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firewingpegasus
04-06-2004, 12:23 PM
does anyone have any tips for a guy on how to make the face look any girlier? I really don't know what I could do because I don't like my nose :( but I think I have a pretty decent face for crossplaying :p I just need to see... any help? I'll post a picture later on if anyone wants me to (of my face). I guess some makeup could do but I really don't know, I would like to make my chink look a little thinner :jjacks:

dustbunny
04-06-2004, 01:24 PM
makup would do the trick...hair is also a big thing. to bad you don't have a pic yet that would make this a lot easier.

ericaqt
04-06-2004, 02:38 PM
I once saw a website for just this topic, it showed tips on makeup for all face types showing how to use makeup using shadowing look and where to put it to make a guys face look like a girl's. Sorry I don't have the url but I'll try looking

ericaqt
04-06-2004, 03:15 PM
Here are some sites that I found that may be usefull

http://www.tgcosmetics.com/tips/tips.htm (scroll down)
http://www.steffiemor.com/makeup.html
http://members.aol.com/Diane1962/tipsmup.html
http://www.geocities.com/rachelrehm/makeup.html
http://www.austranny.com/gguide/
http://www.crossdressingpicturegallery.com/index.php

I could have found more but that should be some good pointers. Many of the results I found were advertisements for makeup artists, and makeup tip kits. these are some of the free ones. If you want to find more, here are the keywords I used

crossdresser +"makeup tips"

True, crossdressing and crossplaying is different but obviously the tips apply to both and there are more sites aimed at crossdressers than crossplayers. I didn't fully read any of these pages so I can't say if it's GOOD advice... just don't use too much makeup and wind up looking slutty, you're supposed to make it look like you aren't wearing makeup...

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If you're doing your eyebrows, I read a newspaper article about how to find where the arch should be yo do this, look in the mirror and imagine a straight line going from the middle of the bottom/under your nose to the center of your your eyeball (assuming your looking straight) and extending in a straight line to your eyeball, that's where the arch of your eyebrow should be. And don't make them too thin because te article said that makes you look older

firewingpegasus
04-06-2004, 11:06 PM
well, I just posted my picture on my profile if anyone wants to see it now, maybe that'll help more... thanks for the links, though, but I'm kind of confused about what you meant by the eyebrow, lol... can you explain it in another way? (sorry). It's neat because I was going to ask on how to do that too :) thanks.
note- I don't really like showing my pictures but I guess I really have to this time :p so I did, I think I don't look good at all, but it's the best one I could find. Oh, and in my first post, I meant to say "chin" not "chink" lol, thanks again, I need all the help I can get, hope you can give me straight out tips on what to do.

Cat Scratch
04-06-2004, 11:57 PM
Don't take this the wrong way Firewingpegasus but you already have features that work for a girl. I'm not calling you girly but your facial structure is condusive to looking so. Your lips and eyes are great. I would sujest thining your nose a little with highlights and shadows and then using a little blush to give you the higher cheekbones common to most girls. Then get this stuff called eyebrow wax (you'll need makeup sealent too). Basicly it's this wax feamale immpersonaters use to hide their eye brows so they can draw more feminin ones one. Most stores that have theatrical make up carrie it. Other than those things I can't really think of any thing else.

firewingpegasus
04-07-2004, 10:10 AM
no offense taken at all :p that just made my life easier then. yay! I'll try what you said and then see what comes out... maybe i'll post a pic of when i'm done and dressed up :jjacks:

ericaqt
04-07-2004, 06:25 PM
If you still want that info... I found the article I was talking about because I scanned it to my computer when I read it. The file size of the whole image of the article is too large so I typed up the article and uploaded just the pics in the article. I also made a crappy picture showing what I mean, look at it while reading what I wrote and hopefully you'll understand. (I can draw better but that was just a quick pic showing what I meant about the lines) By the way, I guess I didn't read the arch locating tip from the article... maybe I saw it on a tv show or something...

