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Caldon Reyn
04-04-2004, 06:19 PM
Sadly I myself shall not be attending. My poor rear lives all the way on the eastern side of Missouri. How ever there is a question I want to ask that I'm sure others would like to know. I understand and respect the need for zero weapons, props or otherwise. But what about things like empty gun holsters or empty sword sheaths and things of that nature. Is that ok or is that a no-no?

I'm sorry if I am asking a silly or stupid question that might get me in trouble but I would like to know just the same.

Also I am planing on attending Cosplay events in the future and yes my orginal characters do wear weapons. My question is what if I went there carring weapons that had the orange on the end of the muzzle? They are air type guns that take soft pellets only, they do look real but I would make sure not to load them or put an air cartridge in them. Plus I'd be sure to make that clear at the door straight away so I don't get taken away. But I wanted to know if that was ok or not? The items I want to buy can be found at this site.: http://www.guns.com/ (I know, it says guns but just go there and look around, I promise it's a airsoft guns, not the real thing.)


Thank you for your time.

Claire
04-05-2004, 12:07 AM
Airsoft guns are considered legal weapons in some areas, so I wouldn't suggest carrying one for a costume, as you will most certainly be asked to leave it in your hotel room.

Also, many areas have a "sillouette" law, stating you can't cary anything that might, under even the slightest circumstances, be mistaken for a weapon. So putting a bright colored whatever on your prop isn't going to help. That is, for the most part, peacebonding, and Admin stated that not even peacebonded weapons are welcome.

Admin
04-05-2004, 12:40 AM
Caldon - each convention has its own policy on weapons, and most of them are strict enough to not allow stuff like that. The last thing con security needs to be doing is constatnly scanning every prop in the room to make sure if it's real or fake.

Our *own* policy is zero weapons for the picnic, real or fake.

stefaniecat
04-05-2004, 01:36 PM
I too am trying to navigate the prop weapons that are okay vs the prop weapons that aren't world, Caldon Reyn (not for the picnic, but in general for cons).

Airsoft guns fall into that 'grey area' where they're toys but they're not, and my understanding is that most cons won't accept them anymore.... which is a shame, in that they look good and are a quick accessory piece, but I do understand the need for security...

Anyway, like was mentioned above, it does vary from state to state, so do some net research. I went to the official government page on firearms etc. and looked up my state (CA). It was kinda confusing, as recently the law that pertains to toy weapons in CA has changed, specifically in regard to airsoft guns, so that I can't really get through the legaleese on this one to the part of the law that is the most up to date... but its a good place to start to make sure that you're relativly secure in your position....

Caldon Reyn
04-05-2004, 08:02 PM
But no one has answered my other question yet. What about carrying empty holsters or sheaths? In general I mean.

K_Valentine
04-05-2004, 10:25 PM
If it looks like you might have a weapon, you can get arrested and/or shot.

Empty holsters/sheaths may be okay, but it may cause people and cops to ask, "Where are the weapons?" Cops can possibly suspect you of carrying a concealed weapon. If you don't have a weapon on you, it'll be an unfounded accusation. But they may have to stop, detain, and search you to confirm that first (actually experienced that first hand).

Eh, you wanna carry anything resembling a weapon or anything carrying a weapon, go ahead but acknowledge the risk.

Sagara-san
04-06-2004, 01:31 AM
K's right....risks are very high as far as said weapons and weapon holders go.....these are risks that only face us now because of security and their need to be EXTREMELY safe from harm of any kind no matter how ridiculous it seems.

Reaver
04-06-2004, 02:42 AM
frankly, I dont see any harm in fake swords. Guns, maybe, but not really swords. But I don't think there is a problem with sheaths or holsters. Although I do have to say, not being able to carry weapons has sure put a damper on some of my cosplays. For the picnic, I was origionally going to do my Hajime Saitou Crossplay, but it would seem too weird to not have a sword for his gatotsu. So yah, it kinda sux! ^_^

PorcelainSakura
04-06-2004, 02:56 AM
About airsofts:
I know an ex-cop that says gang members in his area had started painting the tips of their REAL guns orange because of airsofts.
So cops have a reason to be paranoid of toy guns.

Reaver
04-06-2004, 03:33 PM
Yeah, I have a BB Gun pistol and I'm not allowed to take it outside nemore unless its in m own backyard! Kinda sux (the gophers finally figured out that they don't last long if they decide to live on MY territory!!! ) ^_^

Clueless Case
04-08-2004, 10:10 PM
I have a question.....Can i bring my shinai since im bringin my kendo uniform

stefaniecat
04-09-2004, 01:57 PM
This just came in the mail yesterday, in the newsletter that my brother's high school puts out:

(all emphasas is the writers of the alert, and not my own)


Orange Police Department Safety Alert!
Air Soft Weapons

Recently the Orange Police Department has responded to several calls involving jueveniles playing with guns. Althought these incidents involve mainly airsoft weapons, the Police Department CANNOT UNDERESTIMATE THE POTENTIAL FOR LETHAL INJURY in these situations. THEY ARE INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM ACUTAL FIREWARMS even to law enforcement. Lief or death circumstances require split-second decision-making. Each call is taken very seriously and acted uon, until determined, otherwise, as though the weapons are real firearms.

