PDA

View Full Version : ANBU Kakashi costume - need help


Elvenwolf
10-21-2003, 10:51 PM
Alright, first off, I have to say I'm quite blind because I can't even figure out the colors for Kakashi's Anbu outfit. In the colored manga image, it looks like he's wearing a white vest and navy blue outfit underneath, but in the anime, the regular Anbus are wearing gray vests and black outfits (watch episode 51). I guess this is just an either or type of thing ^^;;

Okay, onto the real questions, his gloves - since they are like ballroom gloves, I figured I'd buy a non-satiny pair (if they exist) and rivet onto the fabric some aluminum flashing. Any ideas on how to cut the aluminum without cutting myself? I like the idea of using aluminum versus shiny fabric for the gloves, but I might opt for the latter for the dogs' head protectors.

As for the vest, should I just buy a pattern and try my luck with it? (I am absolutely not a seamstress.

His Anbu mask is not a usual face mask shape, hence I was thinking of experimenting with some plaster, but the mask will probably end up rough and bumpy (if I remember correctly from my past mask-making ventures). Any remedies/alternatives?

Boot-sandals...I don't know what else to call them. I read the boot-cover thread and just thought I'd do that over my sandals and leave the toe-area open. Good idea? Have a better one? As for the straps going around the ankle/calf area, maybe foam or just padded fabric will do.

Arm protectors. I'm pretty lost on this one, and I don't think cardboard covered with gray fabric is going to cut it. Vacuum-forming plastic sounds...complicated and rather dangerous. If anyone has ideas for this one, please post them ^^

Lastly, the wig. I've seen a lot of variations on Kakashi's hair from people coloring their own hair, to modified Don Kings. I was wondering what Kakashi cosplayers have done and what kind of wig I should purchase since my hair is too long and not Kakashi-stylable.

For reference, watch episode 51 and the attached pictures.

Thanks!

Daala
10-21-2003, 10:55 PM
Ah... this may not help but take a look >> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/naruto-team/image/cosplay/Jump26.jpeg

Elvenwolf
10-21-2003, 10:56 PM
Thanks for the picture - it should help me out with some ideas :]

Eleryth
10-22-2003, 03:47 AM
My 2 cents, not that they matter ;)

The color: I think really really dark blue or black would work. It's hard to say, because when coloring, many tend to give black a blue highlight. Either would work, but if you only find a black glove, then go with black. I think having the colors there match would be better than having both in one costme. I can go back and check - I taped Naruto last weekend, so I can check. There were anbu's in that ep (and I have NO clue what ep number it is - it was the end of the elimination round before the final test) and I can PM you later.

The gloves I mentioned above. Good idea. Definitely non-satiny type.

Aluminum - I guess they are supposed to be metal, aren't they... a friend used aluminum for fixing cars (the thin type) [sorry, no idea what type of aluminum flashing is, but I have an idea] and use Tinsnips (bought at local hardware store) and workmans gloves to cut it. Edges are sharp, so dull them somehow. You can use rivets to attach metal pieces together (also at hardware stores), or gluegun or something, and fake the rivet points with something else. Friend used upholstry tacks, with the point cut off and glued on. Worked very well. This is how he made his headprotector, and it looks really good. This is what I would go with.

Vest - I would say try your luck without the pattern. I have looked thru quite a few, and I think you would be better off making it from scratch (no patterns seem to come to mind, and they would require a lot of modification). They seem to be rather thick, so you would have to sew it like a seat cushion or a squished rectangle. And seeing as it's supposed to be armor (is my guess, why else wear something over your chest? although, it does squish a little... strange. Not good armour if you ask me), I would put in a thin sheet of metal/plastic/cardboard for extra shape holding ability. Use velcro or snaps to attach the pieces together over the shoulders (have it sewn to either front or back, and only attach one side). And make a mock-up first, out of old material. Bedsheets, old t-shirts, anything works. That way you will know what works and what doesn't before making the good one.

