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thetrueking
02-01-2011, 05:23 PM
Since people are trying to silence me over at the AM2 forums, I’ll let people know here that Derf Tang or Delta over on those forums and Elcapitan over here cosplay forums is being very war monger like just like Brian Raker was for Anime Expo. I posted some internal problems because I am a staff member and wanted to express an opinion, which has been ignored interally, so I felt people should know. The IT department there is run by a person named Michael Fronk who thus far has decided that his department is more better run by himself only, refusing to ask for outside help when it was obvious that he needs it. The current AM^2 website is the product of over 6 months of work because he himself promised to finish the website back in October and November, while our old Club2TheMax website was still up, but after countless broken promises and lies by him, he finally has put this one up, which apparently has countless issues, especially when one of my friends who is an exhibitor tried to apply for a booth and the system overcharged him. I make a post about this on the forums hoping to get the staff members to do something about what Michael Fronk is doing in hope that the higher-ups would make some kind of changes. If you guys take a look at the website, you will notice that the staff applications and volunteer applications are still not up, many pages point to dead links, yet they have put up a registration system to charge people. When you want to sell a product, especially a new convention, don’t you think you should try to have better publicity. I like the people that are working in this convention, basically almost everyone that ran AX is over here, but this new IT guy has such a huge ego that only he can do things correctly and our current website is the result..

I think that something definitely needs to be done about the IT department, so things like guest of honor announcements and staffing applications can be put up. I am well aware that a lot of the information is already in Michael’s hands, but he refuses to take time to post it himself and when other people make comments about his work, he just blows them off and says he is “busy.” As with Anime Expo, there are internal problems going on at this convention and it seems even if I bring it up in the forums, they either delete my post or try to silence me even though I AM a current staff member :dunce:

So the main thing here is that there are problems with AM2 convention and my take is that there needs to be some internal organization with IT. What other suggestions do you have for this new convention? I know there are concerts, cosplay gatherings, etc, but nothing fully organized yet!

daylight
02-01-2011, 06:15 PM
I do agree that the site needs work, I think everyone agrees with that, especially at this point with the con only 5 months away, but they say they are working on it so hopefully the issue will be dealt with soon.
you were a but harsh with your post on the AM^2 forum, I know that you were just trying to voice your opinion, but it could have been put in a nicer way, like maybe the way you put it in this thread.
I think you just got allot of unhappy and negative responses because it was such a negative post.

ElCapitan
02-01-2011, 11:26 PM
Since you're starting this up all again, I'll repost the entire thread (http://forums.am2con.org/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=88) so people don't have to leave the thread to get the whole story. First, you were not ignored. I went out of my way to give you a friendly response in spite of your antagonistic post, and then you threw a tantrum because you didn't get what you wanted fast enough. Second, you got an infraction because you kept trolling even after being warned twice to keep things civil. Third, your last post got modded because you posted information from internal discussions out for the public to see.

If you were the employee of any formal corporation, you would have been fired on the spot, and quite possibly sued. Instead you got a slap on the wrist, and now you're throwing another hissy fit. Even after all this crap, including your post here, and flaming me in a PM, I haven't banned you. Even after all your immature and inappropriate behavior, I'm STILL giving you chances you clearly don't deserve.

Finally, you never stated until today (after your infraction) that you are staff, and your post history does not support that claim. Who are you, and what department are you in? I don't recognize your face offhand (assuming your avatar is actually you), and I know a good portion of the staff on sight. If you are on staff, why isn't your "Vermiform" account (http://forums.am2con.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=77) over there marked as staff? My identity and affiliations are common knowledge here. What are YOU hiding from?

You guys really need to step up your game. I'm sure this post will be deleted because it is negative, but I am speaking the truth. Your website not only has many broken links but also contains countless typos and the navigation system is horrible. It is very hard to navigate in the flip down windows to get the necessary information.

Next, plenty of pages look like someone took notepad or microsoft work and pasted it directly into the webpage. I am a website maker and programmer myself so I know what that looks like. It would have taken a few extra minutes to make it look more uniform.

Your new registration pages look like it was thrown together at the last minute. There are countless grammatical errors and capitalization errors. Someone can't even spell additional right or did not bother to proofread. The registration page has no capitalization and the font is unimpressive. Your addresses and text on the benefits page are all clumped to the side of the screen and hard to read. All the text looks the same.