If contacted by police, immediatly place the weapons on the ground and follow all instructions given by police. Do not make any sdden movement. Follow Directions.

Airsoft weapons are replica air-powered firewarms that shoot 6mm plastic pellets. Since the guns fire pellets of plastic BBs at low velocity, many youths use them to play combat games and shoot eachotehr. They are nearly identical to the actual firearms and often contain interchangeable parts. As such, THEY ARE INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM ACTUAL FIREARMS AND SHOULD NOT BE DISPLAYED IN PUBLIC PLACES. Many ownder remove the required safety marking to make the weapon appear more realistic. Although marketed as such, they are not toys and can result in serious injury. All related safety material urges caution in use, including the wearing of protective gear, and supervision. The material also advises users "YOU SHOULD NEVER DISPLAY YOUR AIRSOFT WEAPON IN PUBLIC OF HAVE IT SITTING IN THE OPEN IN A VEHICLE."

Crimes committed with airsoft guns carry the same penalty as those committed with actual firearms, including brandishing a firearm to threaten someone, or brandishing in a threatening manner.

Admin
04-09-2004, 02:20 PM
Further example of why there will be zero weapons, yes even FAKE weapons, at the picnic. The police don't fool around, and that's fine because they're paid not to.

Reaver
04-10-2004, 12:28 AM
Well, I may be cosplayng Seras Victoria(Hellsing) and I made her Halconnen (which is a bazooka), but it loox totally fake. No way it could possibly shoot or be mistaken as anything, would that be ok? Or still too bad? XD

Chii desu
04-10-2004, 01:33 AM
Would something like a wrench be ok as a prop to bring? How about sonson's (marvel vs. Capcom 2) stick? (ask if reference image needed)

Ashe
04-10-2004, 03:44 PM
Reaver- Yeah, I made that argument once too. The response I got from security was that it could still be used pretty lethally as a club.

Moon Prince
04-10-2004, 04:33 PM
I would think that anything large enough to draw attention that looks anything remotely close to a weapon such as a "Cloud" sword or Seras' cannon, could be a club. Even a bright geen wood riffle...

So unless it's like an obvious squirt gun, super soaker, I would advise against anything weapon like.

I have a cane for my Tuxedo Kamen... I may not even bring that.

Clueless Case
04-10-2004, 05:31 PM
soooo i cant bring my kendo equipment......

Sagara-san
04-10-2004, 07:09 PM
I believe you 'cant" bring your kendo equipment Clueless Case.

Reaver
04-10-2004, 10:08 PM
That just sux in my opinion. But oh well! No weapons!!! :waaaah:

Jubei-chan
04-10-2004, 10:57 PM
Question for the admin ... What about other props that aren't "weapons"? Like Tuxedo Mask's cane, or perhaps Wolfwood's Punisher of Trigun (wrapped). My brother and bf might be cosplaying Nick and Chapel from Trigun. Mind you they are cardboard crosses. One is wrapped and another is a giant silver two piece cross thingy.

Refrence pic 1 (http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=70474&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=2)

Refrence pic 2 (http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=70463&password=&sort=1&size=medium&cat=500&page=2)

This is the prop I'm trying to get Ok-ed. If you think its to large or too "weapon-y" then no harm to leave it at home. Thanks!

ACXchan
04-15-2004, 05:45 AM
My slight confusion over this is that a baseball bat could be a weapon but don't kids play baseball in that park? I can see why you wouldn't want to bring a firearm like an airsoft or an unsharpened katana but what about a plywood sword? Certainly less dangerous than an aluminum baseball bat but it's in the shape of a sword hehe.

Is this rule more like if it's used as a weapon in the anime, you can't bring it? I have back ups for my costume but having the weapon sort of brings out the character's trademark is all.

Asukas~Doll
04-15-2004, 11:12 AM
Ok, but what if the thing you want to bring isn't a weapon? Like can I bring my really fake bass guitar? Would that be ok? Or not?

I don't want to bring it and be in trouble, or not bring it and get asked why I don't have it. ^_^

DorkyVash
04-15-2004, 02:55 PM
Aww I want to bring my padded swords so my friend and I can spar...*cries* but Case might smite us with her kendo stuff...man now what do I have to defend myself in case the evil one comes as well? *cries some more*

Moon Prince
04-15-2004, 02:59 PM
I guess, guns swords? that sort of thing... ones that look real.. we are dealing with a public place... I mean like big foam swords would be okay? who knows... I guess then something like Cloud's sword would be okay, but Kenshin's would not?

DorkyVash
04-15-2004, 03:02 PM
Maybe I can bring my doomsday weapon....since it is made of legos....

Squall
04-15-2004, 03:04 PM
Our *own* policy is zero weapons for the picnic, real or fake.


That's why I'm not bringing any myself ;_; but rules are rules XO

DorkyVash
04-15-2004, 03:17 PM
What would happen if we so happen to create a weapon while we are over there...I mean there have to be sticks and such... *gets hit in the head and gets dragged away*

Squall
04-15-2004, 04:30 PM
LOL..well looks like Admin just updated everything goin on so "props" are ok, but "real weapons" are not....yay!