Mask - buy and alter one, or learn about plaster techniques and whatever it is... (I have never done this myself) and cover your face with vaseline and make your own face-shaped mask (art teachers are good references to ask about this). Or model one on a bought mask, out of different materials? Or model one out of a mould of your face, and use latex or something? (really have no idea, just random suggestions) Buying and altering would be the cheapest and easiest, I think.

Sandals - actually sorta look like sports sandals. Only blue/black with 'socks' underneath. >.< Buy a cheap pair, and cover the strap parts with blue material, padded in places so it looks smooth. Then either make a sock for your foot and wear that underneath, or try to attach fabric underneath the straps. I think socks would be easiest, but not necessarily 100% accurate. Play around with ideas. That's the best way.

Wigs- I would go with a wig, myself, as I think its the only way to get hair truly white (unless you are a really light blonde and want to spray it). Problems with spray are that it flakes off, or causes weird texture and color runs. You can use extra-strength styling products, or, as engineers at my old uni liked to use, knox gelatin. 2 or 3 packages into the hot water instead of one, like it asks for in the recipe. Wait a little until it cools, and use hands to apply. Dry upside down with hairdryer for speeded up drying. THis is also waterproof, and mostly permanent (unless you want to wash your wig in the shower with shampoo and conditioner and stuff)

Good luck with everything! I can't wait to see a good anbu kakashi.

And with that photo.. their masks looked good, if I recall correctly..but many were wearing white tank tops or torn/cut white shirts. Not as accurate, but it gives the right effect. Would have been great to see, none the less.

Slightly OT: any female anbu? Besides.. um, anko? (someone told me she was)

Sorry its so long. Guess that was more like... 200 cents or something. :)

EDIT: If you are a girl, I suggest you read the thread on binding your chest. Would help get the 'male' look. If you are male (I checked your profile, but didn't say, and one can't really judge on the names of charas anymore), gomenasai!

Elvenwolf
10-22-2003, 04:26 PM
Eleryth - Thanks a lot for your 200 cents! All your suggestions are very good. You might have to wait a while before I complete this outfit since I'll be learning how to sew basic stitches w/ a machine in a few months' time. I think I might stick to whichever color I find a long turtleneck in first :] although in the 1st picture I posted, the shirt does appear to be navy blue; I suppose it doesn't matter that much.

As for the hair, been there done that, color hairspray is the bane of my cosplay existence :] so I'm definitely looking for a wig.

Female Anbu...hmm, I don't know if Anko used to be. Memory is slightly rusty. Sorry ^^;; unfortunately for feminist anime fans, there aren't a lot of really top-notch female ninjas. I mean, sure there are the jounin instructors, but there's a lot more obvious competition between the higher ninjas who are male - Kakashi, Gai, Orochimaru, the Hokages who have all been male. I might be wrong though since I'm not exactly up-to-date with the manga yet, but if anyone knows of a female Anbu, post away.

Eleryth
10-23-2003, 12:18 AM
I know of A female ninja that seems really cool, but darned if I remember her name. Manga only so far - some healer woman. Who is really old. I guess I could look up her name at Toriyamas World...but I am lazy. ^^

Anyways. Watched my tape last night (yay Kakashi!). Sketched out an anbu vest - maybe I can find a scanner somewhere. Or else take a digital pic and post that (pathetic I know, but there seems to be a lack of scanners here).

The clothing part is not blue. In the same scenes as Kakashi, they were definitely not the same color. They do indeed look grey. Personally, I think a white/black combo would have more 'oomph'.

Things I noticed:

Vest has seam in front and back middle - so I am assuming it does up with a zipper in the front, like the green vests do (one vest did not have a seam in the back, and I think it would look better without, but thats MHO)
Vest also seems to have pockets at the bottom, on the sides, where pockets usually are on a jacket/vest. And black pieces on the straps on the back near the vest. Also has that 'roll' thing at the bottom like the green vests do. Not always as defined, but it was there (at least on the anbu in the ep I watched).

