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von Drago
05-12-2011, 06:55 PM
There are definite misconceptions about what Costume-Con is (and can be).
And sometimes that information isn't readily available.
So how can we clear up some of the confusion & make the experience better for everyone?

von Drago
05-12-2011, 07:12 PM
Hopefully we can get some of the already started conversation over here from the other thread, but....

Just to get things started: Costume-Con is more of a Conference rather than a Convention.
It's emphasis is on education & learning as well as being fun.

trixyloupwolf
05-12-2011, 07:13 PM
trixy view on costume con nya!!

its a secret con but let trixy spoil the secret out nyahahhaaha!!<3<3<3

if you want info any just bug them a lot ^^ nyahaha!! iam good at it right guys and girls^^
they need more info on theyr webpage more info more often then just once in a while(exemple :see last info if february and then next info is may)
so let bug them or offert help ^^ so it can be less secret hehehe^^

so in trixy word

your new to costume con and your from anime convention then no worry
anime cosplayer are costumer too^^ it just we make costume from anime rather then tv show or original but its ok ^^
they have all the same categorie in the maskerade
from novice to master
waa impress witht the hight costume quality well no worry theyr master your novice so yeah no worry there just enjoy your time as a novice ^^

you wonder what gonna happen ........ya me too i wonder that too haha
so it make 2 of us wondering what will happen^^

but nothing less
let just make more friend take picture outside with nice view of the area^^ lets chat and chat some more then we can compete in various competition there its gonna be fun ^^

yes i know after 5 or 6 ish pm theyr not much to do we all have to go eat but right after ther party and maskerade and stuff like that so yeah!! let go there toguetter and enjoy the show or you would rather be in the show ^^ and have your minute of glory nya!!

then after that we can maybe go hang out at the consuite... what that well its just the room were you go hang out with friend and have some snack and breuvage ^^ and wach tv all toguetter or just talk and talk some more ^^ or event party for the next convention that win the chance to host one right ^^

aww you think you have see the dealer room well go look some more dealer are friendly artist too and maybe your eyes did not see all they were too look?? let go walk again in there we might found tresure laying around ^^

nah there no pannel you like for now but we could maybe go eat at that lil restaurant everybody were talking about no?? or just relaxe some more before the next pannel or the next thing ya wanna do^^


well the con almost over noooooo!!
its time to take all info on our new friend make a round and ask for people facebook or email right^^
last time you see them for at least one year maybe ya wanna be a lil bit more with them instead you might event want to go see before it close the costume exibition before they take it in and all^^
or maybe ya wanna register for the next year ya why not ^^

ooo sad time its over say good bye =-=
will talk on msn on facebook yeah!! ill miss you all see you next time friends

trixyloupwolf
05-12-2011, 07:14 PM
in meanwhile here some more info i could found out about costume con nya!!
picture time:
most picture are taking of you in each contest

dough if you think a lot of peopla take picture of you...well its rare unless they like the costume and want to remember it but less cause theyll see it on the web page wen its post so maybe that why less picture are taken of you

but o well ^^
you act in charatere cool it make ambiance but do not expect people to know your from a anime ^^ unless your from a sci fiction show then theyll probably know more who you are ^^

but nothing less acting charactere is fun until you get too much in charactere like almost beliving your that person @_@
some do really think that too much in anime convention hehe^^
but it make a nice ambiance too^^ right^^

so yeah just enjoy your time at costume con ^^


activities:
maskerade are super cooooll
many contest i loooove contest ^^
new video maskerade is awsome (Sad not enough entry for contest haha next time maybe)
dealer was ok small but better then the year before ^0^(the best was cc27 yet ^^)
fashion show are awsome dough just so lil prize giving out ^^''' but its ok its part of the game you know ^^ we try harder the year after right ^^

maskerade contest thingy for newbies nya:

ok here the basic contest as i could see by myself in 3 year i go ^^

fantaisy: its like the anime maskerade really same ^^ so yeah awsome

historical maskerade:
same as normal fantaisie maskerade but only historical costume are allow
and it must be docuimented as i heard ^^


single pattern:easy one or 2 or 3 pattern number and all make somthing cool out of the pattern number givin ^^ nya its a awsome contest <3 loove!!
and you show oof on stage with a walk on its fun stress free ^^

fashion folio: 2 step contest
first step: artist draw and send theyr entry in so they might win a chance to have theyr drawing in the choice book!

then second step:the book is out and sent to all so they choose one art and make that in real life(make the costume in life is awsome its like anime but not from a show its all original creation so it make it more fun more unique and one of a kind )

then you go on stage and do a walk on on the stage ^^ easy
stress freee just walk in and out

Doll contest:
make a outfit to your own dool or any plushie
or make a doll and her outfit
bring them in theyll display them in a room^^


sometime they have these contest too(not always but it depend on the group hosting nya):
hat contest: have any hat or make a hat then decorate bring it in theyll display it in a room

mouskerade:
its a fun lil thing on a sunday to relax and have fun^^
bring your plushie
then as i could analise you make them a outfit and dress them with stuff you found at the con itself ^^
then the day say ^^ you have a mini maskerade
in the consuite( room open to all al the time)
fun cute and relaxing ^^ for fun

video maskerade:
since its fairly new (just the second year they do it)
its easy make a skit on video that you could not do on stage
aka too many people aka cool effect
aka muddy or make a mess on video ^^
then send it in and voila ^^

this year not enough entry to judge but still was fun cool entry was sent as we ssaw nya!!
love love^^

quilt contest:
as i not know all ^^
you quilt something and bring it in theyll display it ^^


as iam not aware of any other contest or maskerade or show that all i can remember nya!! theyr all fun^^


pannel :
most i wanted to attend this year were same time as mine or too close to the maskerade/fashion show time to go =-='''''' as a participant so nya!!

some may talk to much on a subject and ommited maybe more detail of the subject and goes into theyr life like me ..me me me me... but that ok i guess cc people are used to that lol!!!


ambiance and stuff!!
its a relax convention!! nothing to stress about
and it nice like that once in a while to relaxe and all
after convention time pannel are off its alway cool to go in the lounge room thingy to chat with friend we see once a year ^^
but do agree sometime it get too crowded =-=
maybe a room to play board game would be nice too ^^

food
awsome free food in the consuite thingy ^^ <3<3<3<3<3<3<3

people
they were awsome^^ nice people

picture
ya its not a anime con people ^^ sorry not as many people you know
so that why not much picture taken right ^^
i did take some and it was supper fun taking picture for a girl with her camera ^^
iam happy she liked them too ^^



anime vs costumer
ya some were weird about that but o well
in my mind a costume is a costume from a show or not its still will alwayys be a costume
nya!!!

judge
ya some are not as nice as anime con
and you almost have to fight to talk to them ^^:::
compare to anime con at least judge ask question on what they seam to like on the costumer costume ^^ and like not push them out of they view as soon as they can or make them feel bad before event talking nya!! not all some do!! but ya aniem convention have friendly judge and well its a whole lot diferent but i saw both thing so its all depend on who judge really so ya !! they just judge diferently ^^

but hey almost all people are master there so i guess its pretty much harder to judge
(AND I MEAN WOW SO MANY AWSOME COSTUME SO YEAH BRAVO TO THE JUDGE CAUSE IT LOOOK REALLY HARD TO CHOOSE IN ALL THOSE AWSOME COSTUMER^^)
dough sad thing is wen i went to see some judge they say i guess its from a anime
it was a original i was a little fuzz about it cause they did;t really look much anithing i was trying to get them look they were mad i assume
wen i got to them she before i start talking say ""seam were taking too much time so we must hurry and seem not really happy about it seam they got told or so i assume
but still sad being french its a lil harder to make my point to oblige them to look wen they do not want to and they were behind a round table showing stuff to them in a lil corner they did;t seem to want to look aniway so nya to them ^^:::


but all other contest fashion show judge seam ok at least ^^ they were not all bad ^^
dough i prefer juge that are not behind a table ^^:: so they can see and look a lil bit more interested in a costume lol
seem costume con has they way of judging ^^ someday ill learn the thing @_@ so hard to try to please the judge every year nyaaa!!
but still iam trying harder and harder nya haha!!


in conclusion i love costume con

i do agree it diferent then anime con and i like that ^^
anime con are crowded anime con are younger too
anime con need to have more rule and more stuff to entertaine the younger one cause obviously they need to move and do stuff or make mischivious thing haha so they keep them busy nya!! ya we get bored easely but theyr alway a way to enjoy ourself you know ^^ there plenty of people we can organise stuff its not under a rule not to have fun^^
it event encourage to organise our own stuff ^^
nya!!

but i loooove anime con a really a lot too ^^
and i do not get so in picture asking then that so
i do not see really the probleme with people not getting picture from other ya its fun but you can just organise one fotoshoot time and then iam sure they would have picture takene of them nnya!! theyre always a solution to all ^^
if no one talk no one will get anithing right nya!!


maybe we could insert somme late night or after lunch time contest ^^or something like that ^^::
aka maybe a gameshow with contestant and people to wacht
exemple geopardy la poule au oeuf d or ani game show
not only uestion show thing that make us move too ^^
sitting and relaxing is fun but moving too ^^

younster like to move hehe and well older people like to sit and relaxe and talk more ^^
nya!! maybe that why some young get bore nya!! <3<3<3

von Drago
05-12-2011, 08:06 PM
Since these points were made on another thread I hope they don't mind me quoting them here.

Supergeekgirl said:
“There are a lot of CC in-jokes. This actually bothers me a bit too. If we're going to have "entertainment" (aka a funny emcee or a play during the social), it needs to be accessible even to us n00bs who don't know what happened at CC8. A few little in-jokes is fine, but this con in particular seemed to thrive on it. To some of the people who had never been, it almost seemed like the jokes were there to make them feel young and stupid.”

