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Saeru
10-27-2003, 11:42 PM
Now with PICTURES! Woo!
Note:If the pictures fail to load, this tutorial is also available for viewing at The CosplayWiki. (http://www.cosplaywiki.org/index.php/Wings)

I've been meaning to edit this for a little bit, and now I've finally gotten around to it! This post is for anyone who wishes to attempt to make moving or stationary wings...or perhaps improve on a design of their own and looking to see how other people did it.

Now, I can't claim to be an expert. I've only actually constructed three sets of wings.
However, these wings have won me five different masquerade awards, so I figure I must be doing something right.

What I specialize in...is moving wings. Wings that don't just sit there...they flap, they raise...they're dynamic. Get up and Go wings!

I've drawn up some schematics on what I've done as well, though they're not the greatest...I'll be posting better quality schematics and pictures as I get to them.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Saeru/AlsotoUse.jpg
-This is a picture of the Clover wings I made, in their full extention. I went for a purely mechanical look...based exactly off the book. The important thing to get a moving set of wings is that they be very lightly constructed, hence my materials are all wood and foam core.
To get the "feathers" to look right pattern-wise(and this is something you can do at home if you want a specific shape of ANYTHING large), I painted in acrylic on a clear plastic sheet, then showed a flashlight through it up onto a large peice of paper taped on my wall. I drew out what I saw, and then used the drawings as patterns to cut the wing out of foam core. Nice stuff, foam core. ^^ You can get it in very huge sheets at Hobby Lobby for around 7 dollars for a sheet about 4ft by 5ft.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Saeru/SueArch2.jpg
Here they are retracted.
But enough of showing the final product...you're interested in the design. ^^ Take a good look at this link, however...it'll make the drawings make a lot more sense.


Actual image:
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=569078
(read image description for what the text says)
Schematic:
http://images.cosplay.com/photos/91/91375.jpg
The frame of the wing was constructed out of a thin, durable type of wood. I believe it was 3-ply, but I could be wrong. At any rate, you can find these at most hardware stores, but lumber places are the best. You'll have more than enough for 4 sets of wings for less than 6 dollars.

I cut out two large curves and three smaller circlets. After I cut the last small circlet, I lined up the "spindles" as I wanted them. These were made out of the inner workings of an old umbrella. ^^ I marked out their placement on the small cirlet, then cut along the markings. This was so they could be very well wedged into the middle of the three circlets. (see far right) The top spindle was stationary, as the wing itself didn't need it to move. The others, however, were quite movable, but only from their pivot points. (lower left)

The upper left is a direct side view of how the mechanism worked. If you look in the real picture above, you can see a black rod that extends from the small circlet to outside of the larger one, which the biggest feather is attached to. That held the feather, and provided its pivot point. Hence, when we pulled down on the top of the feather, the rest of the feather went up. It was attached to all the smaller feathers by fishing line...
and the smaller feathers were attached to the spindles...so when the big feather went up, it made the whole wing look like it was moving up.

There are two pulleys used in this mechanism. They're not hard to find at a hardware store...look for screen door sliders.


http://images.cosplay.com/photos/91/91399.jpg
The bolts that hold this all together are pictured above. My father called them "Chicago screws" but it is likely (especially in Chicago) that they have another name entirely. (If you show the people at the hardware store a picture, they should know what you're talking about. "Screw posts?") These screws most often hold my wings to my wing harness, because they're easy to get on and off, and they hold EXTREMELY well. It makes for easier travel if you can disassemble the wing.

Actual image:
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=569079
(read description for what the text is)
Schematic:
http://images.cosplay.com/photos/91/91400.jpg
This is the back piece that I used to hold my wings on me...this applies to both sets. The materials I used in mine we had lying around..though I wouldn't suppose most people to just have these, I'll explain what we did anyhow. We cut a piece out of a plastic barrel, and fitted two leather straps to it that went around the arms and snapped onto the back. We welded two pieces of metal together at about a 60-90 degree angle (depending on how you want your wings to sit) and then cut slits in the plastic which the metal went through. Two holes in the metal allowed the wooden frames to easily attach on with the Chicago screws once we got to the con. ^^







Now I'll talk about feathered wings.


There's a lot to be said in this area. Of course, you could just go out and buy a pair from the local costume shop....
but...this brings about the Tombstone Complex. (How most bought wings look like halves of tombstones with feathers glued onto them.) This, I believe, is really unattractive.

The worst fate that people who create their own wings go through is -not- understanding wing structure. I'd REALLY suggest going out and getting a book on birds before attempting feathered wings. However, for those who are just here for the basics, I sketched up some pictures of how wings ought to look. (sort of)
http://images.cosplay.com/photos/91/91401.jpg


Also, another really important part in wings...is the feathers!
You will find every kind of feather in every color that you could possibly need here:
http://www.rainbowfeatherco.com/index.html


Now that that is taken care of...
here's a set I made for Otakon, 2003:
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=138612
The credit for this picture goes to Eurobeat. Its the best one I've seen out there, I really hope he doesn't mind. If he does, I'll take it down, though.
They're not great, but...they -do- move, and the construction of them gave me much better ideas for the future...to make bigger and cooler wings. ^^


http://images.cosplay.com/photos/91/91374.jpg
This is pretty much the gist of it.
It was a lot of work, but...overall it was very simple.
Oh, and the feather designations are as follows, since I forgot to write them in:
1. Wing Rounds
2. Plumage
3. Flats
These are the kinds to order from the above website, though I've found the plumage to be kind of useless overall.

Basically, I strung long sets of Wing Rounds together, and then set them up in a wing shape. My frame was a really basic kind of curve, to which I drilled holes in every few inches, then stuck wires into. The wires held up the strings of wing rounds, and provided my basic wing shape.

I glued sets of flats together (usually three, though it depended how they were needed) and glued them to the wires. This would both disguise the wires, and provide the wing with its feathered wing look.

The frame and basic moving structures I covered with rabbit fur, which gave a very fluffy look, and which I would use again. However, I've seen fur stuff at walmart that is more feathery looking, so if you can find that, all the power to you. It is the same fluff that I used on my Kilik costume, and looks VERY lovely.

After trying this design of wing out, I drew up a few more that would also be workable:
http://images.cosplay.com/photos/91/91397.jpg
(That is a spring on the right image)

This design would be particularly nice for the feathered wings, since it wouldn't have any parts sticking up:
http://images.cosplay.com/photos/91/91398.jpg


PLEASE, LOOK AT THIS NEXT DESIGN BEFORE RUNNING OFF TO
MAKE ONE. I and several other people have made this critical mechanics mistake when constructing moving wings...it DOES NOT WORK:
http://images.cosplay.com/photos/91/91404.jpg
The reason for this is that your wire will NOT have any vector pulling in the direction that you want the wing to go (namely, up.) You need to have the upwards motion worked into the design somehow.




Current related works:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Saeru/Demonsasukesmall.jpg

I'm planning (above) a set of fully functional electrical 'wings' for ACEN, that will be dynamic in multiple directions and incorporate motors into the design.