It really looks to me and to others that this was thrown together at the last minute and still not complete. Why would anyone register for something that has no information up? This is very irresponsible and unprofessional business practice. Your prices on the registration page doesn't even reflect the special prices you have listed. The gray background underneath your squished registration page makes it look even more unprofessional and novice. You have no terms and conditions.. step it up.

Your website wants to charge me 45 dollars for a three day pass while the website clearly states that the price is 35 dollars. Do you not have anyone to proofread or the lone IT person not check his work? What you have right now is very simple and not time consuming to code so you should have taken the time to test and check for functional errors.

Again this adds to my unprofessional argument.

Even negative feedback is valuable. I certainly won't be deleting this thread, so long as it doesn't degenerate into flaming. There has been a lot of talk among staff as well regarding improvements to be made on the website. Thanks for sharing your opinions with us, we'll be working on getting all the concerns you've mentioned here (as well as those from our internal discussion) addressed as soon as possible.

Thank you for your feedback. We have addressed the issue regarding registration prices. The pricing now properly reflects the listed prices.

I am glad that you are responding to my feedback and have fixed the pricing, but that was not the only thing that I commented on. Formatting errors and spelling typos continue to be blatantly displayed on the website and many pages have broken links. I understand some of the information is still forthcoming, but I honestly cannot believe so much is missing. Having to mouseover the navigation menu to access certain pages is confusing enough and compounded by dead links and under construction pages.

Someone really needs to take 20 minutes and look through every page and fix spelling errors and aesthetics. The site is really underwhelming to look at which is reflective of your convention. I have thr support of and am friends with several of your staff members saying that Michael Fronk your lone IT person refuses other peoples help and when you do send information to him, he doesn't respond nor listens to you. I have also heard that this tattered and website that could have been made in a few hours has taken him many months to do yet there are still a lot of errors and does not look professional.

You guys either need to hire another more competent IT department or get people to help him out because he clearly is not getting the job done and your website is not even up to par comparing to other small con websites.

"Aditional" is spelled additional.

Thuy

This is pushing the edge of flaming. Please keep your criticism civil. Verbal warning, no infraction.
-Delta


I can understand your misgivings, and we're working to address your concerns. The links aren't working. It's bad, yes. They are placeholders for upcoming information. There are errors in spelling yes. We'll be working to correct that in the near future.

You're very vocal about your concerns and we appreciate that. You should encourage the staff members as well to interact with IT and have them voice their concerns as well.

The staff members that I know have been speaking up. I am well aware of the communications or non communications that people have been having with IT, so it is easy to tell the misgivings that are occuring. I hope some progress regarding this was made at your staff meeting, like someone talked to him personally.

This was indeed addressed at the meeting. I brought it up myself.

I understand you say it was brought up at the meeting, but how can it be that you are taking my feedback seriously when I pointed out a blatant typo and you guys are doing nothing about it?

Seriously it takes 5 seconds to log in, fix the typo, and log out.

We're having our team review the entire site and build a list of corrections/improvements, for the sake of being thorough. Fixing a single minor typo isn't going to drastically alter the user experience. It's incredibly inefficient to run around changing random things (and then needing to go back later for other stuff you missed). It is much better to be systematic and thorough. As a web designer, you should know that.

Seriously dude, chill. It's been four days. We are real people here, with real lives outside of con. The fact that we didn't instantly fix every single thing you disliked about the website doesn't mean that we're ignoring you. Have a little patience.

ElCapitan
02-01-2011, 11:33 PM
From another thread:

What is the difference between volunteer and staff?

There is absolutely no information about this on your website and its only about five months until the convention. Hard to imagine why it is taking so long.

Staffers are people for whom the first priority in regards to the convention is their work. Staff are analogous to employees in a typical corporate structure, and they are the long term workers that get everything done, pre-con, at-con, and post-con. Staff get a lot of perks, but put in a lot of time to earn those perks.

Volunteers are attendees who work for AM^2 in a limited capacity. The first priority of a volunteer is typically their convention experience. The work they do is just one part of that experience, and often undertaken for the sake of improving other aspects of their time spent at con. Volunteers have a lot more freedom than staff, but get fewer benefits.

It is taking this long because there is a lot of work involved. Assuming you aren't trolling, it's a pretty safe bet that you haven't had much convention experience. Since you didn't seem to get it when I responded to your rant earlier, I'll just quote myself below:

Delta wrote:Seriously dude, chill. It's been four days. We are real people here, with real lives outside of con. The fact that we didn't instantly fix every single thing you disliked about the website doesn't mean that we're ignoring you. Have a little patience.