Stardust462 said:
“I felt this way too, though I didn't feel . I guess I'm kind of used to it because when I go to my ICG chapter meetings there's always a lot of reminiscing about the past and old stories, but there's also explanation to go with it. My mom and I were talking about the con on the way home (she came to CC27 also) and we think there needs to be some element to the con that makes new members feel like they're not outsiders, because sometimes I did feel that way (my shyness doesn't help with that either). I don't know if the CC Virgins panel on Friday covered anything like that”

Very true, the in-jokes can get to be a bit much even for those of who get most of them. It tends to feel a little too clique-ish. I'm sure they weren't intended to make anyone feel excluded but that can be the end result.

What ways can we make this better? Aside from assigning a translator to every newbie :D

Sarcasm-hime
05-12-2011, 08:33 PM
I guess I'm going to have to re-watch the masquerades as I don't recall a ton of newbie-alienating in-jokes...hm.

I think we do need to make clear when talking up CC that it is *small* con with a much more laid-back vibe than most cosplayers are used to, and that the focus is more on learning and sharing than on crowds and photo-ops.

Additionally I think there needs to be more awareness amongst longtime CC attendees about these issues; I'm sure most don't even notice and forget that not everyone gets those references, or knows how ____ works.

CapsuleCorp
05-12-2011, 09:32 PM
Slow, steady, and constant education about CostumeCon's existence will go a long way. I had heard OF CC back when it came to Chicago, almost ten years ago now, but I didn't know how valuable it would have been to me - it wasn't until I heard from people who went and saw pictures of the kinds of costumes shown there that I realized "hey! I want to do that!" By then it was finally back in my neck of the woods so to speak.

Honestly, some of the misconceptions about CC and the ICG are tied up with the general misconceptions about how cosplay got started, who cosplays, and so on. There's a kerfluffle in the general forum because some kid dared to tell the 20-something cosplayers that they should stop cosplaying and stop going to cons when they reached their 30s. I can't help but think the only reason younger folk think that cosplaying is THEIRS, the realm of teenagers who like anime and gawd who are these other people who think they can still cosplay when they're old, is because they don't know anything about the history. And even though I chime in now and then, making it my mantra to get them to learn their roots, it's not going to get through their heads without patient, constant education (and lack of shouting). The reason they have strange ideas about CC being elitist or not welcoming to anime cosplayers and so on and so forth is because they still can't conceive of the fact that there are other conventions - other genres - where people dress up in costumes and run around like nerds. They simply don't realize that there are other cons besides anime cons, and that wearing nerdy costumes predated both them and their parents.

Yep I'm starting to be all "back in MY day" and I've only been doing this twelve years. Compared to some I'm still just a whippersnapper myself.

I really think a lot more younger folk - our next generation of lifetime costumers - would come to CC if you emphasize the fact that you will learn hands-on stuff there. And then follow through by making sure the programming reflects that. We can get "cosplay 101" at every run of the mill anime con, so CC should absolutely program a cut above, doing specific panels on specialty topics. I remember CC25 fondly because I learned SO MUCH! Wings and mascot costumes and new methods and specific historical periods and oh my god.

The one thing you're never going to get around is the price. A lot of people still won't go to CC or WorldCon because of the price, and that's when you have to just shrug and hope that someday when they have disposable income they'll change their minds. You can't really get around that. But you can get around all the other stuff with just some education.

Buddycat
05-12-2011, 09:52 PM
There's so much to comment on, but I've been cautioned by von Drago not to get too verbose (yeah, right!)

This discussion comes up just as I was saying maybe CC needs a "primer" to explain what to expect - possibly put it on the website, but also have it at the event. I can see where a lot of misconceptions could come from the lack of info going to the con for the first time.

Around 4 years ago, the general costuming community started really paying attention to the huge number of costumers at anime cons, and CC committees started making efforts to reach out to them. Problem has been, now that we're starting to see results of the efforts, people have forgotten not everyone has been attending for years and years. Hence, the in-jokes, and assumptions that everyone knows the general schedule of events.

Having been on the "CC Virgins" panel, I can see we need to tailor the info a bit more. The best question we got was "What's the Friday Night Social about?" That made me realize we weren't doing the best at explaining what to expect BEFORE the convention. Stardust462 asked " "we think there needs to be some element to the con that makes new members feel like they're not outsiders, because sometimes I did feel that way (my shyness doesn't help with that either). I don't know if the CC Virgins panel on Friday covered anything like. Actually, we did. We also mentioned the fact that many of the other costumers who have been going for years are also very shy. If you have any suggestions on how to overcome that on both sides, please let us know.

I'm not sure how people thought CC was a "cosplay-centric" conference - but it is a costume-centric event. And I would hope that no one felt slighted, but it did occur to us there might have been one particular group who may not have been the friendliest. Fortunately, they are the minority, and are not representative of the whole. We are, on the whole, "aggresively friendly". :bigtu:

Photographing in the halls. Unlike at anime cons, where most everyone knows the characters being portrayed, and the point is to "be" the character, CC is more about appreciating the costume itself. So yes, people will take pictures of you, but it's not a "photo mob experience". And you are treated as an equal. If you think you're being snubbed, it's actually more like people are just shy - they only open up on stage - or if you ask them about their costume.

I guess I better stop. I have more to say, but I'll stop for now. I will say that I, von Drago, Gravely, and a few others are on a Yahoo list for the standing con committees. And I am currently writing the annual joint review by the St. Louis Costumers Guild that is a primary source of feedback to the committees, and we all will be taking your feedback and trying to incorporate your comments to make the future CCs a more enjoyable experience for both newbies and the veterans.

koi-ishly
05-12-2011, 10:11 PM
I did not learn of costume con until last year. I'm not a teenager, so when I researched I understood what it was for and what I could get out of it. I have not gone yet, there are a few things that have stopped me from going.

I ran across the site myself. I've no clue how I got there, maybe from a blog or researching historical stuff. The cons that I have gone to, I've know through advertising at other cons. They're listed clearly on cos.com, but I really didn't put much thought into it once I saw booths for other conventions that were relative to the area. The only other time I've heard about CC was this Katsucon when someone mentioned in passing that I should look into it.

CastleCorp has brought up a lot of great points.
I really think a lot more younger folk - our next generation of lifetime costumers - would come to CC if you emphasize the fact that you will learn hands-on stuff there. And then follow through by making sure the programming reflects that.

I agree with this entirely. And to add to that if this con wants to get more people to go, they need to update the website. Costume-Con.com (http://www.costume-con.com/info.html) looks very old. It's easy to tell it's updated, but it's a difficult viewing layout. For me it's a put off for trying to advertise. While this is nit-picking, I do think you have to put your best foot forward and websites are one of the first things con-goers see. Then you go here (http://cc29nj.com/) and it's a world of difference.

The one thing you're never going to get around is the price. A lot of people still won't go to CC or WorldCon because of the price...

Yep, enough said. For me, I can completely understand and justify the price. When I'm on a budget and I only go to 1 or 3 cons a year (depends on money), that really does take a bit a cash away. So, you really have to be thinking what you're going to get out of it.

So, what could be improved? Well, I can only speak from what I've seen as far as the internet and why I haven't taken more of an interest. For me, while I love to learn, the heart of it is the fact that I really enjoy the anime con atmosphere and for me those are what I look forward to each year.

Waiting for the con to come to my area: Timing was a big one for me. There was no way I could take off with work. Nothing the con can do there, unless the con wants to cater to my every whim and need ;p

Ok, no more typing for me. I need to go to bed.
Edit**wasn't done typing/editing ^^;;

trixyloupwolf
05-12-2011, 11:51 PM
all i can add is i looove costume con nyahahha!!
and i like anime con wahouu so i go to both cause both are fun in theyr own way nya!!

o iam shy too and i get to talk to a lot of people nya!! theyr all super friendly ^^ and i looove that they have many contest nya!!


also iam old too =-=''''' but lucky me i look very young nya!!
so i feel ok in both world nyeah!! its nyarific ^^


also for shy ness on both side well no one can;t do a lot but if each give a lil in then it be easier nya!! for sure for sure ^^

and aniway cosplaying is costuming
and costuming is sometime cosplaying wen it not an original costume nya!!

so all the same ^^ yeah i like you both cause were all the same nya^^
people that love to dress up ^^

stardust462
05-13-2011, 10:41 AM
I can't help but think the only reason younger folk think that cosplaying is THEIRS, the realm of teenagers who like anime and gawd who are these other people who think they can still cosplay when they're old, is because they don't know anything about the history.
I agree, and I don't think Costume Con is right for everyone who cosplays. There are people who cosplay to have fun, wear the costume of their favorite character they bought or threw together, and run around and scream (literally... ;_; ) at anime conventions with their friends. They probably won't enjoy costume con.

Then there are the cosplayers who learn to love sewing and actually creating their costumes. They learn new techniques, begin to research historical costuming, and create their own original designs. Maybe they even go to college for costume or fashion design. Those are the type of people who will enjoy Costume Con, and they are in the minority at anime cons. Usually they are older than the average age of anime con attendees.

The one thing you're never going to get around is the price. A lot of people still won't go to CC or WorldCon because of the price, and that's when you have to just shrug and hope that someday when they have disposable income they'll change their minds. You can't really get around that. But you can get around all the other stuff with just some education.
I agree a lot with this. It's definitely why I haven't attended World Con yet. It is becoming easier to attend as I get older and have more disposable income. I never would have been able to attend a convention in Arizona just a couple years ago, but I can next year.

