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FlameSniperRei
10-06-2003, 01:52 PM
I'm sorry to complain but I think the security staff needed to not be so rude when having cosplayers check in their weapons. Too many of my friends had gripes about how they were constantly bothered by the AM security. It might be easier to have a booth outdoors for cosplayers to check in their weapons rather than having to escort them all the way to con ops as if they're being "taken down to the station". Dude these people didn't commit a crime, why do cosplayers have be treated like criminals? x_x;

And the fact that there is no life gaurd really sucks. x_x; People want to swim reallllllly badly and denying them that right during con hours is kinda sad. Is it really that expensive to hire one?


Other than that I have no complaints whatsoever. AM was FUN!!!!!!! :D

Cherry
10-06-2003, 01:57 PM
I actually spoke with security heads on that one, asking them to talk to their staff members.

They all but SCREAMED at this poor Selphie that was just trying to take pictures, so we brought her props in my room, and told them to go the hell away. Some blonde guy, overweight, with glasses, just acted like we were completely inferior.

He actually came to my door, and called for back up or something, and they were like "Do we have a situation here? You need to check blah blah blah"

I just told them that they were in MY hotel room, and they needed to get away from me.

It was rather infuriating.

SO yes, I completely agree. Besides that, and the disorganization of where to sign up for things, I had So much fun

Squall
10-06-2003, 02:07 PM
yeah, if they were in your room, you have every right to tell them to fuck off and get out of your room...they were really bad this year and deserved the "splash" they got at the pool. They even harassed me about my gunblade and harassed others about having their badge on while standing around the pool area.....

It seemed that they tried abusing their authority rather then making things easier for everyone.

But AM was good for me and I enjoyed helping with the masq again this year.

thecrazyotaku
10-06-2003, 02:45 PM
i had fun on sunday harassing them XD
lionel and al were doing a pose as if they were using their cameras to attack one another, a security member was walking by, i couldnt resist, i shouted out to al and lionel asking them if they had their cameras peacebonded XD
everybody burst out laughing and security gave me the look XD

cactusmomma
10-06-2003, 02:45 PM
security came and harrassed one of the girls in our room..she's a cutter :x her arms are all cut up from self-infliction (yes she's on meds now) and they came and delayed our leaving for like..an hour or 2 due to 'we need to make sure she wasn't attacked' sorry but if she had just been attacked she would be bleeding everywhere and running to her room screaming..both of which she was not... -_-

PawTeeGal
10-06-2003, 03:06 PM
I have heard much about security and weapons, however Im baffled at how someone was able to walk off with a shipment box full of goods from one of the dealers.. Perhaps the focus of security ought to be revised? Further more, Im rather shocked that someone would do something like this to beginning with.

PawTee

FlameSniperRei
10-06-2003, 03:12 PM
O.O omg someone stole a whole box?? Dang. Good point Pawteegal, perhaps security should be watching the goods in the dealer's room rather than harassing innocent cosplayers.

I don't mean to rant and rave about security, I think it's good that they're trying to do their jobs but they need to not get overly zealous about it.
I just have a severe dislike of security that overly harass cosplayers about their props. At Fanime I got harassed to put my $3.00 plastic toy sword away. they said I could hurt people with it. I said no I can't and stabbed myself 10 times with it as proof and they still told me to put it away. It's not like I was running around trying to hit people with it geezus. >,< grr.

FlameSniperRei
10-06-2003, 03:25 PM
I actually spoke with security heads on that one, asking them to talk to their staff members.

They all but SCREAMED at this poor Selphie that was just trying to take pictures, so we brought her props in my room, and told them to go the hell away. Some blonde guy, overweight, with glasses, just acted like we were completely inferior.

He actually came to my door, and called for back up or something, and they were like "Do we have a situation here? You need to check blah blah blah"

I just told them that they were in MY hotel room, and they needed to get away from me.

It was rather infuriating.

SO yes, I completely agree. Besides that, and the disorganization of where to sign up for things, I had So much fun


I think that Selphie was one of our friends who had a really bad run in with security and they even gave her grief for having a CARDCAPTOR SAKURA mini WAND. Um give me a break coz those toys are for children under 5, do you reallllllly think we can hurt other people with it? DUH. >,<

mochihead
10-06-2003, 03:46 PM
i had fun on sunday harassing them XD
lionel and al were doing a pose as if they were using their cameras to attack one another, a security member was walking by, i couldnt resist, i shouted out to al and lionel asking them if they had their cameras peacebonded XD
everybody burst out laughing and security gave me the look XD

AHHH! You were the one that was yelling at us! *laughs* I was the one photographing Al & Lionel! You will love those pics once I get them up!

But yes, security was very rough at this con. They were even yelling at people that already had their weapons peace bonded. Thank goodness, though, that Rob Miles was able to clear up some of the weapons issues for the Matrix photo gathering.

It would have helped, too, if the weapons policy was consistent and posted somewhere. From what was posted on the site to what was posted on the boards here, to what was actually enforced at the con were completely different.

But overall, the rest of the con was really fun and, if a bit dis-organized, was still great to meet and party with everyone! woo-hoo!

ChibiMoFo
10-06-2003, 03:54 PM
He actually came to my door, and called for back up or something, and they were like "Do we have a situation here? You need to check blah blah blah"


Whoa, big time power trip >_>

Taisou
10-06-2003, 04:04 PM
i dunno if ya'll know, but Pockyken and Mochihead were the ones that got me that Katana I had. Sad part was, even AFTER I took it to the room, 5 of the security guys asked me time and time again NOT to bring it back down or they'll take it away. Later I got it peacebonded and rubbed it in their face. I was simply asked not to unsheath it unless i was in a photoshoot. (well duh!)
wethe blunt or not, I aint dumb enough to open a katana out in the open where a ton of cosplayers are hangin around.
..........Maybe in the middle of ton of the security though
BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Rey-Rey
10-06-2003, 04:18 PM
Security stopped Jean and I immediately about the volunteer badges. They didn't believe that we hosted the Masquerade.

HOW DARE YOU NOT RECOGNIZE THE AWESOME REY-REY? >= (

Woof. >= ( Kitty litter. >= (

lemoned
10-06-2003, 04:36 PM
-snort- this is what my big beef was with this con. @_@

I was actually stopped and asked to go check a pair of KNITTING NEEDLES. I mean.. wtf?! What am I gonna do? Knit you a scarf and then beat you with it? @_@

And that made me really sad.. because last year I got away with carting around a huge scythe for my Gackt costume.. ;_; there'd be no way I would have been able to do that this year without being tackled by 20 security guards.

AM Chair
10-06-2003, 04:40 PM
Whoa. Time out!

Two issues: First about the harshness of the security. I do apoligise for that, I'd recieved many complaints about it, and we will work on it for next year. Last thing we wanna do is irritate our revenue source. This is an internal matter and will be dealt with as such. The only thing I will ask is the comment about is the young lady with the cuts. I saw her cowering near the bushes. and wondered what was up with her. Is this considered normal behavior for a fan, and if so why scare other people with it? In that case I think my folks were justified in making sure she was alright. As for the other stuff involving security, way too much Barney Fife, I'll have a look at that.

