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allyunion
08-20-2004, 03:23 AM
I know there is a Naruto thread for generally any Naruto character, however, I would like to do in depth analysis on specifically Naruto's (the character) costume. I also know there are other "Naruto" threads, but none of them have in depth discussions about the costume design completely.

This is kind of like going over an analysis much like how Alley Cat Scratch has done with Lord of Rings costumes.

I've seen so many variations on Naruto's costume, and the difference in selecting the color of the orange part of the costume -- I can't tell who is more correct. Granted, they are all wonderful costumes, but I've been looking at the Naruto costume, and there are several elements which confuse and are perplexing.

There are some disagreements over the length of the legs and shoulders for the costume, and there's apparently difference as to how it is rolled up. It is my opinion that Naruto's costume is overall ... oversized, and that any one commissioning a Naruto costume must keep that in mind. I'm going to discuss individual portions of the costume, item by item to determine what should be done. Keeping in mind that Naruto's costume is oversized is key element possibly when designing this costume. Also please keep in mind, Naruto's costume is meant to be... well, active wear, to say the least. Running around in a costume may or may not be someone's idea... however, I'd say because Naruto is hyper active number one and the fact that there are so many poses, you might as well save yourself the trouble in designing and using materials that will allow you the most movement and flexibility.

I am going for complete and utter perfection and accuracy here. My deepest apologizes if you are offended by me linking to your costume. I'm no exception either. Please think of it as improvements that you can incorporate in the revision of your costume.

The Jacket

Naruto whirlwind symbol + funny looking duck whistle
One example is this particular item, the thing that goes on the shoulder:
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/4531894171782_1.jpg

The person who crafted this decided that the string should be yellow/orange to more or less match the color of the costume. This is more in line with the following screenshot:
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto1.jpg

However, on a closer examination, in this particular screenshot:
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto9.jpg
We can see the string is white.

Placement of this particular item
I seem to be stuck an impass when it comes to where this thing actually belongs. It seems to me that it stays on the shoulder, however, the funny problem with it is that it moves between the orange and the blue part of the jacket top.

In this picture:
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto1.jpg
It seems that it is on the edge before the orange portion of the jacket.

In this picture:
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto11.jpg
It does not. Completely does not... it seems more in the middle than anything.

More evidence that it seems to be in the middle, when it shouldn't be...
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto15.jpg
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto16.jpg

So... I leave this question to the Naruto fans and experts out there... where does the placement of this thing belong? On the shoulder part of the blue portion of the costume or...?


Neck

Okay, one of the problems that I'm trying to understand is the zipper for the top around the neck. I don't how that thing works out. As I stated before, I believe that Naruto's jacket is intentionally oversized. This could mean one of two things for the neck portion of the costume, as shown here:
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto12.jpg
(and the previous screenshot)


The neck is rolled up several times or can be
The neck is actually only folded once


Note in the picture in naruto12.jpg that the zipper is right underneath the neck.

Some other thing to note about the neck: The neck tends to look tight, but is apparently loose... how is that possible?
In this screenshot, it kind of does.
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto16.jpg

How it manages to stay up might be an Anime related factor -- or starch. (again, note how the zipper is below the neck.)

We can see it very loose in these pictures:
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto1.jpg
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto2.jpg

One thing is certain, the neck is not some kind of fluffy thing.
Sana-chan has the right idea here:
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=187049

Gomen hichan, but I don't think what you did is right...
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=188132

Division of the jacket between the orange and the blue portions of the costume
Where would you say the division starts? 2 inches down? 20% is blue on top, 80% on the bottom?

Blue/Orange Line...
The blue portion should be one straight line all round... I think... I think this person had very much the right idea: http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=188426

One thing confuses me is this particular screenshot:
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto14.jpg

It shows the line to be curved, but then again that may be since Naruto's arms are raised...

It also appears mysteriously here:
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto3.jpg

Konoha symbol (on the jacket's back)
References:
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto3.jpg
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto5.jpg
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto6.jpg
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto14.jpg

From these pictures, it is very clear that the symbol is slightly above the middle of the back, between orange and blue portion of the costume.