Currently this is in the design stage, but I've uploaded a useful lot of schematics to show what I think I'll be doing:

Icon:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Saeru/wingsimplicon.jpg

Movement Options:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Saeru/wingwave.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Saeru/wingfingspread.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Saeru/wingfingclose.jpg

Harness:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Saeru/wingharness.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Saeru/wingtopview.jpg




I think I've covered most of the basics. ^^
I'm still currently in the process of coming up with bigger, better designs, and I've a few in mind, but these shall do for now.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
Wings are really awesome to have, and if you do them right, they won't be uncomfortable. (I've worn both sets for hours at a time. You WILL develop new muscles, but its nothing that will kill you!)

Plus...why settle for stationary wings...when you can have ones that move? ^^

Fault
10-28-2003, 06:35 AM
None of those will show up, you'll have to put the images into html files. Alternatively, change their extension to .txt, it seems to work for a friend of mine.

And I really want to see them too. I like wings, they're shiny.

PS: If you have the images on file, why not just use the attachment button that this forum has? I'm not sure what the attachments limit is, but hey *shrug* it's worth a try.

moo
10-28-2003, 07:00 AM
The pics show up if you copy and paste the links into a new window, not by clicking on them.

Saeru: Thank you so much for the tips!

KuroBara
10-28-2003, 09:54 AM
...why not put the pics in your cosplay.com gallery?

Saeru
10-28-2003, 01:52 PM
It specifically says "no artwork."
While these are costume specs...
they probably qualify as artwork.
However, it is something that I can give a try to when I get home.

Carmila
10-28-2003, 04:56 PM
Wow, the extent to which you have gone to help people is wonderful! I will pass this along to a few of my friends, I know they are dying to find a good way to make moving wings.

BTW, your wings look great! Good job!

KuroBara
10-28-2003, 05:12 PM
By artwork it means no copyrighted artwork, costume designs and specs that you have done are different. I still haven't gotten to read the whole tutorial, but I have bookmarked it, thanks! I want to do a "Wish" group next year, and this really helps. When I saw the topic of the thread your Otakon skit immediately came to mind. The Balmung costume is very impressive, and I just adore Clover. Thanks again for the detailed tutorial!

ZiggyB
10-28-2003, 06:22 PM
Saeru is right, it's still artwork. She did draw it herself. :)

Actually, a better definition would be you should only post photos in your photo gallery. Photos of yourself, your costumes, your friends (as long as your gallery is 90% cosplay photos, non-cosplay photos are ok). If you want the exact post that Admin made about this subject, I can find it for you.

I've already PMed Saeru about hosting the sketches for her, so let's get back on topic. :) And for someone who's seen these wings in person (and had to carry them) I'm really looking forward to this thread. :)

Saeru
10-28-2003, 11:29 PM
I uploaded the pics to the cosplay.com server. Hopefully this will allow them to work better for anyone viewing. ^^

Saeru
10-28-2003, 11:32 PM
Also thankyou everyone who has replied. I really hope this will be of use to people.

It'll be great to see more wings making an appearance at cons. ^^

AlikNyankoChan
10-29-2003, 01:24 AM
Hrm...For really, really huge feathered wings(8 ft tall, extremely large wingspan...about 16ft ^^;;) Do you think the wood would still work, or do you think a tougher material would be a better idea?

Also, do you think the pulleys would still work....and if so, which design do you think provides the most leverage?

I've been planning out workable wings (and came up with a workable design). I've got a heavier backboard in mind, and curved pvc pipes in mind. I'd rather use wood though, if it wouldn't snap/shatter under the pressure ^^;;

I'm dying for input from someone who has done it before ^^

~Alik

Saeru
10-29-2003, 01:25 PM
My friends used PVC pipe. Its kind of nice, though its roundness makes it a little harder to work with as far as drilling holes and such.

My clover wings were about 7 ft fall, with a 14 ft wing span, and their frame was made out of wood. You can get it in several different thicknesses...I'd just suggest a better quality sheet of wood thats a bit thicker if you're planning on going bigger. I'm almost positive the frame will hold, especially if you reinforce any holes you make.

However, if you're worried about it and you have access to the materials, some good thick sheets of metal would be the strongest frame. But, that'd be heavy...very heavy...so I wouldn't suggest it.

Pulleys are infinately verasatile. The more pulleys you use, the less work you have to do and the more weight it will hold.
You can spend a few dollars more and get some extra strong pulleys, but I don't think you have to worry to much, so long as you keep your wings as light as possible. ^^

Those are just my tips, however.
I'd love to hear how it turns out. ^^

Ayaka
10-29-2003, 01:32 PM
AlikNyankoChan - my wings were not going to be quite that large, but aside from the fact that I mis-designed the mechanics, I was using polystrene baseboard for my wings; much lighter than pine, and still quite strong. You might want to look into it, though I did have a problem with driling into the bottom part of the frame (it cracked, though I'm not sure if it was my drill speed, too close to the edge, what).

Well, anyway, another alternative for you to investigate, perhaps.

Nietsche
10-29-2003, 01:58 PM
This moving wing tutorial is thorough and inspiring (the pulley system is similar to the one I had thought about and tried out on a cardboard model). I've been trying to work a way to make the pulley cord as discrete as possible for my Raphael (Tenshi ni Narumon) costume. I was also impressed by your adaptation of existing feathers to produce wings larger than the feathers were made for.

The only questions that arise are- How well will the wings collapse when relaxed?

I also noticed that your wings are fixed perpendicularly to your back obscuring them unless a sideview or 1/4 shot is used. I realise this serves the purpose of being accurate to Balmung's design and facilitates getting through doors and such, but do you think it possible to allow the wings lateral (I dunno if this is the actual term) movement so they show up in front views?

I also found it interesting that you matched the wing "frame" length to your own arm length.

Oselle
10-29-2003, 04:13 PM
Excellent wing tutorial!

I'm currently working on a set of dragon wings for a project, and instead of using wood, I'm using aluminum. It's lightweight, strong, and you can find it at most large hardware stores. I actually got some strips meant for covering tile, you can also find aluminum roofing trim or door trim, that works well too.

Saeru
10-29-2003, 07:15 PM
The only questions that arise are- How well will the wings collapse when relaxed?

The balmung wings collapsed surprisingly well. The wires and strings were placed where they were with that in mind...all of the feathers overlapped.

The Clover wings took a bit of manipulation. The fishline that attatches them together connects them from the back of one feather to the front of another. Its true they have gotten caught when retracting, but if you lean foreward slightly, since they're at an angle, they fold into place just as they should. (this is very hard to explain in words... the angle the wing is at to my back allows for the feathers to line downwards when I lean forward: (the ... lines are hypothetical. It wouldn't let me post that many spaces. -.-;)
\ ................../
| \.............../ |
| | \.........../ | |
..| | \____/ | |
....|............|....
)


I also noticed that your wings are fixed perpendicularly to your back obscuring them unless a sideview or 1/4 shot is used. I realise this serves the purpose of being accurate to Balmung's design and facilitates getting through doors and such, but do you think it possible to allow the wings lateral (I dunno if this is the actual term) movement so they show up in front views?

The Balmung wings are, yes, because of his design. And, actually, they are angled just slightly. The Clover wings are angled much more...
the design of the back support plate is a little different for them. The metal peices that stick out with the holes are mounted from the side as opposed to the back. That allowed for a 45 degree angle without loosing any of the structure. So it was realistic, and well viewable from all angles. That, however, placed the wings in very un-winglike places on my back.