This discussion comes up just as I was saying maybe CC needs a "primer" to explain what to expect - possibly put it on the website, but also have it at the event. I can see where a lot of misconceptions could come from the lack of info going to the con for the first time.
I think this would be a terrific thing to have as a website, either on each individual Costume Con's website or on Costume-Con.com (which I agree looks dated).

Having been on the "CC Virgins" panel, I can see we need to tailor the info a bit more. The best question we got was "What's the Friday Night Social about?" That made me realize we weren't doing the best at explaining what to expect BEFORE the convention. Stardust462 asked " "we think there needs to be some element to the con that makes new members feel like they're not outsiders, because sometimes I did feel that way (my shyness doesn't help with that either). I don't know if the CC Virgins panel on Friday covered anything like. Actually, we did. We also mentioned the fact that many of the other costumers who have been going for years are also very shy. If you have any suggestions on how to overcome that on both sides, please let us know.
Oh good. I was thinking of going to that panel, but it was my second CC and there was something else I wanted to attend instead, but I was curious as to what was discussed. I think having more information tailored towards new members is key. Maybe have something in the con suite a couple times during the weekend, like a "New Member/Veteran Member Meet-and-Greet." An explanation of the con suite may be needed too, because no anime cons that I know have them.

And I would hope that no one felt slighted, but it did occur to us there might have been one particular group who may not have been the friendliest. Fortunately, they are the minority, and are not representative of the whole. We are, on the whole, "aggresively friendly". :bigtu:
Anime Cons have some not friendly people too (**cough**cgl**cough**). But overall they are friendly people too.

Photographing in the halls. Unlike at anime cons, where most everyone knows the characters being portrayed, and the point is to "be" the character, CC is more about appreciating the costume itself. So yes, people will take pictures of you, but it's not a "photo mob experience". And you are treated as an equal. If you think you're being snubbed, it's actually more like people are just shy - they only open up on stage - or if you ask them about their costume.
I like it much more when someone asks me about my costume and how I made it and compliments me on it than if they ask me for my picture.

supergeekgirl
05-13-2011, 12:16 PM
I'm not sure how people thought CC was a "cosplay-centric" conference - but it is a costume-centric event. And I would hope that no one felt slighted, but it did occur to us there might have been one particular group who may not have been the friendliest. Fortunately, they are the minority, and are not representative of the whole. We are, on the whole, "aggresively friendly". :bigtu:


I can see this from some of the fliers I've gotten about CC. Luckily, when I went to my first, I came from the world of sci-fi conventions and was asked to come specifically to do programming (and I only paid $20 as I was a student). Quite often, when I hear or see CC advertised, cosplay is mentioned. I can see why, too. There is some fantastic costuming talent in cosplay. BUT when they get there, the cosplay contingent is always pretty small, AND anything that LOOKS like cosplay is usually considered cosplay. I got some grief at CC28 from the F&SF workmanship judge over entering a cosplay costume. It wasn't anything like, "You shouldn't enter that sort of thing," but it was more of an "Oh, another cosplay. Let's see how accurate it is to the source material," and rather than listening to my descriptions of a hand-tied lace front on my wig and all of the tiny straps I made to hold my lacing together. That meant nothing because it was a "cosplay". Trixy mentioned a similar experience below, though I'm not sure what year she means.

So yeah, I see how they can hear "cosplayers welcome" and think they won't be alone... but quickly find that the most "respected" costumers (in their eyes and... in mine; sadly, I've tried very hard not to be called a cosplayer at CC because I felt I was being pigeon-holed when I was) don't do re-creations.


Photographing in the halls. Unlike at anime cons, where most everyone knows the characters being portrayed, and the point is to "be" the character, CC is more about appreciating the costume itself. So yes, people will take pictures of you, but it's not a "photo mob experience". And you are treated as an equal. If you think you're being snubbed, it's actually more like people are just shy - they only open up on stage - or if you ask them about their costume.

And we don't carry cameras, for the most part. Heck, I didn't even wear my badge. I never wear my badge at cons. It's always a pain when I realize I forgot it at my hotel two blocks away and have to go back to get it for an event. Yeah... off topic, but the point is that we trust the official photographers to get pictures of what we want to see online. I still occasionally set up photoshoots at CC with other costumers. Remember our "two Kaylees" moments at the Social? :)

And just to add one last thing - I love Costume-Con. For me, it's pretty relaxing and a chance to talk to people about one of my main forms of self-expression. Now, I'm ALSO one of those who likes to go around acting like my character at anime cons (and, well, at the social ^.~), but I thoroughly enjoy the process of MAKING costumes too, which is why Costume-Con interests me.
I go to about 12 cons a year, so variety is what I want. I go to Naka-Kon to meet people, Kawa Kon because I run it, Costume-Con to hang out with people who share the incredible hobby of making costumes (and researching them, which has become an obsession thanks to the historical masquerade), ACEN to pretend I'm a character from Metal Gear (cue people telling me that I need to grow up ^.~), Marcon for their awesome panel programming and to sing karaoke until 2 a.m. with a bunch of fellow nerds, OMGcon to run panels and advertise Kawa Kon, Archon to party and enter the masquerade, Bishie Con for the debauchery (and because it's the best f***ing con in the whole world!), and various specialized conventions for horror makeup, Harry Potter, etc. because it's great to meet people who share your niche interests.

Gravely
05-13-2011, 01:25 PM
I'd like to see the 'my first costumecon' ribbons, buttons, or whatever they were,
re-enstated. A lot of good was done the few years they used them

Nora is correct, the CON in costume con, was originally, ans still technically IS for conference, not convention. This is a teaching weekend, with amazing competitions

fannish masquerades, in my opinion, need to have a discussion about who's responsable for ''looking like the source material" the stage judges, or workmanship. personally, I want workmanship to be about technique, as it levels the playing field between re creation and original costumes.
I have judged workmanship twice at CC and was not given much source matirial to look at, and I was fine with that . I wanna look to see if its made well, just like any costume

at CC, an anime costume on stage, is a recreation, no diiff than starwars, or LOTR or anything else. and recreations have always done very well at CC. a good costume is a good costume

supergeekgirl
05-13-2011, 02:19 PM
I think, personally, re-creations seem to be better served in the historical because of the close attention paid to source material and research. Many of us do as much research for our media re-creations as historical re-creations. Is it strange that I prefer the historical masquerade overall? Some part of me is itching for a few of my favorite things to enter the realm of "historical" because of when they were made so that we can present our research. We've already got a plan for 2015. :)

Sarcasm-hime
05-13-2011, 02:47 PM
So, any suggestions on what exactly should be included in this proposed 'primer' (besides what has been discussed above)? I'm working on the CC32 website and was thinking of something very similar, a "It's my first CC, what should I expect?".

von Drago
05-13-2011, 03:17 PM
So yeah, I see how they can hear "cosplayers welcome" and think they won't be alone... but quickly find that the most "respected" costumers (in their eyes and... in mine; sadly, I've tried very hard not to be called a cosplayer at CC because I felt I was being pigeon-holed when I was) don't do re-creations.

And we don't carry cameras, for the most part. Heck, I didn't even wear my badge. I never wear my badge at cons. It's always a pain when I realize I forgot it at my hotel two blocks away and have to go back to get it for an event. Yeah... off topic, but the point is that we trust the official photographers to get pictures of what we want to see online. I still occasionally set up photoshoots at CC with other costumers. Remember our "two Kaylees" moments at the Social? :)


"Respected" costumers don't do re-creations? Most of the ones I know do.
And I envy them for that. As an almost strictly orginal costumer I'd love to do something that most folks would recognize & not have to be explained. that's one thing I love about CCs - folks accept orginal without explanation or needing it to be recognizable.

And you should always wear your badge! People may not recognize you in a particular outfit (or at all). Having your badge, maybe with both your real name & online handle, makes it easy for people to identify you especially if you only know each other online.

Oh wait! There's a difference some cosplayers need to know about - please let us know your real name!
It's okay (even handy) to use your online alias but please tell us your actual name, we want to know you & treat you like everyone else we know. Or for Archive purposes if nothing else :razz:

von Drago
05-13-2011, 03:26 PM
So, any suggestions on what exactly should be included in this proposed 'primer' (besides what has been discussed above)? I'm working on the CC32 website and was thinking of something very similar, a "It's my first CC, what should I expect?".

Good plan - hopefully we can come up with some good "talking points" for you!

supergeekgirl
05-13-2011, 04:10 PM
And you should always wear your badge! People may not recognize you in a particular outfit (or at all). Having your badge, maybe with both your real name & online handle, makes it easy for people to identify you especially if you only know each other online.


My short-term memory is absolutely nil. Hence the having to walk several blocks to go get my badge that has happened to me regularly. I really do mean to wear it, but after that first costume change, it gets lost somewhere on my bed and doesn't resurface until I'm desperate to find it again for an event.

If we're doing something of a "primer", we can't make it TL;DR. Perhaps the websites for each year should have an FAQ section including: "How is Costume-Con different from other conventions?", "Which masquerade do I enter and how?", "What is the Friday Night Social?", "What is the Single Pattern Contest?", "What sort of costume should I wear?", "Will people wear hall costumes?", "How do I set up a shoot with a photographer?", etc.

And yes, I love the first year ribbon idea. I would totally go up and talk to people JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE WEARING FIRST-YEAR RIBBONS. As it were, I talked to people just because they looked uncomfortable, but then again, I didn't spend much time in the halls because Misha was so worried about getting the timing right in our skit this year that he dragged me upstairs to practice every opportunity he got. I SWEAR that's what we were doing!!!