Also, I'm going to remind you again to cool off your antagonistic tone. Your question is perfectly valid and welcomed, but you need to keep your posting civil.

Thank you for the information. It seems like the same as AX.

As for my antagonistic tone, sometimes some push is needed. I have inside information... [text deleted]

And that information should stay internal. It is inappropriate for you to have such information in the first place, and even more inappropriate to be posting it publicly. Please limit your future posting on this subject to the other thread.

Infraction: Full Warning.

-Delta

ElCapitan
02-02-2011, 01:30 AM
Just occurred to me that I should probably post the details of your infraction, to show that you were warned for inflammatory posting, not as retribution for posting our internal discussions.

The following warning was issued to this user
» You have been asked repeatedly to tone down your approach, and have repeatedly ignored those requests. If you continue this behavior, further action will be taken.

Morrissey
02-02-2011, 03:27 AM
Since people are trying to silence me over at the AM2 forums, I’ll let people know here that Derf Tang or Delta over on those forums and Elcapitan over here cosplay forums is being very war monger like just like Brian Raker was for Anime Expo. I posted some internal problems because I am a staff member and wanted to express an opinion, which has been ignored interally, so I felt people should know. The IT department there is run by a person named Michael Fronk who thus far has decided that his department is more better run by himself only, refusing to ask for outside help when it was obvious that he needs it. The current AM^2 website is the product of over 6 months of work because he himself promised to finish the website back in October and November, while our old Club2TheMax website was still up, but after countless broken promises and lies by him, he finally has put this one up, which apparently has countless issues, especially when one of my friends who is an exhibitor tried to apply for a booth and the system overcharged him. I make a post about this on the forums hoping to get the staff members to do something about what Michael Fronk is doing in hope that the higher-ups would make some kind of changes. If you guys take a look at the website, you will notice that the staff applications and volunteer applications are still not up, many pages point to dead links, yet they have put up a registration system to charge people. When you want to sell a product, especially a new convention, don’t you think you should try to have better publicity. I like the people that are working in this convention, basically almost everyone that ran AX is over here, but this new IT guy has such a huge ego that only he can do things correctly and our current website is the result..

I think that something definitely needs to be done about the IT department, so things like guest of honor announcements and staffing applications can be put up. I am well aware that a lot of the information is already in Michael’s hands, but he refuses to take time to post it himself and when other people make comments about his work, he just blows them off and says he is “busy.” As with Anime Expo, there are internal problems going on at this convention and it seems even if I bring it up in the forums, they either delete my post or try to silence me even though I AM a current staff member :dunce:

So the main thing here is that there are problems with AM2 convention and my take is that there needs to be some internal organization with IT. What other suggestions do you have for this new convention? I know there are concerts, cosplay gatherings, etc, but nothing fully organized yet!

Look, some of what you said is true about the website and El Capitan can be a bit strict, but what the hell are you trying to accomplish by posting this here? If you have concerns talk to Chase or your new convention chairs! How are you making a difference or helping the cause by airing AM2's internal problems here? If you are a staff member then you should know better. Nothing is going to be solved here and if you are found to be a staff member then you should probably be removed. I would remove you if I knew who you were and I was still part of AM2. So take it offline and to the appropriate people. You're not helping at all. Trust me, El Capitan is no Raker.

thetrueking
02-02-2011, 12:47 PM
I heard that Joe Wu who was instrumental in establishing MAX and AM2 left the organization under a very sour tone. He used the word "unamicable" I hope this is not a result of infighting and AX like behavior.

Morrissey
02-02-2011, 01:33 PM
I heard that Joe Wu who was instrumental in establishing MAX and AM2 left the organization under a very sour tone. He used the word "unamicable" I hope this is not a result of infighting and AX like behavior.

Um, I am Joe Woo. Unamicable isn't a word. I left for reasons known to me. Even IF I did leave under bad tones I would NOT post them here. I still support Chase, Derf and AM2. Just no longer a part of it. Again, if you have problems take them up with your new con chairs, both are experienced and will help you.

sicdedman
02-02-2011, 03:01 PM
Hi, I Personally don't think there should be a (AM^2 problems and suggestions) Thread. I think it should be Deleted.

only because the Problems and Suggestions is only of (the one who made it)

AM2 Has not even started yet i don't think problems and suggestions should be posted yet till after the Con.