The armguards were not animated the same way as the metal hand guard, leading me to think they are a different material. They were the same color as the vest, so probably something cloth covered. Or some futuristic material we don't have yet. ^^

The pants are baggier, like the normal ninja pants, but the top was tight and sleeveless (as you know).

....hmmm...what else was there.... they seemed to all wear katana on their backs, too.... and I don't recall them having the colored scarf like Kakashi does in some pics.

I hope this helps! And good luck with the sewing. :)

Elvenwolf
10-28-2003, 05:56 PM
Eleryth, I think you mean Tsunade :]
I agree with the seam/zipper issue. I didn't see a seam in the manga picture, so I suppose I could get away with artistic license of sorts here. Thanks for your help again ^^ do you happen to know which episode you watched? And with the sketch, if you can get a picture online, that'd be great!

For the other 80 or so people who have viewed this thread, please put in your 2 cents ^^;; this'll probably be my biggest cosplaying project yet and I really want to do this myself instead of sending it to a tailor.

Elvenwolf
10-28-2003, 06:11 PM
Posted 2x by accident. Anyone know how to delete posts? ^^;;

Eleryth
10-28-2003, 10:58 PM
Ne, I don't think you can delete. Dumb, but whatever.

As for the ep, turns out it was 51. Apparently Naruto is on on Thursdays, on a station I don't get, and will be airing ep 56 this week, but the station I get, on Saturdays, is behind and will be airing...53? I think...

So, it was the one with... damn, I just forgot his name...kabuto and kakashi's little tiff in the room with sasuke. :) I will get my bf to take a pic of my sketch this weekend, and see if we can get that loaded up somewhere. Goodness knows, I need a gallery of something! :)

And my sketch is just that - sketch! >.< Be prepared for some ghettoness.

And yes, I think that's her name. Too bad she's blonde, and I don't have a good blonde wig - and am not willing to spend a ton to get one! But there was a female anbu (unknown) in episode... 54? I think...

And good luck! Feel free to PM me so we don't take over this thread. :)
When I have the pic up, I shall msg you.

Eleryth
11-04-2003, 10:25 PM
Ok, finally got that sketch in my gallery (if they haven't deleted it yet). It's nothing amazing, unfortunately. I wanted to get screencaps for you, but irfanview was skipping a lot for some reason, so I couldn't. Maybe eventually I will.

So, revising what I wrote previously, the following is what I noticed:

Color: Still the grey-scale. But I stick with what I said about the black/white giving more 'oomph'.

Arm Guards - Not the same color. As mentioned. I don't think they are supposed to be shiny, like the forehead and hand protectors. They just aren't animated the same way. So, I would stick with something padded and fabric covered - maybe plastic armor with a cover, or the aluminum flashing.

Vest - Still try w/o the pattern. Make your own from scratch, using old materials first. The vest I looked at for most of the scene had a roll at the bottom, and seams in the front and back. I, personally, would put a zipper in the front. Doing it up the back would be awkward and impractical. Hmm, or, you could put it on over your head. It should fit, because it's not tapered near the waist. This might be best, because they don't taper near the front seam, which it would have to do if it were a zipper.
It's puffy, about an inch thick, at least. And looking at the kakashi pic and at the vests in the ep, there's a small line on the top front seam - I think its piping, for detail. I would put piping in. But only this side; on the side near the body I wouldn't worry about it. I would make them with something a bit stiffer inside, maybe a different type of foam, instead of cotton batton. And I would use interfacing on the thin edge of the vest (like the thin side of a cusion) to help it keep its puffed squareish shape. There is no black clip in the back - that was the top of the katana sheath. It's only attached at the top right, just above the buckle attaching the shoulder strap to the vest. Maybe it slides on there and attaches to the vest to keep it in place - I don't know. The shoulder straps are slightly padded, and fairly wide. I would attach them in the front, with velcro or snaps hidden under the square attachment piece. I would sew them down in the back. On the sides of the vest, they have what appear to be pockets (although, I don't recall anyone using it as a pocket, maybe in a different ep). Two of them, at an angle. So, maybe just decoration, for fitting or something.