The metal was welded like so:

\__ And then placed on the edge of the backplate like so:

\___________/
|__________|
Backplate

As opposed to the Balmung wings which were more like this:
__|____|___
|_________|

The angle is completely at the discretion of the cosplayer...^^

(note: I can't find the digital camera, or this would have been a lot easier to explain. ^^;)


I also found it interesting that you matched the wing "frame" length to your own arm length.

I did? o.o That might have been accidental, if I did. Or I'm not quite getting what you mean. ^^;


You brought up really good questions...thanks a lot for your post!
^_^

Saeru
10-29-2003, 07:24 PM
Excellent wing tutorial!

I'm currently working on a set of dragon wings for a project, and instead of using wood, I'm using aluminum. It's lightweight, strong, and you can find it at most large hardware stores. I actually got some strips meant for covering tile, you can also find aluminum roofing trim or door trim, that works well too.


Oh, yes!
Thats the stuff my dad has in the garage.
Thankyou for mentioning it. ^^

Kusanagi
10-29-2003, 09:58 PM
I'm currently working on a new version of my dragoon armor and I am making 3 part collapsable wings for it that fold into the back to facilitate with doors and the like. I'll definately let you know how they turn out!

Plus, its remarkable to see how you figured this stuff out. Not many people think that cosplay can involve engineering, and I go out of my way to find costumes that involve alot ^_^

*Jibrielle*
11-01-2003, 09:07 PM
OMG I love you thanks for posting this ^_^

Yui
11-02-2003, 02:59 AM
Yay, you finally posted this. ^o^ (Are you not counting the Krad wings for some reason, tho...?)

Looking forward to seeing many more pretty fire hazards in the crowded hallways next con season. ^_-

Saeru
11-03-2003, 11:48 AM
I'm currently working on a new version of my dragoon armor and I am making 3 part collapsable wings for it that fold into the back to facilitate with doors and the like. I'll definately let you know how they turn out!


I can't wait to see them. ^^


Plus, its remarkable to see how you figured this stuff out. Not many people think that cosplay can involve engineering, and I go out of my way to find costumes that involve alot ^_^

I really agree. ^^ I suppose, in my mind...the costumes themselves arent always that difficult. They take a lot of time, yes, and a lot of altering, but with enough dedicated effort, people can make good costumes. (I say not always because I've never had issues with the cloth parts of stuff. Its always the accessories that seem to take the extra effort from people.) The engineering aspect of it tends to involve a little more thinking, and a lot more planning. Which is why they're so fun to see!

Jibrielle: You're quite welcome. ^^

Saeru
11-25-2003, 06:36 AM
A sort of a bump, ne?

SquishedFlower
11-25-2003, 06:37 PM
ehAh I need to make these wings (look at pickie) It has been frusterating me for a while, the wings need to start out small and then get bigger, They dont need to move, and they dont have to be too big, I just have noo idea what so ever on how to make them, I also need to figure out how to make an unseen eing corset for the wings to go on the outfit is really open in the front so I have absolutly no idea -_- ' please help me! I have a long time to work on this but i want to make sure I get it right.

Saeru
11-26-2003, 03:12 AM
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=97933&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=1
This was what I came up with when I looked at the picture. It depends on whether you're wanting to use real feathers or not...but there are two possibilities...one with real feathers, the other with something like cardboard. For real feathers...two blades would work, with a string between holding the feathers. The shoulder harness should be invisible under the outfit.
I'd suggest aluminum sheets for making the "cross" support on the back, because you can bend them to fit you, if you need to.
This design is what I would do...I can't guarantee that it would work, but I would bet that it would. ^^ Good luck.

SquishedFlower
11-26-2003, 05:21 PM
Yes, I would defidently like to use real feathers, thank you very much this has helped me very much, I am still not exactly sure on how to make them but I am sure i can figure it out from here! This is my first set of wings so I am realy nervous this is a pricey costume in general so I really dont want to mess up! Thanks ^_^

Nietsche
11-26-2003, 07:10 PM
You brought up really good questions...thanks a lot for your post!
^_^

You're welcome!
It's been quite a conundrum all this wing making! It's baffled me ever since someone suggest that I do Raphael from Tenshi ni Narumon...so yeah I gotta make just one wing!

Saeru
11-26-2003, 10:22 PM
squished: It isn't a problem. ^^ Actually, using real feathers on that design would be really do-able...since her wings have such a layered look. The planks could be wood...or, since feathers are so light...you might even get away with foam core.

Niet: Just one? o.o that'd be hard to keep up and balanced. Though the Sephiroth at Expo did quite a wonderful job. Made me jealous, really, since my wings never looked as good as his. (though his didn't move, so I felt a little justified) Wings are...so...nice....;_;

Armorfiend
01-04-2004, 03:04 AM
EDIT: (to reflect current whimsy)
I've decided to try building wings. Or at least, parts of them, however much I can get done in the next six months.
I've been staring at bird bones all day. I've got somewhat of an idea, but I haven't done any experimenting yet.

Must... Steal... Straws... from... PX! (Pins and straws for a scale model.)

I was watching National Geographic the other day and it gave me an idea for a vast, time-consuming way of producing really long feathers. I can't recall the name for the process, I think it's called 'imping'. But basically, it's used by raptor owners to repair broken feathers. The broken end is cut cleanly, a short shaft (generally wood) is inserted into the hollow tube of the feather, glued into place, and then an appropriate feather from the owner's stock is cut to match the missing bit of the broken feather, and glued over the shaft.
This works because once the feathers have matured, they have a hollow core. Afterwards, the area of the join is dusted with talcum powder to ensure that the glue doesn't stick to anything else.

So what I'm thinking is, this process could be used to create feathers of considerable length. Simply take the flight feathers, cut probably the last third of it off, where it narrows, and take the base 2/3 that should be of a more-or-less uniform width, and attatch it to the next feather.

I'm going to get some feathers shipped out here and give it a try. The only problem would be that this gives you very long and skinny feathers; the longer the feather becomes, the narrower it will look. A three-inch wide, foot long feather looks pretty wide; a three-inch wide, three-foot long feather will look pretty narrow by comparison...

AlikNyankoChan
01-05-2004, 12:58 AM
(The largest bird that ever flew had a wingspan of 25 feet and it's primaries were 5 feet in length. It weighed 171 pounds...but it's extinct. It did fly, though.)

I think those feathers you're suggesting would end up looking too disporportionate for a costume...If I wanted big feathers, I'd go with a carved foam, or fabric.

I'm just going to go with the method of hot gluing my 5 pounds of feathers to the frame, since I'm not quite crazy enough to sew them all down ^^;;;

Angel wings can't do anything but extend up...I guess they have a limited ball joint at the base, but the basic concept...it just doesn't seem to work. Yeah, looking at bird books as well for the last few months and working on usable designs.

What fabric should I be using as a base? I want it to be as light as possible, but the feathers and hotglue still stick well to it. And it not deteriorate over time, and not sag under the weight of all the feathers ^^;;

~Alik-Nyanko

A J
01-05-2004, 02:08 AM
The only problem would be that this gives you very long and skinny feathers; the longer the feather becomes, the narrower it will look. A three-inch wide, foot long feather looks pretty wide; a three-inch wide, three-foot long feather will look pretty narrow by comparison...