Suggestions well maybe but only to state (Who you would like to see and meet and greet) at con.

but on the AX Forums there is a thread as everyone knows that talks bout Problems and such. I don't want AM2 to be Compared (Problem Wise) - people already thinking that Am2 has Major problems and they can't get them straight and such. people have to remember AM2 is still 5 months away Am2 should not be Discredited or blamed for things that should or should not be on the website.

Everyone has Problems within an Organization (I have been top in 3 of the companies i have worked for) all i see if people complaining. but you have to tough it out and Obey the Higher Up's (not like Puppets) but like Humans Civil manner.

I'm not sure if what i said in my message was correct (Correct me if i am wrong) but i don't want Am2 to have what is happening to Ax (Happen to them) *They have not even started yet.*

I would like to Join Am2 Staff (When Staff Applications) are ready to be Filled out. I want to put in my Hard Work and Give All I Have to give.

LelouchYamazaki
02-02-2011, 10:54 PM
I see this more as internal problem with what you see trueking and see this more as a childish way to get what you want because the others don't do it.

I've met a lot of the team AM2 before and they were all polite friendly, asked for opinions from there team on how to improve, and while the website does need work I will agree you should reach out to the heads if you feel you are getting ignored with the leaving one of the members of AM2 you already got info incorrect but you should really not to to another forum and expect change from that as a current volunteer or staff because if you did that in my buisness I would fire you in 2 seconds.

Also I do question your post because back in Nov you said:
"Wow.. I wonder if Perspective is Chase Wang himself. Sounds very adamant about MAX. I would like to support MAX too, but I'm still very unclear about what it will be all about and if they will get up to par guests of honors or not or even have exhibitors. but AX seems like it is having its issues too"

You started a thread for attacking your own team not for how to make our site better so heck you personally lost a lot of credit to a con that hasn't happened yet. GG

techrabbit13
02-03-2011, 02:25 AM
To whom it may concern:

I've staffing cons for over 5 years now, and I have one thing to say on this matter; this is an in-house issue and should remain an in-house issue, and as such this thread should be removed from this public forum immediately. This is a major infraction of staffing policy and portrays the convention in a bad light.

Thank you,
Techrabbit

LelouchYamazaki
02-03-2011, 03:35 AM
somethings tells me thetrueking won't be taking this down and likes causing problems because read this chat and read the chat he/she created at AM2 forums and they do not add up since no team member would go back and forth on this before talking in person to the team and then come here to complain.

What makes it funnier is they now say they staff for AM2 and its funny no one knows who you are, odd when your part of a team.

and the same person also made another post about the AM2 website and then created this one roughly ignoring the one they had earlier.

and to quote yourself much earlier

Quote:
Originally Posted by thetrueking
If you have nothing constructive to say then don't say anything. The post seemed constructive until Troy came with his nasty comments. The thread is called "Anime Expo Problems" so people can write about their quams, so unless you have some solutions or want to present better insight, you can just not say anything instead of trying to incite another argument.

XStylus
02-03-2011, 12:47 PM
I've staffing cons for over 5 years now, and I have one thing to say on this matter; this is an in-house issue and should remain an in-house issue, and as such this thread should be removed from this public forum immediately. This is a major infraction of staffing policy and portrays the convention in a bad light.


I agree, internal matters should remain internal. Though if the administrators were to extend such consideration over this thread, there'd be questions why they hadn't done so for other conventions' threads, so I wouldn't expect much.

Blue6
02-03-2011, 01:56 PM
(Lol, how did Troy get dragged into this?)

Agreed on admins staying out of this.

thetrueking, Vermiform, Thuy, whatever you want to go by... How come you didn't let anyone know you were staff until now?

Also, even if what you say is true, you can't blame this situation on ONE person.

El_Duque
02-03-2011, 09:13 PM
If you're Staff then why not just keep it within the organization rather than post it on public forums and let the whole world know?

LelouchYamazaki
02-08-2011, 02:54 AM
anyone else find it odd trueking has not responded to this thou he was so adamant about this, 3 posts com planing and even got his facts wrong and no rebuttal no nothing just kinda proved everyone right about him. Even got to talk to a few people from AM2 who know nothing about the guy let's call this a fraud post and close this thread.

Freight
02-08-2011, 12:22 PM
Sorry, I'm catching up here.

Has trueking been positively identified as staff, is he blowing smoke, or has this been taken internal, so this thread is currently moot?

Blue6
02-08-2011, 01:02 PM
I've never heard of her before this incident. =/

Either way, it's a waste of time.

