series appear at each convention to host panels on their work in the series. They run a costume contest for Supernatural costumes. They have a Supernatural trivia contest. They have karaoke. They're also run by Creation Entertainment, a company that hosts for-profit single topic conventions. Creation's goal is to get people who like Supernatural and want autographs from Supernatural stars to attend their Supernatural conventions. When Supernatural stops netting them the profit they need, they'll drop those conventions and add some other cons to their line-up. Beyond that, there are single topic fan conventions like my own Escape from Outer Heaven. These tend to be small events until where fans of a specific series socialize and host panels on the topic of the con. Planning tends to be done collectively to include events or panels about specific aspects of the series or hobby, and the focus is mainly to socialize with people who have something in common with you. At smaller cons like this, costuming tends to be limited but generally related to the series in question. You see this at Chicago TARDIS where people who want to show off their Doctor Who costumes go mostly in DW stuff (though there are exceptions).

Four, actually, not all seemingly single topic cons have stayed that way. Trek Expo, a Star Trek con in Tulsa, OK, has become a media meet and greet with actors from other science fiction series such as Firefly, Eureka, Lost, and Babylon 5 on their guest list. Yeah, it started with Trek, but Trek fans liked other stuff and requested more and more guests from other series. Viola! The con gave it to them! And don't even get me started on San Diego Comic Con... All of that said, it's not a bad thing for a con to drift. Yes, some fans may be angry that it is no longer "pure", but the majority will be happy. If they aren't, the con will wither and die.

Five, single topic cons are rarer and more expensive that anime cons and science fiction cons. Generally, you're paying between $30 and $70 for an anime con but between $50 and $300 for a single topic con, especially if it's got a lot of celebrities attending. Even small single topic events with few or no celebrities tend to cost more because they attract such a small crowd. For this reason, people who are not huge fans of the series tend not to go, and naturally, you see very few costumes that aren't relevant to the topic. If someone just wants to go to a con to show off his costume, he's not going to pay $200 to attend a con about Twilight. Instead, he'll pay $40 to attend his local anime con.

Six, anime is not a single topic. In fact, when have you been to an anime convention that didn't include video games and manga? Anime cons sprang from anime programming at science fiction cons. So yeah, at first, when there wasn't a lot of anime coming into the country, and anime cons were a way for like-minded individuals to gather, they were kind of single topic. They drifted. Their fan base grew as anime became mainstream and available. People started attending, liked the atmosphere, and (yeah, I guess you could call it this) caused the cons to drift in focus as they started liking other things. Other subcultures sprang out of anime fandom - video gamers, a new hoard of slash fans, cosplayers, and others. Like science fiction conventions before them, they turned into an amalgam of many interests. What holds most anime cons together is an underlying interest in Japanese culture.

So let's stop bringing Star Trek conventions into the argument when whining about what should and shouldn't be allowed at an anime con. To summarize, single topic Trek cons are expensive to attend and focus on Star Trek because, generally, they are for-profit celebrity meet and greet events. For that reason, few people go who are not dedicated to meeting Star Trek actors. Thus, there is little costuming at all compared to anime cons and few people who costume outside the topic because they are there less to absorb the atmosphere than to meet Star Trek actors. Since the costume contests there are focused on the topics of the conventions (if there are costume contests at all), the more elaborate costumes all tend to the convention topic. These cons are also smaller than most anime cons, so there is less of a percentage wanting to do costumes outside of the established topic.

Does that help?

SovietKitten
01-14-2012, 06:46 AM
People still cosplay Jesus, and that guy came out over 2,000 years ago!
Get over it people!

Pure,pure gold.

I honestly don't understand why this thread is still going. x.x It's just the same ramblings over and over,except now Pinoy joined in to trololol.

Thread needs more Vol trolololing.

Volnixshin
01-17-2012, 04:16 PM
I wholeheartedly agree

Scorpion89
01-19-2012, 11:18 AM
I can understand some people using non anime cosplays for certain places. I mean, in New England we have a grand total of 5 cons, only three are well known, two are very small anime, Anime Boston is large Anime, Conneticon is large all, and Otakon is large Anime (and technically isn't even in NE but it's the closest).


Hey Spaz you really aren't looking to hard because here off the top of my head are NE Based Cons that you can attend,


Queen City Kamikaze
February 18, 2012 Manchester Memorial High School
Manchester, NH

Conbust
March 30 - April 1, 2012 Smith College (Seelye Hall)
Northampton, MA

Anime Boston
April 6-8, 2012 Hynes Convention Center
Boston, MA

Quinni-Con
April 28-29, 2012 Quinnipiac University York Hill Campus
Hamden, CT

BAMCon
May 4-6, 2012 Crowne Plaza Pittsfield - Berkshires
Pittsfield, MA

Nauticon
May 18-20, 2012 Provincetown Inn
Provincetown, MA

PortConMaine
June 21-24, 2012 Wyndham Portland Airport Hotel
South Portland, ME

ConnectiCon
July 13-15, 2012 Connecticut Convention Center
Hartford, CT

Animaine
August 31 - September 3, 2012 Best Western Merry Manor Inn
South Portland, ME

Bakuretsu Con
November 9-11, 2012 Hampton Inn and Event Center
Colchester, VT

Arisia
January 18-21, 2013 Westin Boston Waterfront
Boston, MA

Now if you like I can add stuff that are in NYC and Northeast Canada also.