The sleeves
One thing about the sleeves is that it should be rolled up only, apparently, once. But somehow it needs to create the illusion that it's very thick.

http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto1.jpg

Whether or not it is rolled up several times, I can not really determine. However, the position and the length of how it is rolled up is very determined here. I judge that the sleeves are rolled back about 40% between one's crook of their arm to there wrist. It appears from the screenshot that the length of the rollback should be 20% with the end of the roll back at 60%.

Other notes about the Jacket

The zipper in the middle is orange, just like in this photo: http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto8.jpg
The bottom portion of the jacket manages to line a matching color with the pants... although, this should be investigated further.



The pants

Pants are not a big issue, merely that one has to decide how much length of the legs need to be, and how much does the thing need to be rolled up to make it look approprate.

No mistake about it, the pants has four pockets: two on the back, and two that we occasionally see him stick his pockets into.

From this picture, I'd say that there is one inch or so from the shoes.
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto5.jpg

Also, I'd say that the ends of his pants are pretty rolled up very thick.

Not to diss this particular person or her/his costume:
http://www.boston-baden.com/hazel/Pix/2003/ax362x.jpg

The bottom isn't thick enough, and the leg wrap only appears when the leg pouch is present.

Again, only using people's costume for reference purposes only... I'm only trying to design a Naruto costume that's extremely perfect.

Sana-chan has done an excellent job on her Naruto costume.
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=188426
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=182905
However, I think the length of the leg is a bit high.

In consideration, the length of the leg for my costume is short:
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=188883


Back pouch

I'm wondering... how does that back pouch stay on? Is it part of the pants, like attached and sowed in, or does the back pouch connect to some kind of belt which is worn by Naruto, but we don't see the belt at all?

Or does Naruto have two sets of pants? One with the back pouch, one with out. I would think this is a belt more than anything, so that it can be transferred from ninja to ninja...

I need to get screenshots when he was training with Ebisu, the private tutor guy. I think that might explain a few things... or might not at all.

This is a picture without the pouch...
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto6.jpg


Leg pouch

Make no mistake about it, it is apparent on every Naruto character, that the leg pouch seems to be bandaged or something with a white portion first, then the black portion in the middle. Additionally, one should take careful note that the pouch is supported in the middle, as opposed to the top of the pouch -- apparently they figured out and made it more sense to do it this way.


The hair

http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=188883
As you can clearly see from my photo of my cosplay of Naruto... the hair clearly needs to be clumped together more. Naruto's hair is profoundly unique... in that it is very very difficult to determine any lines in his hair or how his overall hair looks like.

allyunion
08-20-2004, 03:24 AM
Color selection!

This is likely the most difficult part of the costume.

In this picture, it's a darker orange:
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto17.jpg

In this picture, it is not:
http://acmserver.cs.ucr.edu/~jlee/naruto/naruto1.jpg

Both are correct, but which is more accurate? What orange should one select? A bright one or a kind of not so bright, but not completely dark orange...?

[sorry for double post... but my post was too long, so I had to post again]

Whatever you do... please try avoiding to quote my entire post... Thanks!

janmurphy
08-20-2004, 04:13 AM
My only take right now id to keep in mind that sometimes the mangaka is still perfecting the character designs while at the same time turning out chapters. So go with later pictures. I also think character designs take priority on the accuracy scale since the mangaka is making them specifically to show what all the parts of a character should be.
For example both the referance pictures i have for Naruto (theyre on the site) show the shoulder piece to be completly on the blue, but theres ALOT of pics where it isnt. I would go with on the blue.
If you want to be accurate in the minds of most fans than go with whats shown most in screencaps I guess. They can get sloppy though, you know, maybe thats why it changes.

allyunion
08-20-2004, 05:35 AM
You know, it might vary with a person's size... come to think about it. On my costume, the commissioner put it on top of my shoulder when it well should have been on the side of my shoulder.

Lyte
08-20-2004, 03:03 PM
well as for the blue part being a straight line, in the pictures where it seems curved its just because he has his arms or shoulders up. when hes in a relexed pose it would be a straight line.
allyunion your naruto costume is really top notch... good job

allyunion
08-21-2004, 12:16 AM
Forward all comments on the commission of my costume to Barbara Staples of www.limebarb.com - she is the one who made my costume... althought, I have several complaints about it that aren't very visible unless you look it at up close.