My friends and I did something similar to create really long (3-4 feet) feathers for our Wish wings. It actually looks pretty ok, but we were going for angel wings, not bird wings, and who's gonna tell us that it's not accurate? :) We did it by gluing feathers on top of each other. The only problem is that there is a slight curve to the feathers so as you add more, the long feathers do this funky curling thing.

If you want to see what the tail feathers looked like:
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=61688&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=3

Uh... diregard the actual content of the photo. LOL. It's very not-in-character.

Armorfiend
01-07-2004, 04:22 AM
My friends and I did something similar to create really long (3-4 feet) feathers for our Wish wings. It actually looks pretty ok, but we were going for angel wings, not bird wings, and who's gonna tell us that it's not accurate? :) We did it by gluing feathers on top of each other. The only problem is that there is a slight curve to the feathers so as you add more, the long feathers do this funky curling thing.

If you want to see what the tail feathers looked like:
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=61688&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=3

Uh... diregard the actual content of the photo. LOL. It's very not-in-character.

Hmm... I believe I could eliminate the curling effect by running the rod down the center of the feather.
I've been thinking about it; the feathers wouldn't have to be more than 2 feet or so long, which if I use white turkey primaries wouldn't look too bad. That calls for, however, approximately 500 feathers. (250 left, 250 right) minimum. Plus assorted smaller feathers to do the leading edge and elbow/wrist. This will allow 70 doubly-extended feathers on each side to be covered with a second layer of non-extended feathers. (210 feathers each side so far) If it looks like it calls for it, the final set of feathers can be extended a third time for additional length. Approximate weight of the feathers: 2-3 pounds.

This unfortunately also calls for 140 to 160 FEET of very narrow (1/8th inch) dowel rod. Approximate weight (owing to its narrow diameter) is only 3-5 pounds.

I want to use aluminum for the skeleton. Don't have an approximate weight for that yet.
On the up shot I've found a local shop I may be able to use for the wood/metal work. Down side, no local availability of fabric/sewing materials.

I have BUKU time on my hands here. If I can get the materials together, I'll glue and sew everything individually. If I can get it.

...As far as foam feathers go; they just don't look real, you know?

AlikNyankoChan
01-07-2004, 06:10 PM
Foam will never look as good as actual feathers, agreed.

http://www.rainbowfeatherco.com/FeathersFrame.htm
Do you mean "wing rounds"? as the primaries? Those have quite a curve. You might have to cut a bit off to make your idea work(I like the idea ^^).

~Alik-Nyanko

Armorfiend
01-10-2004, 06:00 AM
Actually, I was going to use pointers. Thus the importance of getting an equal number of right and left side feathers.

I haven't been able to play with my pet birds in a while so I'm not positive if the wings have a significant number of symmetrical feathers on them, but the ones that make up the flight surfaces are all asymmetrical, so it'd be good enough for government work :)

Saeru
11-09-2004, 03:40 PM
Back! *looks around* I think I'm going to have to add some better pictures on here.

Saeru
01-19-2006, 02:56 AM
ALRIGHT. Now that I have a GOOD digital camera...lets see if I can't add some photos that AREN'T drawings! Also, expect new in-progress shots of the wings I'm going to be making for Acen.

Saeru
01-20-2006, 01:45 AM
Ha! Drug out the old wings and posted the pictures. Man, they're a little worse for the wear, but...they still function!

cibonibo
01-23-2006, 04:06 AM
A very nice tutorial. I'm sure it will come in handy in the future.

Those bolts you used are a type of joint (connector) bolts. I'm using them in my robot hand in progress.

RevGirl
01-23-2006, 02:24 PM
0_0 hats off to you. I suggest that with some of the tutorial pics that you make the red font a bit clearer, I can't quite read it, it's a bit fuzzy. Look pretty good too, it's an understatement to say I'm impressed. I'm making my first pair of large, angel wings. My ideas are quite different: I'm making use of copper tubing, craft foam and feathers, with the wings sliding into slots on my harness. Reading through this again more thoroughly and after I make my wings on my own I'd be interested to put it into practice. Thanks ^_^

Saeru
01-25-2006, 01:06 AM
Cibonibo: Joint connector bolts...they're really quite handy. The place that I buy them from, they come unpackaged, so no one's ever been able to tell me before. Thanks. ^.^

Revgirl: I -really- wish I could do something about that font. If I had known it would become that fuzzy in compression, I wouldn't have compressed it. But I saved over the original pictures, so the bad ones are the only ones I've got. Thats why I referenced those as URLs, and wrote the red in the description. I do wish it were more clear, though.
After you get yours done, you should post your tips!

cyankirby
01-26-2006, 02:04 AM
Thank you so much for posting this!!!! It has been much help... Do you have any suggestions/tips for wings that are vertical (I'm making a griffon-will be on all 4's hence the vertical wings). I haven't actually started the wings but I have a feeling that they will have to be fairly durable and use a strong base material. Again thanks so much for the tutorial.
Your Balmung looks great btw! Wish I could've gotten a pic with you with my Mia cosplay... :( Balmungs are so scarce...

Saeru
01-26-2006, 11:48 PM
Cyankirby: A pair of wings that I made(that I completely forgot that I made) using the same techniques were worn by a girl at Acen 03, who for posing would often lie stomach first on the ground. They held up perfectly well for it, so I'd think they ought to work for what you're wanting to do, also. ^.^
Best suggestions are to use as light of materials as you can the further away you get from your body, and as strong as you can the closer you get. You'll see as you work what can and cant be done. ^.^
*goes off to find pictures of those other wings*

Saeru
01-27-2006, 12:33 AM
Alright! I added some pictures of the red wings, in their 'upright' position, also. ^.^

Edit: Ok, so I lied. It won't let me add any more info due to length. -.- Silly post. But here is what I wrote:

These wing designs to also tend to work well if one needs vertical wings(such as for a pegasus, or for lying on the ground), so long as the support on the back is STRONG, and I'd suggest longer metal angles to give more strength to the connection. Here are some pictures of a pair I constructed(rather hastily) a few years ago, that held up well under movement from a lot of different angles
http://images2.cosplay.com/photos/13/138616.jpg
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=138623

cyankirby
02-06-2006, 10:44 PM
Thanks a lot! I think that info will come in handy... I still haven't started them but I got some materials that I think will work for the wings. Heh heh I may have some questions later... But thank you so much for posting this thread!!!!

Saeru
02-15-2006, 12:46 AM
Its no problem at all! Best of luck to you! ^.^

IamCozplayah
02-19-2006, 06:18 PM
Awesome designing skillz, I'm really lazy though so I'm gonna make stationary folded up wings.

djkidna
07-02-2006, 12:10 PM
I am currently working on my own design for wings. Here's a tip for any potential wing designers who are in college...
Make friends with a student in the engineering department. Trust me on this. They will steer you in the right direction.

Gacktsama
11-24-2006, 01:06 AM
Um, don't mean to sound stupid or noobish or anything, but materials do you use for the non-pulley/movable wings? Thick wiring and ....canvas?? O_O yeah, I'm THAT much of a newbie.
What materials do you use? How would you make just ONE wing for a costume?

