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SantuariosYue
12-04-2010, 12:23 AM
Not sure if these are considered historical, but Madam Red's ballgown, and Ciel's crossplay gown are something I desire to make myself, but I'm not sure if I could find a pattern for them, or if they're close to historical at all.

Madam Red, from a cosplay store:

http://www.vendio.com/stores/azcostume/item?lid=5833271&source=Vendio:Google%20Product%20Search

And Ciel from a store:


http://www.vendio.com/stores/azcostume/item?lid=5833271&source=Vendio:Google%20Product%20Search

Mehdia
12-04-2010, 02:03 AM
You might want to hit up the Kuroshitsuji forums in the Anime/Manga section, they could give you more details. But for my everyday Madam Red costume I modified Victorian patterns for the jacket, skirt, and overskirt.

Brsis
12-04-2010, 07:04 AM
It depends on whether you want to look exactly like the pictures in the comic, or more like a historical version of the same costume - Black Butler isn't the most accurate of historical manga ^.^;;; For either one, I'm sure you could find perfectly respectable patterns to adapt in the bridal & evening sections of a regular pattern book (Moreso Madame Red than Ciel, who's dress is obscenely ridiculous and bears almost no relation to any existing garment - modern or historical - I have ever seen. The only part of mine I was able to use a commercial pattern for was the bustle XD )

If you want to look for something more historical - for my Ciel I'm using the most accurate (Albeit excessively frilly and decorative, but hey, it's Kuroshitsuji) underclothes I can without massively changing the overall shape and appearance of the outer dress - then Madame Red's skirt is very reminiscent of early Victorian clothes, before the invention of the crinoline. I doubt you'll find a historical bodice pattern for that one since sleeveless bodices are a very recent fashion, but there are plenty of them in evening-wear pattern books.

For Ciel's dress there is some discrepancy between the anime and the manga - and actually even between panels in the manga - sometimes it looks like a late cage bustle with a straight drop front and back, and sometimes it has a smaller bustle and an a-line flare. I'm using a Laughing Moon pattern for the bustle and a stiffened (Or possibly wired) flared petticoat, but there are patterns from places like Truly Victorian which will also serve depending on the shape you want.

SantuariosYue
12-05-2010, 02:00 AM
I was wondering if I could use this pattern for Ciels dress, with obvious modification over a hoopskirt. It's saying petticoat, but could be interchangeable? I;m going for a more 'of the manga' look, then the historical accuracy.

For ciel,

http://mccallpattern.mccall.com/m5807-products-9400.php?page_id=110

The bodice is a straight line, as apposed to a heart shaped neckline, which this following pattern has, which is what I'd like to use for madam red

http://mccallpattern.mccall.com/m5321-products-4901.php?page_id=110

Again, wondering if petticoat and hoopskirt are interchangeable, or no.

Brsis
12-05-2010, 03:07 PM
Generally, patterns cut for a 'hoop skirt' have substantially bigger skirts than patterns cut for a 'petticoat'. A modern petticoat is a-line or has a train, whereas a hoop skirt has usually three hoops and is not as neat over the hips. At least, this is my experience.

The shape of the patterns you have would likely work for Ciel, because of the gap in the back of the pink skirt, even if you used a hoop skirt - although expect to do some fiddling around. I would personally look for something with a gathered waist and fuller silhouette for Madame Red and Ciel's underskirts.