Mask - Check out China town and asian malls. I will keep my eyes open here for you.

Tattoo - I am sure you can find shots of this. There is even someone on the msg board who got it as a tattoo. I am sure s/he'd have pics.

Wigs - I myself do not know, but many suggestions of good sites have been made from which to buy wigs. He has a sorta mini-mullet in the back...and remember that the hair sorta goes in one direction, not all over the place. :) And is really quite long - if it were down, I am pretty sure it would reach his jaw, if not farther. Gravity defying hair - it's what animes all about!

NOTE: Due to the slight variations in anbu vests (back seam, no seam, weird pockets, different number of pockets...) there might be different variations of the vests. It might be like the green ones - different people have different vests.

Hope this helps you! Good luck!

ACXchan
11-05-2003, 09:55 PM
For my anbu outfit I'm planning to construct arm guards out of either plastic, cardboard with a plastic layer, or pipes from Home Depot @D@ I was thinking of used archery arm guards but so far I can't find any that have a solid construction (most of them have slits so your arm can breath).

Regarding the vest, I think if anything you can make it out of a jumper pattern. The vest looks like a kid's jumper only cut off at the torso.

As for the masks, I'm planning to make them myself as well ^ ^ Instead of the newspaper-plaster-in-a-bowl method, try finding gauze rolls with the plaster already powdered on. That won't take out the lumps entirely but it will be smoother than newspapers. There are ways to smoothen out the lumps too, by hand while it's wet or by layering paint on top of the mask. I'm going to use finishing paint on the masks after they're dry to try and even out any rough spots. Then I'm going to paint the animal faces on and spray it with a sealant. I was thinking of lining the masks with cloth for comfort but since the mask is going to sit on top of my head most of the time I don't think it's too big a deal ^ ^

By the way... what's the difference between the opera gloves with regular fingertips and the ones with sharpened claws? I've seen Kakashi with both types @D@

ChibiBlargh
11-08-2003, 10:21 PM
i was originally planning on cosplaying as anbu kakashi but the wig thing didn't work out so i just cosplayed as a random anbu for ax 2003. i can send you the reference pictures that i used if you'd like.

Elvenwolf
11-10-2003, 10:43 PM
Thank you everyone for replying. My computer sort of went berserk over the past week or so, therefore I was unable to thank you all for the advice. ChibiBlargh (great name btw :D) I'd love to get reference pics, and Eleryth, you've definitely helped me out a lot :] thanks so much! Btw, I don't see any sketch in your gallery, but that's ok. I think I can figure things out ^^V

Eleryth
11-10-2003, 10:52 PM
I guess they deleted it. It was a sketch (artwork, I guess, after all). I have the picture elsewhere - at http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/tolkiens_monsters/vwp?.dir=/e+temp+album&.src=gr&.dnm=anbu+vest+sketch.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/tolkiens_monsters/lst%3f%26.dir=/e%2btemp%2balbum%26.src=gr%26.view=t

Um, if that doesn't work, its at http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/tolkiens_monsters/lst in the e _ temp album, last image.

*sigh* wish I could get screen caps. And no luck finding the masks here. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places.

Elvenwolf
11-10-2003, 11:01 PM
Hm, the links don't seem to work. I copy and pasted too...hmm...

Elvenwolf
11-25-2003, 10:07 PM
Still hoping for more suggestions here although the ones already given are great! More ideas = always good. Opera gloves with regular finger tips and ones with claws...well, it's obvious what's different, but I think the ones with claws were probably made specially because I've only seen ninja gloves with claws:
http://www.karatedepot.com/wp-ni-12.html
So if you want long gloves with claws, either modify opera gloves, or put on the claws over the gloves I guess.