BTW, IS hall costuming even appropriate anymore? Cathy S. and I had a conversation about this last night over dinner. A lot of people this year weren't in hall costumes, less than I've seen at my previous two CCs. Was it just because it was hot, or are we kind of silly and out-of-place wearing hall costumes? I ask because I DO really like wearing costumes in the hall and seeing others in costume. Some of my stuff really doesn't have a venue except CC, and it's not stage-worthy. What's kind of the expectation on that now?

Sarcasm-hime
05-13-2011, 04:45 PM
Personally I feel weird if I'm *not* in costume at a con, be it CC or anywhere else. I hardly ever bring any street clothes as my luggage is always full of costumes.

von Drago
05-13-2011, 07:15 PM
edited:

If we're doing something of a "primer", we can't make it TL;DR. Perhaps the websites for each year should have an FAQ section including: "How is Costume-Con different from other conventions?", "Which masquerade do I enter and how?", "What is the Friday Night Social?", "What is the Single Pattern Contest?", "What sort of costume should I wear?", "Will people wear hall costumes?", "How do I set up a shoot with a photographer?", etc.

And yes, I love the first year ribbon idea. I would totally go up and talk to people JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE WEARING FIRST-YEAR RIBBONS.

BTW, IS hall costuming even appropriate anymore? Cathy S. and I had a conversation about this last night over dinner. A lot of people this year weren't in hall costumes, less than I've seen at my previous two CCs. Was it just because it was hot, or are we kind of silly and out-of-place wearing hall costumes? I ask because I DO really like wearing costumes in the hall and seeing others in costume. Some of my stuff really doesn't have a venue except CC, and it's not stage-worthy. What's kind of the expectation on that now?

As for making things accessible to everyone - "TL;DR"? I had to google it, don't assume everyone knows what you mean :razz:
Most of your suggested topics are good. (I might skip the photoshoot one, cosplayers already know how to do that & it isn't common for CCs - but maybe that could be added to programming? Hmm, I'll skip to the other thread with that thought in a minute.) So let's come up with some good, clear, non-patronizing answers (and more questions & pointers) that can be passed on & added to year to year. And I agree with everyone saying the CC sites are dated - maybe we can get those updated to include what we come up with?

Newbie ribbons? We started that at CC16. We weren't sure if folks would be insulted by them so made it optional but most new folks really liked being "tagged". They said folks were very accomodating & explained things to them without being asked - including in-jokes!

Hall costumes are definitely still good, I saw lots. Part of the problem was the hotel layout (which has been mentioned). But there are many "veterans" who just want to be comfortable during the day & glam up at night. You can't ding them for that & we all love seeing the great stuff in the hall. I think I'm about 50/50 on that; I like to wear the hall costumes but definitely switch to something more comfy for later when we're all just chatting.

CapsuleCorp
05-13-2011, 09:23 PM
Considering we usually end up with a buttload of random ribbons stuck to our badges every year, most of which are humorous, I love the idea if a newbie ribbon. I don't know that it will change my desire to speak to a specific person, but I can guarantee that if I'm chatting with someone and see it on their badge, I'll get excited and ask them how they like it/if they have any questions.

ANYWAY. The FAQ is probably the way to go since most people get their information about cons (and set up everything for it) off the con website in this day and age. A standard FAQ for the general CostumeCon website (oh right THAT one...okay yeah that's about 20 years out of date visually) and/or one that can be passed around to each year's concomm for their individual sites which can be custom tailored to their location and theme is a pretty easy start to education. I know there's a few oldbies on the board who still need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, but Bruce, you are awesome for being on the cutting edge of technology as much as you can. I mean, look at this site, and how it's grown since I joined in 2003. If the people running CCs aren't staying ahead of technology, they're going to find that they can't attract anyone to come besides the veterans who go almost every year regardless. I'm not surprised that stats show that the main demographic is people local-ish to that year's con, followed by the veterans. I won't be able to attend next year because Phoenix. PHOENIX. But I'm absolutely going to Colorado (I was promised a chance to drive across Kansas during tornado season) and Toronto (YAAAY). Distance will always play a factor in whether or not to go, but at least now, having been to CC, I know that it is a con I WANT to go to. Whether or not I can is a different issue. So really, when it comes to people in general and cosplayers in general, the key is to help them see that CC is a con they want to go to. Some of them make pilgrimages across the country for Otakon or Fanime - so they just have to WANT to go to the con.

That said, I'm generically here to offer answers to specific questions, or brainstorm more questions for the FAQ. And/or brainstorm anything else.

Oh...one last thing I guess. The traveling nature of CC does lend itself to one small problem that I doubt there is any solution for - but it's something for those of us who love the con to keep in mind. That is, you can't guarantee certain things year to year. You can't guarantee the atmosphere in the halls, what percentage of people will wear hall costumes, the quality of the judging in the contests (sadly), the number of people competing, the entertainment value of the Social, and so on. Sometimes it depends on whether the concomm made the right decisions or had some good ideas, sometimes it depends on the attendees, sometimes it even depends on the geographical region and what the locals are used to. There are a lot of things we can clear up for people who aren't sure, but in the back of our minds we have to remember that some things are just going to vary from year to year when you don't have the same committee of schlubs programming the same panels at the same con in the same location. IDK. That just came to me.

Buddycat
05-13-2011, 11:48 PM
Again, more good input. I agree that the CC organization site is way out of date. Unfortunately, Karen doesn't have the time or want to put much effort into keeping that updated, so it's been falling to the individual con committees to disseminate info. CapsuleCorp had it right that there are a lot of variables regarding whether the con committee will hit all the right tones when running the con. I have great hopes for Toronto, because many of their committee have been in the anime community for years, so they'll have a better grasp of what will appeal to younger attendees, but they still understand that CC is a different culture unto itself. The Canadians have certainly made a positive impression on the general CC community since they started coming! They scored major points with their Sunday night Con Suite Party.

An FAQ: I think I actually wrote an FAQ for CC16, and re-published it for CC25 - I'll have to look for it. Maybe I'll post it in this forum and we can use it as a basis to start from. Once it's tweaked, I can present it to the RUNACC Yahoo groupers to consider adding.

I have the germ of another idea that I'm going to start working on - something like, "A Tour of Costume-Con" that not only serves as an FAQ but actually shows with photos and video what goes on. Put it up on YouTube or someplace like that.

Newbs ribbons: Supergeekgirl was doing what the vets were urged to do - go up and talk to the "virgins". "Virgins" gotta make some effort, too though - don't be a wallflower. :D

Recreations: as von Drago said, almost every "respected" costumer does recreations at one time or another, but most of them wind up branching out into original stuff more often, after a while. It's part of the creative growth process. You'll understand that as you get a better sense of the con history.

Hall Costumes: as von Drago touched on, more vets are going for comfort in the halls. If they do wear something, it may be a former competition piece, if it's easily put on. There may be a practicality issue if they're doing some demonstration, and they may not want to endanger it with accident. You're more likely to see them put on something fancier for sitting in the masquerade audience. Also, you might not recognize that some outfits are actually "wearable art" piece, or something from a past Future Fashion Show/Single Pattern contest. I've made two or three comfortable non-street fashion outfits to wear at CC and other cons recently.

Here's an idea on how to turn the tables on the the vets at CC: since cosplayers enjoy group photo meet-ups, drag a vet into your picture! They'll not only be flattered, but the shy ones will be pretty likely to open up and talk to you! :bigtu:

Buddycat
05-14-2011, 12:14 AM
Yep, enough said. For me, I can completely understand and justify the price. When I'm on a budget and I only go to 1 or 3 cons a year (depends on money), that really does take a bit a cash away. So, you really have to be thinking what you're going to get out of it.

Edit**wasn't done typing/editing ^^;;

That's something that I will be bringing up for discussion on the committees list, also. Costs are a problem for CC because it's very space intensive, but relatively small in attendance. However, since committees are now going to (almost) exclusively electronic pubs, this SHOULD free up some cash that was otherwise a huge chunk of their upfront budgets. And MAYBE that might help make memberships a little less prohibitive.

Costume-Con is pricey, no doubt. Von Drago and I have said we'd love to go to Worldcon (and other out of state cons), yet we can really only afford one out of town con a year. But, we decided a long time ago that this one venue was worth the expense. The people we've met, the stuff we've learned, the friends we've made and sense of community we've gained are worth the money. We've talked to a number of people, cosplayers and general first-timers, and they've pretty much all decided CC is important enough to them that they choose either that CC is essential to include in their budgets or they wind up dropping other events because they get so much more out of this one. Those folks are becoming our new "vets". :sunny:

Aurora Maryte
05-14-2011, 11:53 AM
Considering we usually end up with a buttload of random ribbons stuck to our badges every year, most of which are humorous, I love the idea if a newbie ribbon. I don't know that it will change my desire to speak to a specific person, but I can guarantee that if I'm chatting with someone and see it on their badge, I'll get excited and ask them how they like it/if they have any questions.

ANYWAY. The FAQ is probably the way to go since most people get their information about cons (and set up everything for it) off the con website in this day and age. A standard FAQ for the general CostumeCon website (oh right THAT one...okay yeah that's about 20 years out of date visually) and/or one that can be passed around to each year's concomm for their individual sites which can be custom tailored to their location and theme is a pretty easy start to education. I know there's a few oldbies on the board who still need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, but Bruce, you are awesome for being on the cutting edge of technology as much as you can. I mean, look at this site, and how it's grown since I joined in 2003. If the people running CCs aren't staying ahead of technology, they're going to find that they can't attract anyone to come besides the veterans who go almost every year regardless. I'm not surprised that stats show that the main demographic is people local-ish to that year's con, followed by the veterans. I won't be able to attend next year because Phoenix. PHOENIX. But I'm absolutely going to Colorado (I was promised a chance to drive across Kansas during tornado season) and Toronto (YAAAY). Distance will always play a factor in whether or not to go, but at least now, having been to CC, I know that it is a con I WANT to go to. Whether or not I can is a different issue. So really, when it comes to people in general and cosplayers in general, the key is to help them see that CC is a con they want to go to. Some of them make pilgrimages across the country for Otakon or Fanime - so they just have to WANT to go to the con.