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Avoid urge to pluck brows too much, expert says
By Allison Kaplan
Knight Ridder Newspapers

We've become a nation over-tweezed. It's a beauty epidemic.
"Women take off more and more, and before you know it, they have thin eyebrows that age them," warns Damone Roberts, the Beverly Hills eyebrow guru who tamed Madonna's swooping arches into softer curves. "Marlene Dietrich looked 40 when she was 20 because her brows were so thin."
Roberts opened the country's first brows-only salon in Beverly Hills. He's on a mission to reshape the world's wayward brows -- one celebrity at a time. He makes house calls to Heather Locklear, Kevin Costner and Sela Ward.
"This is the last untapped market in the industry," says Roberts, who charges a brow-raising $60 for a 15-minute wax.
"It's what manicures and pedicures were 20 years ago. With good eyebrows, you look made up without makeup."
He offers these rules:
- Never tweeze eyebrows more than an inch apart. "Too much space makes the eyes appear a lot smaller."
- Color in what's missing -- particularly near the nose, with a matching eyeliner pencil. You can also fill in with eye shadow, which tends to look more like hair. (Apply with the side of an angled brush rather than the point for a softer look.) A brow gel will seal in the color.
- Highlight the arch with a white or silver-tinted shadow.
- Consider your face shape. Avoid round brows on a round face. Instead, raise the arch to add length. For a square face, try to soften the arch. Heart shaped faces require a more straight line. Ovals, he says, are perfect.
- Don't try to copy another's brows -- even on a picture-perfect face. "Julia Roberts' brows may work for her but that doesn't mean the shape will work for you."
- Tinting makes a huge difference. "Blond brows can erase you. Darker brows emphasize your features." (Tinting can also cost more than waxing. The color lasts about a month.)
Roberts recommends that everyone get their brows shaped by a professional -- at least for the first time. After that, you should be able to maintain the look.

Lady
04-07-2004, 09:01 PM
I agree - you should do pretty well crossplaying! You might want to wear false eyelashes - they tend to add instant femininity to any face. Plus some lipstick and blush, of course, and you should have a pretty good start.

My biggest advice would be to just get some makeup and spend some time on weekends playing around with it. See what works best for you. The more practice, the better and faster you'll become, and the more confident*nods* Also, if you have female friends where you live, ask them to give you a 'makeover' and watch what they do when they put the makeup on you.

Best of luck! Please post pics so we can see the results!

-Lady

firewingpegasus
04-07-2004, 09:05 PM
thanks a lot, you're all great! I hope it didn't take you that long to type that up, that was big help (for the eyebrows)! Thank you. :p

Kokuu
04-07-2004, 09:09 PM
Aside from makeup and the eyebrows- smile! Girls are generally a lot more expressive then guys, and their facial features are typically more exaggerated. You see a lot more girls smiling (and when you smile, show teeth) for no apparent reason while guys well tend to be expressionless. So flash those pearly whites!

Gothic_Catboy
04-08-2004, 12:56 AM
If you really want to style your eyebrows professionally.... go to a salon that offers waxing and have them do it. It may cost a little, but at least you have a little confidence that they have been doing this for a little while and that they will sculpt your brow to however you want it. Besides, you can always tell them that you're in experimental theater and getting ready for a role... or bring a girlfriend or whatever and make it seems like you're doing it as a bet.