ElCapitan
02-08-2011, 04:30 PM
As far as I'm concerned, we got trolled. On the plus side, I think it served as proof that we are NOT overmoderating the forums or anything like that. Nothing to hide, and all that jazz.

LelouchYamazaki
02-09-2011, 12:26 AM
As far as I'm concerned, we got trolled. On the plus side, I think it served as proof that we are NOT overmoderating the forums or anything like that. Nothing to hide, and all that jazz.

It's more someone wants to make ppl look bad probably because of an agenda, he/she just hides saying they are staff but not coming out, haha only other thing like this I've seen is a staffer pretending to be an attendee, so we get a lot of odd stuff.

Regardless all cons have problems people have a right to voice serious things not just be an ass

Jr.
03-12-2011, 04:47 PM
Well this is a form of speech and it is up to you if you want to believe it but you have the right to say it as a American and no one should tell you can't voice your opinions.

ElCapitan
03-13-2011, 06:39 PM
Well this is a form of speech and it is up to you if you want to believe it but you have the right to say it as a American and no one should tell you can't voice your opinions.
Freedom of Speech is one thing, but private property is another. I have the right to say what I want, and you have every right to kick me out of your house if I'm saying things you don't approve of. Our forums means our house.

Also, even when this user was posting inappropriately, and had ignored multiple warnings, I still didn't drop the banhammer. This has nothing to do with rights, and everything to do with behaving appropriately.

Jr.
03-13-2011, 08:37 PM
I was more or unless talking about people saying they shouldn't be allowed to voice there opinions on here since here neither belongs to you or this other person it's not cool to say they can't post here even if what they say may or may not be true.

ElCapitan
03-14-2011, 01:24 AM
This isn't about opinions either. Go back and actually reread what was posted. There was never a problem with Vermiform providing feedback. The only infraction issued was for inflammatory posting, which she did three times, even after being told to stop the first two times.

Nobody's saying that people should be blocked from posting opinions here. Putting private information out into the open however, is something else entirely. It is unprofessional at best, and under certain circumstances, illegal (due to breach of confidentiality). Thankfully, Vermiform likely didn't have access to any information sensitive enough to match those circumstances.

Finally, your claim that people should be allowed to post false information here is also wrong. Posting lies for the sake of creating a negative public image is libel, which is also illegal.

Jr.
03-14-2011, 03:44 AM
Lol I doubt anything posted on here would hold up in any court and people talk crap about all sorts of companies and business but they don't bother going after it cause it's a waste of time but the thing I was trying to point out was that sicdedman was say this thread should be deleted which is kind of a way of saying I don't like what your saying so it shouldn't be on here.

sicdedman
03-14-2011, 03:58 AM
yea, it prob should be deleted. i never said i did not like the thread, only that it does not need to be here, cause since this thread has been open it just seems to cause problems. kinda funny how this thread was dead for a month why bring it back to life anyhow? just to start things up again?

anyhow, I see NO problems with Am2 and i don't have any suggestions on how they should run it. How ever they run it is up to them, i am not a part of Am2 and don't claim to be. I am going to be an Attendee and have fun. See the Concerts go to a Q&A or two and get some Autographs!

LelouchYamazaki
03-15-2011, 12:33 AM
amusing JR. but over all Trueking just disappeared after this post, which was odd he created a post made a few statements about AM2 ignoring him, and talking about a few other things which were talked about by the person trueking was referring too.

Many of the forum fans started the AX problem thread to voice concern over problems AX was creating to really hurt the con itself over all and if something like that ever happened to AM2 we could see something similar even thou AX is the only con as of yet with that type of posting.

A post should exist if it has merit and really a post and run isn't such a thing, I've been on the AX problem board since before the con happened, also on the Fanime one too and I've stayed on after all I said which included "hearsay or rumor mongering" information which was backed up by other people, this one was just someone trying to create problems who was supposedly working at the con even thou no one knew who they were, or tried talking to the higher ups which means it was a troll to create problems.

Jr.
03-15-2011, 01:53 AM
See I am not about backing what the guy is saying I just back peoples right to post there complaints if they feel the need to and I mean from that persons 1st post they were mostly going off about the IT person rather then the con itself.