That said, I'm generically here to offer answers to specific questions, or brainstorm more questions for the FAQ. And/or brainstorm anything else.

Oh...one last thing I guess. The traveling nature of CC does lend itself to one small problem that I doubt there is any solution for - but it's something for those of us who love the con to keep in mind. That is, you can't guarantee certain things year to year. You can't guarantee the atmosphere in the halls, what percentage of people will wear hall costumes, the quality of the judging in the contests (sadly), the number of people competing, the entertainment value of the Social, and so on. Sometimes it depends on whether the concomm made the right decisions or had some good ideas, sometimes it depends on the attendees, sometimes it even depends on the geographical region and what the locals are used to. There are a lot of things we can clear up for people who aren't sure, but in the back of our minds we have to remember that some things are just going to vary from year to year when you don't have the same committee of schlubs programming the same panels at the same con in the same location. IDK. That just came to me.


I've really got to agree with this. I searched the website for any info(like I'd do for Otakon or Fanime) but came up empty-handed and confused.
I wanted to see what it was all about since it was in the next town from where my grandma and aunt live, and only about 5 towns away from me, but my family wanted details on the hours, etc. I even had trouble figuring out what the price would be for one day.
So I came on here, and asked some questions, but I kind of derailed what the topic was meant for, so I felt bad and probably didn't ask as many questions as I should.

I wish the website had a FAQ section briefly explaining the conference's(and see that too- I thought it was just a regular ol' convention), a little about the panels and masquerades, how many people on average attend, the atmosphere...and like everything else everyone mentioned should be in a FAQ thing.

I expected a HUGE convention for some reason going in there. We get to the hotel and the outside looks like a ghost town..we weren't sure it was even going on and were thinking of going back to my grandma's. I brought my 16 year old sister, and told her to cosplay, which I would not have done if I knew more about the size and atmosphere of the con. She was bored and angry. And just FYI, she's like the antithesis of those whiny loud crazy cosplaying teenage fangirls. She always says to me at Otakon and AnimeNEXT that she wants to kill them.
But she expected huge, she expected photographers to flock to her as per usual, and expected more panels and events geared towards fun and a slightly younger demographic. I guess I did too. Even though I'm 25(was 24 then), I felt out of place in my FF costume, and didn't get the in jokes which kind of made me uncomfortable, and the panels we went to...it was like, I thought it was supposed to teach the basics of..beading for example. But a lot of the panel consisted of the 4 panelists talking excitedly amongest themselves. I get that they love beading but hell, I want to learn how to do it. Then some of them said they hadn't really prepared a layout for the panel and didn't know what to teach/do. They finally showed us a few techniques...but mostly just passed around examples to look at. Luckily my sister is good at things like that and was able to figure out how they beaded most of their examples but... I guess what I'm trying to get at here is that, to us, the con felt like a clique. You had to be in the know, and in the clique, to know WTF was going on or garner knowledge, or I guess really enjoy yourself.

Not sure how that can be fixed, but at least an updated site with info, hours, some photos of the whole con experience maybe, would really help people not to go in with misconceptions which would make their time much more enjoyable.

trixyloupwolf
05-14-2011, 02:28 PM
nya!! i did not see you =_= waa(did i???)
i like new friend nyaaaa!!


but ya since i go i always told them its a secret con hehe
but hey after 3 year it might change cause i told nya!!
if no one tell then theyll never know right nya!!

so yeah it be better and better ^^
and woot woot more friend will come ^^ right right^^
i wanna host contest wen i go next time ^^
it be fun right ^^(if they want of course nyahaha)

Kaijugal
05-14-2011, 09:08 PM
I've only read the thread in the "Programming" thread so far, but since it's migrated here, I'd like to respond before I read the rest of this thread and get side tracked...

First of all I'm not sure which MC is being mentioned below but if it was Gord Rose I find the complaint EXTREMELY ODD.

Gord is probably one of THE BEST MC's to bridge the gap between the old school sci-fi/lit fandom bunch and the newer people from the anime community. He is a regular MC for both Anime North and FANEXPO, which are both long running conventions with large masquerades with mainly anime content. He's both very popular and highly requested.

I'm not sure what the deal with in-jokes is as nothing particularly stood out to me, both during the masquerade nor during my two subsequent viewings. I would like to view the source of the actual complaints out of curiosity.

That said said the universal rules of choosing an MC is that there is no pleasing everyone.


2. There are a lot of CC in-jokes. This actually bothers me a bit too. If we're going to have "entertainment" (aka a funny emcee...

(----snip for other relevant quote content-------)


But everything said, I would have preferred less in-jokes. That was what I heard the most complaints about all weekend, and I agree that it was alienating. The emcee did it constantly, and a few are fine, but it was A LOT of the masquerade emceeing.

Ironhill
05-14-2011, 11:25 PM
The lack of infomation on the website and almost no updates was a problem. In order to get new people to come you have to get the infomation out. Monthly updates on the offical website would be nice. Also, posting to the local convention yahoo groups with updates would not be bad as long as the info is acurate.

I wasn't at the beading panel but I did notice that some of the other panels seemed a little underprepaired. Hopefully, with the addition of some technology like powerpoint, this will improve. Panelists, please remember the 6-Ps. Prior planning prevents piss poor preformance.

Oh, and for the record, I am greatful to all the panel members. I would not be comfortable making a presentation.

Buddycat
05-15-2011, 12:05 AM
Okay, folks' comments here re-inforce the need for better communication - something we've been hammering committees about in the past. I will be sure to take your comments over there about this again. There was a noticeable lack of communication in some areas at CC29.

Ironhill: Which website are you referring to - CC29, Costume-Con.ORG or Costume-Con.COM? As for monthly updates, mmmmm. Not that much happens from month to month. But I agree, there should be more frequent updates. I believe in CC29's case, they published one Progess Report early on, and used that as the backbone for the basics. For new people, though, this isn't sufficient, and that's why we need a general FAQ that carries from one CC website to another, as well as the parent website.

I will bring up the subject of being more aware of in-jokes, since we have more new people, and at least make sure they are explained in brief. If people are encouraged to share the history behind an in-joke, then everyone can be part of experience.

Con size: There's not a big deal made about convention stats, but if you go here http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php and click on one of the icons on the left, it takes you to the individual CC event where it gives you varying amount of information about dates, events and attendance.

I will also bring up the beading panel in specifics. Sounds like this panel and some others would have benefitted from a moderator to keep things on track.

Kaijugal
05-15-2011, 02:19 AM
I agree with this entirely. And to add to that if this con wants to get more people to go, they need to update the website.

Costume-Con.com (http://www.costume-con.com/info.html) looks very old. It's easy to tell it's updated, but it's a difficult viewing layout.

For me it's a put off for trying to advertise. While this is nit-picking, I do think you have to put your best foot forward and websites are one of the first

things con-goers see. Then you go here (http://cc29nj.com/) and it's a world of difference.



I have to agree in a big way with koi-ishly about the Costume-Con.com website.


BTW, IS hall costuming even appropriate anymore? Cathy S. and I had a conversation about this last night over dinner. A lot of people this year

weren't in hall costumes, less than I've seen at my previous two CCs. . What's kind of the expectation on that now?

I'm baffled at the thought that hall costuming isn't appropriate/welcome/etc. OF COURSE IT IS. I have to admit as a con organizer I rarely have the opportunity to make new costumes anymore, also at my weight it's akward, bulky and HOT, to wear anything flattering and non-revealing.

That said I always make the effort to wear a fun hat, or shirt, or whatever.

Although I did hall costume twice, I can only wear things for a limited time due to my foot/leg injury and the restriction to one specific pair of shoes. I'd personally like to have hall costumes all the time, it's just not possible. :dunce:I still enjoy and encourage others wearing them. I imagine with a good portion of the Costume Con crowd aging, they have similar challenges. :)

BUT THE THOUGHT THAT IT'S NOT APPROPIRATE IS ......BAFFLING, and flat out UNTRUE. So let me resolve this here, COSTUMING IS ALWAYS APPROPRIATE :reverse: where it does not restrict health and/or preformance. ^_^;

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The one thing you're never going to get around is the price. A lot of people still won't go to CC or WorldCon because of the price, and that's when

you have to just shrug and hope that someday when they have disposable income they'll change their minds. You can't really get around that. But you can get around all the other stuff with just some education.



With good planning buying a Costume-Con membership doesn't have to be much/any more expensive than attending one of top 10 Anime Cons or big sci-fi cons.
If you buy your CC32 membership right now, ($65), you're paying less or about the same as for any of the top 10 Anime Cons. (I've added Fanexpo as #0 for comparison as it's our big localDragconCon/Comicon type behemoth and it's relevant to any Canadians reading this...)

0.FANEXPO Canda 60,000+ ($75) USD
1.Anime Expo: 44,000 total ($75) USD
2.Otakon: 26,300 ($75) USD
3.New York Anime Festival 21,300 ($90) USD
4 Anime North: 16,800 ($55) CAD
5.Sakura-Con: 16,500 ($60)USD
6.A-Kon: 16,000 ($62) USD
7. Anime Central 15,400 estimated paid ($55) USD
8. FanimeCon: estimated 15,000 paid ($60) USD
9. Anime Weekend Atlanta: 11,700 ($45) USD
10 Anime Boston: 9,354 total ($55) USD

Also Costume-Con is a 4 day event, and sometimes 5 if you take the Thursday tours.


