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kiratsukai
02-02-2011, 05:53 PM
Having seen tons and tons and tons of Chinese dealers and adverts on Rakuten, a lot with the same exact images and too-good-to-be-true prices, I've always wondered if any of them are actually legit or if they're all rip-offs.

I've heard lots of cosplayers complain that they've gotten items that don't match the images and have seen some regular nightmares laid out in this forum as cautionary tales, but I've also heard raves about the prices and quality of Chinese wigs and have seen a handful of costumes at Japanese events purchased off some of these dealers that actually DO look like the images.

I figure I'll supress my usual anti-cheap instinct and try out some dealers myself then review bit-by-bit what I ordered vs. what actually arrived.

In the best case: I will have 5 or 6 cheap, useable costumes and wigs.
In the worst case: Well... it will still all have been cheap :/

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Looking for:

-Suggestions of sites/products to review
-Folks willing to take a bullet for the community and risk some of their own money on contributing to the effort through buying a costume or wig from a cheap Chinese dealer and reviewing exactly what arrived with plenty of photos and commentary.

If you are willing to participate ~ please post what site you would like to review and the product you're going to try.

Limitations:
-costumes must be under $150 after shipping.
-costumes must be pre-made or ordered from a site with pre-made photos (ie. no custom commissions)
-wigs must be under $35 after shipping.

Example:
"New Life Sky"
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/newlifesky/cosfz005-1/
A full costume set and wig for $117.69 (after shipping)
(along with obvious poor photoshopping to hide a watermark from someone else)

This particular too-good-to-be-true scenario is going to be my first review ^^
We'll see how it goes.

Hopefully we can dig up some real bargains and expose some cheats.

CelestialShadow
02-03-2011, 12:08 AM
does it have to be through rakuten? I`ve bought a couple of things from chinese dealers through ebay and review those if its of any help to you =)

kiratsukai
02-03-2011, 01:34 AM
does it have to be through rakuten? I`ve bought a couple of things from chinese dealers through ebay and review those if its of any help to you =)

Nope! You can get stuff from anywhere as long as it's pre-made merchandise, comes from a Chinese factory and is cheaper than dirt ^^

-Edo-
02-03-2011, 04:31 AM
Cosplayers in Japan who can make the trip will go to China or Korea to buy fabrics and wigs. China can be as much as 10 times cheaper than prices in Japan and the selection is amazing. I went to Dongdaemun, a massive fabric market in Seoul over the winter holidays and picked up a bunch of fabric and wig for cheap.

Hmm, I know one person who does order made stuff In Korea if that helps, it looks like the web page is only in Korean but if you send an e-mail the staff will respond through English or Japanese.

Here's the web site:
http://www.roms.co.kr

mixaka
02-04-2011, 12:06 AM
I wouldn't mind helping out. My problem with pre-made costumes is that I often do not find any characters that I would be interested in cosplaying. I also think that is may not be worth the effort. I think a lot of the really cheap Chinese sellers all use the same manufacturer/sewing sweatshop for many of their outfits, and even if doing a custom piece, a lot of times it just depends on luck, not necessarily with who you choose to buy from, but with which seamstress out of the pool they all seem to use will work on your project. It would explain wide ranges of feedback that any particular seller may get as well. Often the seller has nothing to do with the costume creation process. They are just the front man for a manufacturer that probably has a few front men. That's always how I've thought the cheap ebay/rakuten sellers worked. I have had a custom costume done before and seen other sellers using the pictures provided by my seller of the custom work, but when I inquired with the person I originally contacted, they said that it was okay for the other sellers to use the photos as they work for the same sweatshop/group of seamstresses/manufacturer (not quite sure what the business model they have going is).

I am now eyeballing that korean shop pretty hard. I see a lot of costumes I like on their site. I just wish I could read the character names in order to check for accuracy. A lot of the kimono type outfits they do look quite well done to me.

kiratsukai
02-04-2011, 12:21 AM
mix: the goal is to find out who's doing that and who is actually using a dedicated factory to produce standardized designs.

ex. alibabas egg and milanoo are both image stealers who make costumes to "sort of" match the images after they are purchased and very likely work on a "cheapest bid" contracting basis. ie. the place with an open slot who offers them the lowest base price gets the job and provides the costume.

but Coseyes, in spite of having 6 different storefronts with 6 different names, consistantly provides the same costumes in the images they provide at prices competative with milanoo. Bodyline, mia and HEALALL also have low-end costumes sold on rakuten that match their preview images perfectly.

The idea is to find out what sort of work shows up versus the images shown to see if those images are even remotely indicative of what will arrive and to check tags on things like wigs to see who is supplying the cheap wigs on sale at each site and if they're worth the investment. It isn't always possible to look at images on Chinese sites and say "these are stolen". Especially since so many factories supply multiple different storefronts and provide the same base images to each.

Sites I'd like to check out/have checked out:
Cos/More - http://moonright28.cart.fc2.com/
Cos Onsen - http://www.cos-onsen.com/
World Import JJ - http://www.rakuten.co.jp/worldjj/
Coszone - http://www.rakuten.co.jp/coszone/
Cosshop - http://www.rakuten.co.jp/cosshop/
Cosunit - http://www.rakuten.co.jp/cosunit/
World Atlantis - http://www.rakuten.co.jp/alerxtokyo/
Cosmos - http://www.rakuten.co.jp/cosmos-shop/
MQ Cosplay - http://www.rakuten.co.jp/mqcosplay/ (warning ~ this one looks EXTREMELY suspicious and the pricing is downright insane. Sets don't list what is included, warnings on items instruct people who will be upset with small color differences, stains or details being off to refrain from ordering)

shortsheik
02-09-2011, 08:42 AM
Cosunit is NOT good. I can review that one for you right now.

I may be willing to try a coszone costume. I'm trying to find a Tohou back-up in case Coscute doesn't restock the Kogasa I'm after.

Tsumanne
02-11-2011, 12:08 AM
I can recommend Cosplay1.com (http://www.cosplay1.com/)

The website isn't particularly laid out well and they mainly do custom work and not so much pre-made, but the costumes are made very well. I used them once for embroidery work. My costume required an extensive amount of very detailed embroidery and it came out beautiful. If I ever do a costume that requires embroidery again I'll go with them. Shipping was right on schedule as well.

CelestialShadow
02-17-2011, 08:16 PM
everytime i try to post a review this thing screws up! I have like 2 or 3 i can share right now and it freezes up everytime i try to post anything with links =(

mixaka
02-22-2011, 10:49 AM
Will probably order the Nazrin outfit on Cos Onsen soon as I'd like at least 1 Touhou outfit for the next Comiket. And potentially something from Cos/More as well, I just don't know what quite yet.

RookBartly
02-25-2011, 05:35 PM
I would be willing to help out on this. I can look over some of the and see if there is any cosplay I would be will to try.