Now, the "stolen" box. The issue at hand is about one of our dealers who had a huge number of anime goods shipped from NDK, his shop, and perhaps one other location. They were stored as courtesy by the hotel. On Friday set-up day, He was concerned about missing 9 boxes which turned out were kept in the set-up supervisor's office. The dealer counted what he thought was 9 boxes. The super carried them to his booth. When the dealer counted again, he had only 8. The dealer then though some body in the room, the super, security, even other dealers might have stolen it, and spent the rest of weekend saying that he had a box stolen, claiming we did nothing to help ( we called the police). In the end, we found that the box he claimed was "stolen" was in fact still in the hands of the UPS, after we insisted that he run his tracking numbers through the web. But then he says he discovered another box was missing. For the most part, we as a convention have nothing to do with that, and I told him to check his boxes for the missing box tracking data, he said he tossed some of the boxes in the trash. He had one of his booth staff check boxes until I left. So who is to say that box is really missing? When the issue came up, there was security, two hotel staff and myself and the other dealers setting up in the hall. No one else. I would also point out that another dealer whose goods were shipped the same day had no problem, he had his act together. While my security staff were a tad over zealous, I won't tolerate the comment about being them lazy watching the dealer hall. As a dealer on the con trail myself, I am responsible for my goods at all times, and I know what a hotel can and can't do in these situtaions. If you send your goods without keeping proper tabs on it, this is the kind of logistics problem that happens. In the end, the box will be found. And somebody from Virginia will be owing a lot of people appologies for the slander going on about the incident. In the mean time, don't get caught up in spreading misinformation.

hello kenney
10-06-2003, 04:55 PM
pretty harsh- remember, the point of all the security was to keep people safe...

Since I wasnt cosplaying, I didnt experience any security attention directed towards me- but I DID see cosplayers giving a lot of unneeded sass to the security guards.

For example- time and again, people dove in the pool wearing costumes- security would immediatly come over and tell them to get out, yet they never did. I cant think of one time I saw this happen where the security guard didnt have to ask like 10 times before they finally got out (and they usually argued a bit before that.) Put yourself in thier place- someone gave that poor guard these instructions "keep anyone out of the pool"- he wasnt doing it becuase he made up the rule, and he wasnt getting paid anything to put up with people who just wouldnt follow the rules, despite knowing them full well....

also, I saw a security guard talking to a cosplayer- the conversation went something like this:

guard-"did you get that peace bonded?"
cosplayer-"no"
guard-" you have to go get it bonded or you cant carry it around"
cosplayer-"ok" (resumes talking to friends)
guard-"you have to do it right now"
cosplayer-"OK!" (resumes talking to friends)
guard-"look, you have to do it RIGHT NOW OR YOU WILL HAVE TO LEAVE THE CON"
cosplayer-"LEAVE ME ALONE!!"

this went on a for a while, with both parties getting pretty upset. In my eyes it was pretty clear the guard was just doing his job, yet the cosplayer just refused to be bothered with the rules...

On the other hand, the rules were far too strict in my opinion (like the tuxedo mask who had to get his plastic rose peace bonded-wtf??)- however, you shouldnt be mad at the security guards because you dont like con policy- AND remember pretty much everyone was giving them attitude so the had a right to be in 'no nonsense' mode.

AM Chair
10-06-2003, 04:55 PM
[QUOTE
And the fact that there is no life gaurd really sucks. x_x; People want to swim reallllllly badly and denying them that right during con hours is kinda sad. Is it really that expensive to hire one?


Other than that I have no complaints whatsoever. AM was FUN!!!!!!! :D[/QUOTE]

We never said people couldn't swim. Unless that got lost in translation during our meetings. We didn't want people getting pushed, thrown, etc. in full clothing. If people had bathing gear, no sweat. I for one am glad the next venue's pool area will be just that, not a focal point of the con.

hello kenney
10-06-2003, 05:01 PM
re: the pool-

I heard security tell people they could swim, only not in full clothes or costumes.

Hotels dont usually allow people to swim in non-swimming type clothes because it might result in a bunch of debris clogging up the pool filters (at least thats what I was told once at a hotel when one of my friends was asked to get out because he had regular street clothes on...)

cactusmomma
10-06-2003, 05:05 PM
the girl with the cuts was more upset that security was following her and such...it may have been better if someone had come up and asked 'hey are you ok?' instead of security going to her room going 'we need to check this situation out' and thus making her more upset :x but that's just my 2 cents

since this is starting to seem like a gripe thread..just throwing in my biggest irk about the con...there should have been a designated smoking area somewhere..it was rather..unpleasant being around people smoking in the pool area and stuff since there was children, pregnant people and there may have been asthmatics as well in the same area :x x.x

L to the 3rd
10-06-2003, 05:17 PM
-snort- this is what my big beef was with this con. @_@

I was actually stopped and asked to go check a pair of KNITTING NEEDLES. I mean.. wtf?! What am I gonna do? Knit you a scarf and then beat you with it? @_@


ROFLMAO!!! XD ~~~
that is taking it waay to far though..
hmm..Even tho' i had the fFx-2 guns..no one stopped me..

FlameSniperRei
10-06-2003, 05:27 PM
And the fact that there is no life gaurd really sucks. x_x; People want to swim reallllllly badly and denying them that right during con hours is kinda sad. Is it really that expensive to hire one?


Other than that I have no complaints whatsoever. AM was FUN!!!!!!! :D

We never said people couldn't swim. Unless that got lost in translation during our meetings. We didn't want people getting pushed, thrown, etc. in full clothing. If people had bathing gear, no sweat. I for one am glad the next venue's pool area will be just that, not a focal point of the con.

I see, well I just heard a lot of people complaining they couldn't swim. know that my boyfriend's costume was more or less a swimsuit, even though it is a costume (Tidus FFX). Again it's ok that it's the rules but there's no need to threaten people to get them out of the pool. I know that if asked nicely people will comply even if it takes a few reminders. :)

katnap007
10-06-2003, 05:28 PM
I also encountered a really rude security volunteer going into the dealer's room during Sunday afternoon. When we were walking in my pass wasn't visible on the front of my costume ~ so he stopped me. I don't think it was rude that he stopped me ~ just the way he did it. He blocked me with his arm and said "Pass." really rudely. When we were leaving we headed towards the door we entered. The same security guy was there with a few friends and blocked me from leaving again, saying something along the lines of: "You can't leave through here. Go to the exit door."

Since it was Sunday afternoon there was hardly anyone around ~ or entering the dealer's room. @_@ I dunno...it just kind sucked to get that kind of attitude from someone.
The friend the security guy was talking to even said that he was being mean. o_o

That was the only problem I had tho. It was funny when I saw this thread topic because I was wondering if anyone else got that vibe. -_-

khamryn
10-06-2003, 05:31 PM
since this is starting to seem like a gripe thread..just throwing in my biggest irk about the con...there should have been a designated smoking area somewhere..it was rather..unpleasant being around people smoking in the pool area and stuff since there was children, pregnant people and there may have been asthmatics as well in the same area :x x.x

Yeah.. people like me. That's why I ended up having to leave instead of stay for Adella's bday dinner, my good inhaler was at home and the one I had wasn't working for some reason.

x_x

positivespace
10-06-2003, 05:33 PM
I think the overzealous security was more of an annoyance for me than a huge gripe. One particular security guard (I believe he was already mentioned in someone else's response.) asked my friends and I at least 3 times on Saturday if our weapons were peacebonded and each time we responded that they were he would then ask if he could play with them for a sec.