So yeah, I see how they can hear "cosplayers welcome" and think they won't be alone... but quickly find that the most "respected" costumers (in

their eyes and... in mine; sadly, I've tried very hard not to be called a cosplayer at CC because I felt I was being pigeon-holed when I was) don't

do re-creations.


They're NOT alone at Costume Con. There are many of us who are involved in Anime Cons and Anime Costuming, and we're all very open and welcoming. I know there are some bad apples who are a drag or at worst just plain rude, but they are only SOME of the people at Costume Con. It's the same at any con. There are people who are horrible everywhere. Nobody can fix that because you can't fix stupid. ;)

I try to include new people or loaners whenever possible, (we had new quebec and ontario people down again this year), but I think I'm a little loud and off putting and spook the newbies who don't know me. HaHa. :D

I agree with whomever said the "noobie" ribbons should come back. I was already planning to have "My First Costume-Con" ribbons at CC32 in Toronto, budget permitting. :) We got them at our first Costume Con and it made everything that much more awesome.



And you should always wear your badge! People may not recognize you in a particular outfit (or at all). Having your badge, maybe with both

your real name & online handle, makes it easy for people to identify you especially if you only know each other online.


AGREE with Von Drago. I don't always recognize my friends in costume, nevermind aquaintances or someone I may know online from a photo....

Don't even get me started... *^_^*;;


As for the repeated comments that Costume Con is Cliquish, I think all cos have groups of people who know each other, (and come to that con every year for that reason). I think it's unfortunate that that's making people feel left out however.

When Sarcasm-Hime, Ikegami, and I started going to Costume Con, we were only 3. Now we have lots of friends there, (both from home and that we made there), we were lucky to meet immediately friendly people, (Von Drago, Buddycat, Gravely, etc), but we needed to impose ourselves on people too. (HA-HA)

Costume Con may seem cliquish at first, but it's just we know who we know and fall into old habits.

I know Sarcasm & I are constantly picking up new people for lunches, dinners, hang-outs, whatever. When we say hi to people or compliment them on their costumes, it's up to them to decide wether to get to know us or not, we are happy to extend the olive branch of friendship, it's up to others to take it.

New people have to meet us half way.

von Drago
05-15-2011, 10:09 AM
I agree with whomever said the "noobie" ribbons should come back. I was already planning to have "My First Costume-Con" ribbons at CC32 in Toronto, budget permitting. :) We got them at our first Costume Con and it made everything that much more awesome.
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Make you a deal - if you want the ribbons we'll pay for them. Then you don't have to add them to your budget, consider them sponsored. Maybe we can even get the SLCG to sponsor them but at the very least Bruce & I will. We think this is important (obviously).

Buddycat
05-15-2011, 12:06 PM
They're NOT alone at Costume Con. There are many of us who are involved in Anime Cons and Anime Costuming, and we're all very open and welcoming. I know there are some bad apples who are a drag or at worst just plain rude, but they are only SOME of the people at Costume Con. It's the same at any con. There are people who are horrible everywhere. Nobody can fix that because you can't fix stupid. ;)


As for the repeated comments that Costume Con is Cliquish, I think all cos have groups of people who know each other, (and come to that con every year for that reason). I think it's unfortunate that that's making people feel left out however.

Costume Con may seem cliquish at first, but it's just we know who we know and fall into old habits.

When we say hi to people or compliment them on their costumes, it's up to them to decide wether to get to know us or not, we are happy to extend the olive branch of friendship, it's up to others to take it.

New people have to meet us half way.

Couldn't have put that last bit better myself! Thanks!

Kaijugal
05-15-2011, 02:44 PM
Make you a deal - if you want the ribbons we'll pay for them. Then you don't have to add them to your budget, consider them sponsored. Maybe we can even get the SLCG to sponsor them but at the very least Bruce & I will. We think this is important (obviously).

Wow! That would be COMPLETELY TERRIFIC!!! Thank you for the kind and generous offer! :)

:cheers: Woot! :cheers:

P.S. Thanks for the concise editing in the previous post Buddycat, I tend to be a bit.... freeform. XD LOL!

von Drago
05-15-2011, 04:34 PM
[COLOR="Green"]Wow! That would be COMPLETELY TERRIFIC!!! Thank you for the kind and generous offer! :)


We believe strongly in this - You (& CC32) are most welcome.

And we have extended the offer to CC30 & CC31. I think this might become our regular thing :D

CapsuleCorp
05-15-2011, 07:22 PM
I suppose the quality of panels is also one of those things you really can't control from con to con - but that goes for all cons, really. People can propose panels and volunteer to run them, but it all comes down to execution and there's no con that is exempt from execution fail.

There may be a slightly higher expectation out of CC, though, because it IS so small for one, so specialized for two, and so populated with veteran costumers who have a lot of expertise to share for three. If CC is going to be (rightfully) billed as a conference where you will learn a lot of specific things about the craft of building and wearing costumes, there's sort of an implied onus to actually follow through with quality programming. But that sort of thing is up to the current year's con chair, isn't it? Or the concomm, whoever is in charge of scheduling programming and making sure the panels have panelists. I suppose the rest of us can only really give good feeback about what we liked and didn't like and pass that on to the next year's concomm, or get off our duffs and volunteer to hold some panels. Something I know I personally need to start thinking about, now that MACS has four years of hosting the costume panels at Geek-kon - there's no reason our local costume experts can't share their knowledge at CC. We just have to get over the intimidation factor. ;)

stardust462
05-15-2011, 09:12 PM
So, any suggestions on what exactly should be included in this proposed 'primer' (besides what has been discussed above)? I'm working on the CC32 website and was thinking of something very similar, a "It's my first CC, what should I expect?".
I think a good description of what each of the four contests are is key, and also any other contests (doll, hat, quilt, etc.). On CC29's website it's just the rules listed. Rules are helpful, but sometimes come up short as to what a new person can expect in the contest. People who attend anime conventions likely have a good idea of what to expect for the F/SF Masquerade, except that workmanship judging is done in the green room where at anime cons they're often done earlier in the day at a specific time slot.

Because Historical, Future Fashion Folio, and Single Pattern are different, examples of what people enter these costumes with would be very helpful. When I went to CC27 I had do idea that someone could do "Historical Interpretation" for an entry. Also an example of documentation could be helpful also. Picture examples of FFF and SP entries would be a great way to show how those contests work. I think SP is a really great contest for new members to enter.

I would also explain what a Con Suite is, since most anime conventions don't have those. Maybe have a "New Member Social" in the con suite on one of the days so new members can ask questions and meet new people.

Kaijugal
05-16-2011, 12:02 AM
People who attend anime conventions likely have a good idea of what to expect for the F/SF Masquerade, except that workmanship judging is done in the green room where at anime cons they're often done earlier in the day at a specific time slot.

I would also explain what a Con Suite is, since most anime conventions don't have those. Maybe have a "New Member Social" in the con suite on one of the days so new members can ask questions and meet new people.

Actually all our anime conventions do workmanship judging the way it's done at Costume Con. ^_^ but still it does bare mentioning in the masquerade FAQ's. :).


I DO love your idea for the New Member Social in the Consuite as I was kicking around doing a Costume-Con ambassador program with a new members meet up of some kind after reading this list. I never thought of using the consuite. Hm.

Cheers!

supergeekgirl
05-16-2011, 11:01 AM
Deleted. I posted, but I realized that any more of trying to make a point via web post is like arguing whether the cat in the box will be dead or alive.

von Drago
05-16-2011, 05:56 PM
I DO love your idea for the New Member Social in the Consuite as I was kicking around doing a Costume-Con ambassador program with a new members meet up of some kind after reading this list. I never thought of using the consuite. Hm.

Cheers!

I love this idea too. Totally has to happen.

Dokudel
05-16-2011, 11:39 PM
Hello I like to saw that this was my first Costume-Con. I have been going to anime cons since 2001 and as I got older I started to branch off into sci-fi, comic, steam punk, and gaming cons. I am always the type to try out new events and any place to wear a costume at. I have read about CC for many years but finally attended my first one this year.

I will say that I was expecting a bigger turn our maybe 1,000 attendees? I did like the family friendly enviorment once I actually got to see what the con was like. I did come with a couple of friends who are hard core anime con goers and they felt out of place at the con. (They are also more of the anime con goer sterotype but they like to cosplay at any event they can get a chance at.) I definently had a good time once I knew what to look for attended about 5 panels, went to the friday night social and entered the masquerade(I was wearing the red vinyl business suit like outfit, but my character was from a anime series.)

I think the only thing that was different for me was that hardly anyone really dressed up in the hall ways. I was expecting to take pictures of a lot of crazy stuff in the hallways but finding out everyone brings out there A game to the masquerade. Overall it was a fun experience for being a CC newbie. If I attend future CC I wouldnt bring the group of friends I invited, I would either go by myself or bring along people that appreciate things besides anime and that genre. :)

Sarcasm-hime
05-17-2011, 12:59 AM
I would be willing to give a shot at revamping the Costume-Con.com site, unless someone more proficient would do it? My skills are fairly out-of-date but I can navigate a CSS template pretty well.

Buddycat
05-17-2011, 10:34 PM
I would be willing to give a shot at revamping the Costume-Con.com site, unless someone more proficient would do it? My skills are fairly out-of-date but I can navigate a CSS template pretty well.

Talk to Karen D. For a while, she supposedly had someone lined up, but nothing came of it.