Chino-San
04-09-2004, 12:19 AM
Yes I do agree the eyebrows make a really big difference when it comes to appearance. When I got my eye brows plucked for the first time it made a huge difference I did look like a girl for once. Also curling your eye lashes also wearing lip gloss and maybe some blush to make your cheeks be a bit noticable also it gives the adorable blushing look. I say the most important part is to take off all noticable facial hair. Basically I am telling ya to shave lol. But I am sure I am restating what everyone else is saying. Here is an example of one of my crossplay costumes.

http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=121941&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

HyperrrMouse
04-09-2004, 03:02 AM
I think all i can say, cause everyone else has said great comments, is that the true art to applying make-up, is to make it look like you aren't wearing any. (this goes against some of my black lipstick usage but this is beside the point). Make-up is to be used to create an illusion. I hate to say it, but the biggest give-away for me that someone is crossdressing or crossplaying is that they have caked on way too much make-up, and this is visible at 20 yards at least. Avoid "six inch powder, six in base."

subtle, just keep thinking in implications and you'll do great. You have a lovely face structure, you'll be fine ^^

Mizuno Tenshi
04-09-2004, 11:17 AM
Aside from makeup and the eyebrows- smile! Girls are generally a lot more expressive then guys, and their facial features are typically more exaggerated. You see a lot more girls smiling (and when you smile, show teeth) for no apparent reason while guys well tend to be expressionless. So flash those pearly whites!

Man, ya beat me to it! I was going to say that. If someone smiles, it instantly makes them prettier! Even if you're emotionless or indifferent at the time, a small, wistful little smile or smirk adds some character and makes you look less like a guy. Also, whatever facial expression you're wearing tends to carry over into how you actually feel. So love how you're dressed, smile about it, and you'll feel even better and have more reason to smile! Instant feedback loop to gratification. ;)

If you're gonna be Hotaru, then still smile, but a sad little smile if you want to be in character. She's the type who might smile bitterly, but at least there's SOME emotion. :)

Tenshi

WoodenCoyote
04-09-2004, 11:34 AM
Don't forget to shave! You won't look too girly with a five o' clock shadow.. :woah:

Chino-San
04-09-2004, 01:20 PM
I think you should apply a little head tilt because most girls tilt their head during pictures. Well...this is from what I've seen

Chino-San
04-09-2004, 01:21 PM
I say you should always add alittle bit of a head tilt because I've notice majority of pics the female has a head tilt....well only in profile at least. But I could be wrong

HyperrrMouse
04-09-2004, 01:33 PM
I think you may be right. I at times am an awful girl and not terribly girly, but i have noticed the head tilt. there's also always the coy looking up while smiling slightly. The head tilt is such a great observation, back when i had to get pictures taken at school they always asked me to slightly tilt my head, but never asked the boys to do that.
I never had even really noticed the head tilit, but you're so right! great observation!!

Kirin-Riki
04-10-2004, 02:31 PM
Just a couple of tips.
get a girl's advice on how you look
go for the eyebrows
make sure the lip shape is right
and use a picture of a girl for reference.

yeah, i guess the head tilting thing works too.
< just look at pic :)

Chino-San
04-10-2004, 02:38 PM
Which pic? Also I my friends have told me when you wear lip gloss, try choosing a natural color if not use clear lip gloss.

Kirin-Riki
04-10-2004, 02:42 PM
just the avatar

firewingpegasus
04-12-2004, 04:11 PM
So, do you think I could pull it off? I mean, I really think my nose or something else is going to give it away, lol. I'm trying to fix my eyebrows but I can't get professional help yet because I haven't told my parent's I'll be crossplaying... :( I really need to. Anyway, I already know how to put on make up and not make it look excessive because I put it on at school almost all the time, lol. the only thing I need big help on now is how to make my cheeks look girlier since I haven't seen a picture at any website I looked, they just have text telling something about "from the ear to under the 'apple" for darker something and something... grr, I don't know how to do that :`( I need help. Also (I already asked) the nose. Is there anything I can do about it, then? and really tell me if you think i could look like a girl ;) That's all I need help on now, thanks again. I'm girly enough and all that when I want to, so it all works out.

bipolarbunny
04-12-2004, 04:19 PM
use a big fat fluffy brush and suck in your cheeks to make a fish face. and then just follow the natural line that you see at your cheeks. the apples of your cheeks are the round part, and follow up towards your ear. i hate blush because i have pink cheeks already and i look like i'm constantly embarrassed, so i say go easy on it.