Eveil
10-06-2003, 05:35 PM
i had fun on sunday harassing them XD
lionel and al were doing a pose as if they were using their cameras to attack one another, a security member was walking by, i couldnt resist, i shouted out to al and lionel asking them if they had their cameras peacebonded XD
everybody burst out laughing and security gave me the look XD

sorry about that all having to happen to you. ^^;; from the way it looked seemed to be like they were watching certain people.

The securtiy Gaurds looked like they were younger than me. and I'm 18. O_o
Maybe there could be a better screening process to deciding gaurds? It seems a lot of them have stalking issues and that's not cool.

FlameSniperRei
10-06-2003, 05:36 PM
Yeah well it isn't a huge gripe to me either, I just thought that there should be some changes since it was making a lot of people unhappy or pissed off. If it wasn't for their attitude, a lot of people would've had more fun. I don't think the cosplayers acted wrongly. I wouldn't end a conversation with a friend JUST because some security gaurd is telling me to get something peacebonded RIGHT NOW. I would tell him polietly that I will do it in a few minutes after I am done conversing with my friend here. There is no need to threaten people to DO IT NOW OR ELSE, that only gets people angry. It's the entire approach of the security staff that made people not want to comply. If it was like "I'm sorry sir but please get your weapon peacebonded, it's the con rules". then yeah I'm sure they would've. >.>;

positivespace
10-06-2003, 05:44 PM
FlameSniperRei... I think for a lot of the security it was just a case of a little too much ego going into their new positions of authority. If they toned that down, we probably wouldn't have been annoyed as much. ;D

BTW, you make an adorable Yuffie! =)

Dark Vision
10-06-2003, 05:47 PM
OMG, gripe session!!!! some one hold me back!!

Weapons: anything that resembled anything like a weapon was treated as something like kyptonite by some of the securty. though if they were nicer i wouldn't have done this
Situation-
Security- is that peacebonded?
me- no
security- you need to get it peace bonded
me- okay
security- like now
me to my friend- is it still that blue masking tape?
friend- yeah
*pulls out blue masking tape, peace bonded*
me- done *and went my merry way.
It just happened that i had the same tape not that i wanted to screw security's ego(it just became a plus)

A ball... was considered dangerous because some trip over it......

Swimming: this was irratating since I've two costume totally waterproofed... but I wasn't going into the pool with two maybe three security people guarding the pool. Also my friend got kicked out of the jacuzi because there's no life guard. OMG he's gonna drown in the three feet of water, its barely even half his height.

grrr, AM was very fun, the people we meet, the experiences we shared outshines my gripe with security but that's only because all the fun experiences seem to happen when security wasn't around(go figure).

Besides, we had our revenge against pool security already.

Okay i'm done with my gripes.. for now.

LupinSansei
10-06-2003, 05:50 PM
Great cosplay Idea for next year: Ani magic secruity guard.!!

FlameSniperRei
10-06-2003, 05:57 PM
Ok guys this is my proposition. Have all the cosplayers with weapons sign a waiver saying that they will not hold the con responsible for any damages caused by their weapons. Hand these out and have places outside where they can turn them in around the con so it's easy access for them. That way the con doesnt have to worry about taking responsiblity for accidents that may occur. And cosplayers can walk around with pretty much anything except firearms and live steel.

I think this idea will make everyone happy. ^^;

Eveil
10-06-2003, 06:03 PM
Ok guys this is my proposition. Have all the cosplayers with weapons sign a waiver saying that they will not hold the con responsible for any damages caused by their weapons. Hand these out and have places outside where they can turn them in around the con so it's easy access for them. That way the con doesnt have to worry about taking responsiblity for accidents that may occur. And cosplayers can walk around with pretty much anything except firearms and live steel.

I think this idea will make everyone happy. ^^;

sounds like a good idea. Anime Expo has a waiver form including the use of props yet cosplayers still need them to be peace bonded. I don't know, they could try something different.

security gaurds should be worrying more about things more dangerous than constantly asking (& stalking) for weapon check. I've done lots of volunteer work and what they were doing was rather rediculous and way too over the top. It all could've been handled better than that.

FlameSniperRei
10-06-2003, 06:20 PM
FlameSniperRei... I think for a lot of the security it was just a case of a little too much ego going into their new positions of authority. If they toned that down, we probably wouldn't have been annoyed as much. ;D

BTW, you make an adorable Yuffie! =)

*nod* I agree. That's what happens when you give people power to do stuff. x_x; I wouldn't mind being asked to register my weapons as long as it isn't rudely done. I'm sure Revell is going to talk to the security staff and next year this won't even be a problem coz Revell is awesome like that. ^.^.

Ohhh thank you! Your Paine is like *o* awesomness, I don't know if you remember but when I passed you in the hall I complimented you and your friends. I was really impressed with your costumes! :)

-Gina

Taru-chan
10-06-2003, 06:27 PM
HAHA...omg...my CCS wand incident.

Guard: Have you had that weapon checked?
me: uh no...it's a kid's toy.
Guard: I have orders that all weapons need to be checked.
me: It's a kids toy...ages 3 and up. I bought it in a dealer hall.
Guard: here?
me: Uh...sure.
Guard: well lemme ask *to his two-way radio* Uh...I need to know if we need this uh, wand...kids toy...it's pink...a stick...they bought it here...pink wand...does it need to be checked?
Guy on the other end: What?
Guard: This pink CCS wand...it lights up and stuff...does it need to be checked?
Guy: Uh...no.

HAHA...what a dork. Yah...every AM they get on my case about my "weapons". This year it was my Clow Key and my Cresant Wish nunchakus and last year my Silence Glaive...with a CARDBOARD blade.

^_^;;

FlameSniperRei
10-06-2003, 07:09 PM
~.~ some security staff (even at other cons) don't understand that some "weapons" aren't even weapons. Cardboard things and children toys are less of a threat then a mere pencil, trust me. And it's not like we're swinging them around or hitting people with it, then I'd understand if security would want that to be stopped.

At Comic Con I was forced to register my Yuffie shirken even tho' I explained to them it wasn't a weapon and it almost broke in half (it broke on one side) just from someone brushing past me and that it's made from the lightest form of cardboard yet they still made me register. uh... IT CANT HURT ANYONE, PEOPLE WILL HURT IT. >.>;

positivespace
10-06-2003, 07:30 PM
*nod* I agree. That's what happens when you give people power to do stuff. x_x; I wouldn't mind being asked to register my weapons as long as it isn't rudely done. I'm sure Revell is going to talk to the security staff and next year this won't even be a problem coz Revell is awesome like that. ^.^.

Yeah, good customer service is key to happy customers/costumers. ;D

Ohhh thank you! Your Paine is like *o* awesomness, I don't know if you remember but when I passed you in the hall I complimented you and your friends. I was really impressed with your costumes! :)

-Gina

Ahh! Thank you! I remember you... you were in a Squall costume with wings, right? (Unless my brain has completely turned to mush... which is highly likely.) I've checked out your gallery before and you have wonderful stuff too! I'm Cheryll, by the way, hopefully I'll catch you around at the next con! =)

Mink
10-06-2003, 07:36 PM
LOL Im glad Im not the only one. Benda and I about fell over anime style on friday when a security guy came up to us and told Benda she needed to get her cardboard giant spatula (eek I cant spell...the thing Ukyo from Ranma carrys) peace bonded. We were like, what is she going to do, fan someone to death?!