NekoVio
11-26-2006, 09:21 PM
omg, sweet! I was looking for this EXACT kind of thing for a clover cosplay I was thinking of doing. Oluha baby! Thank you much for posting this. You're a total god-send.

CottonFluff
12-04-2006, 05:53 PM
Wow.

Thank you for posting this (very) comprehensive guide.
:bigtu:

A question: Do the wings stay out when you've extended them with the pulleys? Like for pictures and such. I'm thinking of making a sivak (http://aurak.braxus.net/CS/photos/braxus/images/211/original.aspx) costume (not quite cosplay, I know :bashful: ) and I'd be carrying around a sword, so having my arms at my sides would be difficult for posing...

Maybe attaching the ends of the cords to my upper arms would do it.
Hmm...

Vash_Fanatic
12-23-2006, 03:27 AM
Wow.That is a great idea.What materials would you use if you want the wings to look like this:

21838

I've been trying to think of ways to make them.I like your design of moving wings.

CottonFluff
12-23-2006, 03:07 PM
Wow.That is a great idea.What materials would you use if you want the wings to look like this:

21838

I've been trying to think of ways to make them.I like your design of moving wings.

Maybe pvc and something satiny? I think that they would work with the pulley system...

Melodious_me
01-19-2007, 03:13 PM
I kind of get it...Kind of..

But..What about if you're going about doing a Rosiel cosplay and he has the three wings...?

Thanks for the guide!

RiniKun
01-22-2007, 06:20 PM
*Bows to you* This is awesome, I am eternally grateful for the help!

chisainekocat
03-31-2007, 04:52 PM
Yes, thread bump!

Anyway, out of curiousity, I was wondering if people could tell me how long it takes to make wings of all different types and sizes.

Marika
04-01-2007, 12:19 AM
*bookmarks this thread as it'll be a massive help as she's attempting to make something that will work for TJ!CS2 Sasuke without any sort of electrical devices since last time she tried to work with electronic stuff, she fried her laptop*

Kelaos
04-13-2007, 11:51 PM
This tutorial Seems great!

I'm planning on doing a Sephiroth cosplay, with his one wing. So do you guys think I could just have one wing? Or would it be really unbalanced and annoying?

And I would also like to know if they stay extended?

Thanks very much!

djkidna
05-09-2007, 01:19 PM
Here's another hint that might work for some people. Take a peak at the workings of porch/deck umbrellas.

djkidna
05-16-2007, 06:19 PM
If anyone wants to see the progress on my wings, check out my photo gallery for Dark Mousy

Ramsis
05-18-2007, 11:34 AM
I didn't run through all the links just yet (or read all the post yet to be honest *sweatdrop*), but I was wondering if you did moving fairy wings. Cause I'm trying to cosplay as Sugar and Pepper from the anime A Tiny Snow Fairy Sugar, and their wings are pretty basic, so I was thinking of trying to make them move. Any help?

Saeru
05-18-2007, 06:24 PM
*bookmarks this thread as it'll be a massive help as she's attempting to make something that will work for TJ!CS2 Sasuke without any sort of electrical devices since last time she tried to work with electronic stuff, she fried her laptop*

I did a pair of CS2 Sasuke wings, using a pair of motors, but it would be exceptionally simple to convert the design over to mechanical if you'd like to see the schematics. ^.^

Saeru
05-18-2007, 06:25 PM
If anyone wants to see the progress on my wings, check out my photo gallery for Dark Mousy

Very neat! ^.^ You obviously spent a good time looking into that movement. o.o Looks like it will be a pretty impressive wingspan when completed, too.

Saeru
05-18-2007, 06:26 PM
I didn't run through all the links just yet (or read all the post yet to be honest *sweatdrop*), but I was wondering if you did moving fairy wings. Cause I'm trying to cosplay as Sugar and Pepper from the anime A Tiny Snow Fairy Sugar, and their wings are pretty basic, so I was thinking of trying to make them move. Any help?

Can you show me a picture of what you're trying to do? I'm sure that it can be done very basically.

Saeru
05-18-2007, 06:27 PM
>.> Erf. Sorry about that. I'll combine all those answers next time.

Ramsis
05-19-2007, 12:15 AM
http://pantransit.reptiles.org/images/2002-08-25/iklesugar.jpg
http://images.minitokyo.net:8001/view/37405.jpg

Their the most basic of fairy wings, standard oval shape. The wings are the exact same on both Sugar (the white fairy) and Pepper (the green fairy).

Kat Murz
05-20-2007, 10:33 PM
yay, this is awsome. I have a question, do you think that I could convert the tutorial to work some how for my Abel Nightlord wings, and does anyone have any good suggestions on what to make them out of?? Their kind of mechanical looking like the clover...but more complicated cause its trinity blood and thores, who's nuts with details >.<

Ref pic: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e138/artistkat/28_491.jpg

Berenice
05-21-2007, 05:52 AM
Oh my gosh...

That's so cool!

*studies it*

Oh yeah, clarification:

So you only pull ONE string (that wire thing) to make the whole thing move,
And the whole thing moves because all the other small pieces of "wing feathers" are attached to the big wing?

chiugi
05-22-2007, 11:55 PM
could you please briefly explain how to make the "box" which the wings attached to .

thank you ~

Saeru
05-23-2007, 12:33 PM
My, this thread has been active of late. o.o I've had to re-read my own tutorial, since its been so long since I made a pair. ^.^ I can see where a good deal of what I'm saying is confusing, and it looks like its time for a good reworking of this thread. But until then, I'll try and answer some questions:

http://pantransit.reptiles.org/images/2002-08-25/iklesugar.jpg
http://images.minitokyo.net:8001/view/37405.jpg

Their the most basic of fairy wings, standard oval shape. The wings are the exact same on both Sugar (the white fairy) and Pepper (the green fairy).

Would you like to be able to control their movement, or would you like them to just sort of flow around on their own?

yay, this is awsome. I have a question, do you think that I could convert the tutorial to work some how for my Abel Nightlord wings, and does anyone have any good suggestions on what to make them out of?? Their kind of mechanical looking like the clover...but more complicated cause its trinity blood and thores, who's nuts with details >.<

Ref pic: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e138/artistkat/28_491.jpg

As silly as this sounds, I would get some PVC pipe from your local hardware store, soak it in very hot water, and then bend it into shape, for the basic frame. I would then use some sort of plastic sheeting to make the individual feathers, although you might want to go with something more rigid, that doesn't flex(I can't think of anything off the top of my head right now besides basic things like cardboard or foam core, but if I do, I'll let you know). Stick with LIGHT materials, as that looks like it could get heavy, fast. o.o For the organic-y bits, my good friend Yui used wrapped pipe-cleaners and hot-glue to make her Nightmare Sword (http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=787886), which has a very similar effect, and is more lightweight than using, say, wire. These are just my initial thoughts on the subject...I'd probably end up editing them as I went along, if I were making it. As far as making them move...I don't see why not. ^.^ Just be careful where you place your pivot points, with something that massive.

Oh my gosh...

That's so cool!

*studies it*

Oh yeah, clarification:

So you only pull ONE string (that wire thing) to make the whole thing move,
And the whole thing moves because all the other small pieces of "wing feathers" are attached to the big wing?