Kirin-Riki
04-12-2004, 05:32 PM
first, we'll need a picture of you :)

ZoraLink
04-12-2004, 05:43 PM
i find that a lot of guys...if you just give them girly hair and make-up and the works...it would look good. And I agree with Cat Scrath...again..not that you look girly...just the structure...

firewingpegasus
04-12-2004, 07:05 PM
there's a picture on my profile, Kirin-Riki. Or do you want another one? maybe a front one or from the side? :dance: :chatah:

oOX_Jun_XOo
04-12-2004, 07:06 PM
Yeah get some more pics of you!....and fast! :thumbsup:

firewingpegasus
04-12-2004, 07:17 PM
hmmm... well, i just took some.. but i don't know where i could put them if not in the profile, can anyone tell me?

oOX_Jun_XOo
04-12-2004, 07:53 PM
I wish I knew.....Hmmm does anyone know how??? I've never tried to post anything in my photo gallery before. Oh and don't worry about your nose so much, I know a bunch of girls who have a more mannish or bigger nose and they are friggin hot! :rockon:

firewingpegasus
04-12-2004, 08:31 PM
well, i guess this could work... I attached a pic here, it's looking straight forward to me... just if you wanted to see me from the front :) Oh, and I changed my profile pic, I dunno why but I did so, there you go, lol.

QuickSilver
04-12-2004, 08:37 PM
Wow....all those tips are are really helpful! But I guess I got lucky, if you'd call it that? ^^, that I'm already "blessed" with more feminine features. :thumbsup: By the way, no offense, but I think you could easily pass for a girl if you wanted!

oOX_Jun_XOo
04-12-2004, 08:56 PM
Yay! You did it...yeah you would make a convincing girl easily. :bigtu:

Chino-San
04-13-2004, 12:45 AM
How about you and I become lesbians? J/K you'd make a good girl ^^

Chino-San
04-13-2004, 12:51 AM
Looky new pic ^^

http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=123554&password=16db7a87eae8c1c2bb12a3c1485b7bad&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

Out of topic statement here
How about we get a crossplay group at a con! With these lovely gentle........I mean ladies, it'd be an awesome group!

Mizuno Tenshi
04-13-2004, 01:15 AM
What, you mean like group se...... erm... group... settings! Yeah... that's it... Whoever I run into, anyhow.

Tenshi

bipolarbunny
04-13-2004, 02:39 AM
well, i guess this could work... I attached a pic here, it's looking straight forward to me... just if you wanted to see me from the front :) Oh, and I changed my profile pic, I dunno why but I did so, there you go, lol.

actually you could pass quite easily for a female.

the only things i can see are maybe do your eyebrows so they have more of an arch to them, rather than being straight across, and you kinda have a "sleepy" look to your eyes and you can just use eyeliner and bring the line up a little bit at the end, a little eyeshadow, and ta-da!

firewingpegasus
04-13-2004, 10:05 AM
How about we get a crossplay group at a con! With these lovely gentle........I mean ladies, it'd be an awesome group!

lol, Chino makes such a cute girl, I'd be lesbian with her anytime. And I kind of would like to do a crossplay group or something, it would be awesome, right? at least let's see what could be done. Thanks for saying I could pull it off :) that's really nice from all of you. I really will just fix my eyebrows then. Yay! but still, it would be nice if we were able to group... :dance:

Chino-San
04-13-2004, 12:14 PM
lol, Chino makes such a cute girl, I'd be lesbian with her anytime. And I kind of would like to do a crossplay group or something, it would be awesome, right? at least let's see what could be done. Thanks for saying I could pull it off :) that's really nice from all of you. I really will just fix my eyebrows then. Yay! but still, it would be nice if we were able to group... :dance:

AWH! *hugs* I'd be honored to cosplay with you as lesbians! hehe! ^_~

Kirin-Riki
04-13-2004, 02:27 PM
Firewingpegasus, (not meant to be offensive) but you look like a girl without any makeup, and with your eyebrows like that you would pass greatly :)
*wishes he looked like firewingpegasus*

EDIT: i have some pictures up in my gallery (not cosplay tho.)

snowqueenie
04-14-2004, 02:00 PM
how would it be offensive if hes trying to look like a girl to begin with? its should be more like a compliment.