I mean I understand that some things just need to be checked, but these people had EGOS. It was way annoying. I was walking around in my Utena costume and this guy asked me to move my badge three inches to the front (it was at my side a little twords the back).
Me: "Are you for real?"
Him "It needs to be visable"
Me: "I didnt realize my ass wasnt visable!"

Whatever, it was still a great weekend.

Claire
10-06-2003, 07:43 PM
I have an issue with a large portion of the entire Ani-magic staff. While a lot of the peopl I worked closely with were AWSOME and kick much ass, most of the random volunteers, "security" people, and a lot of the people around during the Masquerade were EXTREMELY rude to me. I had several instances were staffers would give me crap about not believing I was on masquerade staff. Why? Because I "don't look like one of Tristen Citrine's friends." WTF? I'm sorry, that's just plain RUDE - and I got that a LOT.



During the Revue show, after I'd had a pretty bad asthma attack (this con was one big asthma attack for me X______X), some guys walked up behind me and blew smoke RIGHT AT MY HEAD. First of all, I am EXTREMELY allergic to tabacco, so instantly my throat closed up and and it started having an affect, and second, why the heck would you light up in a heavily crowded area where noooooo one else is smoking? Everyone else was being extremely considerate and taking their cigs to the back of the crowd. So I was a little peeved and turned around, coughing and covering my mouth, to see who the heck was doing that. I saw the two guys, and one of them said something that I did not hear, and the other one LAUGHED. What. The. HECK? I was SO ANGRY! Here I am trying not to DIE and I'm getting LAUGHED AT? I said, not very loudly as I was choking, "I am allergic to that, fuck off!" and dashed away to try and clear my lungs. A little while later, the rest of Hizashigumi came back to the room and told me some lady had a huge cow over me saying the F-word to these guys, and had insisted that the one who said something had apologized. Well, I did NOT hear him even though I was right there infront of him, and the other guy laughed at me - how the heck was I supposed to know he was APOLOGIZING? Yeah RIGHT! I thought, well, whatever, if it was important someone would come talk to me about it and I'd apologize The next night at the Masquerade, there was a bit of drama over finding a table for the prizes. I was put in charge of finding a table, regardless of the fact that I am NOT at-con staff and have noooooo idea where ANYTHING is kept. I asked a woman who, so I was told, was a fairly important person for the con and who had been ordering people around and whatnot all evening. She ... laughed at me. She laughed at my face as if I'd told a really funny joke. Confused, I asked her if she knew where someone was who could help me find a table. She continued to laugh, and then walked away. Later I found out this was the woman who had the freak out over me using the F-word. Oooookay, REAL mature there. I know I have a potty mouth - I will be the FIRST ONE to admit that - but it's honestly NOT a big deal and could have been handled. WHY the heck would you purposely make it harder to get things done during the masquerade just because you were ticked off at someone?! I just don't get it.



Overall I got a lot of crap from a ton of people - I know I have a tendancy to be a bit, uh, agressive, but I was VERY well behaived this year, if I do say so myself! Even Revell commented on how mellow I was! ^^; So I was pretty peeved on the general treatement I got from the staff because I'm not OMG super popular l337 cosplayer.

HOWEVER, this did not put a major damped on my AM experience. I had a blast this year!

cactusmomma
10-06-2003, 08:05 PM
my biggest thing about the smoking is that i don't wanna go for an ultrasound in 2 months (i'm 15 weeks pregnant right now) and find something is the matter with my baby caused by second hand smoke..i mean jeebus god jr chrystler...if that happens i WILL find out who was smoking and will come and take care of you ala jay and silent bob >:

L to the 3rd
10-06-2003, 08:15 PM
Yeah, good customer service is key to happy customers/costumers. ;D



Ahh! Thank you! I remember you... you were in a Squall costume with wings, right? (Unless my brain has completely turned to mush... which is highly likely.) I've checked out your gallery before and you have wonderful stuff too! I'm Cheryll, by the way, hopefully I'll catch you around at the next con! =)



ara... me = squall with tiny wings *flit flit flit* but I can
understand your mistake cuz we are twins!! heheh!!!
i took a pic with you i think!

*edit* oh yea..you did take a pic w/ me..when I was
gunner Paine!! =D

FlameSniperRei
10-06-2003, 08:18 PM
*reads Claire's post* Damn x_x; That really sucks. If I were you I'd be ultra pissed. Good for you for not loosing your cool and not letting that stuff get to you.

Michi
10-06-2003, 08:19 PM
In that case I think my folks were justified in making sure she was alright.

I'm gonna comment on this too, as the girl with cuts on her arms was part of my group and is a good friend of mine.
They weren't just making sure she was alright... They were interrogating her and making her feel very uncomfortable, and following her around. =/ She was really upset afterwards. Apparently quite a few of our group (I wasn't there but I got the full story) had to explain that she was taking her meds and that she was fine, etc etc. Nnn.

I understand wanting everyone to be safe, from the peacebonding to the pool to incidents like my friend, but.. c'mon.. Being a little more polite and understanding never hurt anyone. I don't remember any attendee at Ani-Magic being horribly rude. It's such a nice, friendly atmosphere.. You don't have to treat us all like deliquents.

Yeah, okay, first it was "You can't be in the pool" and then it was "You can't splash in the pool"... Yay for misinformed security.. n.n

And like Renegade said, what was up with the smoking? I don't remember it being that way the past two years. I was sitting in the hottub and people were smoking right around me, and I had to leave because I couldn't breathe. ~_~ Not to mention the people with health conditions that were brought up.. geez.

Kay I was gonna say something else but now I can't remember. XD I'm still exhausted from the con. The security problems really didn't affect me that badly and I had a great time, but I hated hearing about all this stuff. =/

L to the 3rd
10-06-2003, 08:53 PM
And like Renegade said, what was up with the smoking? I don't remember it being that way the past two years. I was sitting in the hottub and people were smoking right around me, and I had to leave because I couldn't breathe. ~_~ Not to mention the people with health conditions that were brought up.. geez.




there were a lot of ppl smoking..i was
like trying to fan it away..and a Neo cosplayer (matrix)
was a real gentleman about it and said ''oh i'm sorry..''
and he left to go smoke somewhere else. then right
after he left, someone else started smoking >_>;;
next to us

Kusanagi
10-06-2003, 09:17 PM
I stayed at the Town House hotel (right next to the AVI) and I was stopped by the hotel manager right at checkout time, and he said this to me.

"You know, every night at this hotel there are problems. Noise complaints and the like. But the last two days have been perfect. You all are welcome back here at any time you want to. I saw all these people come in in costume with prop weapons and I was prepared for all sorts of problems. But there hasn't been a single one. Thank you for that and I hope to see you guys again!"

Nova
10-06-2003, 09:27 PM
Dude I wanted to punch staff. Specialy this one guy who was like all pissy when someone jumped in the pool and got like, ONE droplet of water on his poster, he was like "OMG I payed for this! 25 cents is money!"
Grow up pansy -.-
The other secutiry person was an ass because he kept yelling at everyone who was swimming to not splash.
I wanted to get a group to go over to him, pick him up in the chair he was sitting in and just throw him in! X.x -rant done-

Wolfgirl
10-06-2003, 09:37 PM
I'm sorry to complain but I think the security staff needed to not be so rude when having cosplayers check in their weapons. Too many of my friends had gripes about how they were constantly bothered by the AM security. It might be easier to have a booth outdoors for cosplayers to check in their weapons rather than having to escort them all the way to con ops as if they're being "taken down to the station". Dude these people didn't commit a crime, why do cosplayers have be treated like criminals? x_x;

And the fact that there is no life gaurd really sucks. x_x; People want to swim reallllllly badly and denying them that right during con hours is kinda sad. Is it really that expensive to hire one?