This is correct. Since all the other strings are connected to the part of the frame that moves, when you pull the string that moves the frame around the pivot, all the other strings(with feathers) move as well. ^.^


could you please briefly explain how to make the "box" which the wings attached to .

thank you ~

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, sorry. ^.^; Do you mean the wing frame, itself, or do you mean the harness?

Kat Murz
05-23-2007, 11:13 PM
awsome!! Thanks for the tips! You Rock major!! ^__^

lisboneyes
05-29-2007, 08:49 PM
AJ-

I loved the qoute-


''My friends and I did something similar to create really long (3-4 feet) feathers for our Wish wings. It actually looks pretty ok, but we were going for angel wings, not bird wings, and who's gonna tell us that it's not accurate?''

That was excellent. How did your project come to look so far? I assisted a friend for this years ACEN in IL for his Devil Jin. Someone else made his wings and I wish we could have found this wing tutorial in time. oh well, on with the show...

djkidna
05-29-2007, 11:30 PM
New update, video that shows my wings working (not very well, I ran into a difficulty with the right wing pre stage show)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ywi-SoHajQo

Pixie of Death
06-03-2007, 11:55 PM
Kat Murz: I'm in precisely the same boat as you. Thores is evil. :p

I too was thinking of using PVC for the framework, but I'm concerned about the move-ability... I assume the PVC would have to be cut at the joints in order for the wings to be collapsable? Perhaps some sort of flexible plastic hose would work (I have something in mind, but I can't for the life of me think of what it's called...)?

As for the feathers, I was considering using fun foam. It's extremely light and it's flexible enough that you wouldn't have to worry about it getting banged up, which is my main concern with foamcore.

And for all the crazy... organic... uh... stuff (:p), I think caulk would work splendidly (I <3 caulk!). And I'm thinking hot glue may work nicely as well...

angelzxdemonz
06-06-2007, 10:33 PM
thankyou SO much for this tutorial *loves*

my friend and i are making huge movable wings for our angel sanctuary costumes, and ive been looking for this thread ever since i found it a few months ago xDD

Miscy8
07-11-2007, 10:18 AM
Hello, I'm new to cosplay (though not costuming...oh, how I love Halloween ;) ) and really want to make some Clover-style wings. Fortunately, I have a lot of time before the con I'm planning to attend.
I'd been designing the wing structure like so (http://flickr.com/photos/9249030@N02/776088173/) (green is inside wiring, red is an alternate I toyed with), then realized "DUH, I bet somebody else has made movable Clover wings!"

The only problem is, for some reason, the links to your schematics don't work for me. I was wondering if you still had them? I would be grateful. :)

I'm very open to changing the design. I'm a little worried about making a comfortable harness, as I'd prefer to make it as invisible as possible.

november.eyes
07-26-2007, 01:26 PM
ah! some of the photo's aren't working for your feather'd wings, can you re-add the links please?

if its just my computer nevermind.

awesome tutorial though!

Saeru
07-28-2007, 01:06 AM
If the pictures fail to load, this tutorial is also available for viewing at The CosplayWiki. (http://www.cosplaywiki.org/index.php/Wings) ^.^
Sorry about that.

Marika
07-31-2007, 02:18 PM
I did a pair of CS2 Sasuke wings, using a pair of motors, but it would be exceptionally simple to convert the design over to mechanical if you'd like to see the schematics. ^.^

Holy wow. I'd like you forever, love you for always... Everything I've attempted up to this point has been majour fail. ^^;

abellabella
08-01-2007, 06:33 AM
What great works of art your devices are Saeru. Love the thread, and very much happy that it's around. Now to get on with business... :)
I have a similar question to that of Ramsis, which is mainly the construction of simple or common shaped fairy wings that move.
I have read the entire thread, so correct me if I am wrong..has there been talk about wings moving on their own due to some electronics? I've heard about the pully technique..but I'm also very tired so maybe i missed some things.

I realize this isn't a 'what kind of material should i use' thread, but i would like to ask what your opinion is on the material for making these wings with the techniques you've established. I'm assuming any light weight fabric works fine.

Here's a picture of a common, butterfly wing design that I possibly am thinking of doing:

The_Big_Z
08-22-2007, 01:56 AM
I dont get something..How do the wing go Down?

I understand how you pull the card and the Wings come up..go backin? Confusing

do i need 2 cards, one for underneath, the second for above...?

lilyun5368
08-22-2007, 12:33 PM
excellent

Saeru
09-05-2007, 09:18 PM
What great works of art your devices are Saeru. Love the thread, and very much happy that it's around. Now to get on with business... :)
I have a similar question to that of Ramsis, which is mainly the construction of simple or common shaped fairy wings that move.
I have read the entire thread, so correct me if I am wrong..has there been talk about wings moving on their own due to some electronics? I've heard about the pully technique..but I'm also very tired so maybe i missed some things.

I realize this isn't a 'what kind of material should i use' thread, but i would like to ask what your opinion is on the material for making these wings with the techniques you've established. I'm assuming any light weight fabric works fine.

Here's a picture of a common, butterfly wing design that I possibly am thinking of doing:


Thats a very neat picture. *grins* Good luck with that outfit.

I have a pretty good idea of how the movement could be accomplished, and fairly easily. Which direction are you wanting them to move, however? Are you wanting them to 'flutter' in and out or 'spread' up and down?

As far as materials go....definitely stick with something light. I've seen a number of people use nylons/stockings in making fairy/butterfly wings, and the effect is usually very gossamer and lovely. I've also seen translucent plastic used. For the edges I'd recommend foam or foam-core (since both are light) and to just be careful when you're cutting it to avoid a jagged edge.



I dont get something..How do the wing go Down?

I understand how you pull the card and the Wings come up..go backin? Confusing

do i need 2 cards, one for underneath, the second for above...?


The wings go down because of the helpful assistance of gravity, so you shouldn't need a second cord for them to re-fold.

D001
09-22-2007, 03:55 AM
This has been an awesome tutorial. But I do have a question regarding the actual attachment of the wings to your costume (harness, etc).

I am planning on doing this costume:
http://gallery.digik.net/view/9639 (front view)
http://gallery.digik.net/view/9637 (back view for guy in white)

As you can see from the front, there's not a real way to do straps for a harness, though it seems as though the wings fit into the backplate which attach to the shoulder armor. So how would you suggest securing the wings? Any materials I ought to consider for keeping them extremely lightweight? I am not interested in having them move and I'm pretty confident from your tutorial that I can manage the feather attaching. I am just worried that everything will be hanging off of the shoulder armor which is attached to the cloak which is just hanging off of the shoulders and not secured to him at all. ^_^;; I am probably in over my head with this costume, but I'd really like to give it a shot, so any advice wing/attachment wise you are kind enough to offer me is wonderful.

Thank you!!

D

Saeru
09-22-2007, 12:47 PM
This has been an awesome tutorial. But I do have a question regarding the actual attachment of the wings to your costume (harness, etc).