Jr.
03-15-2011, 02:01 AM
Oh and I just happen to look up this unamicable i guess is a word at least it came up when i googled it http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/unamicable

Blue6
03-15-2011, 06:00 AM
@Jr. You need to go back and actually read the posts carefully, maybe several more times, before posting. Seriously, go back and read every word starting from the beginning of this thread at least three times before posting your next reply. In fact, do it for every thread you've posted in recently.

btw, thetrueking is a "she"

Jr.
03-15-2011, 06:55 AM
@Jr. You need to go back and actually read the posts carefully, maybe several more times, before posting. Seriously, go back and read every word starting from the beginning of this thread at least three times before posting your next reply. In fact, do it for every thread you've posted in recently.

btw, thetrueking is a "she"

Looks like someone doesn't understand what I posted on here for like I said I am not siding with what the person is saying but there right to say it that has nothing to do needing to go back and read things in detail,and seriously I am loling at your feeling the need to tell me what to do cause actually I posted some advice in the singles thread recently do i need to go back and read that too someone just need to take a chill pill and relax and not take posts on here so serious.

ElCapitan
03-15-2011, 12:08 PM
See I am not about backing what the guy is saying I just back peoples right to post there complaints if they feel the need to and I mean from that persons 1st post they were mostly going off about the IT person rather then the con itself.
You still don't get it. Here's the bottom line: Posting opinions is fine, defamation is not. Libel is illegal, even if it's not worth the trouble for AM˛ to prosecute.

This person lied about several things, with no apparent purpose other than making AM˛ look bad. That's pretty much the definition of libel.

Jr.
03-15-2011, 12:48 PM
No I get it people post lies about other people and companies all the time the important thing is that we have people like you to point out the connections to the things they are talking about and to expose what is wrong in there statements.

LelouchYamazaki
03-16-2011, 01:19 AM
yet reasons for posts like this is to bring information out that is important for people to know, If it was a legit reason people would of been fine with it but posting and running isnt, freedom of speech is how people lie behind tactics most of the time, there are some of us who do it for the right reasons bot being an ass and doing it for fun or gripe.

Blue6
03-16-2011, 02:58 AM
Just because there are people out there that will point out the lies does not mean it's okay to lie. You're still missing the point (which is why I suggested go back and reread everything. I'm reading your posts several times before writing my replies [though partly because the lack of punctuation makes it very difficult to understand. seriously, please at least TRY to use proper punctuation]. Also, when a couple people are telling you to go back and reread a thread before further posting, maybe you're missing something.).

By the way, freedom of speech does not mean you can say ANYTHING.

Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. Criticism of the government and advocacy of unpopular ideas that people may find distasteful or against public policy, such as racism, sexism, and other hate speech are almost always permitted. There are exceptions to these general protection's, including the Miller test for obscenity, child pornography laws, speech that incites imminent lawless action, and regulation of commercial speech such as advertising. Within these limited areas, other limitations on free speech balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as rights for authors and inventors over their works and discoveries (copyright and patent), interests in "fair" political campaigns (Campaign finance laws), protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons (restrictions on fighting words), or the use of untruths to harm others (slander). Distinctions are often made between speech and other acts which may have symbolic significance.

Access
03-16-2011, 12:00 PM
Another thing is that 'freedom of speech' on a privately owned message board is purely incidental, especially one that is free to use (contrast to, say, a personal blog). It only exists in so much as the admins let it exist.

xiaohimecece
03-26-2011, 06:52 PM
I was wondering if I can possibly suggest not to have this con on the July 4th weekend next time?

I would really love to go to this con because it's another con in the L.A. area that's near my house, AND its a free con. But I'm already going to AX this year and its not easy for me to con hop seeing that I can't drive, and my driver will not comply to driving to two places in the same day. q3q

Another thing is that I would love to buy a passport pass just to go to Disneyland, just not on the July 4th weekend because its just jammed packed with tourists wanting to see the fireworks show at night. My teacher who used to work at Disneyland would always tell the class to never go to Disneyland on July 4th weekend because it would overcrowded with too many people, and very long lines.

:\ well there's always knotts, but I don't like knotts very much. . . XD I'm sure others do though.

Thymidine
03-26-2011, 07:20 PM
It might not matter because there may not be an Anime Expo 2012. They still haven't paid their LACC and Nokia Theater fees from last year, so are currently running in debt and hoping that the attendance pays for things.

xiaohimecece
03-26-2011, 08:43 PM
:O Really? I didn't know that. (actually, I know very little about what goes behind the scenes)
But it seems very possible for them to close after their twentieth anniversary.

:\ now if only something can be done about those Disneyland tourists on the July 4th weekend. . . .~

LelouchYamazaki
03-28-2011, 12:43 AM
too early to say we might not see an AX 2012, we said the same thing last year but agreed things can happen especially if they sold shares to someone else and other ideas i've heard tossed around.