Clueless Case
04-15-2004, 07:12 PM
Ne thing can be a weapon.....-attacks ppl with a spork- MWHAHA

Admin
04-15-2004, 07:39 PM
LOL..well looks like Admin just updated everything goin on so "props" are ok, but "real weapons" are not....yay!
Just to clarify, "prop weapons" are NOT ok. Oi this thing gets more confusing the more I have to clarify it. LOL

DorkyVash
04-15-2004, 07:43 PM
*attacks using a giant thing of Spam Musubi*

Squall
04-15-2004, 07:49 PM
Just to clarify, "prop weapons" are NOT ok. Oi this thing gets more confusing the more I have to clarify it. LOL


@_______________@ ok no props then!! X___X *dies* my poor Gunblade ;_;

ACXchan
04-16-2004, 12:20 AM
If you're really unsure about your prop but feel the prop would greatly enhance your costume why not just bring it anyway and get Admin or Aeris and co. opinion in person. If they think the prop is a liability you can always just put it back in your car ^ ^;

Eurobeat King
04-16-2004, 12:34 AM
I was tempted in bringing Hibiki Takane(Capcom vs. SNK 2) to crossplay since i'm not wearing her at Sakuracon the weekend after, but I didn't want to fly the cane-sword or even the sword-sheath with me. Even then that wooden sheath would count as a weapon, and Hibiki isn't the same w/o her trusty cane-sword.. :lost:

Ah, well.. Fanime will come soon enough for more bright-orange uniformed, silent, sword-slahing, samurai-girl fun! ;)

Gatack
04-16-2004, 03:12 AM
I know this is a stupid question but I must ask it anyway to save myself anymore anxiety surrounding this event...(lets just say work made me jump through hoops to get the day off)

Anyways, my crossplay is Zoro from One Piece...and it's really hard to be Zoro without 3 swords.

The ones I use are just the plastic ones you buy at the costume stores(they were so cheezy, I had to paint 2 of blades silver). I just really want a clear answer if these are a no or a yes to bring?

*bows* Thank you for your time!

Admin
04-16-2004, 04:00 AM
I know this is a stupid question but I must ask it anyway to save myself anymore anxiety surrounding this event...(lets just say work made me jump through hoops to get the day off)

Anyways, my crossplay is Zoro from One Piece...and it's really hard to be Zoro without 3 swords.

The ones I use are just the plastic ones you buy at the costume stores(they were so cheezy, I had to paint 2 of blades silver). I just really want a clear answer if these are a no or a yes to bring?

*bows* Thank you for your time!

No, these would be considered "fake" weapons which are not allowed. No weapons, real or fake.

To everyone: the moment a cop sees you running around with a sword or fake gun 100 feet away, the last thing he's going to say to himself is "it's ok, he must be cosplaying."

DorkyVash
04-16-2004, 04:15 AM
No Bows No Blades. Leave Your Weapons Here.

stefaniecat
04-16-2004, 05:26 PM
To everyone: the moment a cop sees you running around with a sword or fake gun 100 feet away, the last thing he's going to say to himself is "it's ok, he must be cosplaying."

::cracks up::

Unless the person was in some crazy outfit with wild hair and was surrounded by winged people with freaky apendages and other elements of out of this world anime... then he might say "It's an anime gang!" and call for back up first. After all, fans are dangerous. :)

serriously, I remember when some nutso ran thorugh a supermarket with a sword a while back - he killed someone, wounded several others... it was in the papers... people are crazy.

Squall
04-16-2004, 05:36 PM
yeah it was right there in Irvine inside an Albertsons which I have been too.....@_@

Clueless Case
04-16-2004, 06:44 PM
It's ppl like that who blow things for us....-mutters-

NoLable721
04-17-2004, 02:34 AM
This this mean, no shootable pinwheel? :lost:

DorkyVash
04-17-2004, 04:10 AM
What if I bring my magic Grimore... I promise not to cast or summon anything evil...

Shaman Soul
08-26-2004, 09:50 AM
ive heard of people bringing unloaded guns to cons ! thats a no no in my book

the aj
10-05-2005, 07:01 AM
This is a very tricky issue indeed... case in point, two guns I have. One is a very real Beretta Model 92 handed down to me, and the other is an airsoft pistol of the same make and model, purchased for 20 bucks. The airsoft gun was a clear plastic piece when I bought it; after about an hour of disassembly, primer, and paint work with a (cheap) airbrush, it became a strikingly convincing Beretta. At arm's length, I find it hard to tell the two pistols apart. Under closer inspection, the only apparent difference is that the real gun has red around the safety button, and the lever that tells you there's a chambered bullet. Even my friends who airsoft the hell out of each other every weekend were a bit frosty initally. It's all in fun of course, but it just goes to show that even "gray area" has its bounds. How do you make rules within reason that seperate a gun such as mine, with say, an uprepped 2-dollar cap gun? Glad the decision's not up to me.

the aj
10-05-2005, 07:05 AM
Posting in archives... I never cease to amaze myself. My apologies for an inane post.