I am planning on doing this costume:
http://gallery.digik.net/view/9639 (front view)
http://gallery.digik.net/view/9637 (back view for guy in white)

As you can see from the front, there's not a real way to do straps for a harness, though it seems as though the wings fit into the backplate which attach to the shoulder armor. So how would you suggest securing the wings? Any materials I ought to consider for keeping them extremely lightweight? I am not interested in having them move and I'm pretty confident from your tutorial that I can manage the feather attaching. I am just worried that everything will be hanging off of the shoulder armor which is attached to the cloak which is just hanging off of the shoulders and not secured to him at all. ^_^;; I am probably in over my head with this costume, but I'd really like to give it a shot, so any advice wing/attachment wise you are kind enough to offer me is wonderful.

Thank you!!

D

For that costume I -definitely- would suggest a small harness, actually, since the straps would easily hide underneath the layers of clothing. This is just because, unless you make your shoulder armors very weighty, the wings are going to off-balance them and topple off behind you, as it seems you're trying to avoid.

I have made myself a harness out of sheet metal I purchased from Lowes, before, and it wasn't difficult. I cut the piece into a trapezoid and bent until it pretty much fit the curve of my back, attached some thin leather straps, and allowed two slits in the back of my shirt for the wing-rods to go through(so it was invisible underneath the outfit). This ended up to work pretty well, so thats what I'd suggest.

D001
09-22-2007, 01:19 PM
For that costume I -definitely- would suggest a small harness, actually, since the straps would easily hide underneath the layers of clothing. This is just because, unless you make your shoulder armors very weighty, the wings are going to off-balance them and topple off behind you, as it seems you're trying to avoid.

I have made myself a harness out of sheet metal I purchased from Lowes, before, and it wasn't difficult. I cut the piece into a trapezoid and bent until it pretty much fit the curve of my back, attached some thin leather straps, and allowed two slits in the back of my shirt for the wing-rods to go through(so it was invisible underneath the outfit). This ended up to work pretty well, so thats what I'd suggest.

Thank you! I think I'll start trying to draft that out and PM you if I have any more questions?

D

white_rabbit
09-30-2007, 05:57 AM
Awesome tutorial ^^

I am just wondering how would I make wings, that are light enough to sit on my head?

Just like this character:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Genesis_au/000073gy.jpg

KillaBeeSwarm
09-30-2007, 08:42 AM
Awesome tutorial ^^

I am just wondering how would I make wings, that are light enough to sit on my head?

Just like this character:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Genesis_au/000073gy.jpg

Actually, it looks like the wings are just really high up on the back.

white_rabbit
09-30-2007, 09:30 AM
nah they aren't it just appears that way.

Side on pic of his head/face
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Genesis_au/amou-main.jpg

KillaBeeSwarm
11-03-2007, 12:20 PM
nah they aren't it just appears that way.

Side on pic of his head/face
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Genesis_au/amou-main.jpg

I forgot to reply to this. Those wings look pretty big, and you'll need some type of harness to attach them to your body. Practically speaking, it may be better to attach them really high up on your back/shoulders, so it looks like they're coming out right around the neck as per the pic.

Saeru
11-05-2007, 06:00 PM
My suggestions would be using a headband that could sit underneath your wig, and attach the wings to that. As for making them light....
The way the wings are drawn makes them not look like real feathers, so I'd look for light building materials: foam core, paper-clay....heavens, I've even seen wings made out of those paper streamers that turned out very nicely.

KillaBeeSwarm
11-06-2007, 09:56 AM
My suggestions would be using a headband that could sit underneath your wig, and attach the wings to that. As for making them light....
The way the wings are drawn makes them not look like real feathers, so I'd look for light building materials: foam core, paper-clay....heavens, I've even seen wings made out of those paper streamers that turned out very nicely.

I just thought of that this morning and was going to suggest the same thing. You could attach the wings to a wig (hair clips?) or something under the wig like a headband. In that case follow Saeru's advice and use light materials so the wings don't weigh alot. I bet some neck exercises wouldn't hurt either.

white_rabbit
12-02-2007, 10:54 PM
Sorry fro the very late reply! totally forgot I posted here XD

Thank you so much for the advice~

CreepyUncleLee
04-01-2008, 03:21 PM
this is awesome can this work for say wargreymon from digimon?

Uchiha Sakura
04-30-2008, 11:16 AM
So ya I too am going to attempt making Curse Seal lv2 Sasuke. I have some questions regarding your designs though. Where would you buy those motors from? What materials would you make them out of? I'm thinking of going with Latex to give them the fleshy look would this work? I guess over all just how? I've never made wings before. I've very confused on how you made your wings.

DeepDiveRiku
05-09-2008, 06:21 PM
wow crazy tutorial but i have a question......how would u make them to lay flat on ur back?

JonathonWolf
06-05-2008, 10:49 PM
I saw something while looking up how others have done movable wings that might help some people. Where the wings pivot, add a second flex joint so that they form a diamond. PVC is relatively cheap, so I'm thinking of getting some tools and supplies to try something out. I'm going to get different diameters of pipe to make the joints easier. I'll cut away about six inches down the length of the largest two pipes and join them with a Chicago screw. About an inch down from them, I'll attach a smaller pipe to each one; and these two will be joined by Chicago screw at their lower ends. The ultimate goal is that the smaller hinge system will have room to fold inside the wing structure. I want to make it small enough not to be noticeable after putting on the "skin", and still provide good extension.

I'm not entirely sure how this will work out, but I'm trying to not have to mess with the pulley system diagramed previously. I might also experiment with using fishing weights to assist gravity in closing the wings. Probably suspend one from the support hinge if that works. In my mind, this should force the support hinge to collapse and close the wing.

hanokami
06-09-2008, 01:41 PM
would someone be able to make wings with pvc pipes?

Crazy Flower
06-09-2008, 02:05 PM
What I'm working on, is wings made from wood (maple precisely) and a PEX pipe backpack. Once I'm finished with attaching feathers I will put up a tutorial of what I did.

I found a really good tutorial for making moving wings here (http://www.instructables.com/id/Articulated-Wing-Framework/). I'm changing the lifting design and trying to do something where my hands aren't attached. But these wings lift and turn. I changed the harness and made it myself. That part I should post reasonably soon.

JonathonWolf
06-09-2008, 06:54 PM
I'm going to try to make mine out of pvc pipe. I know the harness is going to be PVC pipe since I don't know how to work with metal, but I'm sure I can do it that way. I just need to find some thin rubber hose to put over a spring. I know the spring will be strong enough, and the plan I have should allow me to have a secure harness that flexes with my shoulders.

NecromanticChii
06-16-2008, 11:10 AM
It could just be me, but for some reason I was wondering if you could easily modify the tutorial to make moving angel wings, of a large size.

I am planning on cosplaying as Alexiel (http://www.tsubasacosplay.kit.net/works/original/original_alexiel.jpg) from Angel Sanctuary. I have never made large scale wings, or anything over the size for a small BJD. If anyone could help me it would be appreciated a lot.

Thank you!

ShantiSyndrome
07-01-2008, 02:12 AM
How do you make wings that are like "open, close"?
Like.
How a bird looks like without spreading its wings, then whut it looks like when it does.
Like to pull something to expand the wigs?
UM.
And.
That looks like.
v
His wings.

Crazy Flower
07-01-2008, 05:48 PM
I ended up using a system of pulleys. What I did is took 4 screen door rollers and set them up with one near the shoulder and one down the back. Put a piece of thick rope with enough weight to pull it open and keep the wing open with tension. With a drawstring stopper, it remains open. Pull the drawstring closed, and it will contract.