Buddycat
05-17-2011, 10:43 PM
I will say that I was expecting a bigger turn our maybe 1,000 attendees? I did like the family friendly enviorment once I actually got to see what the con was like.

I suppose it's not something that a con wants to promote (Hey! We're a small con!), but we always hope for bigger numbers. The average size ranges from 200 - 300 most years, with an occasional spike because of the region the con is in that year. Some of the factors for why it's smallish is because of what others have said - it's not in their town, the perceived expense (even though Kaijugal says that even anime cons are starting to get more pricey), and the convention only has one focus. There are no media guests, no programming opposite the major events, no 24 hour video room, etc. But as you alluded to, most people like the level of intimacy with a con this size. After going a few years, everyone pretty much knows each other on some level, and many friendships are struck up.

What it does offer is the opportunity to meet fellow costuming fans from across the continent (we can say that 'cuz we gots Canadians!), learn techniques in a way the Net can't offer, see some of the best examples of costuming on the International level of competition, and become a part of a special community of folks with the same interests as you. Once someone "gets" it, they're hooked. Sounds like you are. :wave: Welcome. Introduce yourself, next time you're at a CC.

von Drago
05-18-2011, 07:41 AM
I would be willing to give a shot at revamping the Costume-Con.com site, unless someone more proficient would do it? My skills are fairly out-of-date but I can navigate a CSS template pretty well.

Karen readily admits that the site(s) need help & she doesn't know how to do that. She'd probably be thrilled to hear from you. :thumbsup:

gamergirlx
05-20-2011, 11:10 AM
As this years webmaster, I want to say that many of the descriptions of events and stuff I had to make up on the fly and tried my best to do research on to describe them which took me hours of work of searching posts and mentions of previous events.

I had only been to one costume-con in the past, and still do not have a total understanding of all the events that occur. I emailed most of the heads of events for descriptions asking them to describe the events as if they were talking to someone who had never heard of the event. I really never received anything back.

I was told to call people. However working overnights, unless people want a phone call in the wee hours of the morning, I'm not awake during "normal" awake hours. So email is my primary source of communication.

Also, I really didn't receive anything but random updates to post until the last 3-4 months before the convention, when I got busy running my own local convention's events which was a few weeks before costume-con. So I can say literally, leading up to costume-con I had no social life, and didn't even have time to finish a costume for myself.

I think in general, there's a lot of assumptions of the regular attending members of costume-con that everyone already knows what happens there. But if you are new and have interest, getting information about it is like pulling teeth. And there are significant differences about how same-named events are run at US anime cons and at costume-con/worldcons.

Also, there's such an emphasis on Cosplay vs Costuming. For most of us "cosplayers", it's all costuming. We just call it "cosplay" because it's the term that's used at the conventions we attend (mine being mostly anime conventions). And even in cosplay, there are different "flavors" to the definition of cosplay, other than how the term was coined.

I think among the "cosplayers" that attended from the US, most of which I know personally, there was the feeling that costume-con has a "good ol' boy" feel to it.

Another thing is that it might have been easier to garner members from the "cosplay" community 5 years ago. However, the majority of our conventions' members now-a-days are under 18, and usually only attend conventions with their parents or with a permission slip. Anime cons members are typically getting younger. As of the past few years, the ability to buy costumes online cheaply has affected the costuming trend at said cons. A good number of "cosplayers" buy their costumes instead of making them, so a conference on costuming techniques and workshops really holds no interest for them, unless they are attempting to make the jump. I think for a lot of cosplayers, the attention garnered by wearing a costume is the main reason for wearing it, not the satisfaction of being able to make it.

khenemetset
05-20-2011, 02:19 PM
A good number of "cosplayers" buy their costumes instead of making them, so a conference on costuming techniques and workshops really holds no interest for them, unless they are attempting to make the jump. I think for a lot of cosplayers, the attention garnered by wearing a costume is the main reason for wearing it, not the satisfaction of being able to make it.

You put this more eloquently then I was going to put it. The fact of the matter is most cosplayers are in it for the attention, the being fawned over, the people spazzing over the characters, the connection they make with other fans of said character and that's not something they're going to get at costume con. They might get comments about how cool a costume is but it's not the near hero worship they'd get at an anime con. That's not the case all the time, but for the most part it is.

The only thing I've noticed about CC recently is that the panel and workshops are less than stellar and there's not enough of them in the course of a day. I remember at CC 25, which was my first one, I had trouble attending everything I wanted to attend, I enjoyed having LOTS to attend and the last several I've been too there was really nothing of note that I hadn't already attended at CC 25 or of what was there it was something I had no interest in at all. And this year, while I didn't attend, looking over the program offerings it honestly made me glad I had to cancel going because there was nothing in programming that grabbed my interest at all. Of course, I know programing depends on what people submit and who can run them, but I'd like to see programming on par with CC 25.

CapsuleCorp
05-20-2011, 09:49 PM
As of the past few years, the ability to buy costumes online cheaply has affected the costuming trend at said cons. A good number of "cosplayers" buy their costumes instead of making them, so a conference on costuming techniques and workshops really holds no interest for them, unless they are attempting to make the jump. I think for a lot of cosplayers, the attention garnered by wearing a costume is the main reason for wearing it, not the satisfaction of being able to make it.

This is true. Very true.

AND YET...among them are people who don't just glom onto the hobby via what they see at other anime cons and think that buying is the only way it's done - there are still people who have learned by hanging out here at these forums and other places that the way to get the perfect costume they want is to make it themselves. Those people who get bitten by the costuming bug are the ones we want to attract to CC. They would come, and will come, if they can get around the misconceptions and/or learn enough about it to realize that it's totally what they want out of a con.

I suppose we're at that critical juncture historically-speaking where the old guard way of doing things is going to have to go by the wayside. The internet is the world marketplace of ideas and information, and even the would-be CC con chairs and their staff have to get on board with it or get run over. Thankfully, gamergeekgirlx and Kaijugal and sarcasm-hime and Bruce and Nora and geez lots of smart people are already on board with this, and doing the best they can while still banging their heads against people for whom the internet is a big scary thing they don't know how to work to their advantage. Time to change that, first of all, I think.

Kaijugal
05-21-2011, 03:13 AM
I know I shouldn't have to say this but for those who may come along and read the thread later; there is lots of room for commissioned or store bought costumes at Costume-Con, just not in the competitions. At the socials, theme parties, on the tours, i.e. tea parties, and in the halls it's all good. There is room for everybody. :)

von Drago
05-21-2011, 03:18 PM
I know I shouldn't have to say this but for those who may come along and read the thread later; there is lots of room for commissioned or store bought costumes at Costume-Con, just not in the competitions. At the socials, theme parties, on the tours, i.e. tea parties, and in the halls it's all good. There is room for everybody. :)



Absolutely! All types of costume are welcome - recreations, fantasy, media, historical, ethnic, self-made, purchased - everything! Even wearable art.

Each of the events & competitions have their own rules & mostly they prohibit purchased items from competing but certainly that doesn't atter in the halls.

Good point, Dawn & one misconception we needed to note.

Buddycat
05-22-2011, 01:08 PM
I think a good description of what each of the four contests are is key, and also any other contests (doll, hat, quilt, etc.). On CC29's website it's just the rules listed. Rules are helpful, but sometimes come up short as to what a new person can expect in the contest. People who attend anime conventions likely have a good idea of what to expect for the F/SF Masquerade, except that workmanship judging is done in the green room where at anime cons they're often done earlier in the day at a specific time slot.

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You mean like this?
http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php and http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=13399 ?

Buddycat
05-22-2011, 01:12 PM
I know I shouldn't have to say this but for those who may come along and read the thread later; there is lots of room for commissioned or store bought costumes at Costume-Con, just not in the competitions. At the socials, theme parties, on the tours, i.e. tea parties, and in the halls it's all good. There is room for everybody. :)


This occured to me as well. It's on the FAQ list I'm putting together and will be posting here for feedback.

Buddycat
05-22-2011, 01:49 PM
As this years webmaster, I want to say that many of the descriptions of events and stuff I had to make up on the fly and tried my best to do research on to describe them which took me hours of work of searching posts and mentions of previous events.

I think in general, there's a lot of assumptions of the regular attending members of costume-con that everyone already knows what happens there. But if you are new and have interest, getting information about it is like pulling teeth.

We just call it "cosplay" because it's the term that's used at the conventions we attend (mine being mostly anime conventions).

I think among the "cosplayers" that attended from the US, most of which I know personally, there was the feeling that costume-con has a "good ol' boy" feel to it.

Another thing is that it might have been easier to garner members from the "cosplay" community 5 years ago. However, the majority of our conventions' members now-a-days are under 18, and usually only attend conventions with their parents or with a permission slip. Anime cons members are typically getting younger. As of the past few years, the ability to buy costumes online cheaply has affected the costuming trend at said cons. A good number of "cosplayers" buy their costumes instead of making them, so a conference on costuming techniques and workshops really holds no interest for them, unless they are attempting to make the jump. I think for a lot of cosplayers, the attention garnered by wearing a costume is the main reason for wearing it, not the satisfaction of being able to make it.

Yeah, unfortunately, many of the committee heads in the recent past have run other CCs previously, and have kind of been on auto-pilot. And as CapsulCorp has said, they're not that Net savvy, whidh is why we need more younger, tech savvy people on committees. But of course, ya gotta be familiar with the format, first. There's the flip side of people who THINK they know how CC works, and they're wrong, thus repeating old mistakes.

Did you try to do your research first, or email someone like the service mark holder? Because she could have answered your questions readily, since it's her baby. That's the committee's fault if they didn't give you a central contact point person.