Scorpion89
01-19-2012, 11:31 AM
As for the topic of this thread I really hate to break it to everyone but Steampunk has been at Conventions since the Mid 80s in some sort or another.

Here is what it boils down to from someone who has worked Convention for over 20 years we(The folks who run cons) need to make X amount of money to turn a profit so we can keep having Cons very few if any Cons in North America don't set limits on what type of Costume you can wear the one exception is Pedro bear which many Cons are now starting to outlaw for legal reasons. I personally have been doing Steampunk for 20 years and I must say that over the past 10 years I've notice that it has grown allot at Cons but the same can be sad of other costumes b eit Star Wars,Doctor Who,Lolita ect ect it the nature of the Cons as more folks have better access to all sort f stuff the more different and exciting costume are being displayed at Cons. Which really if you want to get down to the brass tacks the diversity in Costume and Genera make for a far more exciting Con then just the same old stuff.

BlondieSundae
01-19-2012, 05:15 PM
Hey Spaz you really aren't looking to hard because here off the top of my head are NE Based Cons that you can attend,


Queen City Kamikaze
February 18, 2012 Manchester Memorial High School
Manchester, NH

Conbust
March 30 - April 1, 2012 Smith College (Seelye Hall)
Northampton, MA

Anime Boston
April 6-8, 2012 Hynes Convention Center
Boston, MA

Quinni-Con
April 28-29, 2012 Quinnipiac University York Hill Campus
Hamden, CT

BAMCon
May 4-6, 2012 Crowne Plaza Pittsfield - Berkshires
Pittsfield, MA

Nauticon
May 18-20, 2012 Provincetown Inn
Provincetown, MA

PortConMaine
June 21-24, 2012 Wyndham Portland Airport Hotel
South Portland, ME

ConnectiCon
July 13-15, 2012 Connecticut Convention Center
Hartford, CT

Animaine
August 31 - September 3, 2012 Best Western Merry Manor Inn
South Portland, ME

Bakuretsu Con
November 9-11, 2012 Hampton Inn and Event Center
Colchester, VT

Arisia
January 18-21, 2013 Westin Boston Waterfront
Boston, MA

Now if you like I can add stuff that are in NYC and Northeast Canada also.

I thought I mentioned Conneticon....and Anime Boston....

And there is no way i can make it to Canada or NY on my budget thanks... =/ But maybe these are newer cons because I have not heard of them even when I googled a couple years back.

But it doesn't matter I like to keep local as possible because of budget. Portcon is the only one I missed that I think I would attend. Not that it matters, AB is pretty much the only con I can attend being insanely poor and a college student.

And the point is kind of moot, these are still mostly Anime cons.

pinoycosplay
01-19-2012, 07:06 PM
As for the topic of this thread I really hate to break it to everyone but Steampunk has been at Conventions since the Mid 80s in some sort or another.
.

Agreed. Steampunk is simply an evolution of industrial/goth fashions that has gone more mainstream. Eventually it will lose its freshness/novelty, just as all trends do, and transform into something else.

Scorpion89
01-19-2012, 09:12 PM
Agreed. Steampunk is simply an evolution of industrial/goth fashions that has gone more mainstream. Eventually it will lose its freshness/novelty, just as all trends do, and transform into something else.

God I hope so as someone who has been doing some sort of Steampunk for over 20 Years this new fade is teeth grinding sort of reminds me of how Lolita became the thing. As for being at Convention well as I stated the more variety of cosplayer that come to Cons the easier it is for these Cons to keep going.

Scorpion89
01-19-2012, 09:24 PM
I thought I mentioned Conneticon....and Anime Boston....

And there is no way i can make it to Canada or NY on my budget thanks... =/ But maybe these are newer cons because I have not heard of them even when I googled a couple years back.

But it doesn't matter I like to keep local as possible because of budget. Portcon is the only one I missed that I think I would attend. Not that it matters, AB is pretty much the only con I can attend being insanely poor and a college student.

And the point is kind of moot, these are still mostly Anime cons.

Well Bakuretsu Con is going on 12 Years now as for Bamcon this is their 1st Year, Bakuretsu Con haas been around for a few years can't remember how long but unless your 21+ you can't attend this Con I think it's the only 21+ Con on the East Coast and Arisia has been around since the mid 80s one of the 1st Cons I worked at.

BlondieSundae
01-19-2012, 09:57 PM
Well Bakuretsu Con is going on 12 Years now as for Bamcon this is their 1st Year, Bakuretsu Con haas been around for a few years can't remember how long but unless your 21+ you can't attend this Con I think it's the only 21+ Con on the East Coast and Arisia has been around since the mid 80s one of the 1st Cons I worked at.

I'm 20 so that's a no.

I think I have heard of Arisia but, never Bakuretsu.

Volnixshin
01-20-2012, 01:21 PM
Gobble Con
CT Comic Con
Boston Comic Con
Temple Con
Ucon @ UCONN




I am -punk, hear me roar