Kirin-Riki
04-14-2004, 06:08 PM
Silly Kirin-riki

firewingpegasus
04-14-2004, 06:37 PM
lol, it is a compliment. Thanks :)

Kirin-Riki
04-14-2004, 07:10 PM
Aikes... is there any hope for me tho?

big bushy eyebrows, blah blah blah...

just look in photo gallery. just wanted to know if there were any tips that might help THIS barrel of stud (cough)

firewingpegasus
04-14-2004, 08:22 PM
whoa, i hadn't really seen your pics, I just knew they were there but hadn't seen them up close... actually I think you have a lot of resemblance to a girl in the "relax" one :) all you would need to do is fix the same things i was told to do, lol. and you even know how your eyebrows look, so... there you go ;) I think you'd be good.
Hey, by the way, how do you post pics on your gallery? i never found ot, lol.

Kirin-Riki
04-15-2004, 04:16 PM
u go to the member galleries and somewhere in the upper right portion of the page is something that says post ur own pic or something like that...

marsman57
04-15-2004, 06:27 PM
(snip away)

Kokuu
04-15-2004, 09:42 PM
marsman57- I think if you thinned out your eyebrows and wore makeup that you could pull off a convincing girl. >.<

Gimpy
04-16-2004, 03:35 AM
I'm just wondering, how do you guys pull off a really clean shave?

I've been using an electric shaver for the past like, 2 or 3 years and it doesn't give quite as clean a shave as a razer can. The thing is, there's been a few occasions where I've tried using a good old fashioned razer blade... and yikes, its really hard to make it look smooth and hairless... not to mention avoiding bloody screw ups, literally! I've always got that looming shadow of facial hair :(

Would it help if I regularily shaved with a razer? How about doing it during or right after a shower when my skin is the softest?

Any other tricks or hints that would help?

Thanks.

[EDIT] Whoa, I just noticed a HUGE thread regarding this very issue... um... thank you me!!

Chino-San
04-16-2004, 01:32 PM
Do you remember that you must shave from bottum to top? And not from right to left?

Sixshot
04-16-2004, 02:46 PM
Well Chino allready said it but yeah, bottom up works better than any other direction. I also tend to shave sans shaving cream or anything but water, the razer gets closer so you have to be more carefull but there is a significant difference in the results, just really watch it if you go that method, I've been shaving like this for the last four years and it works, but man is it risky.

marsman57
04-16-2004, 04:47 PM
(snip away)

Kirin-Riki
04-20-2004, 12:12 AM
i need some new shaving cream. any suggestions?

EDIT: and sixshot, is there a picture of you somewhere perhaps?

Chino-San
04-20-2004, 10:43 PM
i need some new shaving cream. any suggestions?

EDIT: and sixshot, is there a picture of you somewhere perhaps?

Gillete or whatever its called is what I use. But its all relatively the same in my opion =-\

Sixshot
04-20-2004, 11:18 PM
i need some new shaving cream. any suggestions?

EDIT: and sixshot, is there a picture of you somewhere perhaps?