ShantiSyndrome
07-01-2008, 08:17 PM
I ended up using a system of pulleys. What I did is took 4 screen door rollers and set them up with one near the shoulder and one down the back. Put a piece of thick rope with enough weight to pull it open and keep the wing open with tension. With a drawstring stopper, it remains open. Pull the drawstring closed, and it will contract.

AHHH~
Like.
D:
UM.
I'm a newb at wings and stuff, so I would need a list of materials, please, if you don't mind. Dx

President Kyo
07-09-2008, 12:21 PM
this will help me in the future thank you a bunch.

Pumpkin-Ed
09-28-2008, 09:47 AM
Uum. I have a big project going with Death Notes Ryuk. I don't really want the wings to move, but I want them to open nice and smoothly. Any ideas from anyone, how to make them do that?

ran_ichihara
12-05-2008, 06:53 AM
thanks, great!

xLunarxKishx
12-23-2008, 01:19 AM
Wow. This is really helpful. Thank you.

alex182
01-20-2009, 09:25 PM
Hmmm.. I can't seem to get the pictures in the OP to work. I've done the copy+paste, new tab, different browser, and I keep getting a 404.

Anyways, the question I wanted to ask was how do people stealth the actuation cables? I'd like to be able to open the wings without having to pull out these two cables out of my costume. Any ideas? I'm designing a electric cam based system, but I need a backup plan. :)

SaikoTanuki
04-15-2009, 11:43 PM
I'm curious to see the harness you'll use for the Sasuke wings. The reason I've been looking up wing tutorials. lol This will my biggest and first cosplay project and I have no idea on how to do it. I have an idea on how to make his wing hands. I want to make them with a wire skeleton that's bendable and make the outside cloth or some type of fabric so I can roll up the fingers so they don't get in the way when walking around. No idea if that will work or not, but I'm gonna try. ^^

Tatsu-chan
06-18-2009, 03:57 PM
excellent wing tutorial I'm actually working on a set of wings myself right now for a charizard! mine will mve to and it was actually your tutorial that made me want to make them "flap" I'll be premereing them at yumacon

Midnayuki
07-07-2009, 12:18 AM
How would you go about making wings that attach to your arm? I'm making several cucco costumes from LoZ.

Tatsu-chan
07-07-2009, 02:02 AM
that depends on if you want the arm covered or not, if yu do make like a sleeve thing and have the wing cover it

heaven_firings
08-02-2009, 02:41 AM
This tutorial is really good.

Hmmm.. I can't seem to get the pictures in the OP to work. I've done the copy+paste, new tab, different browser, and I keep getting a 404

Take the 2 out of the address, the one after the www

So for constructing wings for Dark what would be good to use? Bare in mind I've never worked with wings so this will all be new to me but I have till next year. But still any tips would be greatly helpful, because sadly text doesn't entirely help me. But I know step-by-step photos would be too much to ask.

Mystery221
08-07-2009, 05:27 PM
Thanks for the tutorial. If I don't want my wings to move (I'm doing Marie the Fallen One and her wings are always pictured folded) should I just remove the moving parts? Is the design for non-moving wings basically the same thing?

tlynnec
11-12-2009, 03:14 AM
First off, thanks for this great guide. Your use of pulleys is really innovative and the photos are very helpful.

My problem is this: I'm working on a Sayzel Aporro (Arrancar #8 from Bleach) costume, complete with the wings. I was going to use old tent poles (the kind with the elastic cord in the middle) for them. The pole sections I have separate into 3 pieces: 2 pieces @ 3 feet and 1 piece @ 2 feet, thus giving me a 16 foot wingspan. I really need a way to fold them into a doorway-accessible size, but because the wings are so thin with no feathers, etc., I can't figure out how to make a movement system that won't be visible. Also, there are 4 wings to deal with, rather than the normal 2. See photo here (http://www.tlynnec.net/temp/c-10.png).

Oh yeah... and I have to be able to mount a 12"x12" piece of electrical equipment on my back, roughly between the upper and lower sets of wings... as if there weren't enough challenges already!

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
-tlynnec

KuraKaze
03-29-2010, 12:52 AM
The images are not working for me? >_<

Yui
03-29-2010, 01:47 AM
Wow, people are still looking at this tutorial? O_o
But I'll go fix those broken images on the first page for Sae.

Nyaori
05-21-2010, 07:10 PM
I've managed to make a moving set that actually work like bird wings & fold back behind you when you put your arms down, spread when you lift your arms...they're fun. :3 If anyone would like I can put up pictures & explain the design in detail.

Faye_Tatsu
08-17-2010, 11:44 AM
From all the tutorials I have looked at this one has the most infomation. I was looking to make Medium sized feathered wings that are stationary and curved inward. Can anyone point me into the direction on how I would start this massive project? I also want to know where theirs a tutorial that is based on making Dragon wings, Any help in this project with tutorials or experiance advice would be of major Help. I thank you for this tutorial its great and Informative!

hades1991
08-28-2010, 12:38 AM
how long did it take u to make the wings?

Darazan
07-04-2011, 11:44 PM
Do you have any suggestions for making a moving set of Illidan-type wings (like folding inward like your angel wing pics show)?

Reference pic:
http://i47.tinypic.com/dc4i07.png

I'm willing to modify the design a bit to accommodate the kind of movement I'm looking for.

kizzykurbstomp
10-25-2011, 10:15 PM
awesome!

Ixora140
10-26-2011, 12:36 AM
cool ^^. Thank you so much. I really need this :D

orah257
11-18-2011, 11:28 PM
Amazing Tutorial. I have a problem though! These are the wings I want to make. I do not know what material to make it out of. I need them to be light, and if they are not moveable that would be alright. Any advice?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/88/8cctg8.png/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gray-witch/3091803301/in/photostream if the first picture is too dark this one shows it better.

Thanks!

rubyremembrance
07-05-2012, 09:42 AM
Hahahaha wow, and here I've been, looking specific things up in google and not realizing that Cosplay.com has a whole community who would SO make mechanical wings.

Wwwwwwwwoooooooowwwwwwww.

Anyways, thanks SO much for this tutorial! While it's not exactly what I'm looking to do, it definitely gave me a better idea of what I'm aiming for!!

Finnoe
10-10-2012, 10:11 PM
Wow! Thank you so much for posting this! I've been trying to find some kind of mechanism for a set of keyblade wings for Dead Fantasy Namine! This will help tons!

Autumn_light
11-25-2012, 04:44 AM
This is so exciting! I have been planning to make some moving mechanical wings for Oruha from Clover for over a year now, but I have never made anything like that before, and I was freaking out. I have such a better idea of what to do now! Thank you so much for this tutorial, and I may try to message you as I get further into it if I need some advice (do you still check this thread?)!

Usagi_Princess
01-16-2013, 03:27 PM
This tutorial brings loads of help that I need. This is an area that I have never branced out in and am trying to look everywhere for any information. I prefer having book on this type of stuff, but so far I cannot find any that suit what I need. I am looking for basic operation info for beginers and introduction. i.e. wiring, motors, circuitry and the like. Any ideas?