ACXchan
12-01-2003, 09:02 PM
Elvenwolf: Opera gloves with regular finger tips and ones with claws...well, it's obvious what's different

I meant what's the difference between these gloves as in which anbu recruits get to wear the claw tips and which ones wear only the regular fingertips. I've seen Kakashi depicted in claw tips but other anbu "stock" characters have regular tips. So I'm not sure like... what decides who gets to wear claw tips and who doesn't ^ ^;;

Brunhilde
12-01-2003, 11:48 PM
A friend of mine did an Anbu costume recently, so I just thought I'd post a pic or 2, in case it helps somehow.

Go here:
http://www.shockwavepulsar.com/cosplay/animania033.jpg

Elvenwolf
12-15-2003, 06:37 PM
ACXchan - I've never seen any pictures of them with claw tips. Sorry, couldn't help you there. Must be some inconsistencies. So if you want claw tips, go for it :D

ACXchan
12-16-2003, 02:17 AM
Elvenwolf, I recently discovered that maybe it's a difference between anime and manga. I haven't seen any anbu in the anime with claw tips (yet anyway!) but in the manga pictures of anbu Kakashi show claw tips. Personally I think the claw tips are cooler but like.. they might be hard to make and well, lethal XDXDXD

Elvenwolf
12-17-2003, 06:00 PM
I can only think of 2 pictures I've seen of Kakashi in his ANBU uniform, both manga...and I'm not seeing the claws. Could you perhaps post the picture? Maybe I'm just blind ^^;;;

ACXchan
12-27-2003, 03:32 AM
Sorry about the late reply, took a break for vacation @D@

http://melz.org/archives/images/2002-07-15.jpg

That's from the back cover of one of the Character Data books. God I love it when he's brooding XD;;

Elvenwolf
12-28-2003, 10:43 PM
Oh, that picture. Yeah, I just thought he had long nails, haha, no...um, well they don't seem very effective if they're under his gloves, ne? In any case, yeah, I suppose you could buy or make those fingernail armor tips without worrying about them being lethal. Like these:

http://www.newmoon.uk.com/jewellery/finger_armor.htm

I don't think Kishimoto has shown extensive development and background for the ANBU teams, so I don't think anyone really knows how they're equipped and if there are different ranks besides Captain.

ACXchan
12-30-2003, 03:58 AM
LOL long nails XD! I don't really know if those claws can do damage either... I suppose if anything it gives the anbu teams a better grip for scaling walls and vaulting trees like they seem to enjoy doing XD

Thank you for the links as well! Those small finger armor pieces should work great under gloves.

A Lamer
01-01-2004, 03:44 AM
Sorry about the late reply, took a break for vacation @D@

http://melz.org/archives/images/2002-07-15.jpg

That's from the back cover of one of the Character Data books. God I love it when he's brooding XD;;

Actually those arent claws at all, its simply 2 extremely similar colors overlaping. Namely the black paint from the mask lines with his dark gloves.

Edit: Also, anyone know of an online site for ANBU similar masks? I live in florida, so I dont have a china town x_X;;

Elvenwolf
01-07-2004, 09:36 PM
Try searching on a search engine for japanese masks. The kitsune one on http://www.oldjapaninc.com/japanese_masks.html looks...well...vaguely similar. If all else fails, make or modify one.

As for the claws, I think you are mistaken. The anbu mask does not have eyebrows and in the picture I've attached, his fingers on his right hand end rather...in an odd way, suggesting that:

a) This assassin really finds long nails useful and quite nice

b) He has claws that...aren't really useful, but he wears them anyways

c) Who knows?

ACXchan
01-16-2004, 03:54 AM
Damn you Kakashi why must you be so confusing XD I finally got a chance to play the Naruto 2 fighting game on Gamecube. Was hoping maybe there'd be alternate Kakashi as an anbu fighter, that way I could see if he has claws in the game, but no luck only Kakashi and Sharingan Kakashi. Either way I also believe he has claws.