It's really up to the heads of the con when they date the event we can all wish but they know why and how it could do with the right team behind it.

as for the Disneyland tourists on july 4th weekend good luck, thats like trying to do something about vegas for new years.

Jr.
03-28-2011, 06:41 AM
Also with con dates sometimes you don't have a choice because a lot of the times cons book for years ahead of time so when you come in as a new con they got to work you in around existing contracts.

LelouchYamazaki
03-28-2011, 08:15 PM
It is true convention centers are booked many times, If we go back AX was originally at anaheim and one out of every 2-3 years would have to change locations for another event hence long beach.

You figure Anaheim is booked for events, 2nd week of April Konami has it reserved for a Yugioh event and rent it out for other yugioh event, there is Blizzcon, and who knows what else over the months. ACC is a great place especially at night so to me its a great place because you can be out at night compared to lets say LA at night so it has that shine.

Perspective
04-06-2011, 02:27 PM
Latest AM2 Commercial! Check it out and spread the word! Get your Passports today!: http://www.youtube.com/user/AM2Con#p/u/0/CRx6m-_hv1s

ElCapitan
04-06-2011, 07:09 PM
Latest AM2 Commercial! Check it out and spread the word! Get your Passports today!: http://www.youtube.com/user/AM2Con#p/u/0/CRx6m-_hv1s
Dude. I appreciate that you're really into AM˛, but please don't spam everyone.

LelouchYamazaki
04-06-2011, 07:47 PM
wow serious perspective, you from having interesting things to say to spamming every board with the same thing.

Really man, you've lost my respect your just doing more harm than anything so give it a rest keep it to convos and not promotions.

AirWind
04-15-2011, 12:36 AM
Chase was interviewed recently: http://anime3000.com/a3k-network/110-bonus-round/808-bonus-round-am2con.html

AirWind
04-30-2011, 02:23 PM
AM2 posted a new info graphic today to help explain the Passport idea and to give a better understanding on what is provided:

http://twitpic.com/4rkip9

LelouchYamazaki
04-30-2011, 10:22 PM
ah very smart that will end a lot of misconceptions about AM2 that's been going around it's all free but participation for certain events require a passport, but only to showcase things.

simple and effective

*thumbs up*

AirWind
05-02-2011, 02:07 PM
They just posted a new chart with some minor updates:

http://am2con.org/Images/chart.jpg

silver yami
05-09-2011, 01:47 PM
Im going to Anime Expo becasuse I didn't even hear about AM2 until a few months ago. If both cons weren't on the same weekend it would be fun to go to both cons.

I partly understand why both cons were created, but still I think there should be water fountains. The smaller conventions have them and it would be better for all the cosplayers and attentees, exhibitors, staff and all of the other people to the same thing. No one wants to be dehydrated after all and rather spend money on food than water.

Freight
05-09-2011, 02:16 PM
That's an interesting suggestion, but don't most convention centers already have water fountains?

Could you be a little more descriptive on this one? I get the feeling I don't understand your concept.

If you mean installing some portable drinking fountains or dispensers, I don't think a convention would want to buy/rent one due to the potential property damage to either the dispensers or what the spilled water could cause to an indoor facility.

I don't like the strange prices of bottled water, either, but I get around that buy buying a case or two before a convention and storing it in my hotel.

silver yami
05-09-2011, 03:35 PM
That's an interesting suggestion, but don't most convention centers already have water fountains?

Could you be a little more descriptive on this one? I get the feeling I don't understand your concept.

If you mean installing some portable drinking fountains or dispensers, I don't think a convention would want to buy/rent one due to the potential property damage to either the dispensers or what the spilled water could cause to an indoor facility.

I don't like the strange prices of bottled water, either, but I get around that buy buying a case or two before a convention and storing it in my hotel.

Im sorry I was kind of flustered with the whole agruement in the beginning of the thread.

Yes I mean the portable drinking dispensers. It is funny that the smaller cons have them, but I guess I can understand. But there is no harm to try. It would be easier to have water available for people that way they wouldn't have to go wait for a shuttle to tote them back to their hotel to get money or bring one from their hotel or buy them for an expensive price.