At the moment no, however a friend of mine is busy putting one up somewhere somesuch place, lord only knows where but she says she plans to have the picture up in a week or so. I'm on another BBS and pics of me in various outfits have practically become like trading cards there :thumbsup:

Curtis
04-26-2004, 10:17 AM
well i might as well post my pic

http://www.negativeplane.com/curtis_pic.jpg

does mine look like a girls without the beard just think of me with out it

Chino-San
04-26-2004, 04:31 PM
I dunno bout that. It's very hard to picture you looking like a female You look too much like Brad Pitt in "FIght Club"

Curtis
04-26-2004, 04:51 PM
I dunno bout that. It's very hard to picture you looking like a female You look too much like Brad Pitt in "FIght Club"
well then that odd cause here is a pic which i had done of me as a girl

http://www.negativeplane.com/DSC01344.JPG

Gothic_Catboy
04-26-2004, 05:02 PM
There's a shaving cream called Aveeno that can slow the growth of beard hair with some natural ingredients... I've been using it for about a few weeks and I've noticed that the hair isn't growing back as fast as it did... so by shaving normally, you can retain that smooth look for many hours.

Sixshot
04-26-2004, 05:03 PM
I have to agree with Chino, it's a bit difficult to imagine it and with that much facial hair it makes it fairly difficult to try and imagine you without it. My advice, don't try to judge off of that art, art is highly subjective, a talented artist could make Sean Connery (in his current state) look like a beautifull woman if they wanted. I don't mean any offense by that statement but you should never judge based on an artist's rendition.

Curtis
04-26-2004, 05:11 PM
I have to agree with Chino, it's a bit difficult to imagine it and with that much facial hair it makes it fairly difficult to try and imagine you without it. My advice, don't try to judge off of that art, art is highly subjective, a talented artist could make Sean Connery (in his current state) look like a beautifull woman if they wanted. I don't mean any offense by that statement but you should never judge based on an artist's rendition.
true thanks i remember that

Esa
04-26-2004, 05:42 PM
(about the shaving thing...)
go without shaving for a couple of days, and use a (preferrably high quality) razor for a close shave. I'm not entirely sure of the physics, but you get a much smoother skin if you let your facial hair to grow a bit.

Kirin-Riki
04-26-2004, 08:13 PM
Hmm for some reason i think cosplay was closed down for at least 3 minutes...

well anyways, not shaving for a few days helps the skin to prime itself and wind down so it grows slower.

Chino-San
04-27-2004, 12:24 AM
I have to agree with Chino, it's a bit difficult to imagine it and with that much facial hair it makes it fairly difficult to try and imagine you without it. My advice, don't try to judge off of that art, art is highly subjective, a talented artist could make Sean Connery (in his current state) look like a beautifull woman if they wanted. I don't mean any offense by that statement but you should never judge based on an artist's rendition.

That's soo true what Sixshot just said. Artist can make anyone look beautiful. Only way for you to find out is to try crossdressing or playing for yourself. We're here to help you just keep that in mind Curtis ^_~. Please don't take any of our comments to an offence.

Kirin-Riki
05-04-2004, 01:50 PM
i dont have any makeup, any ideas on which brands?

Chino-San
05-04-2004, 01:56 PM
Hmm I usually use for the lips Clinique and for blush Cover girl

Lostboy
05-04-2004, 05:57 PM
That's soo true what Sixshot just said. Artist can make anyone look beautiful.
Oh my gosh, absolutely. And here's proof. Check out the trailer for this movie. I have NO idea how they did it, but they made the Wayans brothers look eerily female. And white. There's GOT to be a foam latex mask involved here. I seriously hope that when the DVD of this movie comes out, they will include a bonus featurette on how they made them look so much like girls.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/white_chicks/

oOX_Jun_XOo
05-04-2004, 06:46 PM
Dot dot dot..I saw the movie poster for that and was like...if they can do THAT...than I can do waaay better hahahahaha....sorry. :thumbsup:

Kirin-Riki
05-07-2004, 11:07 PM
lol, that one's on my "to see list"

Azzuri
05-24-2004, 04:59 AM
My town needs one of those! I have to read all this stuff on my own and hope that i can work it out from just what's on the web lol.