Eleryth
08-23-2004, 07:47 PM
I can answer the question about the butt-pouch - he has only "one pair" of pants (perhaps really many outfits, exactly the same). The butt-pouch somehow attaches to it - clips on, is my guess, into the pocket or onto a belt (which I have never seen, since his jacket hangs down too far). I "saw" him attach it in the movie. Kakashi hands it to him, and while he's running, he just... puts it on.

As for the blue, based on the images I've seen and the eps, I think it's not as far down as it seems. It doesn't reach the underarm, so it's not that far down the shoulder. It's probably about halfway down the sleeve where it's sewn in to the armhole (if that makes any sense). And you're right, the position of the swirly arm thing keeps moving. Perhaps just placing it in the right spot for you is the best idea. I personally like it half and half, but that's just me.

Could you just roll your hems up a bit more (leg and arms)? The arm-cuff doesn't look large enough. The leg one looks like a good size, but it's not high enough. And on you, the jacket fits you well - too well. I think it needs to be a bit bigger (which is impossible to fix now, unless you get a new one made).

allyunion
08-26-2004, 08:03 AM
I can answer the question about the butt-pouch - he has only "one pair" of pants (perhaps really many outfits, exactly the same). The butt-pouch somehow attaches to it - clips on, is my guess, into the pocket or onto a belt (which I have never seen, since his jacket hangs down too far). I "saw" him attach it in the movie. Kakashi hands it to him, and while he's running, he just... puts it on.

As for the blue, based on the images I've seen and the eps, I think it's not as far down as it seems. It doesn't reach the underarm, so it's not that far down the shoulder. It's probably about halfway down the sleeve where it's sewn in to the armhole (if that makes any sense). And you're right, the position of the swirly arm thing keeps moving. Perhaps just placing it in the right spot for you is the best idea. I personally like it half and half, but that's just me.

Could you just roll your hems up a bit more (leg and arms)? The arm-cuff doesn't look large enough. The leg one looks like a good size, but it's not high enough. And on you, the jacket fits you well - too well. I think it needs to be a bit bigger (which is impossible to fix now, unless you get a new one made).

The arms are at the right length, based on the screenshots, however I am going to ask the commissioner to remake the costume so that it would look thicker at that position. Like I said, it is likely I'm going to ask the commissioner that she needs to have the whole costume redone - more likely she needs to remake the whole thing. It's ashame really, I wanted to wear this for Halloween. I doubt she'll be able to correct the whole thing in time. I need to take the costume and take a bunch of pictures with it, so I can show her what's wrong with it. I've been meaning to for quite some time... ^^;;;

NarutoNinjaGirl
08-30-2004, 09:10 PM
Naruto whirlwind symbol + funny looking duck whistle

Well,in some illastrations it moves to the middle of blue border or just on the blue,but if you watch the anime like you don't have a life(like me because i'm behind)the blue border takes up the whole shoulder and the Naruto whirlwind symbol is on the blue part of the shoulder,but as you said it IS on the side of the shoulder NOT the top.

kerochan
08-30-2004, 10:00 PM
What did you do to style the wig and what kind of wig should one use to if they don't have his hairstyle at all? I want to a Naruto cosplay one day but not the "normal wear Naruto" but the Kabuki style make up that he wears for his picture for the ninja file or the second naruto episode...(what kind of make up would be best for that?)
This thread is definelty helpful! ^_^

janmurphy
08-31-2004, 05:05 AM
O_O wow, to redo the whole thing? Are you going to pay them again cause I think it looks very well done. Anime defys physics sometimes you know, you can't expect them to as well. Alterations I can imagine asking for, but the whole thing?? wow.

allyunion
09-13-2004, 06:25 PM
jan: It's too small. It's a really, really tight fit.
kero: Any wig will do, just need to twist the ends to make it spiky. Have several fans help you out. Mine didn't come out too great, I still need to play with the wig.