Thymidine
05-09-2011, 03:48 PM
Fountains are a nice idea, but that shuttle problem is something unique to Anime Expo and not AM2 since for AM2 the hotels are right next to the convention center and I believe there is a 7-11 for cheap water nearby. I do strongly hope that AM2 is on different dates than Anime Expo next year, so we can attend both, but also you could skip one day of AX and attend AM2 for absolutely free should you decide to do so and there is a guest you want to see at AM2

animejunkie
05-09-2011, 10:26 PM
I agree; it would be a bonus for all if AM2 next year was on different dates, though, I'm almost tempted to make a trip to see SCANDAL (provided there is no conflict with whatever is going on at AX at the time). Well, here's hoping that could be a reality...if it was well placed enough between AX, PMX and ALA then the wait between cons wouldn't seem as long with other cons in between (just me thinking out loud :p)

Thymidine
05-09-2011, 10:35 PM
I'm hearing that the SCANDAL concert will be Sunday Evening but not 100% clear though.

Psychonaut
05-11-2011, 02:46 PM
I'm hearing that the SCANDAL concert will be Sunday Evening but not 100% clear though.

It is up for Sunday, and the exact time will be released when we have that information.

http://forums.am2con.org/index.php?topic=125.msg440#msg440

El_Duque
05-12-2011, 12:41 AM
What kind of puzzled me is that your Scandal promo vid got took down on YouTube. What happened? Didn't you get approval from Sony Music?

sicdedman
05-12-2011, 09:56 PM
I have noticed Alot of stuff has been getting taken off Youtube lately. it's like Youtube does not want it on there so they come across it and take it off. it's wierd...

El_Duque
05-13-2011, 01:24 AM
I have noticed Alot of stuff has been getting taken off Youtube lately. it's like Youtube does not want it on there so they come across it and take it off. it's wierd...

I believe that the recording label has a stronghold on that. Some recording companies will let you go in return they put ads on your video. It's not Youtube's fault in general.

AM2 should contact Scandal's recording company to see if they'll allowed to reupload the videos with their permission.

Still it doesn't make sense at all why a con/organization who has some legal foothold in promoting the band be subjected to copyright issues.

ElCapitan
05-13-2011, 12:42 PM
None of this is my specialty, so please bear in mind that I may be mistaken about the below:


To my understanding, all GoH related material that goes up on our website comes directly from the source. The headshots, videos, etc are all given to us specifically so we can use them in promoting the event, so we obviously have explicit permission for those.
As for YouTube, I expect most major record labels have standing instructions to remove any their content as it's found. This might be a case of YouTube just following the blanket policy without realizing we are an exception (since we actually have permission as well). I very highly doubt that YouTube's team checks back with the labels for every single video they take down, so it's entirely plausible to me that this might be a simple mistake on YouTube's part.

Access
05-13-2011, 12:57 PM
Youtube is actually pretty clear on this, see:
http://www.youtube.com/t/copyright_counter

ElCapitan
05-13-2011, 11:11 PM
Youtube is actually pretty clear on this, see:
http://www.youtube.com/t/copyright_counter
Reading that sounds to me like their policy is shoot first, hand out bandaids later. They're erring on the side of caution. Note that even with all the disclaimers piled into the steps of the process itself, they still don't promise to restore the video.

I'm even more convinced that this was a case of YouTube just taking down everything in sight and letting the wronged people sort it out themselves. I'd imagine there's a list of high profile accounts (or even just a dedicated account type) where the owner gets notified first, but we obviously don't fall under that category.

Access
05-13-2011, 11:50 PM
Youtube, like most 'service providers', they follow something called the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). Following this protocol protects them from liability.

Basically if a copyright or rights owner feels a video is infringing, they can fill out this form.
http://www.youtube.com/t/dmca_policy
And only then does youtube take the video down.

Sometimes malicious users do file false DMCA claims, and actually manage to get videos taken down, even if only temporarily, simply because they don't like the content of the video or to harass a user they dislike. But this is rare as it can end up causing more legal trouble than it is worth.

Youtube doesn't actively do any screening alone, they are only following their obligations under the DMCA. Their obligation is just to process takedown notices and remove videos. They do have some proprietary software on the upload end that scans for supposed copyright violations, but if this detects a (possible) violation, the upload will be rejected and never appear to begin with.

What probably happened is: major content owners like record companies do hire legal firms and others to scour the internet for their content/properties and take appropriate action, which could be anything from filing DMCA takedown notices to filing suit when they find content they believe is unauthorized (anything on youtube might qualify, if the company isn't supposed to have a presence on youtube).

Anyway enough on this, basically if your video is legit (you have written permission from the owner to use the content in that fashion) and got taken down in error and you want it back up, that's pretty much the way to go about it. Or just post it on your own site rather than youtube.