Other than that I have no complaints whatsoever. AM was FUN!!!!!!! :D

I agree with you. I was in the dealers room and some security person aproched me and for what> for carrying a 3 inch dagger made of styrofoam and some paint? what am i going to do paper cut someone to death or fan them to death. maybe it was the fumes from the paint they where afraid it might engulf in flames or something?

They did'nt make me do that at AX or Comic con. IT"S STYRO FOAM not metal people LOL

Crazy Bunta
10-06-2003, 09:43 PM
The security was the first thing I think we all wanted to talk about when we got back. They were horrid.

I was so glad that Rengade Pocky took back the pool on Sunday and that 3 specific people, (Will, Mike and Wi) jumped in and splashed all the security that were yelling at everyone for no real reason. Hehehehe.

Sagara-san
10-06-2003, 09:52 PM
The thing about my BR Kitano gun was I didn't have it peace bonded until I was in the dealer room and one of the security came up to one guy and told him to get his weapon peace bonded. I then realized I needed to do this to so I asked the same guy where to go and I showed him my gun *which I kept in my draws or pants...whatever you call them* then he told me where to go. When I got there I was waiting for like 5min. *felt like an hour* of constant ranting until some security dude *I think it was Rob* asked me what I was doing here then finally it got peace bonded. Dayum you don't get your weapon peace bonded and they force you too or else, then there's people like me who wanted to get the weapon peace bonded AND THEY IGNORE YOU! *(&%#$%@* :eeek:

Rogue Marvel
10-06-2003, 10:03 PM
I had no real issues with security...the only run in i had was I was asked by one of them to put on some shoes. i explaned that I thought you only needed shoes in the hall and he replied that they were necessary since some one had steped in glass earlier. Oh course my friend had my bag with my shoes in them so I couldn't put them on and I told him that.

He seemed a little irritated but he said I could go back to my hotel to find them or wait by the pool.

I found them put on my shoes and all was well.

Psychotic Jei
10-06-2003, 10:15 PM
I think I had a run in with some of the guards that wanted you to have your badges on at all times. We were just walking around the con and were heading past the videogame room and were yelled at by some people about not having them.

Generally, there was alot of yelling going on, and many of the staff were treating people like children.

Crazy Bunta
10-06-2003, 10:36 PM
I know I'll regret adding this, but the security were very insulting to everyone on stage during the masquerade. I wanted to tell them to shut up so bad!!! I don't know what their deal was, but they were obnoxious.

Where the heck did they find these guys? Most of them seemed like they were still in middle school.

Sana-chan
10-06-2003, 10:44 PM
They peace-bonded my Yuna guns which had to have been the biggest shocker of my life lol. At both AX and CC the security LAUGHED at them because they thought they were so pathetically fake O_o;;;.

cactusmomma
10-06-2003, 10:46 PM
The security was the first thing I think we all wanted to talk about when we got back. They were horrid.

I was so glad that Rengade Pocky took back the pool on Sunday and that 3 specific people, (Will, Mike and Wi) jumped in and splashed all the security that were yelling at everyone for no real reason. Hehehehe.

hehe it was fun trying to throw that miroku in XD

her: *not going even though rest of group tried getting her in*
me: *walks up* can i have your babies!?!
her: *not expecting that..guard down*
me* SOAKING GLOMP* XD

Daitenshi
10-06-2003, 10:51 PM
I didn't have an issue with security, but I did have issues with the inconsiderate smokers who attended the con. Smoke, fine, it's your right to mess up your body..... but please do so away from small children and large crowds. I have a very hard time with the smoke (my throat closes up, eyes start watering, coughing, etc etc etc).... and it was far from pleasant to be sitting at the masquerade and have people light up and wave their smoke everywhere. Ugh.

So in short I'd like to add my support for a designated smoking area for the next AM. ^_^

Crazy Bunta
10-06-2003, 10:55 PM
hehe it was fun trying to throw that miroku in XD

her: *not going even though rest of group tried getting her in*
me: *walks up* can i have your babies!?!
her: *not expecting that..guard down*
me* SOAKING GLOMP* XD

I got that on video!!! hahahaha. I so need to send that to you!

Eveil
10-06-2003, 11:03 PM
my biggest thing about the smoking is that i don't wanna go for an ultrasound in 2 months (i'm 15 weeks pregnant right now) and find something is the matter with my baby caused by second hand smoke..i mean jeebus god jr chrystler...if that happens i WILL find out who was smoking and will come and take care of you ala jay and silent bob >:

aww, not cool.
but, YAY! a chibi King? XD lol

~The other King in Al's costume

Eurobeat King
10-06-2003, 11:53 PM
I wanted to drop-kick that little girl who was ordering the cosplayers around back-stage, trying to act all high-and-mighty. When we gathered on the left side of the stage (before going on) Nessa told me and my group to line up on the side, away from the gate with the bars, because our Initial D cars were big and bulky, so we needed to be away from the other groups. But that little girl came up to us shortly after our cars were "parked" and lined-up, barking at us to get in line with the rest.. We told her we were told by a "higher authority" than her to stay put, and she gave us attitude. And then later, she had the NERV to ask us "are you guys from an anime? I thought you were doing something from 2 Fast, 2 Furious.." :sulk: grrrr.. She should've been the sacrifice that Rob Miles had thrown into the pool.. :bigtu: Anybody else in the masquerade have any problems with that little spore?

Eveil
10-07-2003, 12:22 AM
ooh no! ;_; I'm so sorry about that Al, if I went with you to do the skit I'd have beat her butt. XD I got your back. ^_~

cactusmomma
10-07-2003, 12:22 AM
i think she was just really nervous about trying to keep things in order with all that..and i don't think many people listened to her ^^;;;;;;;

edit: and bunta! yes! yes you do!! XD it was just so lovely and random XD

Claire
10-07-2003, 12:35 AM
Pocky's right - everyone working backstage was really frazzled and stressed out because of people doing DUMB things (like not telling the masquerade staff we needed 25 seats for the club card members until TEN MINUTES before it started). I'm sure she didn't mean any serious offense - both the local girls on masquerade staff were VERY helpfull and the masq wouldn't have gone on as smoothly as it did without them.

Crazy Bunta
10-07-2003, 12:37 AM
i think she was just really nervous about trying to keep things in order with all that..and i don't think many people listened to her ^^;;;;;;;

edit: and bunta! yes! yes you do!! XD it was just so lovely and random XD


Here it is LOL!!!!

http://www.cosplaymedia.com/glomp.gif

Renegade Pocky Water GLOMP!!!! (http://www.cosplaymedia.com/waterglomp.wmv)

Psychotic Jei
10-07-2003, 01:05 AM
I wanted to drop-kick that little girl who was ordering the cosplayers around back-stage, trying to act all high-and-mighty. When we gathered on the left side of the stage (before going on) Nessa told me and my group to line up on the side, away from the gate with the bars, because our Initial D cars were big and bulky, so we needed to be away from the other groups. But that little girl came up to us shortly after our cars were "parked" and lined-up, barking at us to get in line with the rest.. We told her we were told by a "higher authority" than her to stay put, and she gave us attitude. And then later, she had the NERV to ask us "are you guys from an anime? I thought you were doing something from 2 Fast, 2 Furious.." :sulk: grrrr.. She should've been the sacrifice that Rob Miles had thrown into the pool.. :bigtu: Anybody else in the masquerade have any problems with that little spore?