Regarding the masks, I've looked everywhere online for them and haven't found one useful except for Elvenwolf's link. I've also looked around JTown in San Francisco and Los Angeles with no luck again. For now I've resorted to paper maché and my own paints ^ ^; I'm not really sure what works best with plaster though, oils or acrylics?

Elvenwolf
01-16-2004, 09:05 PM
Oil takes a long time to dry and I'm not sure if I'd want that on my mask ^^;; - I'd use acrylic or well...dunno, might want to do some research or ask your art teacher.

ACXchan
01-17-2004, 07:39 PM
Unfortunately I didn't get into any art classes this semester cause college cutbacks suck!!

I've done oils on canvas before and usually they take maybe a week or two to dry depending on how often you apply the paint. But then I also think that acrylics will be better and less harsh on the plaster (and gesso), and yet oils have a nicer consistency and don't dry like plastic... decisions decisions @D@;;

How's your anbu costume coming along by the way Elvenwolf? I recently bought some invisible zippers today so I can sew the half masks. Right now though I'm trying to figure out how to make the masks stay on the face... I've been thinking of sewing clear plastic elastic on the upper rim so that it can stick to your face but I'm not sure if that's the best way to go about it x_x;

Elvenwolf
01-19-2004, 08:15 PM
My costume...is third on my list. Right now the current costume I'm working on is Xianghua, despite me lurking in the SCII forum (they talk too much! :D). You could always spray the mask later to make it shiny :] just put gesso on the plaster first, as you said, then use either paint. You could also do tests with both paints to see which one looks the best in the end.

As for the mask staying on the face...I'm going to have to ask a teacher about that one. I have no clue. Elastic on the rim sounds good. Maybe if you could sneak some hairpins in inconspicuously, that might help the mask to stay on. There's the string method, but you don't see any of the anbu having strings...I really don't know how they keep their masks on, haha. Worst comes to worse, you can use a transparent string, but I guess that's not preferable.

What half masks are you talking about? <<slightly confuzzled>>

ACXchan
01-20-2004, 08:57 PM
LOL the SCII forum... I weave in and out of there every so often @D@ Glad to hear you're doing a Xianghua though XD

The half mask might be something only Kakashi wears, it's the cloth one that covers the bottom half of his face. It's in both the pictures we've linked on this thread. I have to make two though because my Kakashi ain't a sewing genius and I need one myself for a Blade of the Immortal costume XD I've got this spandex material that'll hug the face tightly while allowing some breathing through the cloth, but I'm trying to figure out how to stop the half mask from sliding down to the chin. The transparent elastic is what I think will work for now, for both half mask and anbu animal mask ^ ^

Elvenwolf
05-24-2004, 02:58 AM
Half mask looks great.

Okay, I just made Kakashi's anbu mask out of plaster and wire. Anyone have ideas for smoothing out the bumps and the cast-like texture? This is probably a dumb question, but is plaster sandable?

Eleryth
05-24-2004, 03:01 AM
I believe it is, with a fine-grit sandpaper... (at least, never having done it before, I would start finer, unless it's really really uneven).

The props forum might have more information on plaster and what you can and cannot do with it.

How is the costume going, by the way? Got anything else done? I really wanna see a well done ANBU. Not that others aren't, but the vests are all wrong... and that's what I wanna see done right.

Elvenwolf
05-24-2004, 06:16 PM
Still trying to find the proper material to make the vest out of. Couldn't find thick enough foam to sew fabric over, so I have to figure out another means of making a padded vest. Insulation foam...doesn't sound very comfortable.

Eleryth
05-24-2004, 09:31 PM
Regular cotton batton should work, I think... wouldn't it? You can buy it on rolls, sometimes, so it's more flat than that bunchy pillowy stuff. Then just layer it.

Elvenwolf
05-24-2004, 10:25 PM
Um...I'll try it and ask a local fabric store "consultant". Hopefully it will be plausible because I can't wait to start on the vest.