On the term "cosplay": while I understand the generic term usage, there's definitely a difference between "cosplay" as it's usually used and "costuming". That distinction needs to be made, as part of clearing up misconceptions.

As you and CapsuleCorp have discovered, there is a certain amount of assumptions made that new people will be familiar with the format. That's because many of the committee heads are over 30 and have never attended an anime con. At most, they assume people are coming from a general SF con background, which really isn't true, these days. What needs to be stressed is, now that we're getting new people in more significant numbers, and many are coming from the anime cons, they need to basically act like it's a new convention/conference. This doesn't mean change the format - just explain it, so the differences are seen.

This is a contributing factor to the "good ol' boy network" perception. These folks have been attending for a long time, and as has been mentioned, don't get to see each other except at CC. Almost all of them want to welcome new people, but kind of forget to be pro-active. Just about all of us "old guardians" on this forum recognize that. So, it's incumbent upon us to poke the standing committees into action, and I think you will see the fruits of those efforts over the next 3 years. The rest of you are helping to shape the new policies, which we appreciate.

People who exclusively wear paid-for costumes: If their focus is just wearing costume, the hoareds of photographers and the excitement over recognizable characters, then no, CC is not for them. Costuming is treated as wearable art at CC. And (beyond the usual personality differences), everyone is treated as an equal. There is no "squee factor". Our pursuit is learning and displaying our art form. And having fun while doing it.

From what I have heard, we want to reach out to those anime fans/cosplayers who aren't discouraged by being told they're "too old to cosplay" (how rude!) and continue to want to make costumes for the enjoyment of it. They are the ones who want to branch out into original creations, as well as continue to make recreations. And, of course, anyone is welcome who just likes to look at what people have created (photographers, tech people, etc.)

CapsuleCorp
05-22-2011, 08:35 PM
Well said, Bruce.

Tangentially, ahahaha I'm in the thumbnail for the CC28 gallery. Awesome. XD I do love the way the galleries are set up, it's so easy to just glide in and check out the range of costumes presented in the contests every year. I for one will be ready to hand out that link to anyone who's thinking about going to CostumeCon and wants to know what kinds of costumes fly there - though the short answer is "all of them!" people may want to know what they'd be up against in competition.

von Drago
05-22-2011, 10:00 PM
Tangentially, ahahaha I'm in the thumbnail for the CC28 gallery. Awesome. XD I do love the way the galleries are set up, it's so easy to just glide in and check out the range of costumes presented in the contests every year. I for one will be ready to hand out that link to anyone who's thinking about going to CostumeCon and wants to know what kinds of costumes fly there - though the short answer is "all of them!" people may want to know what they'd be up against in competition.

Yes, yes you are :toothy:
I've been helping with the Costume-Con Visual Archives for the last couple of years helping load the official photos since I'm a dab hand with the Gallery software. So I try to put something visually "catchy" for the primary thumbnail.

The Gallery for Costume-Con ( http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php ) can definitely give you the flavor for what shows up there & is competed. And for even more pictures from Costume-Cons, particularly hall costumes, check out the International Costumers Gallery ( https://costume.pixi.me/main.php ).

Did I mention I also stump for the ICG Archives as well? ;)

BoinkCoBoy
05-23-2011, 07:35 PM
We went through a lot of this promoting CC26, which we did for a total of FIVE years (two years as a bid and 3 more after we won the bid). That got the attendance up to around 900 people, but it was a LOT of work. That work included helping out at Anime LA and all sorts of costumed events, not just conventions. Andy and I were fortunate that we had the disposable income to do all that travel and promotion; many convention committee members do not.

We did try to keep a thread of "new to Costume-Con" articles on the website (for instance, http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101), and I've left the website active in case anyone ever needs the info as reference.

Buddycat
05-23-2011, 10:47 PM
We went through a lot of this promoting CC26, which we did for a total of FIVE years (two years as a bid and 3 more after we won the bid). That got the attendance up to around 900 people, but it was a LOT of work. That work included helping out at Anime LA and all sorts of costumed events, not just conventions. Andy and I were fortunate that we had the disposable income to do all that travel and promotion; many convention committee members do not.

We did try to keep a thread of "new to Costume-Con" articles on the website (for instance, http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101), and I've left the website active in case anyone ever needs the info as reference.

And the work certainly paid off, although you had a built in advantage, because it was California. As is typical, CCs generally attract more people from the region where that particular convention is appearing that year. Californians pretty much have everything they want there, so they don't feel a need to travel beyond the Rockies. And there are a LOT of conventions there to draw from. Midwestern CCs, have been smaller and more intimate. East Coast ones are generally slightly bigger.


By the way, I'm currently putting together an FAQ that I want people who have never attended or were new to CC to comment on, and add anything they think should be included.

Buddycat
05-26-2011, 07:16 PM
Okay - here it is. I've incoporated what's been said here so far to come up with this FAQ that will answer at least some of the questions people have had before the con. If you have additions, let me know. Once I've got a final tally, I'll take them back to the committees and the RUNACC Yahoo Group to put it up.

How many people attend Costume-Con?
Is this a media convention?
What kinds of costuming will I see at Costume-Con?
Will I look out of place if I’m not wearing a costume all the time?
I don’t make costumes. Are purchased ones okay?
Everyone looks like they’re so much better than me! Why should I bother?
Is this run by the International Costumers Guild?
What kinds of subjects are taught in the panels?
Are people paid to speak or given a free membership?
Is there a list or schedule of panels I can look at, to see if I’d be interested?
Why is Costume-Con so expensive to attend?
Are there any special guest celebrities?
What is the Friday Night Social and what happens at it?
What is the “Con Suite”?
I’m shy, and I’m afraid no one will talk to me. What should I do?
I’ve heard that the masquerades have “Tech Rehearsals”. What are those?
What is the Skill Division system for?
How do I know at what level should I enter at?
I’ve heard something referred to as a “Green Room”. What’s that for?
I’ve seen mention of something called a “Den Mom”. What’s that?
Workmanship Judging sounds intimidating. How does that work, and why should I bother?
Do I need to have documentation? What format should it be in?
Are there any cash prizes?
I’ve heard some guild chapters give out their own awards. What’s that about?
What is the Historical Masquerade?
Why is documentation so important for this masquerade and why does it have its own category?
Can my parents/friends/etc. come to see the shows?
I’ve heard there are no activities/panels scheduled opposite the shows. Why is that?
This is supposed to be a 4 day conference. Why should I stay through Monday?
I’d like to volunteer. Who should I talk to?


Your feedback is appreciated.

CapsuleCorp
05-26-2011, 09:43 PM
"Everyone looks like they’re so much better than me! Why should I bother?"

I have been asking myself this ALL WEEK ever since Nora put up the link to the galleries. I spent all night ogling costumes from the 90's and feeling so unworthy. :D

No really that's a good list, so far. If you want to make sure you have all the unique events covered, you might also include "what is" questions for the Future Fashion Show/Folio and the Single Pattern contest. ESPECIALLY the Folio - I just fielded questions about it from one of MACS's newest members last week, now that I think about it.

Buddycat
05-27-2011, 07:56 AM
That would be the sound of completely having a blind spot that missed that. Not sure what happened - whether I just missed it in cut and paste, or I really did completely forget it. Thanks!

Anything else anybody has questions on?

Aurora Maryte
05-27-2011, 11:46 AM
I think that list of FAQs is great, and covers everything I would have wanted to know, and likely anything that any newcomer could want to know. That's awesome. :)

Buddycat
05-27-2011, 09:41 PM
Okay - to add to the FAQ for the things I forgot:

What is the Future Fashion Folio?
How do you submit designs?
How are the designs judged?
How can I enter when I can't/don't draw?
Do I have to be a member of the convention?
Can I make up someone's design, even though I can't go to CC this year?
What happens in the Future Fashion Show?
What is the Single Pattern competition?
Are there any other competitions?

Kaijugal
06-03-2011, 01:19 PM
You put this more eloquently then I was going to put it. The fact of the matter is most cosplayers are in it for the attention, the being fawned over, the people spazzing over the characters, the connection they make with other fans of said character and that's not something they're going to get at costume con.

We have a saying here in Toronto that I think sums up what many people in this thread have said nicely:

"There are Anime Fans who Costume, and then there are Costumers who are Anime Fans."

It's the latter we're appealing to in the case of Costume-Con.

Some people who start as Anime Fans don't realize initially that they would have a passion for costuming as well so it's nice when they have a venue to branch out and try other things, or discuss that particular part of their fannishness.

trixyloupwolf
06-03-2011, 07:58 PM
attention is nice
dough apreciation from oter costume fan and more mature people is fun too

iam not a big fangirl fanboy type =-=''

i like wen knowledge people like my stuff <3
rather that like my charactere

so ya i prefer costume con over anime con <3
but i really love anime con cause its fun too <3

so ya some are attention o vore thingy
but they are other that are not like that either nya!!!


youll see wen you grew a lil bit ^^ nya!!
costume con is awsome wahouuu

we learn soooo much <3 and make lasting friendship of doom<3

iam a big anime fan and prefer costume con
many contest costume<3 many constructive pannel
not just fanpannel about this anime or this anime or so
we have experiance people in the pannel that make it awsome cause they know more then we do <3


i would not want costume con to disapear cause i looove it
nya!!

agree if your a attention seeker youll miss a lot at convention
all of them i loove attention but i rather have friendship that last and have more knowledge <3 to make better costume and become greater <3

and becoming older i might not have a chance to seek that much attention over my costume in the futur year <3
but ya hug hug!!

all come to costume con for fun and for learning nya!!and everlasting friendship.