Oooh! She needed to change the way she was speaking to people. She was one of the people that I mentioned were treating people like children. She was like all yelling at us to get in line behind number three... and that was where we were at.

I didn't appreciate having someone not treating me with any amount of respect. Not only that but someone younger than me.

allyunion
10-07-2003, 02:13 AM
I was talking to Baron (thecrazyotaku) and the rest of the BACA boys about the security and that at this con, it was the reverse about the "did you get that weapon checked?" I have a Shinai. I was stopped once, the first time I arrived. After that, I wasn't stopped once. This is a surprise to me, since at both Fanime and Anime Expo, I was stopped every 4 or 6 hours while wandering in my Yahiko costume.

As for the smokers, I don't care if Spike smokes. Don't do it around me, please. Especially when the hotel has regulations on where you can and can not smoke.

Kinovas
10-07-2003, 02:40 AM
I remember Baron getting stopped and asked about peace bonding
every time he even touched a weapon. And other people were swinging
theirs about around him.

The best was when he nearly decapitated a security guy and the guy
just told him he had a cool sword. The time he was actually trying to get
stopped.

Usagi Mylene
10-07-2003, 03:15 AM
Here are my little rants!

1. THE SMOKING!!! I can not breath when I get smoke blown in my face. I was holding a friends weapon for a BR photo. Someone came up to us and started going off about the weapon. While this was going on, someone light up a smoke near me. He's just smoking right there next to me and my friend. He walks away and the gaurd is still going off about the GREEN WATER GUN!! When I tell him how come he doesn't say something to the smoker who light up right in front of me. You know what he said?

"Why? Your gun can hurt someone. Smoking doesn't."

Yes, the small green water gun will poke my eye out but having some guy light up and blow smoke near me will not damage my health.

Wasn't there a place where smokers could go and smoke without being around so many people?

2. After a point, I had my badge filled with Pins that I bought from the dealers room. When I tried to go in on Saturday, I had the guy standing hear the door asking for my badge. I should it to him and he told me it wasn't the AM badge. I told him it was. He told me to take the pins off. I took the one pin that was covering the girls face on the badge. He told me it wasn't good enough. I had to take them all off. >.<

3. Whoever that little girl was during the masquerade needs to chill!! I'm sorry but I don't care who you are and how old you are but you do not yell at me. She was yelling at the Initial D group for not being in line with the rest. @.@!
Of course we weren't the only one. She was going off on everyone that was waiting.


So yeah, Security needs to learn some respect either that or don't use kids. Get some adults or find some mature teens.

Otherwise, I enjoyed my time there dispite those three incidents.

SporkNinja
10-07-2003, 03:29 AM
I dunno.. security never once stopped me.. and on Sunday my friend and I were walking around with two shinken... We just got them peace bonded first thing and the security didn't even look twice at us.

As for the little girl... Have any of you ever been young and told you have to get a crowd of people under control? She seemed plenty frazzled and nervous to me.. and when I spoke politely to her, she was polite back. She even ran around for me when I asked her if it was going to be much longer before the masq started (this about 2 minutes before the Matrix skit happened, and we were standing around in highheels, feet hurting like CRAZY). She was very nice to my group of girls...

I heard a lot of people had problemw ith smokers... I, very luckily it seems, only had one instance of finding myself down wind of a smoker... Actually, we had trouble finding a smoker when we wanted to bum a cigarette for a photographic purpose only... =^^;= And while I certainly got very lucky with not having to deal with smokers, I think it's always a good idea to designate smoking areas, or at least tell them not around the pool area, considering that seemed to be the most crowded of places.

Besides that... my only thought was, that there was more programming last year... I dunno.. I really didn't have any gripes about the con... I mean, our sound got screwed up.. but that was due to a miscommunication.. and the masq staff worked hard and effectively to fix it.. so I am grateful.

I honestly can't wait for next year's con! =^^= I hope I get to see some of you great people at YaoiCon! I might even go to Recca.. and I heard something about a mini con thing at the Metreon? who knows! whee! I'm all amped to cosplay more now!

AM Chair
10-07-2003, 08:16 AM
Minasan,
To those of you who had a rough time with our security people's attitudes, again, you have my appology and a promise to make certain we will fix them as we plan for next year. As Kenny pointed out though, it's two way street as some staff got ignored when they were asked to comply, so they had to turn into assholes. After all, were working with a demographic that doesn't really respond well to authority, and also when put into such position tends to go a little over the top.

The comments expressed here are legitmate complaints, but I can't go and slam my people for doing their job. The respect issue between attendee and staff will be adressed, as this makes us no better than the huge events when we get hassled. I know the feeling and I don't like it.

Rather than talk about them here, please send your comments to me at chairman@ani-magic.org, in a reasoned respectful tone outlining the incident that occurred. I'll make sure they get to the person responsible.

I like Gina's suggestion for the weapons policy, which will be reviewed.
But I have to say as well that a handfull of you did flaunt our registration by not paying to be in the event like everyone else and just hang out in the pool area. That's cheesy behavior, and the rest of you ought not put up with it. Granted our admission was steep, but you're cheating your fellow fans and AM out of a chance to be a good con to attend in future years.

Claire
10-07-2003, 12:19 PM
I think we all understand that it's hard to deal with cosplayers who don't want to give their props up, and that sometimes you get a little cranky - but this wasn't just the people being difficult getting treated poorly by the staff, this was nearly everyone. Hopefully it can be fixed next year!

As for people not paying - that ticked me off SO badly. I mean, I have serious money issues, and I barely made it to the con - but I payed for my friggin' discounted staff badge and I worked the ENTIRE weekend, because to get that discount you have to work. I probably worked more than was necessary but I wanted to help this con be fun. There was a member of the masquerade staff who payed for her discounted badge, then flaked and did not lift a finger that weekend - we were SO pissed off. That's just not cool.

People who pay for staff badges and don't work, or just show up and don't buy a badge at all are STEALING from the con. The con is paying for your ability to sit around at the pool, and the con is paying for this fun cosplay atmosphere you've driven up to Lancaster to hang out in. Not paying is just sooooooo lame. I mean, there were people who showed up late and weren't planning on paying, but ended up being a huge help in running the masquerade, so it all evened out. Have some pride, people! Help AM out!

Eveil
10-07-2003, 12:49 PM
As for the little girl... Have any of you ever been young and told you have to get a crowd of people under control? She seemed plenty frazzled and nervous to me.. !

Hey, I was one of the volunteers who was coordinating the line for the AMVs at AX. XD
That line was hectic. I was asked to make sure the people who wanted to get in stayed in line, & keep designated lines, etc..
I was polite as possible and never once got into a situation where it was out of hand and tried not to make anyone angry.

I can understand she was nervous, but it can be handled better.

Eveil
10-07-2003, 12:51 PM
I remember Baron getting stopped and asked about peace bonding
every time he even touched a weapon. And other people were swinging
theirs about around him.

The best was when he nearly decapitated a security guy and the guy
just told him he had a cool sword. The time he was actually trying to get
stopped.

LOL, I remember that! Poor Baron ^^;;
I cracked the joke pointing to Baron's pixy head saying "hey...is that peace bonded?" that was great XD

Usagi Mylene
10-07-2003, 01:11 PM
I think the little girl was too young to handle it. She was yelling and screaming at people. Being respectful would of gotten her a little far with us then yelling at us like we are 3 years old.

I understand that it is a 2 way street. But my rants came from being told all that stuff and I was respectful to them. I stood there, without saying anything and took all my pins off off the bagde. then he just stood there staring at the bagde. he finally let me in.

All I want is next year to have a place only for the smokers. I would like to keep my health so I can attend AM 2005. ^.^

FlameSniperRei
10-07-2003, 01:27 PM
Security -
I think the main thing that needs to change is the masquerade and security staff's attitude. I understand that people are under stress and get frustrated but that is NO excuse to take it out on innocent people. Perhaps some training on how to handle incidents would better prepare staff for what they're in for so they don't take our their frustrations on other people. :) I think that would change a lot and make everyone happier. People are willing to comply if asked nicely for the most part. Perhaps having security guards actually having the tape with them would eliminate the issue of having people go to con ops to get it registered. At least this way security can check the weapon themselves and the cosplayers can get it taped right then and there and not have to go anywhere to get it done. (I think this is what AX does)

Cosplayers, we can't be so defiant - rules are rules regardless. Even though some members of the Security staff were a$$holes to us it doesn't give any of us the right to completely ignore the rules out of sheer defiance. Just get your weapons peace bonded and registered when asked, it's really no big deal. You shouldn't have to do it like right then and there when they ask, but just do it as soon as you can.

Pool - Since AM is moving locations I don't think the pool thing will be an issue anymore. Other cons have the hotel staff handle any pool situations it seems. Perhaps posting rules near the pool would clarify things.

Smoking -
Simply having "no smoking" signs in areas where most people congregate would alleviate most of the smoking problems. Or if someone is smoking, just ask them to smoke elsewhere. I am sure some people would be fine with moving to another area.

-Gina

cactusmomma
10-07-2003, 02:31 PM
Here it is LOL!!!!
Renegade Pocky Water GLOMP!!!! (http://www.cosplaymedia.com/waterglomp.wmv)


OH YE HEAVENLY GODS IT HAS SOUND _._ XD *dies laughing*

and if anyone is wondering what was being said to get her guard down it was something to the effect of 'can i have your children?'

Al Bundy
10-07-2003, 06:04 PM
Giving security responsibilities to 15 year olds is wrong. I had allot of problems being stared at by these zit faced punks. They actually followed us around and just stared. We got so annoyed by it we left the con before the masq (which we came to see) because we didn't want to get into it with the little twerps. I understand that security at cons is a tough job but I've never been bothered like I was at Ani-Magic. That, lack of programming, and location is why I'm not returning next year. It's not worth the headache just to see some people and hang out.

JoeBoeing
10-07-2003, 07:32 PM
I have no real gripes with the security. Okay just one gripe. I was on the 2nd floor of the 3 story building and I walked a friend to the 1st floor and a security guy saw me in the hall and asked me to put on shoes if I'm leaving the room.

My main gripe (besides the pre-reg incident) is with the smokers.

I had to leave a couple people I was chatting with because in the pool area because there was a guy who went through 3 cigerettes in like 5 minutes.

I didn't see the people again and I never got their contact info.

As a person who never had alcohole or a cigerette in my 29 years I've been on this earth I'd like to keep it the stuff out of my system.

I can stand upwind from smokers but after a bit even the smell starts to shallow my breating.

I had to rest and shower thanks to this walking smokestak and because of him I missed pre-regging for next year.

I was taking very shallow breathes for about 40 min after leaving him.

I'd like to see a designated smoking area at cons.

From,
Joe

hello kenney
10-07-2003, 07:42 PM
I hope I didnt bother anyone with my smoking- I tried to either smoke outside the pool area, off in an unpopulated area somewhere- or if the pool area wasnt very crowded, I would find a corner with no one near.

I saw a few people smoking in crowded areas and was surprised - I didnt see anyone smoking in the masq crowd, but that is totally unacceptable.

I hope I didnt annoy anyone with the smoking- thats me in the avatar, so if you remember it being me, feel free to bitch at me.

Zhin
10-07-2003, 08:35 PM
Hello. I also hope that I didn't cause any problems for anyone with my smoking. I was very careful and even asked people around me if they were bothered by it. Thankfully most of them were like "That's ok, I'm a smoker as well". One of them who said that looked like she was 16 years old. O_o I also made sure it was a clear open spot without no one hanging around.

And about security not bothered about smokers, they bugged the hell out of me even though I was standing on top of the giant potted plant thing in front of the pool opposite the stage blowing smoke upwards into the air (the smoke will normall go upwards no matter what and mine was going upwards).

So I moved to the corner near the game room, standing on top of the huge rock to finish off my cigarette... only to be harressed by another pimpled face 'guard' who pointed out that apparently my smoke was bugging some woman who had an asthma attack. That freaked me out even though I am 100% sure I didn't do it. And after reading Claire's post I'm dead sure that's not me laughing or with a friend since I was by myself at that time.

Anyway I'm the asian dude who cosplayed Gackt... And when I was out of costume I still had the make up on. If you saw me smoking amongst people it's either because they were told me it was ok after I asked (I still stood at least 10 feet away from them and blew the smoke up) or they walked into the empty spot I picked for a cig-break. If I did make someone suffer from my smoke I'm terribly sorry.

EDIT: and yeah, please do mention it if I did. And I myself was pretty shocked at some guys who just smoked around the little kids and crowds. Initially I didn't even want to smoke during the con but after seeing those guys I thought it was ok as long as I didn't bother anyone.

Claire
10-07-2003, 10:39 PM
I generally try not to make a big deal out of people smoking around me, but that was just like, the last straw for my sanity in a long, long day. X_x

Not to sound like a jerk or anything, but with all the trouble you guys go to stay away from people because you KNOW smoking causes such a problem, maybe you'd get the hint and quit?

Zhin
10-08-2003, 03:30 AM
LOL XD

Before I start I juust want to say that I study in an art school and basically everyone around me smokes so it usually hardly bothers anyone at all. Mainly because the majority of art students here are smokers.

ANYWAY it's funny how you mentioned that because I was trying to quit during the con itself but after going half a day without a ciggy (I'm a chain smoker >_<) I almost went insane. Only people who smoke or used to smoke would understand just how bad it is. I knew someone who made rolls of paper that resemble cigarettes to put between their lips so that they could 'feel better'... hehehe

I went insane like Sorata from X on crack. :D

But I am going to quit again really soon. I don't want to die young and I can't afford cigarettes here in San Francisco. T_T


Ok, enough about ciggy's... this thread isn't about it in the first place.

skyknyt
10-08-2003, 10:11 AM
We never said people couldn't swim. Unless that got lost in translation during our meetings. We didn't want people getting pushed, thrown, etc. in full clothing. If people had bathing gear, no sweat. I for one am glad the next venue's pool area will be just that, not a focal point of the con.

I was told, specifically "get out of the pool, we don't have a lifeguard, you can't be in it." Now, granted, my first entrance into the pool was for a photoshoot, and I'm willing to accept that, but later I was sitting in the spa and told the same thing. The SPA!

Nevermind that my costume was designed and built *specifically* out of waterproof/swimwear materials.

Worse yet, during the masquerade, we were told to get out of the spa because of "electrical wiring" nearby. Excuse me?

All my bitching aside, this is one of the best cons I've ever been to, but it really cheeses me off to hear that I was being lied to by security.

skye

skyknyt
10-08-2003, 10:17 AM
They peace-bonded my Yuna guns which had to have been the biggest shocker of my life lol. At both AX and CC the security LAUGHED at them because they thought they were so pathetically fake O_o;;;.

hahaha... I'm surprised they didn't peace bond my blitzball. Last year they had me peace bond my ROSE!

skye

cactusmomma
10-08-2003, 12:54 PM
don't get me started on roses >P *looks for that miroku to proposition again XD*

Kusanagi
10-08-2003, 03:35 PM
>That, lack of programming, and location is why I'm not returning next year. It's not worth the headache just to see some people and hang out.

Bye Al. You won't be missed.

I for one only had one problem with security and that was when I was heading to give Mochihead her staff I made for her. Security asked me to peacebond it and I said it was for a friend sitting near the stage. He said "OK" and left it at that. But then again, I didn't have anything that could remotely be considered a weapon that weekend unless you count the Kuwabara wig of d00m.

FlameSniperRei
10-08-2003, 07:51 PM
Yeah there was no need for security to threaten people by saying "we're going to kick you out if you don't do it" and it's not like people said "no I won't" they just said they would but like in a minute and I bet they would've done it if security wasn't barking at them to do it NOW or else. NO one likes to be threatened or belittled. That's the feeling that I got from the security staff overall. ~.~ *sigh*

ai no hoshi
10-08-2003, 11:16 PM
i didn't have any weapon problems with security, but when i went into the dealers room wearing my mai costume a security guy said:
"are you wearing anything under that?"
i thought he was some pervert so i gave him a 'that's none of your business' look. then he very rudely said:
"if you're not wearing anything under it, i have to take your badge."
so i told him that i was wearing nylons, and he said "oh, well it doesn't look like it." so i walked away.

what a jerk! i never saw anything in the cosplay rules that said leg revealing costumes were not allowed. the only thing it said was something like "don't go to 7-11 in skimpy costumes." and it's not like my boobs and ass were hanging out. believe me, i was as covered up as i could be while wearing that costume! i've seen other mai cosplayers who bear it all! o.O

i understand it's a family friendly con, but why did i get stoped for showing a little leg and vash was allowed to get nekkid? now that's not family friendly! :eek:


BTW: the girl yelling at everyone back stage was not a "little girl"... she was 16. i heard her telling someone.

Michi
10-08-2003, 11:51 PM
ai no hoshi ~ Geez! Your Mai is so conservative; I'm surprised! I would have yelled at that security dude for you. :p

cactusmomma
10-09-2003, 12:19 AM
speaking of family friendly..issit true that manfaye had shown but was told that he 'couldn't wear that'? :P

and hoshi..shoulda found me before the cvs gathering and i coulda put on say..michi's..mai cos :P then gone huntin :3

Michi
10-09-2003, 01:43 AM
XD Renegade, you just gave me an idea. Want to get together and switch costumes for photos? ^o^ Mai in King and King in Mai? XDDDD

...okay I'll stop spamming here sorry. ^^;

cactusmomma
10-09-2003, 02:06 AM
hell it was done for art with leona so whyyy~yyyyyy not? XD halloween perhaps? XD

Michi
10-09-2003, 03:10 AM
Haha that's right XD I have that art. Nyaaa we'll hafta come see you soonish. :D

Um anyway watch me be on topic. n.n; At least.. the location is changing and we probably won't have quite as many problems next year. The pool will be there, but not in the central event area. :p

cactusmomma
10-10-2003, 05:22 PM
too perfect XD

http://comics.com/comics/roseisrose/archive/images/roseisrose2003114637010.gif

Nietsche
10-10-2003, 06:36 PM
Nothing's perfect, the staff didn't really bother me this time round....
I was expecting to have to get my inflatable baseball bat peacebonded but nope...even waved it about and people grabbed it and waved it about and nothing from the staff...hmmmm....
Still is it worth me going next year? make the 10 hour trip from merry olde England....only time can tell....

AM Chair
10-11-2003, 10:08 AM
Nothing's perfect, the staff didn't really bother me this time round....
I was expecting to have to get my inflatable baseball bat peacebonded but nope...even waved it about and people grabbed it and waved it about and nothing from the staff...hmmmm....
Still is it worth me going next year? make the 10 hour trip from merry olde England....only time can tell....

'Course you'll be back! I know it's better than rising damp in October ( lived there for three years stationed RAF Upper Heyford) and besides you gotta see our new venue!

Okay, as for the rest of these complaints, If you want resolution you can do two things:

1. Make some of these comments known on our BBS, so the proper people can make note of it. I think there's only three of us from AM who frequent this board, so talking about it here is kind of pointless.

2. If you really consider the complaint serious, make a formal complaint through the contact section of our web site. Outline the incident and what happened.

I agree that you should have been able to swim, and technically you could, but some of our people aparently were not instructed properly. In the past there have been way too many incidents of people being thrown in or pushed, and we just were'nt going to risk someone getting injured this year.

It's a good thing that the Hyatt has a pool you can enjoy as a guest. What ever goes on there won't be our business, unless the hotel tells us otherwise during our planning for next year. But I don't think they will approve of cosplayers fowling the water with costume bits that could fall off and mess the filters up

Rest assured that we will review our weapons policy, how its enforced, and review our staffing of security. My belief is that security should be just on the horizon, it's there but unnoticed. The weapons policy needs to let common sense be the guding factor as we have in the past. It went way over the top and even we recognize that.

But be advise that we're going to a fine facility and I'd hate to see a few goofballs mess it up for the rest of us. So be on your best behavior in 2004. After all, we are reacting to antics some of you perpetrated in the past.

With that, I've had enough of my security staff getting bashed. Please lock this thread.

LupinSansei
10-11-2003, 11:03 AM
I have not put in my two cents yet.....I really didnt like secruity cuz this one dude (fat, glasses, and ugly) Keeped bothering us. Secruity is just a bunch of kids! I only saw one dude with a badge and uniform. You should "pay more" for real professional secruity, or big dudes. My dad told 5 of them it would take all of them to take him down. Do they really know how to deal with a gunman situation? Ok you can lock it now

FlameSniperRei
10-11-2003, 01:14 PM
Thanks Revell. Sorry about bringing it up but I don't think people are bashing Security really. x_x; I mean a lot of the security staff was uncessesarily rude so this was an outlet for those who were mistreated to vent about it. Anyway, I have emailed you my formal complaint which I did not discuss here since it involves a certain security staff member. Again I do apologize for starting this thread - I didn't know it was going to kinda get out of hand. But I've pointed out problems and also came up with solutions so hopefully you saw that I have no ill will against the con or anything, (in fact I LOVE AM!) I just want improvements just like everyone else. I am willing to donate time to even help out next year if my schedule allows it. Anyway, I appriciate you being on top of things and addressing this issue as quickly as you did. Thank you.

-Gina

AM Chair
10-11-2003, 05:34 PM
S'okay Gina, I know your heart's in the right place and thanks for the suggestions

Karisu-sama
10-11-2003, 11:48 PM
This thread seems to be turning into mostly a round-robin of general bitching about AM security. If anyone has serious issues or constructive suggestions for the AM con committee regarding security, you should follow Revell's suggestions and contact them through the Ani-Magic website & BBS, as he would like you to.

http://www.ani-magic.org

This thread is now closed.